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[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
Because even though DA and ME games are produced by different teams, they do take hints and ideas from eachother. After the amazing success that was DAO, the ME2 team could've decided to use the same character interaction and romance plot that DAO had. They chose not to. Then DA2 should've used the same system that DAO used (Party camp, ability to talk to your party members everywhere etc), instead that game too used the ME system. To me this seems BioWare actually wants to use the ME system rather than the DAO system... Too bad I'd say:mellow:

Call me crazy but I prefer the ME system to DA's. On my later playthroughs in DA I always wind up exhausting all the dialog far before the game is finnished. Making the game more dull than it should.

I prefer the DAO system because it gives more freedom and feels much more natural than ME's artificial system. With ME you can only engage in conversation once then you need to wait before they'll tell you anything else. In DAO, your relationship (either friendly or romantic) proceeds as quickly as you want, I prefer a system like this. Though I agree it's hard to keep the game interesting sometimes. Especially on your first playthrough you might ask about several dialogue options early in the game, leaving no dialogue left for later, ME's system regulates this a little better.

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Modifié par Robhuzz, 27 octobre 2011 - 08:24 .

[Pariah Culexus]

Robhuzz wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
Because even though DA and ME games are produced by different teams, they do take hints and ideas from eachother. After the amazing success that was DAO, the ME2 team could've decided to use the same character interaction and romance plot that DAO had. They chose not to. Then DA2 should've used the same system that DAO used (Party camp, ability to talk to your party members everywhere etc), instead that game too used the ME system. To me this seems BioWare actually wants to use the ME system rather than the DAO system... Too bad I'd say:mellow:

Call me crazy but I prefer the ME system to DA's. On my later playthroughs in DA I always wind up exhausting all the dialog far before the game is finnished. Making the game more dull than it should.

I prefer the DAO system because it gives more freedom and feels much more natural than ME's artificial system. With ME you can only engage in conversation once then you need to wait before they'll tell you anything else. In DAO, your relationship (either friendly or romantic) proceeds as quickly as you want, I prefer a system like this. Though I agree it's hard to keep the game interesting sometimes. Especially on your first playthrough you might ask about several dialogue options early in the game, leaving no dialogue left for later, ME's system regulates this a little better.

I think DAO worked better as well.
The banter was also much better in the Dragon Age games, a think from those that I missed from those were that you could get to see how characters reacted to each other and who liked/disliked who, a thing that I felt was really lacking in the ME games.
But they promised that the banter would be improved to the standards of LotSB (or however they put it) so one could hope that it held true for the companion talk (I think I remember one of the devs saying that there was recorded nearly twice the amount of line for ME3 that there was for ME1, though I could be wrong).
Well, likely or not I will continue hoping

[alex90c]

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
Because even though DA and ME games are produced by different teams, they do take hints and ideas from eachother. After the amazing success that was DAO, the ME2 team could've decided to use the same character interaction and romance plot that DAO had. They chose not to. Then DA2 should've used the same system that DAO used (Party camp, ability to talk to your party members everywhere etc), instead that game too used the ME system. To me this seems BioWare actually wants to use the ME system rather than the DAO system... Too bad I'd say:mellow:

Call me crazy but I prefer the ME system to DA's. On my later playthroughs in DA I always wind up exhausting all the dialog far before the game is finnished. Making the game more dull than it should.

The argument Bioware makes is that they do stuff the way they do in ME and DA2 to pace the companions' conversations. The way I see it though, if you're able to control yourself in DA:O you can use the dialogue throughout the game gradually (rather than bang, five discussion topics in one sitting) which will mean you won't get bored quickly and the characters will progress at a more natural pace rather than "hey leliana" *10 gifts* "warden I love you :wub::wub:".

