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[Kadzin]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Kadzin wrote...

I don't understand people who think that the only way to bring out emotional response in players is to kill somebody off, sure it does bring out emotions in some, but most of the time it pisses people off.

And your reasoning by itself seems to just kill someone off for the sake of killing someone off, I don't understand it.

My reasoning for that decision is different.  I'm saying that by giving us such a BS choice, they might as well just kill the character off.  To choose between one relatively unimportant life (in the grand scheme of things) and many innocent lives would be a non-choice.  At least so long as Shepard isn't selfish to the point of being evil.  Think about it, a good example of this would be Morinth.  She chose to flee from a life of self-restraint and seclusion, which is understandable, but in doing so she condemned innocents to death for her own personal gain.  1000 innocents would have their own relationships which are just as important to them as Shepards relationships.

Except Morinth chose to be evil and actually gives you enough of a reason to kill her when you get the chance, not to mention that she is a completely new character that we basicly know nothing about or care much for.
Her death didn't bring out any emotions, she deserved it, and felt bad for Samara a bit, but not enough to make me care for Samara either, because I personally find her bland.
Liara is different, I am not going to explain it because I will end up with another wall of text.

[ZeroCrewX]

Robhuzz wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

Do you think there will maybe be a mission in ME3 where Cerberus some how manage to capture your LI to lure you out, since they are using by the looks of it all means possible to get Shepard?

I hope not. If this happens, when Im done with them they are going to wish they were never born, not to mention I'll go on a blood hazing death spree for ANYTHING having Cerberus logo on it, the galaxy is going to be a lot emptier when Im done. Will 100% end up torturing and brutally murdering every single person working for cerberus without exception.

Yeah... Im very vengeful and protective if someone close to me is hurt... Turn into a mindless blood-thirsty monster if someone touches someone I care about..

Well people have been asking for Shepard to show more emotion, so that would be a good cue for even paragon Shepard to show some anger. 

Imagion Liara get's taken during  mission and you have to pick between going after her or completing the mission. Lots of possiblities I think.

That would go down as the easiest decision in ME3. Of course I'll go after Liara. There's plenty of planets and people of all races to go around so if a planet gets wiped out because Shepard was selfish enough to save Liara, then I don't really care. The hardest part of this ordeal would be the decision whether or not I'll check youtube for a vid about what happens to Liara if I don't go after her....

Yeah I get you there, would 100% go after Liara, but would probably block internet access so Im not tempted to spoil other possible outcomes

[InfoGuy101]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

Do you think there will maybe be a mission in ME3 where Cerberus some how manage to capture your LI to lure you out, since they are using by the looks of it all means possible to get Shepard?

I hope not. If this happens, when Im done with them they are going to wish they were never born, not to mention I'll go on a blood hazing death spree for ANYTHING having Cerberus logo on it, the galaxy is going to be a lot emptier when Im done. Will 100% end up torturing and brutally murdering every single person working for cerberus without exception.

Yeah... Im very vengeful and protective if someone close to me is hurt... Turn into a mindless blood-thirsty monster if someone touches someone I care about..

Well people have been asking for Shepard to show more emotion, so that would be a good cue for even paragon Shepard to show some anger. 

Imagion Liara get's taken during  mission and you have to pick between going after her or completing the mission. Lots of possiblities I think.

That would go down as the easiest decision in ME3. Of course I'll go after Liara. There's plenty of planets and people of all races to go around so if a planet gets wiped out because Shepard was selfish enough to save Liara, then I don't really care. The hardest part of this ordeal would be the decision whether or not I'll check youtube for a vid about what happens to Liara if I don't go after her....

Yeah I get you there, would 100% go after Liara, but would probably block internet access so Im not tempted to spoil other possible outcomes

Also it doesn't have to win lose situation, there are different way you could do it like say. You pick whether to take your whole team with you to get Liara or tell the rest of the team to carry on the mission and you go solo after Liara which make's going after Liara harder but your team can still get the job done. They can even throw in that pick a team leader thing they did at the end of ME2.

[ZeroCrewX]

InfoGuy101 wrote...

Also it doesn't have to win lose situation, there are different way you could do it like say. You pick whether to take your whole team with you to get Liara or tell the rest of the team to carry on the mission and you go solo after Liara which make's going after Liara harder but your team can still get the job done. They can even throw in that pick a team leader thing they did at the end of ME2.

