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[WoolyJoe]

kumquats wrote...

I always feel alone, because I love all my Squadmates.

Love all the people

I even let Fist go, that loveable, two-timing, back-stabbing scamp

[IndigoWolfe]

I must have a unique and special talent at getting the very last post on a page.

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[JaylaClark]

I play a Female Shepard and Liara is my romance. I TOO support Liara!

[Yuqi]

 I played ME2 first, so I kind of don't have any particular attachment to Ash or Kaidan.  I feel kind of left out of the hate 

Anyway, does anyone else think Liara might have a tiny bit of an obsession with Shepard. I sometimes get that feeling, its a little weird.

I feel so odd,being someone who has only played ME2..

[Pinkflu]

Yuqi wrote...

 I played ME2 first, so I kind of don't have any particular attachment to Ash or Kaidan.  I feel kind of left out of the hate 

Anyway, does anyone else think Liara might have a tiny bit of an obsession with Shepard. I sometimes get that feeling, its a little weird.

I feel so odd,being someone who has only played ME2..

I never thought Liara was anything like obsessed, although I know others (Liara-haters, mostly) think as much.

When Liara looks into Shep's background in ME1, it was just her initial attraction. And like how Tali puts it in the second game, what young woman wouldn't be attracted to a dashing soldier who rescues her and then takes her off on space adventures?

[kumquats]

Yuqi wrote...

Anyway, does anyone else think Liara might have a tiny bit of an obsession with Shepard. I sometimes get that feeling, its a little weird.

But not only about Shepard, there are the Protheans and her revenge.
I think it's one of her character traits and why she is so successful as an information broker.

[pf17456]

Yuqi wrote...

 I played ME2 first, so I kind of don't have any particular attachment to Ash or Kaidan.  I feel kind of left out of the hate 

Anyway, does anyone else think Liara might have a tiny bit of an obsession with Shepard. I sometimes get that feeling, its a little weird.

I feel so odd,being someone who has only played ME2..

Had you played ME1 first your perspective would likely be different as you would have had a reference point and context.

If you are equating attraction or love with obsession then I suppose so however Liara does question Shepard in ME1 about feeling something between them so it's not like she is lurking or stalking. She says what she feels and pretty much stays consistant with that.

Let me ask you this though. If you characterize attaraction as obsession is it still obsession if the feeling of attaraction is mutual ? If so then are you saying that love is nothing more than a mutual obsession ?

[XEternalXDreamsX]

Love = Mutual obsession? Maybe. If you think about it, you must be obsessed with each other to want to spend everyday together (whether it would be for conversations, sex, ect or all of it). Kids obsessed with bands put pictures/posters on their bedroom walls, replace bands with pictures of a person and the teen with an adult. Obsession is sometimes looked at as some kind of 'bad' thing but it works in the case of love if it's mutual.

[Pariah Culexus]

Pinkflu wrote...

 

I don't really get that hate, I can easily rate the companions on a most to least favoured scale (with Liara clearly being first )  but there is not one of them I would wish death upon. Though Liara would be the only one I would be completly broken up about dying.

hmm, it seems we are fast approaching page 400.

[pf17456]

Pinkflu wrote...

I never thought Liara was anything like obsessed, although I know others (Liara-haters, mostly) think as much.

When Liara looks into Shep's background in ME1, it was just her initial attraction. And like how Tali puts it in the second game, what young woman wouldn't be attracted to a dashing soldier who rescues her and then takes her off on space adventures?

That is the most beautiful face in the Mass Effect universe

[pf17456]

XEternalXDreamsX wrote...

Love = Mutual obsession? Maybe. If you think about it, you must be obsessed with each other to want to spend everyday together (whether it would be for conversations, sex, ect or all of it). Kids obsessed with bands put pictures/posters on their bedroom walls, replace bands with pictures of a person and the teen with an adult. Obsession is sometimes looked at as some kind of 'bad' thing but it works in the case of love if it's mutual.

So you think Love is a psychiatric disorder ? And romance is what, a delusion ?

[pf17456]

[XEternalXDreamsX]

Psychiatric disorder? Nah. Just a lot of love that could not be justified unless explained. Like during ME1, if the only conversations that Ms. Liara and Shep had were the ones shown in-game than yes, borderline crazy obsession. But actually, they talked waaay more and had loving moments during their time together (that aren't shown in the game because it would be too slow-paced for alot of people). Some people assume the only conversations they ever had together were shown, and it makes people believe she's nuts for the Shep, in an unhealthy manner. Romance isn't really a delusion unless one of the two parties doesn't want it but the other seems to think it's really there ..which brings in obsession. Love is an obsession.. person, thing, or action can be part of it. If you want to spend every day playing video games, it's an obsession...which can be considered unhealthy or healthy depending on who you're talking to. Love is normally not considered an obsession but if you think about it.. it's a mutual obsession that's considered healthy for each other because the emotions it brings out in someone.

[pf17456]

XEternalXDreamsX wrote...

Psychiatric disorder? Nah. Just a lot of love that could not be justified unless explained. Like during ME1, if the only conversations that Ms. Liara and Shep had were the ones shown in-game than yes, borderline crazy obsession. But actually, they talked waaay more and had loving moments during their time together (that aren't shown in the game because it would be too slow-paced for alot of people). Some people assume the only conversations they ever had together were shown, and it makes people believe she's nuts for the Shep, in an unhealthy manner. Romance isn't really a delusion unless one of the two parties doesn't want it but the other seems to think it's really there ..which brings in obsession. Love is an obsession.. person, thing, or action can be part of it. If you want to spend every day playing video games, it's an obsession...which can be considered unhealthy or healthy depending on who you're talking to. Love is normally not considered an obsession but if you think about it.. it's a mutual obsession that's considered healthy for each other because the emotions it brings out in someone.