I found myself able to pace the conversations in DA:O quite well, but tbh considering i'm a huge liara fanboy i'd probably exhaust those dialogues quite quickly if it was done DA:O style

[Robhuzz]

alex90c wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
Because even though DA and ME games are produced by different teams, they do take hints and ideas from eachother. After the amazing success that was DAO, the ME2 team could've decided to use the same character interaction and romance plot that DAO had. They chose not to. Then DA2 should've used the same system that DAO used (Party camp, ability to talk to your party members everywhere etc), instead that game too used the ME system. To me this seems BioWare actually wants to use the ME system rather than the DAO system... Too bad I'd say:mellow:

Call me crazy but I prefer the ME system to DA's. On my later playthroughs in DA I always wind up exhausting all the dialog far before the game is finnished. Making the game more dull than it should.

The argument Bioware makes is that they do stuff the way they do in ME and DA2 to pace the companions' conversations. The way I see it though, if you're able to control yourself in DA:O you can use the dialogue throughout the game gradually (rather than bang, five discussion topics in one sitting) which will mean you won't get bored quickly and the characters will progress at a more natural pace rather than "hey leliana" *10 gifts* "warden I love you :wub::wub:".

I found myself able to pace the conversations in DA:O quite well, but tbh considering i'm a huge liara fanboy i'd probably exhaust those dialogues quite quickly if it was done DA:O style

I usually just give Leliana a chantry amulet then talk to her in camp about her vision and her time in the chantry, trying to get her approval away from neutral asap so we don't get any conversations like:
Leliana: Yes?!
Warden: I'd like to talk.
Leliana: Well. Here I am.
Sounds so uncaring and hostile for someone so eager to come along don't you think?

Anyway, I digress. Maybe DAO style conversations would be a bad thing for ME3. I'd probably also exhaust every conversation option the first time I talk to Liara. Though I'm still in favor of an option to kiss Liara in private at any time. Loved that option in DAO so the thing between Warden and Leliana actually felt like a romance rather than a fling. We NEED something like this for our Shepard/Liara romance in ME3. Make it happen BioWare! 

[ladyvader]

I do hope they do something special for those of us that remained faithful to Liara. Dang it, we deserve it. I would love for Liara to be in the Captain's Quarters of the Normandy. So when Shepard enters the elevator to pick where to go, level 1 doesn't say none.

[ratzerman]

ladyvader wrote...

I do hope they do something special for those of us that remained faithful to Liara. Dang it, we deserve it. I would love for Liara to be in the Captain's Quarters of the Normandy. So when Shepard enters the elevator to pick where to go, level 1 doesn't say none.

YES! I was just going to say this. It would be beyond awesome if Liara could move into Shepard's quarters. It's more than big enough. There's even a second desk that she could use. I assume her default location on the ship will be in the lab, but knowing that her "home" is with Shep would mean a lot to me.

And on the subject of Bioware doing something special for those of us who stayed loyal through all three games...



..."Remain faithful to the same romantic partner throughout the trilogy."

Modifié par ratzerman, 27 octobre 2011 - 10:31 .

[Pariah Culexus]

ratzerman wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

I do hope they do something special for those of us that remained faithful to Liara. Dang it, we deserve it. I would love for Liara to be in the Captain's Quarters of the Normandy. So when Shepard enters the elevator to pick where to go, level 1 doesn't say none.

YES! I was just going to say this. It would be beyond awesome if Liara could move into Shepard's quarters. It's more than big enough. There's even a second desk that she could use. I assume her default location on the ship will be in the lab, but knowing that her "home" is with Shep would mean a lot to me.

And on the subject of Bioware doing something special for those of us who stayed loyal through all three games...



..."Remain faithful to the same romantic partner throughout the trilogy."

Is that faked or a ligitimate achievement?
I must admit I haven't followed on whether there was any leakings or news concerning the achievement despite the  ME games (along with the DA ones) are the only games whether I hunt for achievements.

[ratzerman]

Nah, I made it in one of those achievement generators. But I'm hoping they do something like that to reward us.

[ladyvader]

Pariah Culexus wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

I do hope they do something special for those of us that remained faithful to Liara. Dang it, we deserve it. I would love for Liara to be in the Captain's Quarters of the Normandy. So when Shepard enters the elevator to pick where to go, level 1 doesn't say none.

YES! I was just going to say this. It would be beyond awesome if Liara could move into Shepard's quarters. It's more than big enough. There's even a second desk that she could use. I assume her default location on the ship will be in the lab, but knowing that her "home" is with Shep would mean a lot to me.

And on the subject of Bioware doing something special for those of us who stayed loyal through all three games...



..."Remain faithful to the same romantic partner throughout the trilogy."

Is that faked or a ligitimate achievement?
I must admit I haven't followed on whether there was any leakings or news concerning the achievement despite the  ME games (along with the DA ones) are the only games whether I hunt for achievements.

Yes to an achievement like that one.

Yes, I do believe that achievement is made up.  I've not seen anything mentioned about achievements.  They might not even that thought all the way through yet.  Who knows.  It's a perfect achievement though.

[TMA LIVE]

ratzerman wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

I do hope they do something special for those of us that remained faithful to Liara. Dang it, we deserve it. I would love for Liara to be in the Captain's Quarters of the Normandy. So when Shepard enters the elevator to pick where to go, level 1 doesn't say none.

YES! I was just going to say this. It would be beyond awesome if Liara could move into Shepard's quarters. It's more than big enough. There's even a second desk that she could use. I assume her default location on the ship will be in the lab, but knowing that her "home" is with Shep would mean a lot to me.

And on the subject of Bioware doing something special for those of us who stayed loyal through all three games...



..."Remain faithful to the same romantic partner throughout the trilogy."

I don't know. They'd have to screw whoever is just playing ME3 for the first time, who don't import. James probably can't get you that achievement I imagine. They'd also have to give an achievement for being loyal to a ME2 character, in order to make it fair.

Anyways, one thing I've just thought of:

You know, the Reapers did one thing right when they made the Mass Relays. If they haven't, then Liara and Shepard never would have met.

[ladyvader]

@TMA

People get screwed over on the achievements all the time. Like when servers for online achievements get shut down.

That achievement has more weight to it if it spans all three games instead the last two.

[Korkki]

ladyvader wrote...

@TMA

People get screwed over on the achievements all the time. Like when servers for online achievements get shut down.

That achievement has more weight to it if it spans all three games instead the last two.

It's the same thing in ME2, you can't get the Paramour achievement if you stay faithfull to Liara (or other ME1 LIs), even the LotSB cabin scene doesn't count. Ofc you can always "cheat" a little bit and save, start a romance, have sex, paramour achievement achieved, load to that previous situation before the new romance. Or you can just use a different Shepard ofc

But an achievement like that would be really nice. But I think they should also make achievement for ME2 romances, because that would be a bit unfair otherwise. Or they could make an achievent like "stay loyal through 2 games" and then this "stay loyal through whole trilogy" so those who stay loyal to their ME1 LIs would get both of those achievements but there is still something for ME2 LIs as well. And then this normal Paramour achievent for those who star new romance in ME3.

Modifié par Korkki, 28 octobre 2011 - 08:56 .

[Robhuzz]

Korkki wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

@TMA

People get screwed over on the achievements all the time. Like when servers for online achievements get shut down.

That achievement has more weight to it if it spans all three games instead the last two.

It's the same thing in ME2, you can't get the Paramour achievement if you stay faithfull to Liara (or other ME1 LIs), even the LotSB cabin scene doesn't count. Ofc you can always "cheat" a little bit and save, start a romance, have sex, paramour achievement achieved, load to that previous situation before the new romance. Or you can just use a different Shepard ofc

But an achievement like that would be really nice. But I think they should also make achievement for ME2 romances, because that would be a bit unfair otherwise. Or they could make an achievent like "stay loyal through 2 games" and then this "stay loyal through whole trilogy" so those who stay loyal to their ME1 LIs would get both of those achievements but there is still something for ME2 LIs as well. And then this normal Paramour achievent for those who star new romance in ME3.

That's what I did. Saved just before the collectors abduct the crew. Talk to Miranda, initiate romance. Activate galaxy map, crew gets abducted, go to Miranda, affirm romance, hit omega4 relay, achievement unlocked, reload earlier save, stayed faithful. 

That reminds me I'm screwed in ME3 if I want to get all achievements. I doubt continuing your ME1/ME2 romance with Liara in ME3 will grant you the paramour achievement (there will most likely be one in ME3) so I'd have to cheat on Liara while she's on board to get the achievement. Or worse, I'd have to break up with Liara and then romance someone else. NOOO!!!

Modifié par Robhuzz, 28 octobre 2011 - 09:33 .

[alex90c]

Robhuzz wrote...

Korkki wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

@TMA

People get screwed over on the achievements all the time. Like when servers for online achievements get shut down.

That achievement has more weight to it if it spans all three games instead the last two.

It's the same thing in ME2, you can't get the Paramour achievement if you stay faithfull to Liara (or other ME1 LIs), even the LotSB cabin scene doesn't count. Ofc you can always "cheat" a little bit and save, start a romance, have sex, paramour achievement achieved, load to that previous situation before the new romance. Or you can just use a different Shepard ofc

But an achievement like that would be really nice. But I think they should also make achievement for ME2 romances, because that would be a bit unfair otherwise. Or they could make an achievent like "stay loyal through 2 games" and then this "stay loyal through whole trilogy" so those who stay loyal to their ME1 LIs would get both of those achievements but there is still something for ME2 LIs as well. And then this normal Paramour achievent for those who star new romance in ME3.

That's what I did. Saved just before the collectors abduct the crew. Talk to Miranda, initiate romance. Activate galaxy map, crew gets abducted, go to Miranda, affirm romance, hit omega4 relay, achievement unlocked, reload earlier save, stayed faithful. 

That reminds me I'm screwed in ME3 if I want to get all achievements. I doubt continuing your ME1/ME2 romance with Liara in ME3 will grant you the paramour achievement (there will most likely be one in ME3) so I'd have to cheat on Liara while she's on board to get the achievement. Or worse, I'd have to break up with Liara and then romance someone else. NOOO!!!

It's just not worth it. Only way to get around this would be to not go for Liara at all in ME1 and romance another character, as painful as that sounds.

[Korkki]

Robhuzz wrote...

That's what I did. Saved just before the collectors abduct the crew. Talk to Miranda, initiate romance. Activate galaxy map, crew gets abducted, go to Miranda, affirm romance, hit omega4 relay, achievement unlocked, reload earlier save, stayed faithful. 

That reminds me I'm screwed in ME3 if I want to get all achievements. I doubt continuing your ME1/ME2 romance with Liara in ME3 will grant you the paramour achievement (there will most likely be one in ME3) so I'd have to cheat on Liara while she's on board to get the achievement. Or worse, I'd have to break up with Liara and then romance someone else. NOOO!!!

Why you don't just have one play through with this default ME3 Shep? I know the "decisions" default Shep has made in ME1 sucks and those ME2 decisions will propably suck too, but in that way you can have the Paramour achievement without cheating/breaking up with Liara. Or you could start new ME1 or 2 play through and not romance Liara. I know it's really hard not to romance her but if you want that Paramour achievement in ME3, the choice is yours.

Edit: Darn, got ninja'ed at least partly.

Modifié par Korkki, 28 octobre 2011 - 10:00 .

[Robhuzz]

BioWare will be adding another genesis like thing for ME3 obviously. What with all the 'ME3 is the best place to start' stuff they keep repeating. It'd be really bad if the few new players (eg people who have never played ME1 or 2) got stuck with the default decisions. I think I might create a new Shepard in ME3 eventually. It's not like I care that much about achievements. Usually I don't even look at the achievements until I've finished the game a few times. Not romancing Liara in ME1 is simply no option. Obviously starting a new Shepard in ME3 without a comic to choose past decisions is not going to end well so I don't think I'll be doing that.

But thanks for the suggestions guys.

[phantomrachie24]

This is the reason why I did a play through of both ME 1 & 2 without romancing anyone. My Femsheps do not cheat, my one Male Shep does but that is only to get the Shep, Ashley and Miranda Triangle

Edit: corrected spelling error

Modifié par phantomrachie24, 28 octobre 2011 - 10:51 .

[ladyvader]

Robhuzz wrote...

That reminds me I'm screwed in ME3 if I want to get all achievements. I doubt continuing your ME1/ME2 romance with Liara in ME3 will grant you the paramour achievement (there will most likely be one in ME3) so I'd have to cheat on Liara while she's on board to get the achievement. Or worse, I'd have to break up with Liara and then romance someone else. NOOO!!!