And depending on variables maybe the other team can suffer a casualty?

[Kadzin]

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[InfoGuy101]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

Also it doesn't have to win lose situation, there are different way you could do it like say. You pick whether to take your whole team with you to get Liara or tell the rest of the team to carry on the mission and you go solo after Liara which make's going after Liara harder but your team can still get the job done. They can even throw in that pick a team leader thing they did at the end of ME2.

And depending on variables maybe the other team can suffer a casualty?

No worries there If I put Garrus incharge they'll make it  unless you wanna get rid of  someone lol. It should also determine if the mission fails or not I think, depending on who you choose.

[UJN]

Robhuzz wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

Do you think there will maybe be a mission in ME3 where Cerberus some how manage to capture your LI to lure you out, since they are using by the looks of it all means possible to get Shepard?

I hope not. If this happens, when Im done with them they are going to wish they were never born, not to mention I'll go on a blood hazing death spree for ANYTHING having Cerberus logo on it, the galaxy is going to be a lot emptier when Im done. Will 100% end up torturing and brutally murdering every single person working for cerberus without exception.

Yeah... Im very vengeful and protective if someone close to me is hurt... Turn into a mindless blood-thirsty monster if someone touches someone I care about..

Well people have been asking for Shepard to show more emotion, so that would be a good cue for even paragon Shepard to show some anger. 

Imagion Liara get's taken during  mission and you have to pick between going after her or completing the mission. Lots of possiblities I think.

That would go down as the easiest decision in ME3. 

Indeed. If the mission is important Liara wouldn't make it, my Shepard would kill himself after saving the universe and I would never ever play the game again.

[Kadzin]

UJN wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

Do you think there will maybe be a mission in ME3 where Cerberus some how manage to capture your LI to lure you out, since they are using by the looks of it all means possible to get Shepard?

I hope not. If this happens, when Im done with them they are going to wish they were never born, not to mention I'll go on a blood hazing death spree for ANYTHING having Cerberus logo on it, the galaxy is going to be a lot emptier when Im done. Will 100% end up torturing and brutally murdering every single person working for cerberus without exception.

Yeah... Im very vengeful and protective if someone close to me is hurt... Turn into a mindless blood-thirsty monster if someone touches someone I care about..

Well people have been asking for Shepard to show more emotion, so that would be a good cue for even paragon Shepard to show some anger. 

Imagion Liara get's taken during  mission and you have to pick between going after her or completing the mission. Lots of possiblities I think.

That would go down as the easiest decision in ME3. 

Indeed. If the mission is important Liara wouldn't make it, my Shepard would kill himself after saving the universe and I would never ever play the game again.

You could always write a fanfic on how it should have happened xD

[Robhuzz]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

InfoGuy101 wrote...

Also it doesn't have to win lose situation, there are different way you could do it like say. You pick whether to take your whole team with you to get Liara or tell the rest of the team to carry on the mission and you go solo after Liara which make's going after Liara harder but your team can still get the job done. They can even throw in that pick a team leader thing they did at the end of ME2.

And depending on variables maybe the other team can suffer a casualty?

Pretty much. Though I will say all team members are super soldiers in their own way and shouldn't need Shepard to survive. Comparing ME to DA for a second however, it does look like Shepard has an invisible sustained ability that's always active. Making everyone around him sort of immortal and impossible to fail. I'm not convinced other squaddies could pull of a very high profile mission without him to be quite honest. So while Shepard goes after Liara, I wouldn't be comfortable having Kaidan or Ashley lead the rest of the team into battle.

UJN wrote...
Indeed. If the mission is important Liara wouldn't make it, my Shepard would kill himself after saving the universe and I would never ever play the game again.

You don't HAVE to be a role model hero who sacrifices himself or his loved ones to serve the greater good you know? Sometimes it's okay to be completely selfish and let a few people die to save yourself or those around you. Liara will understand/uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28008.gif

Modifié par Robhuzz, 13 juillet 2011 - 01:52 .

[HogarthHughes 3]

Kadzin wrote...

