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[kumquats]

ladyvader wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I always tell her there's nothing to forgive. "You did the right thing Liara. My mission is important. I wouldn't be able to do it if you haven't been able to give me to Cerberus".

  I have one renegade Shep that told her off at that point.  She said she was sorry more than one, but he didn't care.  But all the others forgave her, espeically the ones that romanced her.

I never want to use the renegade line again, when I romance her. It's so super creepy that Cerberus knows about Shepard/Liara relationship pre Redemption and after LotSB they are watching them.
Ugh, I hope they destroyed all the cameras on the Normandy.

Something blue!

Modifié par kumquats, 13 juillet 2011 - 04:45 .

[Kachie]

kumquats wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I always tell her there's nothing to forgive. "You did the right thing Liara. My mission is important. I wouldn't be able to do it if you haven't been able to give me to Cerberus".

  I have one renegade Shep that told her off at that point.  She said she was sorry more than one, but he didn't care.  But all the others forgave her, espeically the ones that romanced her.

I never want to use the renegade line again, when I romance her. It's so super creepy that Cerberus knows about Shepard/Liara relationship pre Redemption and after LotSB they are watching them.
Ugh, I hope they destroyed all the cameras on the Normandy.

One can only hope. Something's gonna go down though, if TIM is involved in ME3

[InfoGuy101]

Do you think there will maybe be a mission in ME3 where Cerberus some how manage to capture your LI to lure you out, since they are using by the looks of it all means possible to get Shepard?

Modifié par InfoGuy101, 13 juillet 2011 - 04:56 .

[kumquats]

InfoGuy101 wrote...

Do you think there will maybe be a mission in ME3 where Cerberus some how manage to capture your LI to lure you out, since they are using by the looks of it all means possible to get Shepard?

Not really I would feel like a cliché with my manShep. Why don't LI come to Shepards rescue, it would be so much more fun.
But I would feel bad for the Shepards without a LI.

[Kadzin]

Kachie wrote...

kumquats wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I always tell her there's nothing to forgive. "You did the right thing Liara. My mission is important. I wouldn't be able to do it if you haven't been able to give me to Cerberus".

  I have one renegade Shep that told her off at that point.  She said she was sorry more than one, but he didn't care.  But all the others forgave her, espeically the ones that romanced her.

I never want to use the renegade line again, when I romance her. It's so super creepy that Cerberus knows about Shepard/Liara relationship pre Redemption and after LotSB they are watching them.
Ugh, I hope they destroyed all the cameras on the Normandy.

One can only hope. Something's gonna go down though, if TIM is involved in ME3

He's gonna upload Shepard and Liara's sex tape to the Mass Internet and make tons of cash.
He is an evil mastermind indeed.

[Robhuzz]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I always tell her there's nothing to forgive. "You did the right thing Liara. My mission is important. I wouldn't be able to do it if you haven't been able to give me to Cerberus".

I've never even used the renegade line there. Bottom line is: Shepard is alive thanks to Liara, no matter how you look at it. Sure he's forced to work with Cerberus for now, but imo it beats being dead and experimented upon by the Collectors.

Also am I the only one who hates that line because even when in a romance, Shepard only talks about the mission? I'd have expected this discussion to be just a wee bit more personal. 

ETA: Renegade Liara image is awesome! A little weird, yes. But awesome!

Do you think there will maybe be a mission in ME3 where Cerberus some how manage to capture your LI to lure you out, since they are using by the looks of it all means possible to get Shepard?

I don't think Cerberus' goal is capturing Shepard at this point. They seem to want him dead. Thankfully Shepard and all his squad members can take care of themselves so there's nothing to worry about. I doubt we'll have to worry about someone being taken by Cerberus and Shepard having to rescue them. Maybe Kai Leng will try something brave before his bullet riddled body leaves through an airlock but no way to know about that until march next year...

Modifié par Robhuzz, 13 juillet 2011 - 05:58 .

