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[Korkki]

Kachie wrote...

man I keep missing out on huge chunks of conversation... And yes please stop talking about the leaked script.... << I swear we're all gonna know what's gonna happen in ME3 before it's released at this rate

Same here, I went to bed last night and it was all quiet in the thread, then I woke up in the morning and quickly checked if there was anything new in here and BAM, like 3 new pages and I was like "What the sh!t???" We're obviously living in wrong time zones

And yes for the 1000th time, please keep the spoilers out of this thread, is it really too much to ask?

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Modifié par Korkki, 27 décembre 2011 - 10:40 .

[TMA LIVE]

Nightwriter wrote...

The_Other_M wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I think I can understand it. She spend years of crap happening to her, and needing to be cold about it. It got to her. It went from saving Feron to just avenging him, in a galaxy soon going to hell. And she had to do it all alone.

I could see this leading to general distress or anger, but I didn't understand her level of hate for the Shadow Broker himself. I was perhaps more confused by the fact that Liara had not previously been a character who reacted to emotional turmoil with anger.

Soooo you're saying that if someone you love/or friend disappeared because some all-knowing mob boss decided to double-cross you.....you wouldn't want to get back at them?

Sure I would. But it didn't seem like Shepard was Liara's sole reason for wanting revenge, and it doesn't hold up with a Shepard who didn't have a strong relationship with her in ME1, or even treated her poorly.

Her revenge was tangled up with Feron, as well, and I didn't understand the strength of her emotion toward him either.

Do you think knowing more about Feron would have helped?

[RampantAndroid]

Robhuzz wrote...

priestess of blood wrote...

If she was still the same old innocence perky scientist I would of been disappointed, considering all she went through that changes a person and growth in a character is important.

Which is why I'm wondering whether her personality has changed again for ME3. Since her revenge quest is over and she likes the job of being the shadow broker, we should see a more relaxed Liara in ME3. At least I hope...

I think you do. See a relaxed/slightly more humuous Liara, that is.

jreezy wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

And no her becoming the SB is very important to the plot. And is not tossed aside.

That remains to be seen.

It isn't dropped in the script. I mean, we don't know the final product, but they cannot simply throw it away. My absolute dislike of the script aside, they don't throw that much stuff away.

As for Vigil, he was mentioned, but powered down...but I see your point. The "there are no reapers" attitude was a setup for ME3.

Nightwriter wrote...

The_Other_M wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I think I can understand it. She spend years of crap happening to her, and needing to be cold about it. It got to her. It went from saving Feron to just avenging him, in a galaxy soon going to hell. And she had to do it all alone.

I could see this leading to general distress or anger, but I didn't understand her level of hate for the Shadow Broker himself. I was perhaps more confused by the fact that Liara had not previously been a character who reacted to emotional turmoil with anger. 

Soooo you're saying that if someone you love/or friend disappeared because some all-knowing mob boss decided to double-cross you.....you wouldn't want to get back at them?

Sure I would. But it didn't seem like Shepard was Liara's sole reason for wanting revenge, and it doesn't hold up with a Shepard who didn't have a strong relationship with her in ME1, or even treated her poorly. 

Her revenge was tangled up with Feron, as well, and I didn't understand the strength of her emotion toward him either.

Don't forget: the SB was working with the collectors, and I believe she knew the collectors were related to the reapers. So that's another motivation.

Modifié par RampantAndroid, 28 décembre 2011 - 07:51 .

[Yuqi]

I wonder if there will be a showdown  if you cheated on Liara, did LOTSB, got back with her, but did not break up with ME2 LI.

A Side Note: (I hunted down the leaked/draft romance dialogue for Liara. (I posted it in the Liara Spoiler group, for those who want to read.)

Modifié par Yuqi, 28 décembre 2011 - 10:41 .

[RampantAndroid]

Yuqi wrote...

I wonder if there will be a showdown  if you cheated on Liara, did LOTSB, got back with her, but did not break up with ME2 LI.

A Side Note: (I hunted down the leaked/draft romance dialogue for Liara. (I posted it in the Liara Spoiler group, for those who want to read.)