Except Morinth chose to be evil and actually gives you enough of a reason to kill her when you get the chance, not to mention that she is a completely new character that we basicly know nothing about or care much for.
Her death didn't bring out any emotions, she deserved it, and felt bad for Samara a bit, but not enough to make me care for Samara either, because I personally find her bland.
Liara is different, I am not going to explain it because I will end up with another wall of text.

I didn't say Liara is evil, I'm saying Shepard would have to be evil to choose saving her over 1000 innocents (unless she were somehow critical to stopping the Reapers).  I'm not advocating for any specific character's death here, Bioware shouldn't stick us with such a choice in the first place.  A decision like choosing between Tali or the Migrant Fleet would be complete and utter bullcrap.  Shepard spent a decade in the armed forces, I would think that he/she would have learned to place the needs of the many above the needs of the few, especially his/her own.

If the sacrifices made were relatively equal however, that is another thing entirely.  Victory over the Reapers coming at personal cost to Shepard wouldn't be a bad thing (So long as the player could decide who lives and dies).  Such sacrifices helps to validate the strength of the enemy, better maintains a bit of realism in the story (it is supposed to be a desperate war for survival), and would make victory all that much sweeter.

InfoGuy101 wrote...
Also it doesn't have to win lose situation, there are different way you could do it like say. You pick whether to take your whole team with you to get Liara or tell the rest of the team to carry on the mission and you go solo after Liara which make's going after Liara harder but your team can still get the job done. They can even throw in that pick a team leader thing they did at the end of ME2.

Stuff like this would be great, it allows for both decisions to actually be reasonable choices.

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 13 juillet 2011 - 03:32 .

[Kadzin]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Kadzin wrote...

Except Morinth chose to be evil and actually gives you enough of a reason to kill her when you get the chance, not to mention that she is a completely new character that we basicly know nothing about or care much for.
Her death didn't bring out any emotions, she deserved it, and felt bad for Samara a bit, but not enough to make me care for Samara either, because I personally find her bland.
Liara is different, I am not going to explain it because I will end up with another wall of text.

I didn't say Liara is evil, I'm saying Shepard would have to be evil to choose saving her over 1000 innocents (unless she were somehow critical to stopping the Reapers).  I'm not advocating for any specific character's death here, Bioware shouldn't stick us with such a choice in the first place.  A decision like choosing between Tali or the Migrant Fleet would be complete and utter bullcrap.  Shepard spent a decade in the armed forces, I would think that he/she would have learned to place the needs of the many above the needs of the few, especially his/her own.

If the sacrifices made were relatively equal however, that is another thing entirely.  Victory over the Reapers coming at personal cost to Shepard wouldn't be a bad thing (So long as the player could decide who lives and dies).  Such sacrifices helps to validate the strength of the enemy, better maintains a bit of realism in the story (it is supposed to be a desperate war for survival), and would make victory all that much sweeter.

Oh Reginald! I disagree!

[Kachie]

You know, as much as we all here love Liara, and none of us would want to see her get hurt/die...

The fact that Shepard him/herself said that they would have to make sacrifices to win this war... The bahak system is just a start. It's going to get ugly, and I hope it will actually feel desperate this time.

Desperation is suppose to be the main theme behind this whole war against the reapers. As badass as Shepard is, and s/he really really is a badass, Shepard is no God and cannot come out 100% unscathed.

The bit on Virmire is a prime example. It was suppose to be an emotional impact, though some didn't feel a thing (First time I played ME1 and Wrex died I actually just left Ashley to rot because she pissed me off with that), and at the same time it's suppose to show you cannot be everywhere at once, and you cannot save EVERYONE.

People die in situations like this in the real world, and raging at Bioware if someone dies, INCLUDING a LI (and as much as I would be pissed/upset/hurt if Liara died), I wouldn't exactly rage at Bioware for it either. Above all else, you have to save the Galaxy, that is the point behind this game. We aren't spending 120 hours behind it to be like, "My LI or BFF died screw the galaxy." Not to mention your LI wouldn't want you to just give up right then and there, they'd want you to finish the mission, they'd want you to save the rest of the galaxy. At least I know Liara would want that

As much as I DO NOT WANT to see someone I've come to enjoy on my team, or my LI, to die.... you know I couldn't exactly hate the game or Bioware if it happened either, because to m it'd bring me further into the game, and it would feel like a personal loss, but at the same time give me a reason to shove everything up the Reaper's airlock (aka ass)

Modifié par Kachie, 13 juillet 2011 - 04:01 .

