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[Pariah Culexus]

ladyvader wrote...

diamondedge wrote...

@Robhuzz: Hi5 for Witcher fans. I'm one of the people who think that W2 is probably the most epic RPG out there.

I wish Bioware had balls like CDP does. I was deciding for 20 minutes weather to save Triss or to see Roche and decide the fate of Temeria ... Do you imagine if we were suddenly faced with a choice between Liara and saving Earth, or Citadel?

Bye bye Earth, CItadel.  Just kidding.  That would be heard, but I doubt BW is going to do that.

I would chose Liara, though I doubt that she would like to see bilions dead so that she could live

One of the problems about having to choose between the LI and saving x amount of people (beyond the simple fact that such decisions are stupid in the extreme in my opinion) is that people might be tempted in other playthrough not to romance the characters they really like to not put them in that situation and make sure they survive, and then have to play a game without (for many here at least) one of the biggest incentives.
The same thing applies to scripted LI deaths... bad writing in my opinion as well.

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Modifié par Pariah Culexus, 29 octobre 2011 - 11:47 .

[Robhuzz]

diamondedge wrote...

@Robhuzz: Hi5 for Witcher fans. I'm one of the people who think that W2 is probably the most epic RPG out there.

I wish Bioware had balls like CDP does. I was deciding for 20 minutes weather to save Triss or to see Roche and decide the fate of Temeria ... Do you imagine if we were suddenly faced with a choice between Liara and saving Earth, or Citadel?

Which decision are you talking about exactly? I haven't finished Roche's path just yet, currently nearing the end of act 2. I do know Triss always survives in act 3, even if you choose not to rescue her. Letho will save her himself in that case. Which is kind of a great way to end the game. An antagonist you chase through the entire game and you don't have to kill him in the end. I could even sympathise with him at the end, I let him go on Jorverth's path.

Yeah good old CDP. Sure their content is stuff most western companies wouldn't dare put in their games for fear of negative publicity. CDP pretty much said F! you critics, we'll do what we want, and I applaud them for it. It's one of the companies that'll never be taken over by EA. EA comes rolling through the door and would want the extremely sexual themes removed. CDP would say: Nope, they'll stay in. Don't like it? Leave. Awesome attitude there.

Currently there's only a few games I would definitely buy an expansion from, without hesitation. TW2 is among that list. I also applaud CDP for not having scrutinizing DRM on their games. a 1 time online activation using 1 installer (no other software required) and no more hassle with installing and Free DLC! Honestly even BioWare could learn from these guys. TW2 is definitely GOTY material in my books, despite having a few flaws but then again every game does. I'm anxiously awaiting new TW2 dlc but I'd rather see a true expansion to take off where the main game ended. 

Okay that's enough about TW2 I think. Back to Liara!

Modifié par Robhuzz, 29 octobre 2011 - 11:04 .

[kumquats]

diamondedge wrote...

@Robhuzz: Hi5 for Witcher fans. I'm one of the people who think that W2 is probably the most epic RPG out there.

I wish Bioware had balls like CDP does. I was deciding for 20 minutes weather to save Triss or to see Roche and decide the fate of Temeria ... Do you imagine if we were suddenly faced with a choice between Liara and saving Earth, or Citadel?

So you want a decision where you have to choose between Earth and Liara. And no matter what you decide, Liara survives anyway.
Why do you need balls for something like that?
Maybe it's a tough choice in the first playthrough, if you care about Triss. But Virmire is always a harder choice for me.

Not that I want Virmire 2.0 in ME3. Please don't.

[Korkki]

Pariah Culexus wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

diamondedge wrote...

@Robhuzz: Hi5 for Witcher fans. I'm one of the people who think that W2 is probably the most epic RPG out there.

I wish Bioware had balls like CDP does. I was deciding for 20 minutes weather to save Triss or to see Roche and decide the fate of Temeria ... Do you imagine if we were suddenly faced with a choice between Liara and saving Earth, or Citadel?

Bye bye Earth, CItadel.  Just kidding.  That would be heard, but I doubt BW is going to do that.

I would chose Liara, though I doubt that she would like to see bilions dead so that she could live

One of the problems about having to choose between the LI and saving x amount of people (beyond the simple fact that such decisions are stupid in the extreme in my opinion) is that people might be tempted in other playthrough not to romance the characters they really like to not put them in that situation and make sure they survive, and then have to play a game without (for many here at least) one of the biggest incentives.
The same thing applies to scripted LI deaths... bad writing in my opinion as well.

