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[Yuqi]

Gespenst ...Are S/S relationships really more common in Eastern games?

Well let's see... there's a good chance that a lot of FemShep players are male and would rather their character romanced a female LI even if they're playing a woman.

Now as for why the Femshep/Liara romance is more popular than S/S relationships in general... that might be because it's officially not (Bioware has at least established (somewhat)plausible deniability).

Yes it is more commen, but maybe not as direct as ME. Hale has been doing V/A work alot longer I guess.

So maybe because it's not technically S/S players who are straight feel more comfortable with it?

Modifié par Yuqi, 10 décembre 2011 - 04:12 .

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

Robhuzz wrote...

In Mass Effect 1. Jennifer Hale made the dialoge that leads up to sex scene she sounded like sensual, caring, funny, and even a little curious about it, while Mark Meer sounded like a creepy, desprate, and dirty old man. In the coda to Lair of the Shadow Broker Hale and Hillis sound like their in the same room, while Meer and Hillis sounded like they are talking on the phone.

That's how all dialogue should sound really. Sometimes I do wonder at what time they record the dialogue and how much info they gave the voice actors regarding the situation. A very notable one is when starting the Reaper IFF mission. The normandy is shaking violently and an alarm sounds, Shepard runs towards Joker and the next moment he's asking: "What's with all the chop Joker?" Not even raising his voice in the slightest, as if they're standing next to eachother in the library... I do hope little things like these get fixed for ME3.

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Modifié par Mighty_BOB_cnc, 10 décembre 2011 - 04:49 .

[Gespenst]

Yuqi wrote...

So maybe because it's not technically S/S players who are straight feel more comfortable with it?

I didn't say I agreed with it or that it made sense, don't shoot the messenger.

[kumquats]

jlb524 wrote...

kumquats wrote...
But there is no specific reason why this question is asked so much?
I mean, the core romance doesn't change at all, you could even romance her with a Vorcha and it would be the same romance, it's just how you want your Shepard.

I don't know...I think it's b/c some find it unusual that the Femshep version (i.e., 'lesbian' version) is what's preferred (which I don't think is even true but that's their perception)...so they feel the need to ask 'why'.

Okay, but I kind of agree, there is nothing that's supports the argument that female Shepard and Liara is the more popular romance.
Personaly I think that there are a lot more male Shepards who romanced her.
Forums are not respresentative, not even polls if someone wants to do that.
For example, in MMORPGs the standard is Tank < Healer < DDs. Still you can be in a guild with lots of Tanks, lots of Healers and very few DDs, giving you the impression that there is a DD shortage, even if it's not true overall.

The forums are just a samll number of people. Maybe among the regulars the Liara / female Shepard is more popular, but that doesn't mean anything.

[Yuqi]

kumquats wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kumquats wrote...
But there is no specific reason why this question is asked so much?
I mean, the core romance doesn't change at all, you could even romance her with a Vorcha and it would be the same romance, it's just how you want your Shepard.

I don't know...I think it's b/c some find it unusual that the Femshep version (i.e., 'lesbian' version) is what's preferred (which I don't think is even true but that's their perception)...so they feel the need to ask 'why'.

Okay, but I kind of agree, there is nothing that's supports the argument that female Shepard and Liara is the more popular romance.
Personaly I think that there are a lot more male Shepards who romanced her.
Forums are not respresentative, not even polls if someone wants to do that.
For example, in MMORPGs the standard is Tank < Healer < DDs. Still you can be in a guild with lots of Tanks, lots of Healers and very few DDs, giving you the impression that there is a DD shortage, even if it's not true overall.

The forums are just a samll number of people. Maybe among the regulars the Liara / female Shepard is more popular, but that doesn't mean anything.

But It's not just here, it's the same at places like tumblr. 

Modifié par Yuqi, 10 décembre 2011 - 12:03 .

[kumquats]

Yuqi wrote...

But It's not just here, it's the same at places like tumblr. 

Yes, like I said, it's a subjective observation, but hardly evidence to proof that female Shepard/Liara is the more popular choice.

Unless, someone has % data for the LI. And even that would be a vague conclusion.