[Kadzin]

Kachie wrote...

You know, as much as we all here love Liara, and none of us would want to see her get hurt/die...

The fact that Shepard him/herself said that they would have to make sacrifices to win this war... The bahak system is just a start. It's going to get ugly, and I hope it will actually feel desperate this time.

Desperation is suppose to be the main theme behind this whole war against the reapers. As badass as Shepard is, and s/he really really is a badass, Shepard is no God and cannot come out 100% unscathed.

The bit on Virmire is a prime example. It was suppose to be an emotional impact, though some didn't feel a thing (First time I played ME1 and Wrex died I actually just left Ashley to rot because she pissed me off with that), and at the same time it's suppose to show you cannot be everywhere at once, and you cannot save EVERYONE.

People die in situations like this in the real world, and raging at Bioware if someone dies, INCLUDING a LI (and as much as I would be pissed/upset/hurt if Liara died), I wouldn't exactly rage at Bioware for it either. Above all else, you have to save the Galaxy, that is the point behind this game. We aren't spending 120 hours behind it to be like, "My LI or BFF died screw the galaxy." Not to mention your LI wouldn't want you to just give up right then and there, they'd want you to finish the mission, they'd want you to save the rest of the galaxy. At least I know Liara would want that

As much as I DO NOT WANT to see someone I've come to enjoy on my team, or my LI, to die.... you know I couldn't exactly hate the game or Bioware if it happened either, because to m it'd bring me further into the game, and it would feel like a personal loss, but at the same time give me a reason to shove everything up the Reaper's airlock (aka ass)

I do not share your desposition on the matter, to be perfectly honest I don't care if Bioware decides to stuff the whole squad out the airlock, I do not care much for them I kinda like Garrus Tali Joker and Legion and I'd feel bad for losing them but the rest of the squad can go, but I am sure as hell will be pissed at Bioware for killing off Liara because she is my faorite character on par with Shepard, and in my oppinion one of the main characters important to the series. As I said before sacrifices can be made in a different matter it doesn't have to be squadmates. I likes the choice at the end of ME1, let the council die and save human lives, or attack and lose human lives but save the council, I honestly thought it was a tough descision unlike Virmire, it didn't see so forced to me.I am not saying I will hate ME3 if Liara kicks the bucket, no I am sure I will enjoy the game up to that point, but the rest of the experience would be incomplete, and I would not enjoy it as much as I would have. It's kind of a slap in the face imo, you spend all this time with Liara, getting to know her better, developing a relationship and a bond with her, and then when your relationship with her is the strongest you kill her off

Anyway It's just my oppinion though. Sigh I told you it would be a wall of text [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

[kumquats]

Kachie wrote...

You know, as much as we all here love Liara, and none of us would want to see her get hurt/die...

The fact that Shepard him/herself said that they would have to make sacrifices to win this war... The bahak system is just a start. It's going to get ugly, and I hope it will actually feel desperate this time.

Desperation is suppose to be the main theme behind this whole war against the reapers. As badass as Shepard is, and s/he really really is a badass, Shepard is no God and cannot come out 100% unscathed.

The bit on Virmire is a prime example. It was suppose to be an emotional impact, though some didn't feel a thing (First time I played ME1 and Wrex died I actually just left Ashley to rot because she pissed me off with that), and at the same time it's suppose to show you cannot be everywhere at once, and you cannot save EVERYONE.

People die in situations like this in the real world, and raging at Bioware if someone dies, INCLUDING a LI (and as much as I would be pissed/upset/hurt if Liara died), I wouldn't exactly rage at Bioware for it either. Above all else, you have to save the Galaxy, that is the point behind this game. We aren't spending 120 hours behind it to be like, "My LI or BFF died screw the galaxy." Not to mention your LI wouldn't want you to just give up right then and there, they'd want you to finish the mission, they'd want you to save the rest of the galaxy. At least I know Liara would want that

As much as I DO NOT WANT to see someone I've come to enjoy on my team, or my LI, to die.... you know I couldn't exactly hate the game or Bioware if it happened either, because to m it'd bring me further into the game, and it would feel like a personal loss, but at the same time give me a reason to shove everything up the Reaper's airlock (aka ass)

I think it all depends on what you are playing. My Paragon would sacrafice himself and his LI. Paragons never make hard choices, it's time for them to bleed a little in ME3.
As for my Renegade I would be extremly annoyed with Virmire 2.0 or if I'm not able to save Liara. My Renegade made a lot of heartbreaking choices, why take the only good thing away from her? I would start screaming at my PC.