So if I understand you correctly then Liara's feelings toward Shepard could not really be considered obsessive if Shepard feels the same way about her.

[Yuqi]

pf17456 wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

 I played ME2 first, so I kind of don't have any particular attachment to Ash or Kaidan.  I feel kind of left out of the hate 

Anyway, does anyone else think Liara might have a tiny bit of an obsession with Shepard. I sometimes get that feeling, its a little weird.

I feel so odd,being someone who has only played ME2..

Had you played ME1 first your perspective would likely be different as you would have had a reference point and context.

If you are equating attraction or love with obsession then I suppose so however Liara does question Shepard in ME1 about feeling something between them so it's not like she is lurking or stalking. She says what she feels and pretty much stays consistant with that.

Let me ask you this though. If you characterize attaraction as obsession is it still obsession if the feeling of attaraction is mutual ? If so then are you saying that love is nothing more than a mutual obsession ?

If your just a friend, would you really go to such lengths to bring someone back? That's the way I look at it. Then the armour in her apartment.

Your right,  and I'm trying to get through ME1 now but it's a pain. As someone who is no good at shooters, I find ME1 is harder.

@KumQuats

I never tought about it that way, you have a point. The other thing could be, that link they did  to get clarity to shep's visions. Correct me if I'm wrong but woulden't that kind of stay with her?

Also is Liara/Femshep more popular then Liara/MShep? 

Modifié par Yuqi, 14 novembre 2011 - 01:23 .

[pf17456]

Yuqi wrote...

If your just a friend, would you really go to such lengths to bring someone back? That's the way I look at it. Then the armour in her apartment.

Your right,  and I'm trying to get through ME1 now but it's a pain. As someone who is no good at shooters, I find ME1 is harder.

@KumQuats

I never tought about it that way, you have a point. The other thing could be, that link they did  to get clarity to shep's visions. Correct me if I'm wrong but woulden't that kind of stay with her?

Also is Liara/Femshep more popular then Liara/MShep? 

I've never opted to play through where Liara was just a friend but even so who's to say or pass judgement on how a species that lives for 1000 years perceives friendship or chooses to retain memories. Encasing the armor does suggest she considers it valuable enough to preserve. She does make it known that she has feelings for Shepard so I don't really find it odd.
And yes their 'joining' I believe stayed with her and I suppose she retains Shepard's genitic blueprint and memory so you could say she knows Shepard very well, inside and out. Perhaps that helps to explain her behavior regarding Shepard.

[ADLegend21]

might be a little late to the Liara ans vs VS fans bit, but it's not all ar and het. we get along fine here!:
http://social.bioware.com/group/915/

[ratzerman]

There was a time, way back on the old bioboards, when the Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara fans all hung out together. Seeing them now fighting with eachother makes me sick.

I hope Mac Walters is happy.

[Xilizhra]

ratzerman wrote...

There was a time, way back on the old bioboards, when the Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara fans all hung out together. Seeing them now fighting with eachother makes me sick.

I hope Mac Walters is happy.

It reminds me a bit of the crab bucket phenomenon, where if a crab tries to crawl out of a bucket, other crabs will pull it back down.

[1136342t54_]

ratzerman wrote...

There was a time, way back on the old bioboards, when the Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara fans all hung out together. Seeing them now fighting with eachother makes me sick.

I hope Mac Walters is happy.

To be honest even then it wasn't all sunshine and daisys but it was better now. At this point people have to believe their character one ups the other for some stupid ass ****ty reason.

[Pups_of_war_76]

At this point I think I will be most content with ME3 if I experience it solely through conjectural fan-trailers people have made for it using ME1 and ME2 footage.

[Goody Two Shoes]

What sparked this little outbreak of Fandumb anyway?

[pf17456]

ratzerman wrote...

There was a time, way back on the old bioboards, when the Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara fans all hung out together. Seeing them now fighting with eachother makes me sick.

I hope Mac Walters is happy.

I remember that but I also remember some very heated discussions where people left and did not return.

What did Mac Walters do to contribute to this current chaos ?

[XEternalXDreamsX]

pf17456 wrote...

XEternalXDreamsX wrote...

Psychiatric disorder? Nah. Just a lot of love that could not be justified unless explained. Like during ME1, if the only conversations that Ms. Liara and Shep had were the ones shown in-game than yes, borderline crazy obsession. But actually, they talked waaay more and had loving moments during their time together (that aren't shown in the game because it would be too slow-paced for alot of people). Some people assume the only conversations they ever had together were shown, and it makes people believe she's nuts for the Shep, in an unhealthy manner. Romance isn't really a delusion unless one of the two parties doesn't want it but the other seems to think it's really there ..which brings in obsession. Love is an obsession.. person, thing, or action can be part of it. If you want to spend every day playing video games, it's an obsession...which can be considered unhealthy or healthy depending on who you're talking to. Love is normally not considered an obsession but if you think about it.. it's a mutual obsession that's considered healthy for each other because the emotions it brings out in someone.

So if I understand you correctly then Liara's feelings toward Shepard could not really be considered obsessive if Shepard feels the same way about her.

Sorry if I don't use my words properly or my words are all out of context. Sometimes I ramble on too much.
But from what you said, yes.  Of course, it's just my opinion.
Your old armor in her apartment is a good example.
As her L.I., that is a sign of good faith in keeping close to you even after giving your body to Cerberus. Sort of like keeping a memory of you with her. Since you are really the one who romanced her, it should let you know that your love for her hasn't faded.
As her former squadmate (not romanced), that would be considered a WTF moment of why the hell is she keeping my stuff (more so if you didn't like her in the first place)..which could lead that person to believing she is obsessed with you.  It's just my opinion though, so I'm not really right but not proven wrong. :innocent: