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[Han Shot First]

The entire ME1 crew is tight. They'd have to be considering what they all went through together.

I think it just boils down to some players wanting to headcanon certain characters being disliked, because they (the player) hates that character. But just because a player feels a certain way, doesn't mean characters on the squad feel the same way. That applies to Shepard as well. Shepard for example mourns the loss of Kaidan or Ashley on Virmire, whether or not the player hated the character that died.

[B33ker]

ladyvader wrote...
That is why I find it surprising when I was here last night and read that they didn't think Liara was good friends with Tali or Garrus.  I think she becames friends with everyone on the Normandy.  I also think Shepard is her best friend.  LI or not.  Liara cares deeply for Shepard.

You don't do something like this unless you care for someone, on a level deeper than most will ever know.

[kumquats]

So I played the Demo on Insanity with an Adept and an Engineer and to my surprise, Liara worked very well with an Engineer. o.O
Singularity is back baby, it's a very powerful skill even on high difficulty with a very short CD.
My strategie was to pull some Enemies with Singularity and plant my Turret in the middle (the Turret was like a little flame thrower). They had no chance!

Adept was a disappointment.

And again I have no idea what to do with Garrus. Tomorrow I try the Sentinel and Vanguard. ^^

[Han Shot First]

Adept was a disappointment.

Isn't Liara an adept?

Just curious why the class was a disappointment, since I'd think Liara would have the same abilities as a player adept.

[ladyvader]

B33ker wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
That is why I find it surprising when I was here last night and read that they didn't think Liara was good friends with Tali or Garrus.  I think she becames friends with everyone on the Normandy.  I also think Shepard is her best friend.  LI or not.  Liara cares deeply for Shepard.

You don't do something like this unless you care for someone, on a level deeper than most will ever know.

I know.  She was worried that Shepard would hate her for giving his/her body to Cerberus.  You can't blame her for that.  Even if you renegade Liara during her cameo on Illium.  You can still see how much she cares for Shepard.  Out of 11 Shepard's 5 are with Liara and only my tool femShep was unfaithful.  That is why I call her a tool.  I can't say that about the VS because of what they said to Shep on Horizon.  Lot of patching up between Shep and VS.  You can tell there is some unresolved issues between them in the demo.

[ladyvader]

Han Shot First wrote...

Adept was a disappointment.

Isn't Liara an adept?

Just curious why the class was a disappointment, since I'd think Liara would have the same abilities as a player adept.

Their basic skills are the same, but the Adept has lift gerandes and Liara doesn't.  So far I like 5 of the 6 classes.  I sucked at vanguard in ME2 and sucked more in the demo.  That is on me not the class.  I only have one vanguard Shep anyway.  Where I have 2 soldiers, adepts, and engineers.

[Eclipse merc]

ladyvader wrote...

Eclipse merc wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Anyone who wonders how it is that certains squadmates can be friends, such as Liara and Wrex, need only refer to Henry V:

And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Combat & shared hardships have a way of forging bonds that are much like the bonds between family members.

Yeah, you'd get close to people you're saving the galaxy with.

That is why I find it surprising when I was here last night and read that they didn't think Liara was good friends with Tali or Garrus.  I think she becames friends with everyone on the Normandy.  I also think Shepard is her best friend.  LI or not.  Liara cares deeply for Shepard.

4th page in a row since I've been back.  WTH?  

Too bad most of the original Normandy crew got spaced >.>

Damn your first page post magikcz

[SinnSly]

ladyvader wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Adept was a disappointment.

Isn't Liara an adept?

Just curious why the class was a disappointment, since I'd think Liara would have the same abilities as a player adept.

Their basic skills are the same, but the Adept has lift gerandes and Liara doesn't.  So far I like 5 of the 6 classes.  I sucked at vanguard in ME2 and sucked more in the demo.  That is on me not the class.  I only have one vanguard Shep anyway.  Where I have 2 soldiers, adepts, and engineers.

I love being a Vanguard but the heavy melee was a disapointment...

[Eclipse merc]

Han Shot First wrote...

Adept was a disappointment.

Isn't Liara an adept?

Just curious why the class was a disappointment, since I'd think Liara would have the same abilities as a player adept.

Almost the same, Liara has Stasis and Shepard has shockwave and I think some other stuff.

I liked the Adept though, it was just the cooldowns in the second part of the demo were too long becuase you had too many weapons equipped.

[PMC65]

Han Shot First wrote...

Totally in character for a military officer. They are geeks for that sort of thing.

In my headcanon Shepard has on his wall an oath once uttered by the warriors of ancient Athens:

"I will not disgrace the soldiers arms,
nor abandon the comrade who stands at my side;
but whether alone or with many, I will fight to
defend things sacred and profane. I will
leave my country not lessened, but
larger and better than I received it."

I like that one as well.

[ladyvader]

SinnSly wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Adept was a disappointment.

Isn't Liara an adept?

Just curious why the class was a disappointment, since I'd think Liara would have the same abilities as a player adept.

Their basic skills are the same, but the Adept has lift gerandes and Liara doesn't.  So far I like 5 of the 6 classes.  I sucked at vanguard in ME2 and sucked more in the demo.  That is on me not the class.  I only have one vanguard Shep anyway.  Where I have 2 soldiers, adepts, and engineers.

I love being a Vanguard but the heavy melee was a disapointment...

I suck at that class.  Playing the demo, I sucked more.  Loved engineer and adept classes.  Soldier is my favorite anyway.  The 1 think that did bug me no sniper rifle in demo and I used that rifle always as infiltrator. 

[PMC65]

Han Shot First wrote...

The entire ME1 crew is tight. They'd have to be considering what they all went through together.

I think it just boils down to some players wanting to headcanon certain characters being disliked, because they (the player) hates that character. But just because a player feels a certain way, doesn't mean characters on the squad feel the same way. That applies to Shepard as well. Shepard for example mourns the loss of Kaidan or Ashley on Virmire, whether or not the player hated the character that died.

That's actually not why ... I love Tali and Liara.

I just never saw Tali and Liara being "friends" ... ie, chatting for hours and hanging out. They would have a respect for one another's abilities and completely trust each other on the field ... but off-duty I don't really see them being best buds because they are different personalities and have different interests. 

Tali is an absolute techie to me and so she would be around people like Engineer Adams and Liara would spend her time with individuals like Dr. Chakwas. Never thought they would hate one another just not attend tupperware parties together.

But what happened on the Normandy and the characters is really left to each gamer ... unless you are talking about Miranda & Jack.

[SinnSly]

ladyvader wrote...

SinnSly wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Adept was a disappointment.

Isn't Liara an adept?

Just curious why the class was a disappointment, since I'd think Liara would have the same abilities as a player adept.

Their basic skills are the same, but the Adept has lift gerandes and Liara doesn't.  So far I like 5 of the 6 classes.  I sucked at vanguard in ME2 and sucked more in the demo.  That is on me not the class.  I only have one vanguard Shep anyway.  Where I have 2 soldiers, adepts, and engineers.

I love being a Vanguard but the heavy melee was a disapointment...

I suck at that class.  Playing the demo, I sucked more.  Loved engineer and adept classes.  Soldier is my favorite anyway.  The 1 think that did bug me no sniper rifle in demo and I used that rifle always as infiltrator. 

Yeah, my main classes are Vanguard and Infiltrator, with my main weapons as SMG/Assault Rifle and Sniper rifle, but I with the Vanguard has a biotic infused omni blade, suits it more...

[kumquats]

Of course Liara is an Adept. But my Shepard was an Adept, too. So I thought they would rock with Warp Bombs, like LotSB. Warp CD on my Shepard was way too long. If that's not going to happen in the Retail version, then I'm happy.
But that's why I was disappointed in the Demo.

The Engineer rockt Insanity with Liara, which was very surprising. That's all.

[ladyvader]

PMC65 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

The entire ME1 crew is tight. They'd have to be considering what they all went through together.

I think it just boils down to some players wanting to headcanon certain characters being disliked, because they (the player) hates that character. But just because a player feels a certain way, doesn't mean characters on the squad feel the same way. That applies to Shepard as well. Shepard for example mourns the loss of Kaidan or Ashley on Virmire, whether or not the player hated the character that died.

That's actually not why ... I love Tali and Liara.

I just never saw Tali and Liara being "friends" ... ie, chatting for hours and hanging out. They would have a respect for one another's abilities and completely trust each other on the field ... but off-duty I don't really see them being best buds because they are different personalities and have different interests. 

Tali is an absolute techie to me and so she would be around people like Engineer Adams and Liara would spend her time with individuals like Dr. Chakwas. Never thought they would hate one another just not attend tupperware parties together.

But what happened on the Normandy and the characters is really left to each gamer ... unless you are talking about Miranda & Jack.

Shepard can be a complete jerk to the ME1 crew and yet they all consider Shep a friend in ME2. 

What happens between the squadmates is up to the writers and not really on the players.  We can headcanon it all day that this character hates this one, (Miri/Jack excluded) and the writers might not write it that way in ME3.  The demo did nothing but whet my desire to play the full game now.  I only need to unplug my Kinect from the Xbox again and I am all set.  It doesn't work like they claim.  Which is the only part of the demo I don't like. 

[Eclipse merc]

kumquats wrote...

Of course Liara is an Adept. But my Shepard was an Adept, too. So I thought they would rock with Warp Bombs, like LotSB. Warp CD on my Shepard was way too long. If that's not going to happen in the Retail version, then I'm happy.
But that's why I was disappointed in the Demo.

The Engineer rockt Insanity with Liara, which was very surprising. That's all.

As long as you don't carry too many weapons you'll be fine.

[ladyvader]

kumquats wrote...

Of course Liara is an Adept. But my Shepard was an Adept, too. So I thought they would rock with Warp Bombs, like LotSB. Warp CD on my Shepard was way too long. If that's not going to happen in the Retail version, then I'm happy.
But that's why I was disappointed in the Demo.

The Engineer rockt Insanity with Liara, which was very surprising. That's all.

Normal was hard enough for me right now.   My adept like to bomb singulairity all day with Liara then warp bomb them.    The cooldown did take too long.  It went quick on Earth.  Singularity/throw the batarian husks for a while then shoot at them.  I wonder if that spot will be the XP heaven because the Normandy doesn't show up until you are almost out of ammo.

[PMC65]

ladyvader wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

The entire ME1 crew is tight. They'd have to be considering what they all went through together.

I think it just boils down to some players wanting to headcanon certain characters being disliked, because they (the player) hates that character. But just because a player feels a certain way, doesn't mean characters on the squad feel the same way. That applies to Shepard as well. Shepard for example mourns the loss of Kaidan or Ashley on Virmire, whether or not the player hated the character that died.

That's actually not why ... I love Tali and Liara.

I just never saw Tali and Liara being "friends" ... ie, chatting for hours and hanging out. They would have a respect for one another's abilities and completely trust each other on the field ... but off-duty I don't really see them being best buds because they are different personalities and have different interests. 

Tali is an absolute techie to me and so she would be around people like Engineer Adams and Liara would spend her time with individuals like Dr. Chakwas. Never thought they would hate one another just not attend tupperware parties together.

But what happened on the Normandy and the characters is really left to each gamer ... unless you are talking about Miranda & Jack.

Shepard can be a complete jerk to the ME1 crew and yet they all consider Shep a friend in ME2. 

What happens between the squadmates is up to the writers and not really on the players.  We can headcanon it all day that this character hates this one, (Miri/Jack excluded) and the writers might not write it that way in ME3.  The demo did nothing but whet my desire to play the full game now.  I only need to unplug my Kinect from the Xbox again and I am all set.  It doesn't work like they claim.  Which is the only part of the demo I don't like. 

I never said "hate" so I'm lost on your response. Tali and Liara in my headcanon do not hate one another. So where are you getting "hate" from?

[kumquats]

Eclipse merc wrote...

kumquats wrote...

Of course Liara is an Adept. But my Shepard was an Adept, too. So I thought they would rock with Warp Bombs, like LotSB. Warp CD on my Shepard was way too long. If that's not going to happen in the Retail version, then I'm happy.
But that's why I was disappointed in the Demo.

The Engineer rockt Insanity with Liara, which was very surprising. That's all.

As long as you don't carry too many weapons you'll be fine.

Awesome. Killing that Heavy in the last part of the Demo with the Adept was really painful. I had to rescue Liara two times.

In ME2 Vanguard was my favourite class. They have this new AE (Don't know the name).Did anyone test, if this is a Biotic Combo if you do the AE in Liara's Singularity?
That would blow my mind. 

Modifié par kumquats, 15 février 2012 - 09:52 .

[ladyvader]

PMC65 wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

The entire ME1 crew is tight. They'd have to be considering what they all went through together.

I think it just boils down to some players wanting to headcanon certain characters being disliked, because they (the player) hates that character. But just because a player feels a certain way, doesn't mean characters on the squad feel the same way. That applies to Shepard as well. Shepard for example mourns the loss of Kaidan or Ashley on Virmire, whether or not the player hated the character that died.

That's actually not why ... I love Tali and Liara.

I just never saw Tali and Liara being "friends" ... ie, chatting for hours and hanging out. They would have a respect for one another's abilities and completely trust each other on the field ... but off-duty I don't really see them being best buds because they are different personalities and have different interests. 

Tali is an absolute techie to me and so she would be around people like Engineer Adams and Liara would spend her time with individuals like Dr. Chakwas. Never thought they would hate one another just not attend tupperware parties together.