Can you link to the group? Given I'm in the main spoiler group I'm curious.

As for cheating...there's not concept so far for cheating, right? Get into romance with Miranda...get to the point where she says she'll drop by, you say yes. Previous LI's protrait is flipped down. Go back to Miranda, say you can't do it, portrait flipped back up. There's only really been the concept of who you're currently with, right?

What happens to the portrait if you get it on with someone else, then do LOTSB and go back with Liara?

[RampantAndroid]

1136342t54 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

1136342t54

1) Again, so what? He tried to sell your corpse to them. Big deal. That doesn't mean he was working for the Reapers.

You do know that Shepard was alive most of ME2 right? He wanted Shepard's body even then LOTSB just made it more convenient for him. 

2) Helping them is not the same thing as working for them. He could be working for them solely to get closer to them to gain more information.

He was doing it so well by giving them the one person who has proven to be a very affective soldier in this fight against the Reapers. Well done.

3) Because before LOSTB is where these judgements are coming from. Example, after LOSTB, we now know the Shadow Broker was selling slaves to the Collectors. We now know he tried to kill Tali. We now know that Wilson was working for the Shadow Broker. But we only knows this after the fact.

Even before LOTSB the SB wanted vital info on the Alliance that they could have sold to any other faction that could easily get people killed. The SB is an information broker that doesn't really care much about casualties unless it gives him the most power and profit.

4) Give me a quote that she says the Shadow Broker is a threat. Tell me where she says it, and I'll get it myself.

basically when she explains that the Shadow Broker is willing to give the Collectors Sheps body? Who's to say he still doesn't want Shepards body to sell? If the Collectors pay the SB enough money he may end up sending assassins after Shep.

5) Again, I don't kill people because "they ain't innocent". I might as well kill Jack then, if that's the case.

Then again you act like the SB is completely innocent of every deal with the Collectors even after the Lazarus project SB still want to sell Shepards corpse to the Collectors.

When you enter the room with the Yahg, he says something like "glad you're here, the deal's still open" right? And the sound files from ME2 pre-LOTSB she explains what the SB was doing (trying to sell you to the collectors, make a deal etc.)

[Genshie]

Some one brought up Liara beating the Shadow Broker alone even if you didn't help her earlier and in this case that isn't a spoiler. Just like if you didn't do Arrival the major core events still happen meaning Shepard is still going to trial regardless if you did the dlc or not. This has been brought up by the bioware several times already so it isn't a spoiler. Now how they deliver in dialogue/cutscene sequence in ME3 the fact that you didn't participate in these events would be consider a spoiler.

[RampantAndroid]

Ryzaki wrote...



Right because LOTSB was when my Shep gave her a hug I had no control over.

http://tinyurl.com/7fpjwdp

Had no control? Really? I just watched an entire playthrough to watch the non-romanced, no paragon action version...and I see nothing to back you up. The CLOSEST you get is Shepard putting a hand on Liara's arm at the end...after which point you can skip the hug, and say goodbye and walk away from her as she looks a bit lost.

Modifié par RampantAndroid, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:45 .

[Yuqi]

@RampantAndroid here is the link to the Liara SPOILER group : http://social.bioware.com/group/5259/
 I have only come across one 'cheating' scenario in the leak. (it's not about liara though) So yes  they do exist.

Modifié par Yuqi, 28 décembre 2011 - 12:31 .

[Korkki]

RampantAndroid wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...



Right because LOTSB was when my Shep gave her a hug I had no control over.

http://tinyurl.com/7fpjwdp

Had no control? Really? I just watched an entire playthrough to watch the non-romanced, no paragon action version...and I see nothing to back you up. The CLOSEST you get is Shepard putting a hand on Liara's arm at the end...after which point you can skip the hug, and say goodbye and walk away from her as she looks a bit lost.

I've seen Ryzaki talking about that Illium cameo a few times, where if romanced, you kiss Liara and If not then you hug. So you can't choose not to hug her, even if your Shepard didn't want to be friends with her. Maybe that was what he/she meant, and that was just kinda sarcastic reply or something... I can be wrong though...

[RampantAndroid]

Korkki wrote...