[Kachie]

kumquats wrote...

Kachie wrote...

You know, as much as we all here love Liara, and none of us would want to see her get hurt/die...

The fact that Shepard him/herself said that they would have to make sacrifices to win this war... The bahak system is just a start. It's going to get ugly, and I hope it will actually feel desperate this time.

Desperation is suppose to be the main theme behind this whole war against the reapers. As badass as Shepard is, and s/he really really is a badass, Shepard is no God and cannot come out 100% unscathed.

The bit on Virmire is a prime example. It was suppose to be an emotional impact, though some didn't feel a thing (First time I played ME1 and Wrex died I actually just left Ashley to rot because she pissed me off with that), and at the same time it's suppose to show you cannot be everywhere at once, and you cannot save EVERYONE.

People die in situations like this in the real world, and raging at Bioware if someone dies, INCLUDING a LI (and as much as I would be pissed/upset/hurt if Liara died), I wouldn't exactly rage at Bioware for it either. Above all else, you have to save the Galaxy, that is the point behind this game. We aren't spending 120 hours behind it to be like, "My LI or BFF died screw the galaxy." Not to mention your LI wouldn't want you to just give up right then and there, they'd want you to finish the mission, they'd want you to save the rest of the galaxy. At least I know Liara would want that

As much as I DO NOT WANT to see someone I've come to enjoy on my team, or my LI, to die.... you know I couldn't exactly hate the game or Bioware if it happened either, because to m it'd bring me further into the game, and it would feel like a personal loss, but at the same time give me a reason to shove everything up the Reaper's airlock (aka ass)

I think it all depends on what you are playing. My Paragon would sacrafice himself and his LI. Paragons never make hard choices, it's time for them to bleed a little in ME3.
As for my Renegade I would be extremly annoyed with Virmire 2.0 or if I'm not able to save Liara. My Renegade made a lot of heartbreaking choices, why take the only good thing away from her? I would start screaming at my PC.

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I agree. Killing of Liara would ****** me off to no end, but I wouldn't take it out on the game or Bioware either (odd and more patient this way).

My renegade (and main shepard) has made a lot of choices and changes BECAUSE of Liara, and Liara has been the one good thing to enter my Shepards life (the way I rp the game and so forth), and if she was yanked away, there is no doubt in my mind that my Shepard would snap and sacrifice more then is needed to stop the Reapers. But by that point it would be more on revenge, then saving the galaxy

[Robhuzz]

Kachie wrote...

You know, as much as we all here love Liara, and none of us would want to see her get hurt/die...

The fact that Shepard him/herself said that they would have to make sacrifices to win this war... The bahak system is just a start. It's going to get ugly, and I hope it will actually feel desperate this time.

Desperation is suppose to be the main theme behind this whole war against the reapers. As badass as Shepard is, and s/he really really is a badass, Shepard is no God and cannot come out 100% unscathed.

The bit on Virmire is a prime example. It was suppose to be an emotional impact, though some didn't feel a thing (First time I played ME1 and Wrex died I actually just left Ashley to rot because she pissed me off with that), and at the same time it's suppose to show you cannot be everywhere at once, and you cannot save EVERYONE.

People die in situations like this in the real world, and raging at Bioware if someone dies, INCLUDING a LI (and as much as I would be pissed/upset/hurt if Liara died), I wouldn't exactly rage at Bioware for it either. Above all else, you have to save the Galaxy, that is the point behind this game. We aren't spending 120 hours behind it to be like, "My LI or BFF died screw the galaxy." Not to mention your LI wouldn't want you to just give up right then and there, they'd want you to finish the mission, they'd want you to save the rest of the galaxy. At least I know Liara would want that

As much as I DO NOT WANT to see someone I've come to enjoy on my team, or my LI, to die.... you know I couldn't exactly hate the game or Bioware if it happened either, because to m it'd bring me further into the game, and it would feel like a personal loss, but at the same time give me a reason to shove everything up the Reaper's airlock (aka ass)

I pretty much agree with this here statement. Virmire did the trick when it came to an emotional moment for me though. First time I got to Virmire I had no clue what was about to happen, and when I figured I could only save either Kaidan OR Ashley (didn't hate any character back then) I really had to turn my sound off for a while and think. Hell, I think it took me 10 minutes before I finally decided I'd save Kaidan. And that was only because he was with Capt. Kirrahe and the rest of the salarians. I figured I'd save Kaidan + salarians.

So yeah, Virmire was a hard moment for me back then but that was okay. I'd say there should me more tense moments like this. I am, however, firmly against simply killing off a squadmember. So no scripted death for any character plz.
I'd hate to do the mission we saw in the E3 demo (Going up against that crap like Reaper) only to destroy it in the end but lose a squad member in the process. I do not mind if Liara can die in ME3, would finally thin out the Liara haters a little, as long as there are good ways to prevent it. I for one would have no trouble sacrificing a star system (even a human one) in order to save Liara.

[Kachie]

Robhuzz wrote...

Kachie wrote...

You know, as much as we all here love Liara, and none of us would want to see her get hurt/die...

The fact that Shepard him/herself said that they would have to make sacrifices to win this war... The bahak system is just a start. It's going to get ugly, and I hope it will actually feel desperate this time.

Desperation is suppose to be the main theme behind this whole war against the reapers. As badass as Shepard is, and s/he really really is a badass, Shepard is no God and cannot come out 100% unscathed.

The bit on Virmire is a prime example. It was suppose to be an emotional impact, though some didn't feel a thing (First time I played ME1 and Wrex died I actually just left Ashley to rot because she pissed me off with that), and at the same time it's suppose to show you cannot be everywhere at once, and you cannot save EVERYONE.

People die in situations like this in the real world, and raging at Bioware if someone dies, INCLUDING a LI (and as much as I would be pissed/upset/hurt if Liara died), I wouldn't exactly rage at Bioware for it either. Above all else, you have to save the Galaxy, that is the point behind this game. We aren't spending 120 hours behind it to be like, "My LI or BFF died screw the galaxy." Not to mention your LI wouldn't want you to just give up right then and there, they'd want you to finish the mission, they'd want you to save the rest of the galaxy. At least I know Liara would want that

As much as I DO NOT WANT to see someone I've come to enjoy on my team, or my LI, to die.... you know I couldn't exactly hate the game or Bioware if it happened either, because to m it'd bring me further into the game, and it would feel like a personal loss, but at the same time give me a reason to shove everything up the Reaper's airlock (aka ass)

I pretty much agree with this here statement. Virmire did the trick when it came to an emotional moment for me though. First time I got to Virmire I had no clue what was about to happen, and when I figured I could only save either Kaidan OR Ashley (didn't hate any character back then) I really had to turn my sound off for a while and think. Hell, I think it took me 10 minutes before I finally decided I'd save Kaidan. And that was only because he was with Capt. Kirrahe and the rest of the salarians. I figured I'd save Kaidan + salarians.

So yeah, Virmire was a hard moment for me back then but that was okay. I'd say there should me more tense moments like this. I am, however, firmly against simply killing off a squadmember. So no scripted death for any character plz.
I'd hate to do the mission we saw in the E3 demo (Going up against that crap like Reaper) only to destroy it in the end but lose a squad member in the process. I do not mind if Liara can die in ME3, would finally thin out the Liara haters a little, as long as there are good ways to prevent it. I for one would have no trouble sacrificing a star system (even a human one) in order to save Liara.

Oh yes, my Shepard would do anything to get Liara back, no doubt. Actually I'm writing a fanfic along those lines right now. It's all AU now but similar concept.

[PMC65]

If Liara can die in ME3 ... Bioware would make it optional.

Whether I would choose that option would depend on the how, where and why.

If it felt true to the story that I am telling than I would play it through and cry as she dies.

[ZeroCrewX]

Mmmm all these blue beautiful pics make me wanna watch the vid I made for Liara, seriously her eyes are super addictive wouldnt everyone agree? It's like mesmerizing how gorgeous they are

[ZeroCrewX]

Kachie wrote...

kumquats wrote...