But what happened on the Normandy and the characters is really left to each gamer ... unless you are talking about Miranda & Jack.

Shepard can be a complete jerk to the ME1 crew and yet they all consider Shep a friend in ME2. 

What happens between the squadmates is up to the writers and not really on the players.  We can headcanon it all day that this character hates this one, (Miri/Jack excluded) and the writers might not write it that way in ME3.  The demo did nothing but whet my desire to play the full game now.  I only need to unplug my Kinect from the Xbox again and I am all set.  It doesn't work like they claim.  Which is the only part of the demo I don't like. 

I never said "hate" so I'm lost on your response. Tali and Liara in my headcanon do not hate one another. So where are you getting "hate" from?

Some people hate certain characters,  Not you.  I worded it poorly like usual.  Sorry about that. 

Just because we headcanon things doesn't mean that is what the writers will have the characters do in ME3.  I felt Shepard wasn't happy with the VS when they met outside the committee's room and again when Shep boarded the Normandy.  Everyone might be happy happy with the VS even after what happened on Horizon, but that doesn't mean that is how it will play out in ME3.  Just an example.  Wrex seemed very happy to see Liara and Garrus, but some feel they would not like each other.  Writers are going to take the characters to places we didn't expect or want and we as the player are going to have to deal with it.

Do you really think Tali like either Miri or Jacob?  I highly doubt it.  Tali hates Cerberus.  Just an example of the hate.

[Wulfram]

kumquats wrote...

Of course Liara is an Adept. But my Shepard was an Adept, too. So I thought they would rock with Warp Bombs, like LotSB. Warp CD on my Shepard was way too long. If that's not going to happen in the Retail version, then I'm happy.
But that's why I was disappointed in the Demo.

For the demo, one thing you can to do is to use Throw Bombs.  Since you can evolve Throw not to use up cooldown if it Combos, this leaves you only limited by Liara's cooldown on Singularity, which is short if you pick the right powers

[Pockles]

ladyvader wrote...

Pockles wrote...
Anyone else think it's slightly weird that Wrex was so nice to Liara during the Sur'Kesh demo? Since when did they get so friendly?

When was Wrex ever mean to Liara in ME1?  He was the one that said her biotics would be helpful.  Wrex seemed to be the only one besides Shepard to trust Liara at that point in the game.

You have a really bad habit of putting words into my mouth.

[ladyvader]

Pockles wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Pockles wrote...
Anyone else think it's slightly weird that Wrex was so nice to Liara during the Sur'Kesh demo? Since when did they get so friendly?

When was Wrex ever mean to Liara in ME1?  He was the one that said her biotics would be helpful.  Wrex seemed to be the only one besides Shepard to trust Liara at that point in the game.

You have a really bad habit of putting words into my mouth.

You just take it that way.  I asked a question when was Wrex ever mean to Liara because you said it was weird that Wrex was so nice to Liara.  He was the only one that defended her when she first got on the Normandy besides Shepard.

[Yuqi]

@ladyvader
 A Family Vacation is really awsome.

I'm already sick of the demo, lol. I found that the scnes with the V.S really portrayed that underlying sense of tension, very well. You can sense right from the get-go Shep and (In my case) Ash have issues to sort out.

Modifié par Yuqi, 15 février 2012 - 10:14 .

[PMC65]

ladyvader wrote...

Some people hate certain characters,  Not you.  I worded it poorly like usual.  Sorry about that. 

Just because we headcanon things doesn't mean that is what the writers will have the characters do in ME3.  I felt Shepard wasn't happy with the VS when they met outside the committee's room and again when Shep boarded the Normandy.  Everyone might be happy happy with the VS even after what happened on Horizon, but that doesn't mean that is how it will play out in ME3.  Just an example.  Wrex seemed very happy to see Liara and Garrus, but some feel they would not like each other.  Writers are going to take the characters to places we didn't expect or want and we as the player are going to have to deal with it.

Do you really think Tali like either Miri or Jacob?  I highly doubt it.  Tali hates Cerberus.  Just an example of the hate.

I always keep myself open to what Bioware shows and readjusts my own headcanon based on it so I'm right there with you on that. There are times that I question what they do (Miranda resigning for one if you destroy the CB / quarians allowing Legion on their ship) but it is their story after all.

When it comes to hate there are characters that I think would not get along at all ... Miranda & Jack, Jacob & Thane, Tali & Jacob, etc. But that is only because Bioware laid that groundwork. Even then, in ME3 they could switch gears and Jack & Miranda could be friends. It would be a  moment for me but I did once not like an individual and yet a couple years later ... friends. Amazing how that sometimes happens.