[InfoGuy101]

kumquats wrote...
Not really I would feel like a cliché with my manShep. Why don't LI come to Shepards rescue, it would be so much more fun.
But I would feel bad for the Shepards without a LI.

Yeah it would be nice to sit back and let the LI do the work lol.

I agree it is a bit cliche but if done right it could get the emotions going, also it's fun sometime to take the chiche route as there are reasons why certain story elements are used a lot lol.

[InfoGuy101]

Robhuzz wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I always tell her there's nothing to forgive. "You did the right thing Liara. My mission is important. I wouldn't be able to do it if you haven't been able to give me to Cerberus".

I've never even used the renegade line there. Bottom line is: Shepard is alive thanks to Liara, no matter how you look at it. Sure he's forced to work with Cerberus for now, but imo it beats being dead and experimented upon by the Collectors.

Also am I the only one who hates that line because even when in a romance, Shepard only talks about the mission? I'd have expected this discussion to be just a wee bit more personal. 

ETA: Renegade Liara image is awesome! A little weird, yes. But awesome!

Do you think there will maybe be a mission in ME3 where Cerberus some how manage to capture your LI to lure you out, since they are using by the looks of it all means possible to get Shepard?

I don't think Cerberus' goal is capturing Shepard at this point. They seem to want him dead. Thankfully Shepard and all his squad members can take care of themselves so there's nothing to worry about. I doubt we'll have to worry about someone being taken by Cerberus and Shepard having to rescue them. Maybe Kai Leng will try something brave before his bullet riddled body leaves through an airlock but no way to know about that until march next year...

I didn't say capture Shepard just  the LI  to lure him out to a situation that suit them to kill him because you could technically throw almost a army of goons at Shepard and he will make it through lol. I agree that nearly all the squad mate's can handle themselves  without Shepard but they do have weaknesses that Cerberus could know about that they could  exploit to get them alone eg. Garrus's family, Miranda's sister etc.

[Kadzin]

InfoGuy101 wrote...

I didn't say capture Shepard just  the LI  to lure him out to a situation that suit them to kill him because you could technically throw almost a army of goons at Shepard and he will make it through lol. I agree that nearly all the squad mate's can handle themselves  without Shepard but they do have weaknesses that Cerberus could know about that they could  exploit to get them alone eg. Garrus's family, Miranda's sister etc.

While I wouldn't mind doing an LI rescue, I really hope Bioware doesn't decide to kill off Shepard's current LI for "drammatic effect" during that mission. That would suck real hard

[InfoGuy101]

Kadzin wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

I didn't say capture Shepard just  the LI  to lure him out to a situation that suit them to kill him because you could technically throw almost a army of goons at Shepard and he will make it through lol. I agree that nearly all the squad mate's can handle themselves  without Shepard but they do have weaknesses that Cerberus could know about that they could  exploit to get them alone eg. Garrus's family, Miranda's sister etc.

While I wouldn't mind doing an LI rescue, I really hope Bioware doesn't decide to kill off Shepard's current LI for "drammatic effect" during that mission. That would suck real hard

Yeah that would really really suck so I hope that doesn't happen or if the situation does come up you can "take the bullet" for them. 

[f1r3storm]

Kadzin wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

I didn't say capture Shepard just  the LI  to lure him out to a situation that suit them to kill him because you could technically throw almost a army of goons at Shepard and he will make it through lol. I agree that nearly all the squad mate's can handle themselves  without Shepard but they do have weaknesses that Cerberus could know about that they could  exploit to get them alone eg. Garrus's family, Miranda's sister etc.

While I wouldn't mind doing an LI rescue, I really hope Bioware doesn't decide to kill off Shepard's current LI for "drammatic effect" during that mission. That would suck real hard

What keeps my hope up that they won't have a forced LI death is that they spoke about a "rewarding experience" when you stay faithful. A forced LI death wouldn't be very rewarding to me. In fact, i'd throw the disc out of the window if they pull that off.

