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About Liara out growing the lab coat, I more of see it like any other series. A character shouldn't go back to their original outfits, because that's all they're meant to be. An outfit to grow out of. Same with a hair style.

Like let's look at Gabrielle as an example:

At the beginning of the series, she's a farm girl who doesn't really want to kill anyone. And looks the part:

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And then later in the series, she becomes more of a warrior, and doesn't care about taking a life:

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Her outfit reflects a change in character. A growth in character.

Or let's look at something more simple, as say Captain Janeway.

At the beginning of the series, she has her hair tied back.

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While later in the series, she has her hair down. A simple change over time, to show a change in time.

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So if Liara is back in the labcoat, I think it would be a wasted chance to show character grow through design. Which is why I like the switch between labcoat and dress. Even a change in color.

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PMC65 wrote...

FYI ...

@TheDaniellasaur  posted this link on the Kaidan thread.

http://www.eurogamer...o-leaked-script


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I think that Kate Mulgrew said in an interview or a convention, that they didn't know what do to with the hair of the first female Captain. ^^
But I understand what you mean. :)

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Yea i got me some Liara love going on lol..

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FYI from the thread
Interview: Bioware taking feedback, may make changes after leak.


Jessica Merizan wrote...

The game is not done by anyone's definition. Let's end the conspiracy theories that keep popping up on threads.

On Nov. 1st Casey tweeted that they were reviewing romance plots.
https://twitter.com/...418601369513985

Nov. 10-11th senior writers are still writing in game content.
https://twitter.com/...858546188795904
https://twitter.com/...192015297196033

It's called crunch for a reason.

As far as feedback goes, I can personally attest to the fact that forums/facebook/twitter are monitored and sentiment is reported (by me and other awesome people on our community team). Feedback is absolutely critical to game development, as I've said here, and you should continue giving feedback in a civil and constructive manner with good intentions. No one's going to take someone seriously that spews hate and argumentative behavior. We have really exemplary community members here and I want you to know that we are in fact listening.


And to quote Ray from the OP article:
"You edit it continually. It's a living process to build a game and it's also a living experience to play through it. You're seeing the graphics, you're seeing the choices, you're seeing the characters. Words alone on a page, they're not delivered in voice over, they're not delivered in the interface, they're not delivered as your character, with your choices up to that point imbuing them with meaning and purpose and identity, the emotion part of it.

"A lot of the art now in video games is developed in an interesting way where subtle expressions and facial animation, a tilt of the head, the way the camera is positioned, the lighting in a room, they can set the tone and the mood, the sound effects, the layer of audio that's put over the top of a scene, that stuff is really important.

"What I would suggest to the fans is, we're going to make sure we deliver an awesome experience as we have in prior Mass Effect games. Don't spoil the story. The fun of the story is uncovering things and exploring and finding new points to adventure in. I hope they don't lose that joy of discovery."


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ladyvader wrote...
What I want to know is exactly how is the import going to work.  I know we'll get to pick which Shepard we want to use, but will be be able to pick which file within that Shepard's save  file.


That's how it worked in DA2, you'd pick a character and then pick a save...


Yuqi wrote...

I do have the Genisis Comic. I did somehow pick the romance once,(Admits to, skimming through comic by abusing the B button,after listening to it once) I'm not 100% sure what page/scene to pick..:(


It's not that hard, at one point it's talking about relationships getting in the way of the mission and you have to pick

                                                                                 Ashley/Kaiden
Focus on the mission (or somthing to that effect) O
                                                                                 Liara

Xilizhra wrote...

The most spiteful? I don't know; I'd say the anti-s/s dolts are by far the worst.


s/s?

...Shepard... ...Samara?

alex90c wrote...

Liara was in ME2 for like a two minute cameo, I thought that would have satisfied her haters enough.


Well the whole Shadow Broker thing gives her the best arc of any of the LIs.

In my unbiased opinion. :P

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I never tought about it that way, you have a point. The other thing could be, that link they did  to get clarity to shep's visions. Correct me if I'm wrong but woulden't that kind of stay with her?


In my head-canon their relationship went something like this:

Shepard was an orphan raised on the streets of the great megatropolises covering  Earth. She escaped the life of petty crime and underworld gangs by enlisting with the Alliance military when she turned eighteen. She never let anyone get close to her because everyone who'd ever tried was trying to take advantage of her in one way or another.