[Korkki]

kumquats wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

But It's not just here, it's the same at places like tumblr. 

Yes, like I said, it's a subjective observation, but hardly evidence to proof that female Shepard/Liara is the more popular choice.

Unless, someone has % data for the LI. And even that would be a vague conclusion.

I agree with you here. There is no way we can know the real percentages among all the people who play mass effect. Yes, there are forums and there are polls, but,  that is just a really tiny sample of ME players and even a small sample of BSN or any other forum, because only a small percentage of people really post on a thread or vote on a poll that are about "with which gender Shepard you romanced Liara". Some people romance her with both, some only with M or F Shepard. And after all, even if we knew the percentages, it's pretty irrelevant, what does it matter. We all have our own Shepards and our own ME stories, how does it change that if every one else had romanced Liara with M or F Shep or if you were the only one who have done that.

So, there is no way we can no which gender is really more popular with Liara and in the end, it doesn't even matter IMO.

[Tup3x]

Yuqi wrote...
Back on topic: Why is Mshep always most with Tali/Miranda/Ashly.

I don't know why really. In fact I would be quite sure that Liara would be rather common LI for male Shepard (I'm quite sure that femShep and Liara romance isn't no where near as popular as people believe). My male Shep is pretty much with Liara every time. My main Shep (in avatar) is either "forever alone" or with Kaidan. She and Liara are good friends, though.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:19 .

[jlb524]

kumquats wrote...
Okay, but I kind of agree, there is nothing that's supports the argument that female Shepard and Liara is the more popular romance.
Personaly I think that there are a lot more male Shepards who romanced her.

I'm not sure.  I wouldn't underestimate the amount of people that did the FemShep romance either...the Dragon Age team has commentend on the amount of players that do s/s romances and it's a significant amount (enought to justify making all LIs in DA2 open to both genders, at least).

I'd say there's definitely more MaleShep romances but not 'a lot' more.

I do know that people who are an 'outsider' to a minority group tend to over-estimate the numbers in a minority group when they interact with them (this has a fancy name but I can't remember it now).

kumquats wrote...
The forums are just a samll number of people. Maybe among the regulars the Liara / female Shepard is more popular, but that doesn't mean anything.

It seems to be more popular with a subset of fans that are active in online communities.  If you think about it, there aren't many decent female/female romances in any form of media...people who like that form of romance will be drawn even further into the FemShep/Liara romance emotionally and will be, on average, more active in the fandom (that's my theory at least).

MaleShep/Liara is yet another straight romance and there are many many like it out there...in Mass Effect itself or in other forms of media.

Modifié par jlb524, 10 décembre 2011 - 04:57 .

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...
It seems to be more popular with a subset of fans that are active in online communities.  If you think about it, there aren't many decent female/female romances in any form of media...people who like that form of romance will be drawn even further into the FemShep/Liara romance emotionally and will be, on average, more active in the fandom (that's my theory at least).

MaleShep/Liara is yet another straight romance and there are many many like it out there...in Mass Effect itself or in other forms of media.

I think that's what it really comes down to. With ME1, as of right now, and besides Kelly, she's the only real lesbian romance in the series, and the only full one at that. While someone like Miranda is just a fantasy in a fanfiction, unless you hack the game. So the majority could simply be coming from a lot of male and female gamers who play femshep, and only have one canon option.

But if say Miranda, Ash, Jack, and Tali were available to femshep, I think a lot of those fictions or artwork would be switched to one of them.

While for DA2, since everyone is an option for everyone (besides Seb) I'm willing to bet the fanfiction and art for both straight and non-straight is quite even.

[TMA LIVE]

From my side of things, I play Femshep as a lesbian mainly because I'm not interested in romancing a male character. There are some exceptions where I liked where the romance is going from a story prospective, or could be going from a story perspective, but I just prefer the romance character being a woman. That's just the way it is.

So if I'm playing Femshep, I'm kind of stuck with Liara as the lesbian option, because as of right now, she's the only full option. I don't have much choice in the matter. Which can be bad, since I just finished playing a renegon femshep a few months ago, and I honestly don't think Liara's romance is right for that character. And I'm trying to dramatize it to make it work regardless.