I'll save Liara anytime too. But please BW no scripted LI deaths and no scripted squadmate deaths either, those would just suck. At least you have to be able to affect who dies if nothing else. Ofc 'cause ME3 is a war story and about making these ultimate sacrifices in order to save the galaxy from the reaper threat, so people are going to get killed, no doubt about that, but please, no LI or squadmate deaths that you can't affect in anyway. I'd just LOL if there would be a situation like save Liara and let Earth get destroyed or save Earth and 15 billion people and let Liara get killed in ME3. That is just cheap way of creating "drama" which wouldn't even be drama in this case, it would be just lame.

[alex90c]

You haven't got an attachment to these 15 billion people so Bioware know full well most people would save their LIs.There's got to be another way to create drama.

[Robhuzz]

Creating drama without upsetting the fans is hard. Most people do not want scripted squadmember deaths, and I agree with them, it's lame. Many people also do not want a virmire like choice, where a squadmember WILL get killed, but Shepard can influence which one. Killing off random npc's doesn't really add drama because with a war like this, there will be casualties and lots of them. Survival matters here.

How do you create drama then? I guess the only way to create drama is to somehow kill a squadmember or popular npc (Andersson, Joker among others). Even that will be met with fierce resistance.

The only way I can think of is: Make sure you can fail missions. Either by not finishing it in a certain timespan (not recommended, I hate rushing through levels) or by having multiple ways to do a mission but a few will end in disaster. Failing certain missions will lead to the squad having to bail out with a few people potentially getting killed. This will make the game more exiting, because failing a mission might lead to someone's death, and still means you can keep most of your squad alive and go for a 'happy' ending (though on your first playthrough you might have to save and reload a lot).

[Pariah Culexus]

Korkki wrote...

Pariah Culexus wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

diamondedge wrote...

@Robhuzz: Hi5 for Witcher fans. I'm one of the people who think that W2 is probably the most epic RPG out there.

I wish Bioware had balls like CDP does. I was deciding for 20 minutes weather to save Triss or to see Roche and decide the fate of Temeria ... Do you imagine if we were suddenly faced with a choice between Liara and saving Earth, or Citadel?

Bye bye Earth, CItadel.  Just kidding.  That would be heard, but I doubt BW is going to do that.

I would chose Liara, though I doubt that she would like to see bilions dead so that she could live

One of the problems about having to choose between the LI and saving x amount of people (beyond the simple fact that such decisions are stupid in the extreme in my opinion) is that people might be tempted in other playthrough not to romance the characters they really like to not put them in that situation and make sure they survive, and then have to play a game without (for many here at least) one of the biggest incentives.
The same thing applies to scripted LI deaths... bad writing in my opinion as well.

I'll save Liara anytime too. But please BW no scripted LI deaths and no scripted squadmate deaths either, those would just suck. At least you have to be able to affect who dies if nothing else. Ofc 'cause ME3 is a war story and about making these ultimate sacrifices in order to save the galaxy from the reaper threat, so people are going to get killed, no doubt about that, but please, no LI or squadmate deaths that you can't affect in anyway. I'd just LOL if there would be a situation like save Liara and let Earth get destroyed or save Earth and 15 billion people and let Liara get killed in ME3. That is just cheap way of creating "drama" which wouldn't even be drama in this case, it would be just lame.

If memory serves somone here said that a dev or even the man himself has mentioned that there will be no unavoidable squadmate deaths in the game so that is a relief at least.

[Korkki]

Robhuzz wrote...

The only way I can think of is: Make sure you can fail missions. Either by not finishing it in a certain timespan (not recommended, I hate rushing through levels) or by having multiple ways to do a mission but a few will end in disaster. Failing certain missions will lead to the squad having to bail out with a few people potentially getting killed. This will make the game more exiting, because failing a mission might lead to someone's death, and still means you can keep most of your squad alive and go for a 'happy' ending (though on your first playthrough you might have to save and reload a lot).

This would be good. With this kind of thing that you're able to complete mission in various ways, you're able to get people killed and you propably will get people killed in some point but all the deaths are then due to your own actions. Or you could fail mission only by a little bit, so that no one gets killed but you've still missed/failed something. These small failures could then accumulate so that enough of those small mistakes would lead to some one's death or something like that. There could also be same kind of stuff that was in the end of ME2 when you hit the collector base, when you had to pick specialists and leader for that diversion squad. So if you pick a person who is not suitable for that duty you'd get some one killed, when that wrong guy can't take care of his/her tasks.