[Kadzin]

f1r3storm wrote...

Kadzin wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

I didn't say capture Shepard just  the LI  to lure him out to a situation that suit them to kill him because you could technically throw almost a army of goons at Shepard and he will make it through lol. I agree that nearly all the squad mate's can handle themselves  without Shepard but they do have weaknesses that Cerberus could know about that they could  exploit to get them alone eg. Garrus's family, Miranda's sister etc.

While I wouldn't mind doing an LI rescue, I really hope Bioware doesn't decide to kill off Shepard's current LI for "drammatic effect" during that mission. That would suck real hard

What keeps my hope up that they won't have a forced LI death is that they spoke about a "rewarding experience" when you stay faithful. A forced LI death wouldn't be very rewarding to me. In fact, i'd throw the disc out of the window if they pull that off.

Another thing that I wouldn't want (but some would for some reason) is to have another Virmire like situation, where you're forced to lose a squad member. To me that's the pinacle of bad design, you shouldn't be forced to lose anyone unless it's the consequence of your actions, that's why I think ME2 got that part right.

I am hopeful however that Bioware would do the right thing.

Offtopic: http://www.joystiq.c...-at-riot-games/

[HogarthHughes 3]

Kadzin wrote...

Another thing that I wouldn't want (but some would for some reason) is to have another Virmire like situation, where you're forced to lose a squad member. To me that's the pinacle of bad design, you shouldn't be forced to lose anyone unless it's the consequence of your actions, that's why I think ME2 got that part right.

I am hopeful however that Bioware would do the right thing.

Offtopic: http://www.joystiq.c...-at-riot-games/

Pinnacle of bad design?  Virmire was the best mission from ME, in pacing, story, and gameplay.  ME2's "Suicide Mission" was a joke.  When the entire premise is that survival of anyone is unlikely, to have everyone easily make it through ruins it.  The fact that we can only lose people through bad decisions negates much of the emotional impact.  The existence of the "perfect" ending where everyone lives cheapens the sacrifices made, as the player knows that those losses were not at all necessary.

I agree though that there shouldn't be squad member deaths that we have no control over.  More choices like Virmire however would be fantastic, where losses are mandatory but the player can decide who lives and dies.

*edit - The "renegade Liara" picture is pretty awesome, though the red eyes are rather silly.  No more silly than Shepard having red eyes perhaps, but then again he/she is a cyborg.

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 13 juillet 2011 - 08:19 .

[ZeroCrewX]

InfoGuy101 wrote...

Do you think there will maybe be a mission in ME3 where Cerberus some how manage to capture your LI to lure you out, since they are using by the looks of it all means possible to get Shepard?

I hope not. If this happens, when Im done with them they are going to wish they were never born, not to mention I'll go on a blood hazing death spree for ANYTHING having Cerberus logo on it, the galaxy is going to be a lot emptier when Im done. Will 100% end up torturing and brutally murdering every single person working for cerberus without exception.

Yeah... Im very vengeful and protective if someone close to me is hurt... Turn into a mindless blood-thirsty monster if someone touches someone I care about..

[Kadzin]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Kadzin wrote...

Another thing that I wouldn't want (but some would for some reason) is to have another Virmire like situation, where you're forced to lose a squad member. To me that's the pinacle of bad design, you shouldn't be forced to lose anyone unless it's the consequence of your actions, that's why I think ME2 got that part right.

I am hopeful however that Bioware would do the right thing.

Offtopic: http://www.joystiq.c...-at-riot-games/

Pinnacle of bad design?  Virmire was the best mission from ME, in pacing, story, and gameplay.  ME2's "Suicide Mission" was a joke.  When the entire premise is that survival of anyone is unlikely, to have everyone easily make it through ruins it.  The fact that we can only lose people through bad decisions negates much of the emotional impact.  The existence of the "perfect" ending where everyone lives cheapens the sacrifices made, as the player knows that those losses were not at all necessary.