Oddly her first best father figure was her drill instructor (by the by I'm having a hard time figuring out what branch of the service Shepard is in. N7 is a marine outfit but she'd s Lt. Commander and that's not a marine rank (I think that would be a captain or a major in the USMC) plus, you know, captain of a ship) who lead with his own special brand of tough hate. He was tough but fair, she always said... or at least tough but never tried to coerce anyone into robbing a jewellry store.

She was always bright but not particularly well schooled - although a mathematical prodigy (I'm of the firm opinion that you couldn't be a cook on a military space ship without a firm grasp of physics and mathematics (Because Sir Issacc Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-**** in space) the only reason she made it through the required courses was due to the help of one of her fellow officer candidates. He was her first real friend and confidant. He was an absolute genius and came across as a bit of a ****** until you got to know him. They graduated in the top two spots in their class and were both assigned to the same ship.

And they were both on Elysium during the Skyllian Blitz. He didn't survive.

After that Shepard satisfied herself with more surface level friendships preferring not to let anyone get to close. Even people like Garrus who she'd gladly entrust her life to would be kept at arms length, usually she used her jocular humour as a distancing mechanism...

Shepard's attraction to Liara crept up on her so quickly that she didn't notice it and, as much as she might try to resist, she couldn't deny it. Liara was brilliant, beautiful and charming in her own naive way. And more importantly she was someone Shepard couldn't hid her inner self from, couldn't BS and push away. They'd been linked. Mind and body and soul.

Once Shepard let her into her heart there was no getting her out. Shepard became a lot more friendly after that and opened up more to her friends, now her humour was genuine. Liara had seen to the core of her being and swept away the shadows. She still feared what might happen to her friends and her lover in the upcoming battle but now she had real hope for a future after the fighting (and something real to look forward to). Nothing had ever gone quite right in Shepard's life. Orphaned at a young age and left to the tender mercies of the street gangs she could have so easily slipped into a life of crime or become some two bit merc like so many before her but she couldn't let that happen. She pulled herself up by her bootstraps to get to where she was. Liara inspired to go beyond that, to be the best Shepard she could be (a paragon if you will).

Liara on the other hand was simply smitten with Shepard. A knight in shining armour came to free her from the geth and on top of that the woman was absolutely fascinating. An inspirational leader of men who had a unique link to the protheians that she had spent most of her life studying. Shepard, despite being little more than a quatrer of her age seemed so mature and worldly, all put together Liara had to find out everything about this wonderful woman that had crashed into her life. And the more she did the more she loved her.

And then Shepard ordered Liara off her ship, to get the crew to safety while she went back into the runied CIC to haul Joker's stubon ass into an escape pod. If she had only insisted that she go with Shepard, or left Joker to his own devices (the escape pod was right there. How things would have been different...

Liara spent two years dealing with the loss of Shepard and she wasn't about to jump back into a relationship with her (as much as she might want to) while they are both in such danger of dying. Shepard on the other hand has a different problem. It's like she fell asleep over the skies of Alchera and woke up the next morning and her entire world had changed. Half of her crew was dead, the rest dispersed. Her friends were either missing or hated her the council she'd fought so hard to save had tuned into raving lunatics (Oh, yes. "Reapers". We have dismissed that claim). She couldn't help but wonder if they'd even been worth saving. She'd spent her entire adult life trying to do the right thing, trying to do her duty trying to rise above the easy-way-out mentality she'd been brought up with (although she still occasionally tasered mercenaries in the back to save her friends from gunships etc.) and what happens? She ends up disappeared, disavowed and despised, working for someone she hates just to save the ungrateful asses of the galaxy.

And worst of all; he lover, the one person she could share every part of herself with, the one person who has seen everything she is from the inner greatness everyone aspires to down to the petty jealousies and small fears and accepted her without reservation... wanted nothing more to do with her than to give her a couple of glorified fetch quests. And she wouldn't even say why. From Shepard's perspective they'd been together for a month or two, the happiest weeks of her life even with the oncoming galactic apocalypse... and the next day it was over.

Of course Liara was dealing with her own issues, survivour's guilt, guilt at losing Feron, guilt at turning Shepard over Cerberus... that may seem like a no-brainer at the time but it was a calculated risk. They might rebuild her but how? Would she still be the same person she was before or had Liara just sacrificed everything that Shepard was, everything she stood for ... just to save her life? Was that the right thing to do, or was it her own selfishness at work?

Well that's what goes on in my head when I'm seeing this... and this is why I don't write fanfiction. :?

Kind of went off the rails there but I was on a roll.

Yuqi wrote...