[ladyvader]

Robhuzz wrote...

Creating drama without upsetting the fans is hard. Most people do not want scripted squadmember deaths, and I agree with them, it's lame. Many people also do not want a virmire like choice, where a squadmember WILL get killed, but Shepard can influence which one. Killing off random npc's doesn't really add drama because with a war like this, there will be casualties and lots of them. Survival matters here.

How do you create drama then? I guess the only way to create drama is to somehow kill a squadmember or popular npc (Andersson, Joker among others). Even that will be met with fierce resistance.

The only way I can think of is: Make sure you can fail missions. Either by not finishing it in a certain timespan (not recommended, I hate rushing through levels) or by having multiple ways to do a mission but a few will end in disaster. Failing certain missions will lead to the squad having to bail out with a few people potentially getting killed. This will make the game more exiting, because failing a mission might lead to someone's death, and still means you can keep most of your squad alive and go for a 'happy' ending (though on your first playthrough you might have to save and reload a lot).

That is why I have more than one file for my canon femShep.  I know my first run of ME2 I made mistakes.  Sorry, Tali, you got a rocket in the face.  Mordin died on the line.  All where loyal.  I made a bad choice when I picked Samara to lead the 2nd fire team instead of Garrus.  I did invite Kelly up to Shepard's quarters on the play through as well.  I hope that does NOT cause conflict with Liara.  I was going by Liara's picture on the desk and it's still upright like it should be.  I hope the writers are messing with us with their comments about Kelly and inviting her up to the Loft.  I don't consider Kelly a romance at all.

And I have a bad bad feeling, I'm going to be rewriting my fanfics once ME3 is out.  I think some people won't be there at the end.  (ie, Anderson, Hannah Shepard)

[ratzerman]

Awhile back, one of the devs described Kelly's romance as a "freebie." It won't change your relationship status with a prior romance. But I don't really believe it. The flag is still in your save file somewhere. There is always the potential of your romance finding out. So as much as it hurts me to rebuff Kelly's advances, my Shepard's heart belongs to Liara.

As far as scripted squadmate deaths are concerned.... PLEASE NO. But I'm pretty sure it's going to happen. There have been so many clues dropped. Devs, writers, voice actors, there's a lot of evidence to suggest we're going to be losing squaddies. 

Modifié par ratzerman, 29 octobre 2011 - 01:54 .

[Robhuzz]

We're definitely going to lose squaddies. If not, then all the 'It's a big bad war out there. Catastrophe blah blah" talk was meaningless pr talk. I don't mind if I lose a few squadmembers as long as there are ways to keep certain ones alive. I'd really hate to lose Liara, or Garrus or Tali to name a few. At the end of the day however, if ME3 is going to be as emotional as they want us to believe, I'll be happy if Liara and Shepard are both alive and well once it's all over. Any squadmember still alive by then will be seen as a bonus.

In that case it'll be hard to start a 2nd playthrough and not look at the wikia for tips on how to keep everyone (or as many as possible) alive. I want to find that out for myself.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 29 octobre 2011 - 02:06 .

[ratzerman]

Robhuzz wrote...
At the end of the day however, if ME3 is going to be as emotional as they want us to believe, I'll be happy if Liara and Shepard are both alive and well once it's all over. Any squadmember still alive by then will be seen as a bonus.

I feel the same way, but it will still hurt to lose other members of the squad. It's not fair for the devs to choose one squadmember over another. At the very least, they should make it possible to save Shepard's love interest, no matter what. 

[ladyvader]

ratzerman wrote...

Awhile back, one of the devs described Kelly's romance as a "freebie." It won't change your relationship status with a prior romance. But I don't really believe it. The flag is still in your save file somewhere. There is always the potential of your romance finding out. So as much as it hurts me to rebuff Kelly's advances, my Shepard's heart belongs to Liara.

As far as scripted squadmate deaths are concerned.... PLEASE NO. But I'm pretty sure it's going to happen. There have been so many clues dropped. Devs, writers, voice actors, there's a lot of evidence to suggest we're going to be losing squaddies. 

