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[Han Shot First]

PMC65 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Meh. I don't understand the Feron jealousy personally.

Shepard was dead. Who Liara hooked up with in that time is of no consequence, as it wasn't cheating, and would have been healthier than just wallowing in self-pity and depression for two years. I'm not saying that is what happened while Shepard was dead, just that if that was written into Liara & Feron's backstory it shouldn't be a cause for homicidal rage.

Likewise Feron falling for Liara after his rescue shouldn't be cause for stalker rage either. So long as Liara doesn't reciprocate, what would Shepard have to be jealous about?

In my headcanon Liara did find comfort while Shepard was "dead" though not with Feron ... and Shepard would understand even though she would feel a slight jealousy.

But now that Shepard is back, if Feron were to try and move in on Liara that would not be good. But it would be funny if Bioware did make that happen and then Shepard could have an option to be jealous with Liara putting Shepard at ease ... reaffirming that Liara loves Shepard not Feron.

Why should the triangle always be centered around Shepard?

I don't think Liara was with Feron. If that had been the case it would have been brought up in LotSB, but I do think it is a bit more realistic (and healthy) if Liara did date a person or two during that two year span while Shepard was dead. So I guess my personal head canon is similar to yours.

[Ajosraa]

about Feron...

Personally I never had a problem with him. Im ok with Liara having other friends too;P Personally I think some get threatened by him as a romantic rival, when that dosent have to be the case.

From the comics, it would make sence for them to have some friendly connection (Liara and Feron), and hell, I wouldent mind having Feron over with me and Liara for a party or something, He did indirectly save my shep's life too afterall. Also, Feron in ME2 seemed to have a good attitude when you talked to him. Also i never got the feeling of Feron as a romantic threat anyway. She may go to him if you reject her, but Shepard is plan A in her mind, is what im saying.

Edit: I think her kinda blind seeming dedication to find Feron is a bit indicitive of Liara's dedication to her friends in general, and may come off as romantic to us imo.

Modifié par Ajosraa, 10 février 2012 - 08:43 .

[Ajosraa]

Lol, I have to share this picture;P

[Yuqi]

 @PMC  LOl those pics haha.
I admit on renegade playthroughs, Its good to ask questions in LOTSB.

Does anyone else find the facebook game tacky?

[Han Shot First]

[hollow22_]

Yuqi wrote...

 @PMC  LOl those pics haha.
I admit on renegade playthroughs, Its good to ask questions in LOTSB.

Does anyone else find the facebook game tacky?

you know what PMC?? I love your "Yes" pic and it would be nice if Liara remembers him that she can crush his bones as she did thrice (bad spelling¿?) in Redemption if I remember well, if he tries something with her (if romanced Liara)...

for unromanced Liara... mmm does that exist??:devil:

Edit:

Liara: Are you suggesting something Feron??
Feron: Ehmm nooope, It's in your mind that I'm here dating you to a Thessian restaurant and giving you flowers...
Liara: Oww yeah.. as if I trust you...<_<<_< Shepard!!! What you're doing here??
Shep: Looking for my blue alien...shall we go dinner?? and WHAT are those flowers?
Liara: Eh.. well... Feron tried to date me... Wait!! what ya doing Shepard??
Shepard: I'm gonna crush his bones right here!! Come on join me, in fact I know you feel better when you hit him, like you did those 2 years when you tried to rescue my body....
Feron: Wait no! This is a mistake!! I've never trie....ARGHH
Liara and Shepard: DOUBLE SINGULARITY!!! SHEPAARD PUNCH!!
Shepard: Well I think we shall get some coffe cups...:devil:

Modifié par hollow22_, 10 février 2012 - 12:20 .

[VarrenSoldier]

Liara made it clear to Feron that she was, as we say, taken.

[da hizz nizz 3]

VarrenSoldier wrote...

Liara made it clear to Feron that she was, as we say, taken.

I'd still kill him. I take no chances with my Liara. Shep should've just left him in the chair.
Still when I don't romance Liara then Feron's ok. I just don't like drell in general

Modifié par da hizz nizz 3, 10 février 2012 - 02:33 .

[Turbo_J]

You just don't get how dedicated she really is to Shep; Friend or Romanced, but specifically the latter.

