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[Arlionis]

Charsi wrote...

HetmanNG wrote...

5. In Huerta Hospital on Citadel we can buy box of chocolates and more things, when can we give one of them for Liara?

Sorry for my bad english.

You can't, those are for Ashley or Kaiden!

That was such a bummer, I heard that in Dragon Age you can give gifts to all your squad members in order to improve their view towards your character and I thought this was for that purpose. By the way, can Asari eat chocolate? in Earth chocolate is toxic to many different species, dogs can even die if they eat ~150 grams of high quality chocolate (because it contains higher doses of theobromine which is harmless to humans but toxic to many other species)

Modifié par Arlionis, 12 mars 2012 - 12:05 .

[Yuqi]

Arlionis wrote...

Charsi wrote...

HetmanNG wrote...

5. In Huerta Hospital on Citadel we can buy box of chocolates and more things, when can we give one of them for Liara?

Sorry for my bad english.

You can't, those are for Ashley or Kaiden!

That was such a bummer, I heard that in Dragon Age you can give gifts to all your squad members in order to improve their view towards your character and I thought this was for that purpose. By the way, can Asari eat chocolate? in Earth chocolate is toxic to many different species, dogs can even die if they eat ~150 grams of high quality chocolate (because it contains higher doses of theobromine which is harmless to humans but toxic to many other species)

 The feastday gifts DLC for oriigins was just lol, epic.

[Yuqi]

[Arlionis]

Just another proof that the kid was Harbinger, he really looked ghostly. 

[TMA LIVE]

I kind of doubt the indoctrination idea. If the Reapers really wanted to trick you, they wouldn't only give you the "destroyed" option if you seriously screwed up. They would have tricked you with the other alternatives. Not just the destroy path.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 12 mars 2012 - 12:36 .

[Arlionis]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I kind of doubt the indoctrination idea. If the Reapers really wanted to trick you, they wouldn't only give you the "destroyed" option if you seriously screwed up. They would have tricked you with the other alternatives. Not just the destroy path.

But what if the Crucible voids any Reaper "safeguard"? they cannot lie you about the options and they cannot stop you from chosing one once inside the control center, best thing they can do is try to "guide" you over which option you have to take. 

I mentioned before that I saw the Crucible as the equivalent of the sudo command in Linux, once you type that the system must obey you even if the commands you're inputing could destroy your system. 

[TMA LIVE]

Arlionis wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I kind of doubt the indoctrination idea. If the Reapers really wanted to trick you, they wouldn't only give you the "destroyed" option if you seriously screwed up. They would have tricked you with the other alternatives. Not just the destroy path.

But what if the Crucible voids any Reaper "safeguard"? they cannot lie you about the options and they cannot stop you from chosing one once inside the control center, best thing they can do is try to "guide" you over which option you have to take. 

I mentioned before that I saw the Crucible as the equivalent of the sudo command in Linux, once you type that the system must obey you even if the commands you're inputing could destroy your system. 

The whole concept of them indoctrinating you is that they're lying to you with the other options. You can't have the whole thing be a dream, if the dream itself is a lie. Nor only give you one option, which is "destroy", if that's not real either.

So they can't be lying to you, or trying to trick you if they're giving you only the "destroy" option.

If it's all a lie, they would have tricked you anyways with other options that kill you. Instead, they only give you the "destroy" option. They don't bother giving you the other two options. Which defeats the concept of "trying to trick you".

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 12 mars 2012 - 12:51 .

[Arlionis]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I kind of doubt the indoctrination idea. If the Reapers really wanted to trick you, they wouldn't only give you the "destroyed" option if you seriously screwed up. They would have tricked you with the other alternatives. Not just the destroy path.

But what if the Crucible voids any Reaper "safeguard"? they cannot lie you about the options and they cannot stop you from chosing one once inside the control center, best thing they can do is try to "guide" you over which option you have to take. 