Also is Liara/Femshep more popular then Liara/MShep?


Answering that question requires admitting the possibility that MShep exists, or to put it another way:

Ah, yes. "MShep". The mythical male protagonist of the Mass Effect series. We have dismissed that claim.

:P

Modifié par Gespenst, 16 novembre 2011 - 11:51 .


#10032
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Bah. M!Shep/Liara needs more love.

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alex90c wrote...

Bah. M!Shep/Liara needs more love.


Seconded, supported and<3'd

Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to finish the Shadow Broker last night. The news about Bioware accepting feedback hit and I was planning a response for part of the night and had a meeting for the other part. So tonight hopefully...

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Gespenst wrote...

*snip*

Xilizhra wrote...

The most spiteful? I don't know; I'd say the anti-s/s dolts are by far the worst.


s/s?

...Shepard... ...Samara?
*snip*


I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic here so on the side of caution ... s/s refers to same sex relationships.

Enjoyed your Shepard's quick bio and motivations. I've never done an Earth-born but I can see alot of potential there ... maybe one day.

@TMA LIVE  ... Loved the show Xena and Gabrielle did go through a lot of changes. Her top kept shrinking every season to start with. I'll be at the final Xena Con next year here in LA after attending it for over ten years. People from all over the world attend it and it will be sad knowing this will be the final one. Battle on! 

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PMC65 wrote...

Gespenst wrote...

s/s?

...Shepard... ...Samara?
*snip*


I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic here so on the side of caution ... s/s refers to same sex relationships.


I don't think (s)he was sarcastic, but in any case I thank you for that as I have been wondering about what it meant Image IPB.

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Pariah Culexus wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Gespenst wrote...

s/s?

...Shepard... ...Samara?
*snip*


I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic here so on the side of caution ... s/s refers to same sex relationships.


I don't think (s)he was sarcastic, but in any case I thank you for that as I have been wondering about what it meant Image IPB.


Every time I find a new shortened word or something like that, here in the forums, I just try to google it or figure it out by myself. I always find it a little embarrassing for some reason to actually ask what it means :P It might take a couple minutes to figure it out, or it can take a few days, but still I never ask what those mean, even if I know it's stupid not to ask, because that would be so much simpler and quicker but anyway :D

And yes, I don't think Gespenst was being sarcastic, that s/s was something I had to think about for a few minutes too to finally get it.

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It's "she," for clarification.
And it could have been worse, I could have said SS.

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Xilizhra wrote...

It's "she," for clarification.
And it could have been worse, I could have said SS.


*gasp!:o

Not... the Secret Service? or stainless steel?:P

Or an early Japanese hardcore punk band?

Ok I needed Wikipedia for that last one. I'm stopping here.

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Schutzstaffel.

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alex90c wrote...

Bah. M!Shep/Liara needs more love.

QFT. I have no problem with the F!Shep/Liara pairing -- she's Liara, the more love for her the better Image IPB-- but sometimes the M!Shep bashing gets a little wearying.

#10041
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All the passion of those who enjoy f/f relationships ends up here for those who play the only canon one. It's inevitable.

In any case, I've seen plenty of maleshep stuff here.

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Korkki wrote...

Pariah Culexus wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Gespenst wrote...

s/s?

...Shepard... ...Samara?
*snip*


I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic here so on the side of caution ... s/s refers to same sex relationships.


I don't think (s)he was sarcastic, but in any case I thank you for that as I have been wondering about what it meant Image IPB.


Every time I find a new shortened word or something like that, here in the forums, I just try to google it or figure it out by myself. I always find it a little embarrassing for some reason to actually ask what it means :P It might take a couple minutes to figure it out, or it can take a few days, but still I never ask what those mean, even if I know it's stupid not to ask, because that would be so much simpler and quicker but anyway :D

And yes, I don't think Gespenst was being sarcastic, that s/s was something I had to think about for a few minutes too to finally get it.


I didn't think she was but you never know on this board. Image IPB

I don't have a problem asking if I don't know something and for the most part people are really nice at answering ... but there are those that can be quite an ass about it.

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PMC65 wrote...

I didn't think she was but you never know on this board. Image IPB

I don't have a problem asking if I don't know something and for the most part people are really nice at answering ... but there are those that can be quite an ass about it.


