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The way I see it, she focused her life on avenging Feron, because she felt like she had to do something if she couldn't save him. That despite him being possibly dead, she had to do something, just like she did with Shepard when he was dead. And as Liara says "Yesterday, all I wanted was the chance to avenge his death. Today, he's alive".

But 2 years of work, with no real progress or hope, and needing to be cold changed her.

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TMA LIVE wrote...

The way I see it, she focused her life on avenging Feron, because she felt like she had to do something if she couldn't save him. That despite him being possibly dead, she had to do something, just like she did with Shepard when he was dead. And as Liara says "Yesterday, all I wanted was the chance to avenge his death. Today, he's alive".

But 2 years of work, with no real progress or hope, and needing to be cold changed her.


Couldn't say better. Also killing her mother, watching the Normandy explode, Shepard's death and taking the body changes you too. She went through a lot of crap and how she acts now is a response to it.

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A lot of people comment how she cares so much for Feron and Shepard, yet didn't show the same for her mother. Well, as she said in ME1, apart of her wanted to blame her. And maybe she still did for a while. Then in ME2, she's more defensive about it when you question how she sounds like her mother. But like with Shepard and Feron, she might have been determined to save them, but she hardly expressed why to either of them. Unless Shepard forces her to.

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If she was still the same old innocence perky scientist I would of been disappointed, considering all she went through that changes a person and growth in a character is important.

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priestess of blood wrote...

If she was still the same old innocence perky scientist I would of been disappointed, considering all she went through that changes a person and growth in a character is important.


Which is why I'm wondering whether her personality has changed again for ME3. Since her revenge quest is over and she likes the job of being the shadow broker, we should see a more relaxed Liara in ME3. At least I hope...

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TMA LIVE she does care for her mother. Its shown in me3 when she breaksdown.

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I didn't say she didn't care. I'm just saying in ME1, as she says, apart of her want to blame her own mother for what happened. Then in ME2, she says "But however history remembers her, she got things done", showing she's defending what her mother did. And that she's isn't showing it, because she's holding it back.

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Robhuzz wrote...

priestess of blood wrote...

If she was still the same old innocence perky scientist I would of been disappointed, considering all she went through that changes a person and growth in a character is important.


Which is why I'm wondering whether her personality has changed again for ME3. Since her revenge quest is over and she likes the job of being the shadow broker, we should see a more relaxed Liara in ME3. At least I hope...


Me too.

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I didn't say she didn't care. I'm just
saying in ME1, as she says, apart of her want to blame her own mother
for what happened. Then in ME2, she says "But however history remembers
her, she got things done", showing she's defending what her mother did.
And that she's isn't showing it, because she's holding it back.


Which is fine as long as she lets it all out in ME3, and we get a conclusion seeing how it's the last game in the shepard trilogy (no I haven't read any spoilers in case that tells you)

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Anyway, even in ME1 i wouldn't call her "innocent". Remember that dialogue when she says that she often encountered pirates on dig sites, but that it was "nothing her biotics couldn't handle?" She was already treating violence as something that can be necessary and didn't dwell on it.

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brainless78 wrote...

Anyway, even in ME1 i wouldn't call her "innocent". Remember that dialogue when she says that she often encountered pirates on dig sites, but that it was "nothing her biotics couldn't handle?" She was already treating violence as something that can be necessary and didn't dwell on it.

True, in ME1 she was well, something like socially awkard (can't find a better word). But yeah, she isn't innocent at all, just cheat Liara with Tali and she says she didn't want competition, that's not innocent at all.

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Both mother issue's are resolved, in the script if it is corrrect *shrug*

Her 'not wanting competition' line, has nothing on her eye-roll about mirandaB)

Modifié par Yuqi, 27 décembre 2011 - 04:41 .


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Dariustwinblade wrote...

And no her becoming the SB is very important to the plot. And is not tossed aside.

That remains to be seen.

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jreezy wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

And no her becoming the SB is very important to the plot. And is not tossed aside.

That remains to be seen.


It is, and it isn't.  IF she wasn't the shadow broker then, you wouldn't know about..(Insert Spoiler here)

Modifié par Yuqi, 27 décembre 2011 - 04:50 .


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jreezy wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

And no her becoming the SB is very important to the plot. And is not tossed aside.

That remains to be seen.


- ME 1 Vigil
- ME 1 Sha'ira Quest
- ME 2 LotSB

If LotSB was only there to hint at the Protheans, like in ME1, that's more than enough for me.
Just because they completly ignored that plotline in ME2.
Well, maybe the third Prothean Beacon in ME2, but I'm not sure if that beacon is more an easter egg, than a hint.

Where is the Shadow Broker Guild? I want to join with my blue Twi'lek Tank Aethyta. :P

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kumquats wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

And no her becoming the SB is very important to the plot. And is not tossed aside.

That remains to be seen.