I agree though that there shouldn't be squad member deaths that we have no control over.  More choices like Virmire however would be fantastic, where losses are mandatory but the player can decide who lives and dies.

Personally I disagree, Virmire irritates me to no end and that's why I always do the mission last. Like I said, in my oppinion killing a squad member for drammatic effect is annoying, especially when there is choice between two involved, it's the same in DA2, As someone mentioned that the content for a Hawke sibling was made for one character and then split between carver and bethany resulting in mediocre impact on the game and being outright abscent for like 2/3 of the game. Virmire is the same, I never liked Kaidan or Ashley much, because they felt stock and bland, and losing one of them was more annoying then tragic. Don't get me wrong, dramatic deaths are cool and characters like Anderson would make an excelent scene out of it, I would hate to lose that character even if he isn't your squadmate. So I disagree that loses are mandatory, they should be there only if you allow it, otherwise it feels like the devs were lazy with the content and to cut it they kill off a character.

[InfoGuy101]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

Do you think there will maybe be a mission in ME3 where Cerberus some how manage to capture your LI to lure you out, since they are using by the looks of it all means possible to get Shepard?

I hope not. If this happens, when Im done with them they are going to wish they were never born, not to mention I'll go on a blood hazing death spree for ANYTHING having Cerberus logo on it, the galaxy is going to be a lot emptier when Im done. Will 100% end up torturing and brutally murdering every single person working for cerberus without exception.

Yeah... Im very vengeful and protective if someone close to me is hurt... Turn into a mindless blood-thirsty monster if someone touches someone I care about..

Well people have been asking for Shepard to show more emotion, so that would be a good cue for even paragon Shepard to show some anger. 

Imagion Liara get's taken during  mission and you have to pick between going after her or completing the mission. Lots of possiblities I think.

[Kadzin]

InfoGuy101 wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

Do you think there will maybe be a mission in ME3 where Cerberus some how manage to capture your LI to lure you out, since they are using by the looks of it all means possible to get Shepard?

I hope not. If this happens, when Im done with them they are going to wish they were never born, not to mention I'll go on a blood hazing death spree for ANYTHING having Cerberus logo on it, the galaxy is going to be a lot emptier when Im done. Will 100% end up torturing and brutally murdering every single person working for cerberus without exception.

Yeah... Im very vengeful and protective if someone close to me is hurt... Turn into a mindless blood-thirsty monster if someone touches someone I care about..

Well people have been asking for Shepard to show more emotion, so that would be a good cue for even paragon Shepard to show some anger. 

Imagion Liara get's taken during  mission and you have to pick between going after her or completing the mission. Lots of possiblities I think.

Don't want to sound selfish, but I'd go after Liara every single time

[f1r3storm]

Kadzin wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

Do you think there will maybe be a mission in ME3 where Cerberus some how manage to capture your LI to lure you out, since they are using by the looks of it all means possible to get Shepard?

I hope not. If this happens, when Im done with them they are going to wish they were never born, not to mention I'll go on a blood hazing death spree for ANYTHING having Cerberus logo on it, the galaxy is going to be a lot emptier when Im done. Will 100% end up torturing and brutally murdering every single person working for cerberus without exception.

Yeah... Im very vengeful and protective if someone close to me is hurt... Turn into a mindless blood-thirsty monster if someone touches someone I care about..

Well people have been asking for Shepard to show more emotion, so that would be a good cue for even paragon Shepard to show some anger. 

Imagion Liara get's taken during  mission and you have to pick between going after her or completing the mission. Lots of possiblities I think.

Don't want to sound selfish, but I'd go after Liara every single time

This.

[ZeroCrewX]

InfoGuy101 wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

Do you think there will maybe be a mission in ME3 where Cerberus some how manage to capture your LI to lure you out, since they are using by the looks of it all means possible to get Shepard?