Jen Hale did mention last weekend at the EXPCon I went to that one scene with Garrus got to her and she had a hard time with the scene.  It is an end game scene.  So, who knows.  That is all she said.  No details.  It does seem that Hale has dropped some hints more than once.  An interview she did a couple of months ago, she mentioned something about a scene she had to redo concerning the VS.  It was something like do this line like you are running type comment she gave.  

Even the game discription says "Not everyone will survive".  So, I fully expect people to die.  If I can't keep Liara alive, I'm going to cry. 


Even though I don't have Liara as my LI for all my Shepard(s), Liara is my favorite NPC and squaddie, so if she dies, there goes my best biotic.  Sorry, Kaidan, Liara is better than you.

[ladyvader]

Robhuzz wrote...

In that case it'll be hard to start a 2nd playthrough and not look at the wikia for tips on how to keep everyone (or as many as possible) alive. I want to find that out for myself.

If there is a hard cover CE editon of a guide, I'm getting it.  I won't use it right away, but I do want to get it anyway.  I will probably get the guide for Skyrim too.  I need to pre-order that next week.  I'll worry about the ME3 guide next year.  Gawd that sounds so far away, but in reality, it isn't.

[Korkki]

ladyvader wrote...
I'll worry about the ME3 guide next year.  Gawd that sounds so far away, but in reality, it isn't.

Yep, Only 4 months and 1 week left Darnnnnn and I haven't even pre-ordered ME3 CE yet, I have to do that real soon to make sure I'll get it. Luckily there is so little ME3 hype here in Finland that it would be soon enough if I ordered it only 2 weeks before it's being released, and I'd still get the CE. But still better sooner than later right? :happy:

Modifié par Korkki, 29 octobre 2011 - 03:05 .

[ratzerman]

ladyvader wrote...

An interview she did a couple of months ago, she mentioned something about a scene she had to redo concerning the VS.  It was something like do this line like you are running type comment she gave.  

There was an article about her in The New Yorker a few months ago, and it described her screaming "NO!" during a scene involving the VS. Mac Walters told her that the no was supposed to sound "futile." Being the sickeningly pessimistic person I am, I pretty much wrote off the VS as dead right then and there. 

[Robhuzz]

ladyvader wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

In that case it'll be hard to start a 2nd playthrough and not look at the wikia for tips on how to keep everyone (or as many as possible) alive. I want to find that out for myself.

If there is a hard cover CE editon of a guide, I'm getting it.  I won't use it right away, but I do want to get it anyway.  I will probably get the guide for Skyrim too.  I need to pre-order that next week.  I'll worry about the ME3 guide next year.  Gawd that sounds so far away, but in reality, it isn't.

I'll just leave this here:

ME3 walkthroughs (not yet but will be put on there in due time): http://masseffect.wi...ass_Effect_Wiki
Skyrim walkthroughs (ofc also not yet but in due time): http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Skyrim

Yep, Only 4 months and 1 week left  Darnnnnn and I haven't even pre-ordered ME3 CE yet, I have to do that real soon to make sure I'll get it. Luckily there is so little ME3 hype here in Finland that it would be soon enough if I ordered it only 2 weeks before it's being released, and I'd still get the CE. But still better sooner than later right? 

The CE isn't even available yet in Holland. It's for the best though. All this BF3 debacle concerning origin makes me uneasy about the pc version. I'll await BW's final say on Origin and how to install ME3 before I make my descision.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 29 octobre 2011 - 03:18 .

[Korkki]

Robhuzz wrote...

The CE isn't even available yet in Holland. It's for the best though. All this BF3 debacle concerning origin makes me uneasy about the pc version. I'll await BW's final say on Origin and how to install ME3 before I make my descision.

I was a huge BF2 fan "back in the old days" and I've played it tons and tons of hours, so I really waited for BF3, then I tested the beta and I was really, really disappointed, most likely I'm not even getting the game, have to test it at my friend's though before I say the final word...

I'm not that mad about Origin. I used to get all mad about Steam couple years back and I just hated it but then I realized it isn't that bad. You can play your games on any computer as long as you're logged in to you account, you don't even need those DVD discs, you can download the games via Steam once you've redeemed the code.

Origin is pretty much the same, at least it works pretty similarly. I have Medal of Honor and Battlefield Bad Company 2 codes linked with my Origin account and it haven't given me any trouble, not yet anyway... But I understand that not all people like softwares like Steam and Origin, especially when you're forced to install them in order to play the game, and IMO that is the biggest problem, you can't choose if you want to use abilities or "advantages" Steam and Origin gives, like playing without the disc, this cloud thing, gamer profile stuff etc. no matter if you just wanted to play the game and nothing more, you still need those softwares. If you were able to choose that would be cool. But as I said, it's not going to be a problem for me whether ME3 is going to need Origin or not.