- ME 1 Vigil
- ME 1 Sha'ira Quest
- ME 2 LotSB

If LotSB was only there to hint at the Protheans, like in ME1, that's more than enough for me.
Just because they completly ignored that plotline in ME2.
Well, maybe the third Prothean Beacon in ME2, but I'm not sure if that beacon is more an easter egg, than a hint.

Where is the Shadow Broker Guild? I want to join with my blue Twi'lek Tank Aethyta. :P

I wasn't denying that Liara will be important to the plot, I'm skeptical that her being the Shadow Broker is important to the plot. 

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She wouldn't have access to that information without the SB information Network.

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Her shadow broker network is very important to the war effort.

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kumquats wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

And no her becoming the SB is very important to the plot. And is not tossed aside.

That remains to be seen.


- ME 1 Vigil
- ME 1 Sha'ira Quest
- ME 2 LotSB

If LotSB was only there to hint at the Protheans, like in ME1, that's more than enough for me.
Just because they completly ignored that plotline in ME2.
Well, maybe the third Prothean Beacon in ME2, but I'm not sure if that beacon is more an easter egg, than a hint.

Where is the Shadow Broker Guild? I want to join with my blue Twi'lek Tank Aethyta. :P


It was a hint towards the true origin of the collectors. You see a collector in the ME2 vision whereas you don't see any in ME1. I doubt it was an easter egg or hint to ME3.

I wasn't denying that Liara will be important to the plot, I'm skeptical that her being the Shadow Broker is important to the plot.  


I hope not. I'd still like a chance to crash that ship and bring Liara to the Normandy with Shepard - where she belongs.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 27 décembre 2011 - 06:21 .


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I wouldn't want her to lose the position so easily, even if it meant losing the squadmate position.

Mainly because I don't like her constantly getting setup for something, and then dropping in it after doing the plot point that was needed.

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Yuqi wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

And no her becoming the SB is very important to the plot. And is not tossed aside.

That remains to be seen.


It is, and it isn't.  IF she wasn't the shadow broker then, you wouldn't know about..(Insert Spoiler here)

If that spoiler has anything to do with Mass Effect 3's leaked script it's irrelevant since that's information that isn't supposed to be common knowledge in the first place.

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jreezy wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

And no her becoming the SB is very important to the plot. And is not tossed aside.

That remains to be seen.


It is, and it isn't.  IF she wasn't the shadow broker then, you wouldn't know about..(Insert Spoiler here)

If that spoiler has anything to do with Mass Effect 3's leaked script it's irrelevant since that's information that isn't supposed to be common knowledge in the first place.

 
It's not supposed to be common knowledge alright, but how does that make it irrelevant?
(BTW, i think we should really try to keep the spoilers out of this thread)

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man I keep missing out on huge chunks of conversation... And yes please stop talking about the leaked script.... << I swear we're all gonna know what's gonna happen in ME3 before it's released at this rate

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brainless78 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

And no her becoming the SB is very important to the plot. And is not tossed aside.

That remains to be seen.


It is, and it isn't.  IF she wasn't the shadow broker then, you wouldn't know about..(Insert Spoiler here)

If that spoiler has anything to do with Mass Effect 3's leaked script it's irrelevant since that's information that isn't supposed to be common knowledge in the first place.

 
It's not supposed to be common knowledge alright, but how does that make it irrelevant?
(BTW, i think we should really try to keep the spoilers out of this thread)

Because something that hasn't happened yet isn't a good point to bring up most of the time when talking in present tense terms. 

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TMA LIVE wrote...

I didn't say she didn't care. I'm just saying in ME1, as she says, apart of her want to blame her own mother for what happened. Then in ME2, she says "But however history remembers her, she got things done", showing she's defending what her mother did. And that she's isn't showing it, because she's holding it back.


Then again that can easily be said for many bad people.  You could say the same thing about Saren but that doesn't mean you don't bare him no ill will. Liara cared for her mother but also knows she made a mistake (not all of it was her idea due to indoctrination) Liara sees that her mother wasn't entirely wrong about everything though since you don't get to be a influential and powerful Matriarch like her for nothing. 

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I think I can understand it. She spend years of crap happening to her, and needing to be cold about it. It got to her. It went from saving Feron to just avenging him, in a galaxy soon going to hell. And she had to do it all alone.

I could see this leading to general distress or anger, but I didn't understand her level of hate for the Shadow Broker himself. I was perhaps more confused by the fact that Liara had not previously been a character who reacted to emotional turmoil with anger.


Soooo you're saying that if someone you love/or friend disappeared because some all-knowing mob boss decided to double-cross you.....you wouldn't want to get back at them?

Sure I would. But it didn't seem like Shepard was Liara's sole reason for wanting revenge, and it doesn't hold up with a Shepard who didn't have a strong relationship with her in ME1, or even treated her poorly.

Her revenge was tangled up with Feron, as well, and I didn't understand the strength of her emotion toward him either.