I've seen Ryzaki talking about that Illium cameo a few times, where if romanced, you kiss Liara and If not then you hug. So you can't choose not to hug her, even if your Shepard didn't want to be friends with her. Maybe that was what he/she meant, and that was just kinda sarcastic reply or something... I can be wrong though...

Then that makes more sense...but if that's what was meant, then a proper sentance like "Except it wasn't in LOTSB where this happened" might have worked a little better.

[Yuqi]

Korkki wrote...

RampantAndroid wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...



Right because LOTSB was when my Shep gave her a hug I had no control over.

http://tinyurl.com/7fpjwdp

Had no control? Really? I just watched an entire playthrough to watch the non-romanced, no paragon action version...and I see nothing to back you up. The CLOSEST you get is Shepard putting a hand on Liara's arm at the end...after which point you can skip the hug, and say goodbye and walk away from her as she looks a bit lost.

I've seen Ryzaki talking about that Illium cameo a few times, where if romanced, you kiss Liara and If not then you hug. So you can't choose not to hug her, even if your Shepard didn't want to be friends with her. Maybe that was what he/she meant, and that was just kinda sarcastic reply or something... I can be wrong though...

But even if you didn't romance her,  shepard does mind-meld with her. So maybe the hug is respect thing? IDK

Is liara not a popular romance, or something?It's like almost every thread disscusiing romance in ME3, has at least one post with Liara hate.

[Dariustwinblade]

In the grand scheme of things according to data. Miranda is the most romanced. As she was created to please casual gamers. Liara is the most romanced in Me1.

Tali has the largest internet population.

[Yuqi]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

In the grand scheme of things according to data. Miranda is the most romanced. As she was created to please casual gamers. Liara is the most romanced in Me1.

Tali has the largest internet population.

I find Miranda insulting, my local  friends who have played ME2 agree.However, that is largely a cultural thing. I wonder if Liara was the most romanced because of ,well.. (As a fan it is hard to say this.) She does throw herself at you in me1..

[Dariustwinblade]

She also appeals to nerds, exotics and casuals. Also avaliable to both genders.

[alex90c]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

In the grand scheme of things according to data. Miranda is the most romanced. As she was created to please casual gamers. Liara is the most romanced in Me1.

Tali has the largest internet population.

How is making a character that is designed to be physically attractive "created to please casual gamers"? Seriously, what?

You could quite easily find the biggest casual gamers going who might find Miranda an ugly, oversexualised sl*t*, and the most hardcore gamers finding her to be better than perfection.

*not my opinion

Modifié par alex90c, 28 décembre 2011 - 02:44 .

[TMA LIVE]

Yuqi wrote...

@RampantAndroid here is the link to the Liara SPOILER group : http://social.bioware.com/group/5259/
 I have only come across one 'cheating' scenario in the leak. (it's not about liara though) So yes  they do exist.

Don't tempt me!:crying::crying:

[Yuqi]

alex90c wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

In the grand scheme of things according to data. Miranda is the most romanced. As she was created to please casual gamers. Liara is the most romanced in Me1.

Tali has the largest internet population.

How is making a character that is designed to be physically attractive "created to please casual gamers"? Seriously, what?

You could quite easily find the biggest casual gamers going who might find Miranda an ugly, oversexualised sl*t*, and the most hardcore gamers finding her to be better than perfection.

*not my opinion

 
Her jumpsuit does. I agree with Liara's eyeroll, when it comes to Miranda. My biggest issue with her is, and always will be, the stero-type lines in her dialouge. 

@ TMALIVE   you saw nothing...

Modifié par Yuqi, 28 décembre 2011 - 03:18 .

[alex90c]

Yuqi wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

In the grand scheme of things according to data. Miranda is the most romanced. As she was created to please casual gamers. Liara is the most romanced in Me1.

Tali has the largest internet population.

How is making a character that is designed to be physically attractive "created to please casual gamers"? Seriously, what?

You could quite easily find the biggest casual gamers going who might find Miranda an ugly, oversexualised sl*t*, and the most hardcore gamers finding her to be better than perfection.