I mentioned before that I saw the Crucible as the equivalent of the sudo command in Linux, once you type that the system must obey you even if the commands you're inputing could destroy your system. 

The whole concept of them indoctrinating you is that they're lying to you with the other options. You can't have the whole thing be a dream, if the dream itself is a lie. Nor only give you one option, which is "destroy", if that's not real either.

So they can't be lying to you, or trying to trick you if they're giving you only the "destroy" option.

They don't lie to you, they control you. In the books they manage to make Grayson do anything they want even when he was fully aware that he didn't want to do that. 

[AlexMBrennan]

There's a much simpler answer: The game will tell you that Shepard defeated the Reapers if you pick blue. So that's "indoctrination" hypothesis disproved.

[TMA LIVE]

Arlionis wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I kind of doubt the indoctrination idea. If the Reapers really wanted to trick you, they wouldn't only give you the "destroyed" option if you seriously screwed up. They would have tricked you with the other alternatives. Not just the destroy path.

But what if the Crucible voids any Reaper "safeguard"? they cannot lie you about the options and they cannot stop you from chosing one once inside the control center, best thing they can do is try to "guide" you over which option you have to take. 

I mentioned before that I saw the Crucible as the equivalent of the sudo command in Linux, once you type that the system must obey you even if the commands you're inputing could destroy your system. 

The whole concept of them indoctrinating you is that they're lying to you with the other options. You can't have the whole thing be a dream, if the dream itself is a lie. Nor only give you one option, which is "destroy", if that's not real either.

So they can't be lying to you, or trying to trick you if they're giving you only the "destroy" option.

They don't lie to you, they control you. In the books they manage to make Grayson do anything they want even when he was fully aware that he didn't want to do that. 

Then if they control you, they wouldn't make you kill them. As they said about TIM when it came to him controlling them. They wouldn't have given the option to you, nor told you that was the only option.

[AlexMBrennan]

Btw, Reaper indoctrination doesn't control people (implants do, however) - both TIM and Saren are made to believe outrageous things but are still able to act in violation of those beliefs (by killing themselves)

[Arlionis]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Then if they control you, they wouldn't make you kill them. As they said about TIM when it came to him controlling them. They wouldn't have given the option to you, nor told you that was the only option.

But that's where the Crucible comes into play, maybe it just toys with Reaper indoctrination mechanism to allow the organic entering that room to be able to carry the task of defeating the Reapers without being fully controlled by them.

I don't know to be honest, I'm just trying to find a excuse to convince myself that wasn't the ending. 

Modifié par Arlionis, 12 mars 2012 - 01:07 .

[Galadh]

*Sigh* I am thinking a lot about starting NG+, but I guess it would be reasonable to wait a little for any any statements concerning the ending. Plus they could fix that LotSB-flag bug.

What's then? Maybe finally I'm gonna pull off my second Shepard, this time femShep being cold thug **** unlike my idealistic male canonic one. Have been thinking about romancing someone else, but who am I kidding? Liara's the way to go.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

There's a much simpler answer: The game will tell you that Shepard defeated the Reapers if you pick blue. So that's "indoctrination" hypothesis disproved.

Indeed. Would people please ditch the "The ending is not real" theory now?

[Yuqi]

Galadh wrote...

*Sigh* I am thinking a lot about starting NG+, but I guess it would be reasonable to wait a little for any any statements concerning the ending. Plus they could fix that LotSB-flag bug.

What's then? Maybe finally I'm gonna pull off my second Shepard, this time femShep being cold thug **** unlike my idealistic male canonic one. Have been thinking about romancing someone else, but who am I kidding? Liara's the way to go.

Do it! Hale's delivery of the emotional lines will make you:crying:

Modifié par Yuqi, 12 mars 2012 - 01:30 .

[HetmanNG]

Arlionis wrote...

Charsi wrote...

HetmanNG wrote...