Kachie wrote...

You know, as much as we all here love Liara, and none of us would want to see her get hurt/die...

The fact that Shepard him/herself said that they would have to make sacrifices to win this war... The bahak system is just a start. It's going to get ugly, and I hope it will actually feel desperate this time.

Desperation is suppose to be the main theme behind this whole war against the reapers. As badass as Shepard is, and s/he really really is a badass, Shepard is no God and cannot come out 100% unscathed.

The bit on Virmire is a prime example. It was suppose to be an emotional impact, though some didn't feel a thing (First time I played ME1 and Wrex died I actually just left Ashley to rot because she pissed me off with that), and at the same time it's suppose to show you cannot be everywhere at once, and you cannot save EVERYONE.

People die in situations like this in the real world, and raging at Bioware if someone dies, INCLUDING a LI (and as much as I would be pissed/upset/hurt if Liara died), I wouldn't exactly rage at Bioware for it either. Above all else, you have to save the Galaxy, that is the point behind this game. We aren't spending 120 hours behind it to be like, "My LI or BFF died screw the galaxy." Not to mention your LI wouldn't want you to just give up right then and there, they'd want you to finish the mission, they'd want you to save the rest of the galaxy. At least I know Liara would want that

As much as I DO NOT WANT to see someone I've come to enjoy on my team, or my LI, to die.... you know I couldn't exactly hate the game or Bioware if it happened either, because to m it'd bring me further into the game, and it would feel like a personal loss, but at the same time give me a reason to shove everything up the Reaper's airlock (aka ass)

I think it all depends on what you are playing. My Paragon would sacrafice himself and his LI. Paragons never make hard choices, it's time for them to bleed a little in ME3.
As for my Renegade I would be extremly annoyed with Virmire 2.0 or if I'm not able to save Liara. My Renegade made a lot of heartbreaking choices, why take the only good thing away from her? I would start screaming at my PC.

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I agree. Killing of Liara would ****** me off to no end, but I wouldn't take it out on the game or Bioware either (odd and more patient this way).

My renegade (and main shepard) has made a lot of choices and changes BECAUSE of Liara, and Liara has been the one good thing to enter my Shepards life (the way I rp the game and so forth), and if she was yanked away, there is no doubt in my mind that my Shepard would snap and sacrifice more then is needed to stop the Reapers. But by that point it would be more on revenge, then saving the galaxy

I agree with these points! My personal um.. way of rping the game so to speak, is that throughout so many years, so many hardships, there was ONE person who was always there, even when he/she was dead, that person never gave up, risked their life to bring him/her back, and always, ALWAYS was there to support him/her. 
So screw the Reapers, screw the galaxy, the reason MY Shepard is fighting is Liara, the only thing that makes him go on is to secure a safe future for THE TWO OF THEM. Liara and Shepard have always had a connection, romance or not, there was always something, and it is something special instead of "OMFG U ARE WIT CERBERUS NAO I HATE YOU I FORGOT EVERYTHING U DID FOR ME I HAS GO REPORT TO ALLIANCE NAO FU!"

That said, my own tribute to their love is in my sig.

[Kachie]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

Kachie wrote...

kumquats wrote...

Kachie wrote...

You know, as much as we all here love Liara, and none of us would want to see her get hurt/die...

The fact that Shepard him/herself said that they would have to make sacrifices to win this war... The bahak system is just a start. It's going to get ugly, and I hope it will actually feel desperate this time.

Desperation is suppose to be the main theme behind this whole war against the reapers. As badass as Shepard is, and s/he really really is a badass, Shepard is no God and cannot come out 100% unscathed.

The bit on Virmire is a prime example. It was suppose to be an emotional impact, though some didn't feel a thing (First time I played ME1 and Wrex died I actually just left Ashley to rot because she pissed me off with that), and at the same time it's suppose to show you cannot be everywhere at once, and you cannot save EVERYONE.