[ladyvader]

@Robhuzz, I prefer a book in my lap than dealing with my laptop when playing games. I don't buy as many books as I use to, but when I get a game day of release, there is general not enough info out there for me.

And it's part of a collection. If it is anything like the CE for Fable III, it will contain concept art and what not, Which is nice to have actually. No hard cover guide, no buy though. I didn't need a guide for ME or ME2, but I wouldn't mind having one for ME3.

I understand your distrust of Origin, but that is the only way I could play ME2 on PC. I got the free copy for buying DA2 during the first month of release.

[Robhuzz]

ratzerman wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

An interview she did a couple of months ago, she mentioned something about a scene she had to redo concerning the VS.  It was something like do this line like you are running type comment she gave.  

There was an article about her in The New Yorker a few months ago, and it described her screaming "NO!" during a scene involving the VS. Mac Walters told her that the no was supposed to sound "futile." Being the sickeningly pessimistic person I am, I pretty much wrote off the VS as dead right then and there. 

I got a little worried about that as well. Though don't forget this could be Shep's dialogue in only certain situations. Like if you do the game differently, you could get a different outcome. If the VS does get killed and it's mandatory then it seems BioWare doesn't mind killing off popular squadmembers, in which case I fear for Liara's safety as well.

[ladyvader]

Robhuzz wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

An interview she did a couple of months ago, she mentioned something about a scene she had to redo concerning the VS.  It was something like do this line like you are running type comment she gave.  

There was an article about her in The New Yorker a few months ago, and it described her screaming "NO!" during a scene involving the VS. Mac Walters told her that the no was supposed to sound "futile." Being the sickeningly pessimistic person I am, I pretty much wrote off the VS as dead right then and there. 

I got a little worried about that as well. Though don't forget this could be Shep's dialogue in only certain situations. Like if you do the game differently, you could get a different outcome. If the VS does get killed and it's mandatory then it seems BioWare doesn't mind killing off popular squadmembers, in which case I fear for Liara's safety as well.

If it has to do with something I did or should  have done and someone dies because of it, I'm reloading a save and starting over.  If need be, I'll redo ME1 and ME2 to get the outcome I desire.   Liara can not die in any of my games.  NO!

But I also see the other side of that, the peeps that can't stand Liara and want her out of their game.  People will complain about that too if Liara or anyone else for that matter isn't killable.  I want everyone possible to survive with my canon femShep play through.  Well, fish might die.  

[Blze001]

ladyvader wrote...
  I want everyone possible to survive with my canon femShep play through.  Well, fish might die.  

Mara wants to save everyone, but if it comes down to Ashley or her fish... well, the fish were with her against the collectors and Ashley wasn't. Loyalty pays off. 

BSN MANDATED DISCLAIMER: I love Ashley and that was in no way, shape or form an insult against her. It was a joke, nothing more.

Modifié par Blze001, 29 octobre 2011 - 08:34 .

[ladyvader]

Blze001 wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
  I want everyone possible to survive with my canon femShep play through.  Well, fish might die.  

Mara wants to save everyone, but if it comes down to Ashley or her fish... well, the fish were with her against the collectors and Ashley wasn't. Loyalty pays off. 

BSN MANDATED DISCLAIMER: I love Ashley and that was in no way, shape or form an insult against her. It was a joke, nothing more.

Ash got left on Virmire by my canon femShep.  She's not sure about Kaidan right now.  Shepard hopes she is still friends with Kaidan, but her main concern if Liara's safety.  If I had to choose between Liara and Kaidan.  

Well, nice knowing ya, Kaidan.

[Pockles]

alex90c wrote...
You haven't got an attachment to these 15 billion people so Bioware know full well most people would save their LIs.

Only the people that can't do math or lack a moral compass.

[alex90c]

Pockles wrote...

alex90c wrote...
You haven't got an attachment to these 15 billion people so Bioware know full well most people would save their LIs.

Only the people that can't do math or lack a moral compass.

I'd save the LI.

See, my emotion gets in the way of me making the logical decision, and you shouldn't be surprised that I and a few other people would do this.