Not only would it be unlikely she would consider seeing anyone while morning Sheps death, because of what I've gathered in my play time, I don't think she will move on after he/she dies permanently either: if Sheps actually do die within the normal human lifespan. And I also don't think it would make her a lesser character. It boils down to choice, and the fact that she probably wouldn't want to put someone in a position to compete with the savior of the galaxy. She may be a crazy obsessive, but she's also very selfless when it comes to people she cares about... at any expense to others, unfortunately for them.

Liara in ME2 is almost what some would view as an obsessive compulsive personality. It may simply be a combination of her youth, the very quick whirlwind of romantic feelings for someone (an alien at that) she just met, and going from a scientist on solitary archeological digs to a front line war with Saren and Geth.

Losing Shep so soon was not in her plan, even if she had no idea what that plan may have been at the time. Her obsession turned into dedication and she went above and beyond all logic and reason to selfishly get back what she lost; and she did it at almost any cost. Both selfish and selfless at the same time - the latter focused obsessively on Shep. Her guilt for some of this has made her nasty.

Feron was an enemy turned associate. It never got beyond that, nor did she fully trust him. Once Shep was in the hands of Cerberus, she had no focus, so what did she do to bury the pain and loss? She obsessed over taking down the Shadow Broker for what he tried to do to Shep and what he did do to Feron; Feron was more of an extra excuse, not the main reason. It may have seemed he was but it was, in my opinion, more to deflect sorrow for losing Shep. The Shadow Broker was just the victim of the void Shep left as well; to bad for him. When Liara found out Feron was alive and that the trip to Hagalaz could be a rescue, it turned into an obsession to save him, again to push off the avalanche of emotions that could have turned her into a puddle of sobbing blue. Her dead friend(who she secretly loves)/Bond Mate was not so dead anymore and was 2 feet from her...

You can replace obsession with non romantic 'passion' or 'dedication', as Liara seems to go above and beyond for the people she deems are a part of her inner circle; few as they are. I like to think she actually acquired this trait from ME1 Shepard.

Although her focus on Feron was an annoyance to my FemShep, she began to understand how Liara works - she gets so super focused on things of the moment, she tends to alienate those around her for the duration of whatever it is she's locked on to. This seems to be a progression of her social awkwardness, though not a healthy one. Hopefully, if romanced, when things calm down, she'll put a little more of that intensity into her and Sheps relationship.

Another note: Liara is no longer a Maiden. If you pay attention to her diatribe in ME1, the stages are not determined by age, they are determined by experience and attitude. I think during the comic and the first part of LotSB, she began to change. This could account for her ridiculous behavior as well; we just don't really know Asari, as Shep or an observer. Although aesthetically her look is just a retcon, it kind of helps looking at it as a jump point form Maiden to Matron.

[Xilizhra]

I suspect Feron's been punished enough already, if any punishment was necessary.

And I do agree with you, Turbo, except I'm wondering why you think Liara's no longer a maiden.

[Turbo_J]

Experience and attitude shape Asari; War, Love (or unrequited love), Personal conflict, Personal Loss; Liara has been thrust into maturing at an exponential rate. She may be 108 - 109 in a few months, but she aint a kid anymore. She has also adopted some of the human psyche regarding the behaviors of a short live species; some from melding (truely bonding with Shep if romanced which from my understanging does not happen for most Asari untill they are 300+), some from loss; Mom, Shep, Her old calm life... She's a bit of a bully now herslef too. lol

Edited for clarity.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 10 février 2012 - 03:09 .

[Xilizhra]

I... think the stages are biological and physiological, not mental. She's certainly quite mature for a maiden, but I believe she still is one.

[Deventh]

@Turbo_J Yet another great comment! Exactly how i feel. +1

[Mecha3]

Han Shot First wrote...

YUM!<3

[Turbo_J]

Edit: forgot this:

biochemical and physiological - not biological,  but given melding has a lot to do with early maturity, I say the mental state has much more to do with an early progression in stages than is mentioned.

Just rememer - my sig is more than a quote. It's my position on everything I type.

From the Codex: The Matron stage of life begins around the age of 350, though it
can be triggered earlier if the individual melds frequently. This period
is marked by a desire to settle in one area and raise children.