It's not really that I wouldn't got any anwers if I asked, but it's more like I "can't" ask, I have to figure it out by myself, real manly men don't ask for advice nor they need help in anything, if you know what I mean :D I don't know if this is an universal thing among men, but at least that's part of this Finnish mentality. It's the same thing that "men don't read the manual, the manual is for dummies." You rather do something 20 times before you get it right, without reading the manual than reading the manual and getting it right at the first time ^_^

Ofc that (above there ^) isn't exactly true and I myself am not usually like that, trying to be "real manly man", I prefer reading the manual and so on. But for some reason I rather try to find out this stuff by myself than simply asking what they mean. Maybe I'm afraid people will think I'm stupid if I don't know what for example s/s mean ;)

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PMC65 wrote...

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic here so on the side of caution ... s/s refers to same sex relationships.


Pariah Culexus wrote...
I don't think (s)he was sarcastic, but in any case I thank you for that as I have been wondering about what it meant ../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png.


Yeah, I had no idea. :blush:

Usually when you're writing the names of a pairing you'd put a / between their names (like Shepard/Liara, Jacob/Miranda, Joker/EDI) (hence "slashfic"). So that threw me.

alex90c wrote...

Schutzstaffel.


I think everyone was trying to avoid the obvious third reich reference.

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Korkki wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

I didn't think she was but you never know on this board. Image IPB

I don't have a problem asking if I don't know something and for the most part people are really nice at answering ... but there are those that can be quite an ass about it.


It's not really that I wouldn't got any anwers if I asked, but it's more like I "can't" ask, I have to figure it out by myself, real manly men don't ask for advice nor they need help in anything, if you know what I mean :D I don't know if this is an universal thing among men, but at least that's part of this Finnish mentality. It's the same thing that "men don't read the manual, the manual is for dummies." You rather do something 20 times before you get it right, without reading the manual than reading the manual and getting it right at the first time ^_^

Ofc that (above there ^) isn't exactly true and I myself am not usually like that, trying to be "real manly man", I prefer reading the manual and so on. But for some reason I rather try to find out this stuff by myself than simply asking what they mean. Maybe I'm afraid people will think I'm stupid if I don't know what for example s/s mean ;)


Real men don't ask for directions kind of thing? With three brothers I can honestly say you guys do things that can drive a gal mad ... but you also have some amazing qualities that make me really glad to have three brutes at my disposal. 

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Back on topic ...

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#10046
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Korkki wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

I didn't think she was but you never know on this board. Image IPB

I don't have a problem asking if I don't know something and for the most part people are really nice at answering ... but there are those that can be quite an ass about it.


It's not really that I wouldn't got any anwers if I asked, but it's more like I "can't" ask, I have to figure it out by myself, real manly men don't ask for advice nor they need help in anything, if you know what I mean :D I don't know if this is an universal thing among men, but at least that's part of this Finnish mentality. It's the same thing that "men don't read the manual, the manual is for dummies." You rather do something 20 times before you get it right, without reading the manual than reading the manual and getting it right at the first time ^_^

Ofc that (above there ^) isn't exactly true and I myself am not usually like that, trying to be "real manly man", I prefer reading the manual and so on. But for some reason I rather try to find out this stuff by myself than simply asking what they mean. Maybe I'm afraid people will think I'm stupid if I don't know what for example s/s mean ;)


I agree with PMC65, it really depends on the person you're "talking" to.

It's why one of my personal rules IRL is that no matter how weird a thing someone talks about with me, I don't just try to poke fun at them instantly (unless it's like ... sick).

Say for example, most of the people I know would think finding a cartoon character attractive is weird, but if someone else I knew said they were attractive nd whatever, if I disagree with them I try more to deflect their comment elsewhere rather than answer it, lol.

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Gespenst wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Schutzstaffel.


I think everyone was trying to avoid the obvious third reich reference.


Why exactly should we avoid that. Is the nationalist socialist Germany some sort of tabú we're not supposed to talk about?

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Uhm... quick somebody post a Liara picture! Preferably that one with the N7 bra again or that other gif of her dancing.

#10049
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Well, I do have this...
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QFT. I have no problem with the F!Shep/Liara pairing -- she's Liara, the more love for her the better Image IPB-- but sometimes the M!Shep bashing gets a little wearying.

It's no hate, it's simple matter of fact that female incarnation of female Shepard is light years before broShep. She is unique and has done tremendous work in representing females in games with other purposes than pixel nudity. Why would anyone play broShep over femShep is beyond me. If you want your typical manly brvado go watch Braveheart or play Halo.

femShep is canon.

Modifié par diamondedge, 16 novembre 2011 - 07:06 .