Though I'm not going to speak for every male gamer who plays femshep, I'd say for some it comes down to the same thing. They prefer romancing a female, and Liara's the only option (besides Kelly). Whether they're playing Femshep because they prefer playing a strong female character, or because "girl on girl is hot" is a different debate.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 10 décembre 2011 - 05:47 .

[IndigoWolfe]

TMA LIVE wrote...
Whether they're playing Femshep because they prefer playing a strong female character, or because "girl on girl is hot" is a different debate.

If I were to be completely honest, I would say--based on my own experiences with the crowd-- the ratio is skewed in favor of the latter group by some degree.

My personal inclinations on the subject is that when I romance Liara with a male Shepard, I'm able to conect with it on a more personal level than "I'm romancing a hot blue alien". Indeed, I feel more connected to romances in general when I'm experiencing them while playing with a male character. I mean, don't get me wrong, I can and do still do romances when playing female characters, I just don't connect with them on the same level as I do when with male characters.

Granted, there are certainly exceptions which prove the rule; KOTOR, for instance. I still haven't finished the Bastila romance, but I have Carth's many times. Granted; I have yet to complete that game period with anything other than a female Revan.

[Fiannawolf]

*high fives Indigo* Woot! Female Revan all the way Funny thing is I love the Male Exile and Handmaiden aspect more then Female Exile w/Atton.

My canon is the opposite of Luca$arts version. *grumbles* Well at least I didnt buy that Revan novel, renting it was bad enough, if thats the ending for a Male Rev with Bast then its a damned dissapointing one.

PS Liara is awesome! Well for topic purposes....

[IndigoWolfe]

Fiannawolf wrote...

*high fives Indigo* Woot! Female Revan all the way Funny thing is I love the Male Exile and Handmaiden aspect more then Female Exile w/Atton.

My canon is the opposite of Luca$arts version. *grumbles* Well at least I didnt buy that Revan novel, renting it was bad enough, if thats the ending for a Male Rev with Bast then its a damned dissapointing one.

PS Liara is awesome! Well for topic purposes....

Gah! I know! I actually played K2 numerous times before trying it with a male Exile (Obi-Wan lookalike) and realized it was actually better! (I thought so, anyway) Visas Marr <3

And to keep it on-topic;

[TMA LIVE]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
Whether they're playing Femshep because they prefer playing a strong female character, or because "girl on girl is hot" is a different debate.

If I were to be completely honest, I would say--based on my own experiences with the crowd-- the ratio is skewed in favor of the latter group by some degree.

My personal inclinations on the subject is that when I romance Liara with a male Shepard, I'm able to conect with it on a more personal level than "I'm romancing a hot blue alien". Indeed, I feel more connected to romances in general when I'm experiencing them while playing with a male character. I mean, don't get me wrong, I can and do still do romances when playing female characters, I just don't connect with them on the same level as I do when with male characters.

Granted, there are certainly exceptions which prove the rule; KOTOR, for instance. I still haven't finished the Bastila romance, but I have Carth's many times. Granted; I have yet to complete that game period with anything other than a female Revan.

I definitely agree I feel more connected to the romance if I'm playing a male. Though in my case, I think it's because I'm a male.

However, I know some people have claim they're males, and said they have romanced Liara as a female because they prefer femshep, and thus prefer romancing Liara with that femshep.

So it's different for everyone.

[Tup3x]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
Whether they're playing Femshep because they prefer playing a strong female character, or because "girl on girl is hot" is a different debate.

If I were to be completely honest, I would say--based on my own experiences with the crowd-- the ratio is skewed in favor of the latter group by some degree.

My personal inclinations on the subject is that when I romance Liara with a male Shepard, I'm able to conect with it on a more personal level than "I'm romancing a hot blue alien". Indeed, I feel more connected to romances in general when I'm experiencing them while playing with a male character. I mean, don't get me wrong, I can and do still do romances when playing female characters, I just don't connect with them on the same level as I do when with male characters.