My Shep is a nimph. Liara is a Matron and I want little blue children. My FemShep's personal desires asside, if in Liara's mind shep won't live long enough for her to meet the physical age of the status quo, she will adapt for Shep. We all know based on the codex it CAN happen, and we all know Liara would do ANYTHING for Shep. Period.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 10 février 2012 - 03:48 .

[kumquats]

Deventh wrote...

@Turbo_J Yet another great comment! Exactly how i feel. +1

I'll second that.

[Xilizhra]

My Shep is a nimph. Liara is a Matron and I want little blue children. My FemShep's personal desires asside, if in Liara's mind shep won't live long enough for her to meet the physical age of the status quo, she will adapt for Shep. We all know based on the codex it CAN happen, and we all know Liara would do ANYTHING for Shep. Period.

Actually, I think maidens can have children, it's just that the matrons are the ones who most frequently desire to. I mean, fifteen-year-old humans can have children most of the time, but very few of them want to.

[Turbo_J]

Xilizhra wrote...

My Shep is a nimph. Liara is a Matron and I want little blue children. My FemShep's personal desires asside, if in Liara's mind shep won't live long enough for her to meet the physical age of the status quo, she will adapt for Shep. We all know based on the codex it CAN happen, and we all know Liara would do ANYTHING for Shep. Period.

Actually, I think maidens can have children, it's just that the matrons are the ones who most frequently desire to. I mean, fifteen-year-old humans can have children most of the time, but very few of them want to.

Matron: This period is marked by a desire to settle in one area and raise children.

After 40 (sexual maturity by what accounts there are of it in-game) you have to move away from our concepts of time and physical age. Asari are not human. Time is very different for them; and as the codex explains (however minimal) stages are not inextricably tied to phyhsical age or even mental maturity. As soon as an Asari bonds to have children, they are no longer madin by deffinition... and they can't have accidents when it comes to pregnancy because they themselves conciously create the pregnancy. They are NOT human.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 10 février 2012 - 04:09 .

[Deventh]

FemShep trailer is here yey!

[Srefanius]

We had it with maleshep, but today is femshep friday...

Modifié par Srefanius, 10 février 2012 - 06:02 .

[Turbo_J]

I'm pretty happy about this, period, but the fact she looks almost like my canon is even cooler.

[da hizz nizz 3]

Deventh wrote...

FemShep trailer is here yey!

Holy ****. Femshep is BADASS!!!
This is the first time I've actually wanted to play as her

Modifié par da hizz nizz 3, 10 février 2012 - 06:17 .

[PMC65]

Turbo_J wrote...

You just don't get how dedicated she really is to Shep; Friend or Romanced, but specifically the latter.

This made me laugh and remind me why I initially stopped posting on the ME2 thread .... taking a character hostage. But then I took a step back and realized that I may have misunderstood this line ... knee-jerk if you will.

I appreciate that we all see Liara in our own shades of crayon ... hearing different viewpoints is why I come here.

But in my headcanon I do see Liara trying to find comfort as she lives without Shepard those two years and part of that included dalliances without emotion. Did any of it work? No. It just left her more cold and bitter.

Will Liara move on after Shepard dies? Yes. But she will never forget EW Shepard.

That is in my EW and Liara world alone ... I have my own view of Liara as scribbled in A Thessian's Whisper.

If other players want to roleplay differently then I am cool with that and won't require them to see Liara or their Shepard/Liara relationship the same as I do.

I know one player who is RP'ing that Liara & Feron are having an affair ... If it adds a layer to his story and enjoyment no skin off my nose. I'm curious to see how ME3 moves his story along.

[Turbo_J]

Moving on and moving forward are two different things. The Liara character has a difficult time with the former. It is hard to say what 'she' would do after Shep dies, but I do see it as moving forward more than moving on. I conclude this based on her personality and the way Asari view relationships. Sheps affected her differently though I think - messed her up for all those to follow, if you will. It's that damn melding business... brain virus maybe.

That being said, one of my Sheps who romanced her in ME1 hates her beyond reason for handing her to Cerberus. and she will pay for what she's done!



For the record, the rest adore her. I just wanted one LI changeup for ME3 to see where it goes.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 10 février 2012 - 07:45 .

[Deventh]

Oh, you disappointed me there. How can anyone hate this...

Modifié par Deventh, 10 février 2012 - 08:28 .