56460 réponses à ce sujet

[CrutchCricket]

PMC65 wrote...
And that is why a polygamist might say that they are faithful to their spouses ... did you miss that part?

Nope, I did see that. The wording of that however seems to suggest that you still view faithfulness as implying monogamy and you're just giving it to the polygamist because hey why not? I'm saying their version is just as valid for them as yours is for you and no universal definition can be made that includes either. I'm thinking we're just stating the same thing in different ways so I'll leave it at that.

Korkki, you'd be surprised how often subtlety backfires on the internet. For example my use of the word verbiage. I used it at its most literal basically meaning a lot of words. Yes meaninglessness is sometimes implied in its use but not in this case as I also used the word repetition to narrow the context. Also it was indeed your opinion you were describing and I believe opinions by definition cannot be meaningless. Ironically that sentence as well as the stuff I continue to type this very second are also fine examples of verbiage. Some people will see what I did there, some won't.
Anyway the meat of it is this: we are in agreement about relationship types and rules and how those vary for each person.  The rest is either personal belief or fluff.

Also just saw this:

Pariah Culexus wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
Incidentally, I had a very nice childhood, why do you ask?../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

I don't know why but that line cracked me up, thanks for that, I seriously needed it. 

You're welcome! A smile, laugh, giggle, or even cackle is exactly what I was going for and is completely appropriate!

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 23 novembre 2011 - 01:48 .

[Pariah Culexus]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Also just saw this:

Pariah Culexus wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
Incidentally, I had a very nice childhood, why do you ask?../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

I don't know why but that line cracked me up, thanks for that, I seriously needed it. 

You're welcome! A smile, laugh, giggle, or even cackle is exactly what I was going for and is completely appropriate!

I had had a bad day so it was much appreciated

A thing I did not really get when I read one of your other comments was whether you were interested in a polygamous relationship in the game or simply stating that such a realtionship could be just as right as a monogamous one. 

[Korkki]

CrutchCricket wrote...

For example my use of the word verbiage. I used it at its most literal basically meaning a lot of words. Yes meaninglessness is sometimes implied in its use but not in this case as I also used the word repetition to narrow the context.

Okay, good thing you corrected what you meant. I'm just used to that it means when something sounds nice and beautiful but doesn't actually mean anything. So it was just a misunderstanding from my part.

[CrutchCricket]

Pariah Culexus wrote...
I had had a bad day so it was much appreciated

A thing I did not really get when I read one of your other comments was whether you were interested in a polygamous relationship in the game or simply stating that such a realtionship could be just as right as a monogamous one. 

Ah. One of the things I've learned in my studies and try to uphold in any argument is to use facts, propositions and logic and not personal opinions (as much as possible). Opinions can't be true or false and you can't be faulted for holding one. You can try and use arguments to change one's opinion but even that works less than you'd expect.

So in short, I haven't given my personal preference. I have said that Liara-Shepard-Kelly might work for a time, in answer to the question that started this discussion. As for whether my Shepard would want polygamy, he'd be open to it as long as it wasn't another guy. Since that's a bit of a double standard and not even remotely fair he would likely scrap the whole thing altogether.

Korkki wrote...
Okay, good thing you corrected what you meant. I'm just used to that it means when something sounds nice and beautiful but doesn't actually mean anything. So it was just a misunderstanding from my part.

Nice and beautiful? Huh. I've never heard it imply those things intrinsically. Point proven!

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 23 novembre 2011 - 02:30 .

[Korkki]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Korkki wrote...
Okay, good thing you corrected what you meant.
I'm just used to that it means when something sounds nice and beautiful
but doesn't actually mean anything. So it was just a misunderstanding
from my part.

Nice and beautiful? Huh. I've never heard it imply those things intrinsically. Point proven![smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

Okay, now I said it wrong. I meant like how politicians talk. They talk much, yes, and it sounds cool and nice and you're like "alright, sounds great" but they're not actually saying anything. A lot of empty words or even empty promises in some way maybe, which doesn't mean anything. Ofc I might have a little translation problem between this verbiage and it's Finnish equivalent here, maybe they're not an exact match.

 Edit: So... I'm talking about this fallacy called argumentum ad eloquantiam in Latin. Don't know if that says anything to you though...

Modifié par Korkki, 23 novembre 2011 - 02:55 .

[Pariah Culexus]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Pariah Culexus wrote...
I had had a bad day so it was much appreciated

A thing I did not really get when I read one of your other comments was whether you were interested in a polygamous relationship in the game or simply stating that such a realtionship could be just as right as a monogamous one. 

Ah. One of the things I've learned in my studies and try to uphold in any argument is to use facts, propositions and logic and not personal opinions (as much as possible). Opinions can't be true or false and you can't be faulted for holding one. You can try and use arguments to change one's opinion but even that works less than you'd expect.

So in short, I haven't given my personal preference. I have said that Liara-Shepard-Kelly might work for a time, in answer to the question that started this discussion. As for whether my Shepard would want polygamy, he'd be open to it as long as it wasn't another guy. Since that's a bit of a double standard and not even remotely fair he would likely scrap the whole thing altogether.