That might be the reason I need to use the default femShep in ME3.  I'm not switching romances with any of my Shepards at thist time.  Well, angry single femShep is still hoping to romance Liara.  Maybe I can get that type of achievement with either a brand new Shepard or my single femShep.

[Robhuzz]

ladyvader wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

That reminds me I'm screwed in ME3 if I want to get all achievements. I doubt continuing your ME1/ME2 romance with Liara in ME3 will grant you the paramour achievement (there will most likely be one in ME3) so I'd have to cheat on Liara while she's on board to get the achievement. Or worse, I'd have to break up with Liara and then romance someone else. NOOO!!!

That might be the reason I need to use the default femShep in ME3.  I'm not switching romances with any of my Shepards at thist time.  Well, angry single femShep is still hoping to romance Liara.  Maybe I can get that type of achievement with either a brand new Shepard or my single femShep.

That's a pretty good idea. IF Liara is romanceable in ME3 if you haven't romanced her before, this would certainly be a good way to get the paramour achievement AND see what kind of dialogue we'll be getting in this situation.

[ladyvader]

Robhuzz wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

That reminds me I'm screwed in ME3 if I want to get all achievements. I doubt continuing your ME1/ME2 romance with Liara in ME3 will grant you the paramour achievement (there will most likely be one in ME3) so I'd have to cheat on Liara while she's on board to get the achievement. Or worse, I'd have to break up with Liara and then romance someone else. NOOO!!!

That might be the reason I need to use the default femShep in ME3.  I'm not switching romances with any of my Shepards at thist time.  Well, angry single femShep is still hoping to romance Liara.  Maybe I can get that type of achievement with either a brand new Shepard or my single femShep.

That's a pretty good idea. IF Liara is romanceable in ME3 if you haven't romanced her before, this would certainly be a good way to get the paramour achievement AND see what kind of dialogue we'll be getting in this situation.

If you want, I can let you know how that turns out.  It won't be my first playthrough.  Might be the second.  That Shepard wiped out all the Cerberus crew on the Normandy.  So, it will be very different from my canon femShep game.

It will be my luck, no Liara for angry femShep. 

[PMC65]

Now as one of the fans that have no marriage & blue babies desire this did make me laugh and is another achievement unlocked they could add ...   



Mass Effect: Liara T'Soni by =ilikapie on deviantART

... But it is one that I wouldn't get in my game.

[kumquats]

^ *snicker*
I don't care about the baby thing, as long as it isn't during the game! Anyone remembers the Aerie romance in BG2:TOB?
She is a romanceable character, who gets pregnant and gives birth during the expansion. ARGH

[ladyvader]

kumquats wrote...

^ *snicker*
I don't care about the baby thing, as long as it isn't during the game! Anyone remembers the Aerie romance in BG2:TOB?
She is a romanceable character, who gets pregnant and gives birth during the expansion. ARGH

I wouldn't want Liara or any of the other female LI to get pregnant during the game.  That would be weird.  Sorry, (LI Name), you have to stay on the Normandy because of the little one you're carrying. 

Ah, no.  Put that in the epilogue and I'm all good. 

[hotdogbsg]

PMC65 wrote...

Now as one of the fans that have no marriage & blue babies desire this did make me laugh and is another achievement unlocked they could add ...   



Mass Effect: Liara T'Soni by =ilikapie on deviantART

... But it is one that I wouldn't get in my game.

Renegade Action: Push Down The Stairs

[Korkki]

ladyvader wrote...

I wouldn't want Liara or any of the other female LI to get pregnant during the game.  That would be weird.  Sorry, (LI Name), you have to stay on the Normandy because of the little one you're carrying. 

Ah, no.  Put that in the epilogue and I'm all good. 

^This. I definitely want those blue children but only in the epilogue, not during the game.

hotdogbsg wrote...

Renegade Action: Push Down The Stairs

How could anyone do that, that would be  unforgivable <_<

Modifié par Korkki, 28 octobre 2011 - 04:27 .