I hope not. If this happens, when Im done with them they are going to wish they were never born, not to mention I'll go on a blood hazing death spree for ANYTHING having Cerberus logo on it, the galaxy is going to be a lot emptier when Im done. Will 100% end up torturing and brutally murdering every single person working for cerberus without exception.

Yeah... Im very vengeful and protective if someone close to me is hurt... Turn into a mindless blood-thirsty monster if someone touches someone I care about..

Well people have been asking for Shepard to show more emotion, so that would be a good cue for even paragon Shepard to show some anger. 

Imagion Liara get's taken during  mission and you have to pick between going after her or completing the mission. Lots of possiblities I think.

Anger? My Paragon Shepard would instantly become a 18927142987124point Renegade MONSTER if Liara was taken or even threatened. Yeah - go after Liara every single time. When everyone else forgot about Shepard she never gave up, I would never give up on her no matter the cost. Simple.

[Kadzin]

Just replayed LotSB as an adept.
Double Singularity is OP.

[HogarthHughes 3]

InfoGuy101 wrote...

Well people have been asking for Shepard to show more emotion, so that would be a good cue for even paragon Shepard to show some anger. 

Imagion Liara get's taken during  mission and you have to pick between going after her or completing the mission. Lots of possiblities I think.

I hope they don't have any choices along the lines of "save squadmate x at the cost of 1000 innocent lives."  Might as well make the character death mandatory then.

[Kadzin]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

Well people have been asking for Shepard to show more emotion, so that would be a good cue for even paragon Shepard to show some anger. 

Imagion Liara get's taken during  mission and you have to pick between going after her or completing the mission. Lots of possiblities I think.

I hope they don't have any choices along the lines of "save squadmate x at the cost of 1000 innocent lives."  Might as well make the character death mandatory then.

I don't understand people who think that the only way to bring out emotional response in players is to kill somebody off, sure it does bring out emotions in some, but most of the time it pisses people off.

And your reasoning by itself seems to just kill someone off for the sake of killing someone off, I don't understand it.

[HogarthHughes 3]

Kadzin wrote...

I don't understand people who think that the only way to bring out emotional response in players is to kill somebody off, sure it does bring out emotions in some, but most of the time it pisses people off.

And your reasoning by itself seems to just kill someone off for the sake of killing someone off, I don't understand it.

My reasoning for that decision is different.  I'm saying that by giving us such a BS choice, they might as well just kill the character off.  To choose between one relatively unimportant life (in the grand scheme of things) and many innocent lives would be a non-choice.  At least so long as Shepard isn't selfish to the point of being evil.  Think about it, a good example of this would be Morinth.  She chose to flee from a life of self-restraint and seclusion, which is understandable, but in doing so she condemned innocents to death for her own personal gain.  1000 innocents would have their own relationships which are just as important to them as Shepards relationships.

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 13 juillet 2011 - 09:46 .

[Robhuzz]

InfoGuy101 wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

Do you think there will maybe be a mission in ME3 where Cerberus some how manage to capture your LI to lure you out, since they are using by the looks of it all means possible to get Shepard?

I hope not. If this happens, when Im done with them they are going to wish they were never born, not to mention I'll go on a blood hazing death spree for ANYTHING having Cerberus logo on it, the galaxy is going to be a lot emptier when Im done. Will 100% end up torturing and brutally murdering every single person working for cerberus without exception.

Yeah... Im very vengeful and protective if someone close to me is hurt... Turn into a mindless blood-thirsty monster if someone touches someone I care about..

Well people have been asking for Shepard to show more emotion, so that would be a good cue for even paragon Shepard to show some anger. 

Imagion Liara get's taken during  mission and you have to pick between going after her or completing the mission. Lots of possiblities I think.

That would go down as the easiest decision in ME3. Of course I'll go after Liara. There's plenty of planets and people of all races to go around so if a planet gets wiped out because Shepard was selfish enough to save Liara, then I don't really care. The hardest part of this ordeal would be the decision whether or not I'll check youtube for a vid about what happens to Liara if I don't go after her....