Ah, okay

[CrutchCricket]

Korkki wrote...
 Edit: So... I'm talking about this fallacy called argumentum ad eloquantiam in Latin. Don't know if that says anything to you though...

Yes I get what you're referring to. What are you saying about it though?

[Gespenst]

Yuqi wrote...

这是我的语言

Well your English is definitly better than my Chinese.

Korkki wrote...
Well that's only for you outsiders! We have to get along with each other too you know. Luckily there is so few people living here that we don't actually have to get along with each other, because we never see each other. We just sit here in small cabins drinking vodka and eating salmiac while it's cold and dark and sun never rises. We go jogging with polar bears and all of us have a nokia cellphone. Then we go to sauna which is 120 degrees celsius hot and we have this eternal source of stubbornnes, the famous Finnish sisu. ...okay j/k

You mean you don't do all that? Shame. It sounded awesome. Especially the polar bears. But it's probably not worth it if you have to eat salmiak. You know what else is awesome? Moomin. I used to think they were Hippos when I was a kid.

...do you play these games in English, Korkki? Or is there a Finnish version?

Related to the subject of asari fidelity, I was going through Illium today (I mean my Shepard was. Obviously I wasn't) and overheard two asari talking about another asari - Erinya who they looked down on for marrying another asari. They actually said marry. I don't know it might just have been an oversight.

Unrelated to anything, if I lived in the Mass Effect universe I'd move to Illium and open a strip club and call it "The Topless Towers". I'd give a free drink to anyone who got the joke. Anyone who pointed out the spelling error would be barred for life.

Modifié par Gespenst, 23 novembre 2011 - 03:22 .

[Korkki]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Korkki wrote...
 Edit: So... I'm talking about this fallacy called argumentum ad eloquantiam in Latin. Don't know if that says anything to you though...

Yes I get what you're referring to. What are you saying about it though?

What exactly you mean, what am I saying about it? I just tried to explain that this agumentum ad eloquantiam thing is how I've always understood the meaning of the word verbiage, and wondering if that Latin word combination even helps you at all to understand what I'm, in quite difficult way, trying to explain here

Gespenst wrote...

You mean you don't do all that? Shame. It sounded awesome. Especially
the polar bears. But it's probably not worth it if you have to eat
salmiak. You know what else is awesome? Moomin. I used to think they
were Hippos when I was a kid.

...do you play these games in English, Korkki? Or is there a Finnish version?

C'mon salmiac is good, yummy yummy. It was a lot of fun giving some salmiac for our Canadian relatives, they were like "what on earth is this black stuff o_O ??" At least they said they liked it, or then they were just being polite, which may be the case And tbh I still watch moomins sometimes, we actually have all the episodes recorded from TV and burned into DVDs.

And god no, I don't play Finnish versions of the games. Not that there would be many of them though, we normally have the standard European versions which only come with Finnish cases and quickstarts,  but the games themselves are in English (or in any other language the European version supports). The EA's NHL series is in Finnish and some children's games but that's about it. Even if the games were spoken in Finnish I'd still go for the English version. Some Finnish actor speaking instead of Ali Hillis would just ruin Liara and Mass Effect for me

Modifié par Korkki, 23 novembre 2011 - 03:43 .

[Pariah Culexus]

Korkki wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Korkki wrote...
 Edit: So... I'm talking about this fallacy called argumentum ad eloquantiam in Latin. Don't know if that says anything to you though...

Yes I get what you're referring to. What are you saying about it though?

What exactly you mean, what am I saying about it? I just tried to explain that this agumentum ad eloquantiam thing is how I've always understood the meaning of the word verbiage, and wondering if that Latin word combination even helps you at all to understand what I'm, in quite difficult way, trying to explain here

Now I am cunfused  and I am not even part of the argument

[Gespenst]

Verbiage: Speech or writing that uses too many words or excessively technical expressions.

It's not neccesarily the same as the politicians habbit of "using a lot of words to say nothing" but it's similar.

See also, Verbose, Wordy

I'm having difficulty seeing where all the confusion is coming from.

Edit: ^ I'm not sure if they are arguing.

Modifié par Gespenst, 23 novembre 2011 - 03:33 .

[CrutchCricket]

Korkki: I get what you're talking about. The word verbiage though just means "lots of words". How those words are used can vary from dodging questions to serving absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

Edit: We're not arguing, we're clarifying. And given how many words have already been expended by the lot of us trying to talk about "verbiage" I'd say we proved the definition many times over. It's time for something different.

Go go gadget Liara gif!

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 23 novembre 2011 - 03:57 .

[Korkki]

Gespenst wrote...

I'm having difficulty seeing where all the confusion is coming from.

I guess I'm the only confused one here. It's because I translated the word incorrectly, and as we know words have various meanings, in this case two, when you translate it into Finnish, and I just happened to pick the wrong one, which stands for this fallacy I mentioned, while the other meaning is for this using a lot of words.... So I'm the one to blame here.

And also I replied to your question Gespenst by adding an edit to my previous post, just incase you missed it ^^

Modifié par Korkki, 23 novembre 2011 - 03:59 .