People die in situations like this in the real world, and raging at Bioware if someone dies, INCLUDING a LI (and as much as I would be pissed/upset/hurt if Liara died), I wouldn't exactly rage at Bioware for it either. Above all else, you have to save the Galaxy, that is the point behind this game. We aren't spending 120 hours behind it to be like, "My LI or BFF died screw the galaxy." Not to mention your LI wouldn't want you to just give up right then and there, they'd want you to finish the mission, they'd want you to save the rest of the galaxy. At least I know Liara would want that

As much as I DO NOT WANT to see someone I've come to enjoy on my team, or my LI, to die.... you know I couldn't exactly hate the game or Bioware if it happened either, because to m it'd bring me further into the game, and it would feel like a personal loss, but at the same time give me a reason to shove everything up the Reaper's airlock (aka ass)

I think it all depends on what you are playing. My Paragon would sacrafice himself and his LI. Paragons never make hard choices, it's time for them to bleed a little in ME3.
As for my Renegade I would be extremly annoyed with Virmire 2.0 or if I'm not able to save Liara. My Renegade made a lot of heartbreaking choices, why take the only good thing away from her? I would start screaming at my PC.

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I agree. Killing of Liara would ****** me off to no end, but I wouldn't take it out on the game or Bioware either (odd and more patient this way).

My renegade (and main shepard) has made a lot of choices and changes BECAUSE of Liara, and Liara has been the one good thing to enter my Shepards life (the way I rp the game and so forth), and if she was yanked away, there is no doubt in my mind that my Shepard would snap and sacrifice more then is needed to stop the Reapers. But by that point it would be more on revenge, then saving the galaxy

I agree with these points! My personal um.. way of rping the game so to speak, is that throughout so many years, so many hardships, there was ONE person who was always there, even when he/she was dead, that person never gave up, risked their life to bring him/her back, and always, ALWAYS was there to support him/her. 
So screw the Reapers, screw the galaxy, the reason MY Shepard is fighting is Liara, the only thing that makes him go on is to secure a safe future for THE TWO OF THEM. Liara and Shepard have always had a connection, romance or not, there was always something, and it is something special instead of "OMFG U ARE WIT CERBERUS NAO I HATE YOU I FORGOT EVERYTHING U DID FOR ME I HAS GO REPORT TO ALLIANCE NAO FU!"

That said, my own tribute to their love is in my sig.

xD Yes I've commented on your video that's in your sig -leylaashley-. Anyways, ya my Shepard is fighting for and becuase of Liara but she's also trying to see the good in the galaxy THROUGH Liara. If there's this one amazing person, who's to say there's not more like her (not the my Shep would be with anyone else despite)?

But ya, everyone has different view points on it

[ladyvader]

ZeroCrewX wrote..
I agree with these points! My personal um.. way of rping the game so to speak, is that throughout so many years, so many hardships, there was ONE person who was always there, even when he/she was dead, that person never gave up, risked their life to bring him/her back, and always, ALWAYS was there to support him/her. 
So screw the Reapers, screw the galaxy, the reason MY Shepard is fighting is Liara, the only thing that makes him go on is to secure a safe future for THE TWO OF THEM. Liara and Shepard have always had a connection, romance or not, there was always something, and it is something special instead of "OMFG U ARE WIT CERBERUS NAO I HATE YOU I FORGOT EVERYTHING U DID FOR ME I HAS GO REPORT TO ALLIANCE NAO FU!"

That said, my own tribute to their love is in my sig.

I agree with what your saying.  Liara is the reason Shep is still fighting.  I did one game with Liara not being the LI and when she asked what Shep was fighting for.  I think that time I picked revenge.  Shepard made a comment to Liara about working with Cerberus and telling him not to work with them.  (Dang it, forgot exactly how is phrased)  Liara's reply was I gave you to them.  I trust you to keep your morals.  It sounded very simular to what Chakwas said when you spoke to her the first time.

[Kachie]

Lezlie.Shep wrote...

I like how you guys are working conflicting situations into ME3.

Rescue Liara from Cerberus or Destroy the Reapers
Capitalize an opportunity to kill TIM or Assist Liara in defending herself from Cerberus
Take a bullet for Liara or Take the kill shot on Harbinger

...that's all I can think of right now. Add to the list?

Well in a situation like take a bullet for Liara or the kill shot on Harbinger, or the Reapers in general would result in either way Liara may die..

If she takes a bullet she may live, on the other hand take a bullet and lose whatever chance you get at stopping Harbinger, the galaxy is ****ed anyways o.O