5. In Huerta Hospital on Citadel we can buy box of chocolates and more things, when can we give one of them for Liara?

Sorry for my bad english.

You can't, those are for Ashley or Kaiden!

That was such a bummer, I heard that in Dragon Age you can give gifts to all your squad members in order to improve their view towards your character and I thought this was for that purpose. By the way, can Asari eat chocolate? in Earth chocolate is toxic to many different species, dogs can even die if they eat ~150 grams of high quality chocolate (because it contains higher doses of theobromine which is harmless to humans but toxic to many other species)

But there are books, flowers and other things to buy, not only a box of chocolate. <_<

[Yuqi]

Chriss5688 wrote...

Indeed, Hale did a incredible job with the touching moments in ME3, even more than Mass Effect 1 and 2 IMO.

Yes, but out of all the romances she seems to give the most effort towards Liara's, and Garrus's.

Modifié par Yuqi, 12 mars 2012 - 01:35 .

[Yuqi]

Chriss5688 wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

Chriss5688 wrote...

Indeed, Hale did a incredible job with the touching moments in ME3, even more than Mass Effect 1 and 2 IMO.

Yes, but out of all the romances she seems to give the most effort towards Liara's, and Garrus's.

I didn't see Garrus's romance, so I can't say anything about that, but with Kaidan and Liara she did a very good job.

Kaidens romance was alright, but it was certainly no Yuna and Tidus.

Modifié par Yuqi, 12 mars 2012 - 01:47 .

[Pineappletree]

Hey there guys and gals, I'm offically back back in the thread after finishing ME3 yesterday.

I thought all those rumors about bad endings were just the wild overreaction that I had seen so many times before at the BSN (or all of the interwebz, really) but when I ever was wrong then this time.

As I wrote in another thread, I can easily appreciate bittersweet or sad endings when they make sense.
I have no problem with overlooking flaws in a game when I have a good time with it otherwise
And many times I understood and defended Bioware's decisions in the past, regardelss of the general opinion.

But even after alomst 24 hours of reading and thinking, I have absolutely NO effing idea how they could think the abomination they threw at us was a satisfying and worthy ending to this otherwise brilliant game and series!

I'm past the inital shock and I tried hard to find the good bits in this pile of shards - but I'm just not able to do so.
There is just too much wrong on so many different levels ... I can't accept it ...


But enough with my melodramatic ending blues!  *stands up straight*

This thread is about Liara lovin' after all and (wo)man! are there some great scenes with her in the game!

I don't even know where to start. From her hilarious discussions with Aethyta to the toothrotting sweet "legacy box" scene to her heartwrenching last moments with Shep in London that still make my eyes water when I think about them (please don't spread that around )

It was good to be a Liara fan in this game and I can't wait to play it all again - this time in less of a hurry ("rushed" my first playthrough, leaving much of the side mission and some character interactions for later)
I'll just have to hit ALT+F4 once the heavenly elevator starts rising in the future and go with head canon / fanfic from there.
(Not to forget MP, had a blast playing my first couple of games with karmensandiego and hollow227 - thanks for dragging me in there Now I only need to practice to die a bit less )


Oh and I don't know if this was allready answered, but I think I saw someone asking for a picture of Liara's CE outfit, so here ya go (and personally I love that outfit for combat missions, despite beeing sceptic when I saw the first promo pictures of it)

Modifié par FdL_Ananas, 12 mars 2012 - 03:44 .

[Pineappletree]

Chriss5688 wrote...

Indeed, Hale did a incredible job with the touching moments in ME3, even more than Mass Effect 1 and 2 IMO.

Absolutely!

I think all of her performance - or maybe it was just the directing - was so much better this time around than priviously.
Not that I didn't like her in the first two games, but there were allways a few lines that sounded ... off.
Can't think of a single such line in ME3 atm ...

€dit

Modifié par FdL_Ananas, 12 mars 2012 - 02:01 .