[Gespenst]

Korkki wrote...

And also I replied to your guestion Gespenst by adding an edit to my previous post, just incase you missed it ^^

I saw it, thanks.

Korkki wrote...

"what on earth is this black stuff o_O ??" At least they said they liked it, or then they were just being polite, which may be the case

It's like liquorice... but made with amonia. Which is not my idea of a good time.

Korkki wrote...

And tbh I still watch moomins sometimes, we actually have all the episodes recorded from TV and burned into DVDs.

And god no, I don't play Finnish versions of the games. Not that there would be many of them though, we normally have the standard European versions which only come with Finnish cases and quickstarts... Even if the games were spoken in Finnish I'd still go for the English version. Some Finnish actor speaking instead of Ali Hillis would just ruin Liara and Mass Effect for me

That's for the best anyway. For one thing it means we're all talking about the same thing. An actor's performance can really change the tone of the piece. And things might go wrong in the translation. I heard that the Russian version of one of the ME games (I forget which) was a little bit ... terrible. They mistranslated things, getting things turned around (like making that news reporter out to be a supporter of Shepard) or just making up the Codex entries.

[Korkki]

Gespenst wrote...

It's like liquorice... but made with amonia. Which is not my idea of a good time.

Yeah, well there are different kinds of salmiac but it's generally little saltier than liquorice and it tastes stronger too. Have you ever tried salmiac? I'm just curious 

I don't know who the hell got the idea to invent a candy which is made out of stuff that is poisonous for humans, but  it tastes good anyway and I've been eating that stuff almost all my life and I haven't died yet so...

[PMC65]

CrutchCricket wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
And that is why a polygamist might say that they are faithful to their spouses ... did you miss that part?

Nope, I did see that. The wording of that however seems to suggest that you still view faithfulness as implying monogamy and you're just giving it to the polygamist because hey why not? I'm saying their version is just as valid for them as yours is for you and no universal definition can be made that includes either. I'm thinking we're just stating the same thing in different ways so I'll leave it at that.

No, I added it because in walking through my thoughts I could see where it could apply in poly relationships. But I think we are now off-topic sooooooo....


Liara T'Soni Wallpaper 2 by ~masterulukai

[CrutchCricket]

Yes, we need more Liara talk in the Liara thread. There has been a shocking decline in Liara per post this quarter and figures estimate at least a 45% decline from the projected goal. Focus groups also indicate that verbiage is on the rise.. no, bad CrutchCricket!

Anyway not sure if it's been done on here, but if so I don't think people will mind reposting.

Describe a date with Liara!

[Xilizhra]

I just realized I'm abysmally bad at date planning...

[alex90c]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Yes, we need more Liara talk in the Liara thread. There has been a shocking decline in Liara per post this quarter and figures estimate at least a 45% decline from the projected goal. Focus groups also indicate that verbiage is on the rise.. no, bad CrutchCricket!

Anyway not sure if it's been done on here, but if so I don't think people will mind reposting.

Describe a date with Liara!

shepard: hey liara
liara: EMBRACE ETERNITY

*mindf*ck*

THE END

[Korkki]

alex90c wrote...

shepard: hey liara
liara: EMBRACE ETERNITY

*mindf*ck*

THE END

Haha! I lmao at this:D that really hit the spot while I'm trying to get something out of these damn integrals of solids of revolution

[IndigoWolfe]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Describe a date with Liara!

Some honest-to-goodness Chinese food over the Shadow Broker information network, laughing over transcripts of the Turian Councillor's awkward dates with his mistress, then Shepard would surprise Liara with a tango around the control room with Feron playing the tune on a holographic space-violin with the VI assistant backing with strings.

Then relaxing on the couch watching the eternal sunset storms of Hagalaz.



Sappy? Heck yes.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 23 novembre 2011 - 06:15 .

[PMC65]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Describe a date with Liara!

Some honest-to-goodness Chinese food over the Shadow Broker information network, laughing over transcripts of the Turian Councillor's awkward dates with his mistress, then Shepard would surprise Liara with a tango around the control room with Feron playing the tune on a holographic space-violin with the VI assistant backing with strings.

Then relaxing on the couch watching the eternal sunset storms of Hagalaz.



Sappy? Heck yes.

and then cut to @Pariah Culexus type of date? Mix these two dates together and ShaZam!

beccaboden: LOVE LOVE LOVE

[PMC65]

For those without a twitter account ....




CaseyDHudson Casey Hudson




If we had been under such tough constraints on #[/s]ME3 that we supported only one love interest character, who would you choose?







missalihillis Ali Hillis




U! RT @NerdAppropriate: @CaseyDHudson Liara would be the best choice for both genders. We gotta support the awesome @missalihillis #[/s]ME3

[kumquats]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

...... then Shepard would surprise Liara with a tango around the control room with Feron playing the tune on a holographic space-violin with the VI assistant backing with strings.

And I immediately thought of the Addams family. I love that Tango. ^^

@PMC65, this is a cruel question.


Can't I have both?

[CrutchCricket]

If they did have to cut it down to one, it'd be so stacked in Liara's favor... I don't see how this is even a question.