*not my opinion

 
Her jumpsuit does. I agree with Liara's eyeroll, when it comes to Miranda. My biggest issue with her is, and always will be, the stero-type lines in her dialouge. 

@ TMALIVE   you saw nothing...

Her jumpsuit appeals specifically to casual gamers. Are you kidding me.

[jlb524]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

In the grand scheme of things according to data. Miranda is the most romanced. As she was created to please casual gamers. Liara is the most romanced in Me1.

Tali has the largest internet population.

Where are you getting this data from?

RampantAndroid wrote...

http://tinyurl.com/7fpjwdp

Had no control? Really? I just watched an entire playthrough to watch the non-romanced, no paragon action version...and I see nothing to back you up. The CLOSEST you get is Shepard putting a hand on Liara's arm at the end...after which point you can skip the hug, and say goodbye and walk away from her as she looks a bit lost.

She is referring to the Illium hug.

Liara hugs Shepard and you don't have an option to refuse it...so a Shepard that doesn't really like Liara has to be polite, so to speak.

Whereas, in LotSb the hug is initiated by Shepard and you can skip it if you wish.

Modifié par jlb524, 28 décembre 2011 - 04:29 .

[Yuqi]

alex90c wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

In the grand scheme of things according to data. Miranda is the most romanced. As she was created to please casual gamers. Liara is the most romanced in Me1.

Tali has the largest internet population.

How is making a character that is designed to be physically attractive "created to please casual gamers"? Seriously, what?

You could quite easily find the biggest casual gamers going who might find Miranda an ugly, oversexualised sl*t*, and the most hardcore gamers finding her to be better than perfection.

*not my opinion

 
Her jumpsuit does. I agree with Liara's eyeroll, when it comes to Miranda. My biggest issue with her is, and always will be, the stero-type lines in her dialouge. 

@ TMALIVE   you saw nothing...

Her jumpsuit appeals specifically to casual gamers. Are you kidding me.

Nope, golden rule of advertising, Se* sells. That is not why she bothers me personally, so getting back to Liara...


Name your top three Liara  in-game lines.

Mine are,

1-We are not going into that construction site are we? Oh goddess.
2-I'm going to hit him with a *something* so hard; whats left won't even fit into a cofee cup.
3- I can understand the  concept of jealousy

[TMA LIVE]

1-Because... I couldn't let you go.
2-I'll make it simple. Either you pay me, or I flay you alive. With my mind!
3-You mean this body!

[alex90c]

Yuqi wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

In the grand scheme of things according to data. Miranda is the most romanced. As she was created to please casual gamers. Liara is the most romanced in Me1.

Tali has the largest internet population.

How is making a character that is designed to be physically attractive "created to please casual gamers"? Seriously, what?

You could quite easily find the biggest casual gamers going who might find Miranda an ugly, oversexualised sl*t*, and the most hardcore gamers finding her to be better than perfection.

*not my opinion

 
Her jumpsuit does. I agree with Liara's eyeroll, when it comes to Miranda. My biggest issue with her is, and always will be, the stero-type lines in her dialouge. 

@ TMALIVE   you saw nothing...

Her jumpsuit appeals specifically to casual gamers. Are you kidding me.

Nope, golden rule of advertising, Se* sells. 

That's still not casual gamers.

I'm only not letting this go because people pull the whole "herpderp its 4 casual gamers hurrr" crap when it doesn't even make sense. Miranda is designed to be sexually attractive. Her appearance is there to appeal to heterosexual male gamers. Not hardcore gamers. Not casual gamers. Not FPS fans. Not RPG fans. Not puzzle game fans. She is designed to appeal to heterosexual men. NOT CASUAL GAMERS.

Why the f*ck would an attractive character be made to appeal to CASUAL GAMERS specifically?

JESUS F*CKING CHRIST HOW DOES THAT WORK?!

Modifié par alex90c, 28 décembre 2011 - 05:16 .

[jlb524]

alex90c wrote...

Why the f*ck would an attractive character be made to appeal to CASUAL GAMERS specifically?

JESUS F*CKING CHRIST HOW DOES THAT WORK?!

Methinks you need a chill-pill.