Granted, there are certainly exceptions which prove the rule; KOTOR, for instance. I still haven't finished the Bastila romance, but I have Carth's many times. Granted; I have yet to complete that game period with anything other than a female Revan.

Funny, in my case it's exactly the opposite.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...
From my side of things, I play Femshep as a lesbian mainly because I'm not interested in romancing a male character. There are some exceptions where I liked where the romance is going from a story prospective, or could be going from a story perspective, but I just prefer the romance character being a woman. That's just the way it is.

I feel the same way.

Any attempts at romancing male characters end pretty quickly as I get bored with it.

IndigoWolfe wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
Whether they're playing Femshep because they prefer playing a strong female character, or because "girl on girl is hot" is a different debate.

If I were to be completely honest, I would say--based on my own experiences with the crowd-- the ratio is skewed in favor of the latter group by some degree.

My experience is the opposite of that.  I guess we hang around different crowds.

Modifié par jlb524, 10 décembre 2011 - 06:52 .

[Fiannawolf]

Yea, but still if they ever make a Liara book ala Revan's $$$ tie in, Ill just hide in the corner. Its horrible, esp for those revs who did romance bastila.

I play femshep cause  I like the VO work alot better. After going with Kai 3 times in a row I wanted to try something different and since I never saw Liara's romance I decided to give it a shot after reading some good fanfic about the relationship.

So for me the femshep/liara thing isnt OMG Lez factor, its a choice I wanted to make with other sheps.

Modifié par Fiannawolf, 10 décembre 2011 - 07:17 .

[alex90c]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
Whether they're playing Femshep because they prefer playing a strong female character, or because "girl on girl is hot" is a different debate.

If I were to be completely honest, I would say--based on my own experiences with the crowd-- the ratio is skewed in favor of the latter group by some degree.

I didn't get that impression from my own experiences at all. Quite a few people I know play Mass Effect, and while all of them like Liara none of them once brought up "woo space lesbians" once ever. I mean one of the guys is a pretty big femshep junkie, and when he mentioned romancing Liara it was more "because she's a great character", and even though he's not exactly the maturest of guys he didn't mention the whole space lesbians thing at all.

[TMA LIVE]

But honest, who cares? At the end of the day, is there really anything wrong with too much of this?



Sure, I wish there was more Maleshep/Liara artwork, but does that make this not a sweet picture? I don't think so.

[TMA LIVE]

Same with:



And this:


Though this is nice too.



And this:

[Wulfram]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
Whether they're playing Femshep because they prefer playing a strong female character, or because "girl on girl is hot" is a different debate.

If I were to be completely honest, I would say--based on my own experiences with the crowd-- the ratio is skewed in favor of the latter group by some degree.

I don't think the two things contradict.

Yes, FemShep + Liara is hot.  But you're surely not going to spend hours playing a character you don't like just for a cheap thrill.

[Kaiser Shepard]

TMA LIVE wrote...

But honest, who cares? At the end of the day, is there really anything wrong with too much of this?

Too much of something is by definition a bad thing.

[kumquats]

jlb524 wrote...

kumquats wrote...
Okay, but I kind of agree, there is nothing that's supports the argument that female Shepard and Liara is the more popular romance.
Personaly I think that there are a lot more male Shepards who romanced her.

I'm not sure.  I wouldn't underestimate the amount of people that did the FemShep romance either...the Dragon Age team has commentend on the amount of players that do s/s romances and it's a significant amount (enought to justify making all LIs in DA2 open to both genders, at least).

I'd say there's definitely more MaleShep romances but not 'a lot' more.

I do know that people who are an 'outsider' to a minority group tend to over-estimate the numbers in a minority group when they interact with them (this has a fancy name but I can't remember it now).

The "a lot more" only comes from the 82 % male Shepards overall, but I even thought about the possibility that maybe 50% of them didn't even romance anyone. It's just the only real number I have.
Maybe it's fairly even, who knows?

[kumquats]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

But honest, who cares? At the end of the day, is there really anything wrong with too much of this?

Too much of something is by definition a bad thing.

Too much chocolate is by definition a very good thing.