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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ladyvader wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Just a theoretical question to everyone in this thread. Lets say that Liara and the Normandy did not end up being stranded on the nameless planet in the ending (instead they just crashlanded on Earth), if so...

How would you people react if the very last scene of the game, instead of being with an old man and his grandchild. Instead was with Liara talking with her young daughter?

Would have made the ending way more bearable in my opinion.

I would have loved this. I've never been one for head canon, but the ending of ME3 has me head canoning a little blue child so darn hard.

There seems to be alot of people wanting to headcanon it that way in this thread.

Can't say I blame them, given that I am tempted to do it myself.

It seems to make sense.  At least to me anyway with Liara being pregnant at the end.  I have yet to do a non-romance with Liara so I don't know what the difference is with the gift.  I do know there is a difference if you romanced her but didn't do the LotSB.  You don't get the blue children line.  The gift part where Liara and Shep kiss is the same.

After playing the ending again yesterday.  I think at this point, Liara knows there is a good chance she isn't going to see Shepard again.  I feel guilty about breaking my promise to her.  

I have always taken Liara with me for the race to the beam and Liara has always been on the Normandy during that scene. 

I have a feeling that Bioware had no such intention with these scenes given their stance.

Won't stop me from wanting to believe it though, that and ignoring Liara being stranded on an uncharted planet.

[azarhal]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Serious question of the day - the following will be spoiler-y so I'll keep it vague, but the fact that I'm asking this in the first place is also a spoiler, so I apologize for that:

We learn that the asari believe that the goddess Athame tough her followers about agriculture, mathematics, which is straight-forward enough. However, they also believe that Athame gave them biotics for worshipping her.
I can't help but think that there might have been a bit more to it than asari evolving on an eezo-rich planet - do you think that divine intervention was involved?

Athame's bust look like a prothean and if you have From Ashes DLC the squadmate, Javik, pretty much confirm it.

Javik and Liara hate each others too, which make for super awesome party interactions!

[ladyvader]

HetmanNG wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Does anyone have a good screenshot of Liara in the synthesis ending? I wonder how she looks like with cybernetics.

I can make one.  I'd have to record the ending, but that isn't an issue.  First run I have it autosaved there and I turned the auto save off to not save over it, so I could redo the ending.  Give me a little bit and I'll have it for you.  I don't remember her looking different though.  Or I didn't notice.

It will be difficult, because Liara comes out third. Camera is too far.

I just recorded it and Liara was third off and you don't see her face up close.  Oh well, Lizardviking, I tried.  EDI came off the Normandy next after Joker. 

I don't like that ending actually.  Blah. 

[DOsquareZER]

Protheans ('the goddess"] did it. If you take javik and click on all the artifacts.... they pretty much babysat the Asari.  Nothing divine really about it.
Anyone do the gift scene with non romance?  Where Liara rests her head on Shepards shoulder instead of kissing - I don't know...I kinda like the shoulder scene - it's a toss up.

Modifié par doozer12, 13 mars 2012 - 05:13 .

[PMC65]

Turbo_J wrote...

Chriss5688 wrote...

Thing is... it is Liara on the video, which is strange, BioWare wouldn't slip like this and make her blood red, would they?

Edit - Just saw the video again, even EDI's blood is red...

And this is why way back in the thread I suggested people go through the dreams and pay close attention. Same with just after Harbinger almost hits Shep with the beam. Everything thereafter is Harbi... in Shep's head trying one last time to seal the indoctrination deal. No way it would have left Shep alive without trying that first.

Another minor bit of dialog I found today was from Samara; hints about being tested. And don't forget Vega... 'do you hear that music?' - Shep is a Reaper tech antenna.

I've been really paying attention for clues. I should really start writing them down.

I think that shard that Eve gives Shep may be significant as well, but I may be over anylizing. lol

As for the end. I'm fine with it now because it's not the end. The 3 choices with only one real correct one among them... the little variation... The only thing that happens from the time Shep gets hit to the time He/She wakes in the rubble (if you get that clip) is the war. The rest of it is Haringer's Dues Ex indoctrination. It's not an end when there is only one choice. To destroy the Reapers. The other choices are assimilation; exactly what the Reapers do.

It's a real possibility that the Normady scene is not real either. I think 100% tech destruction is a Habinger bluff. The fact that the Kid/Harbi says more BAD happens when Destroy is chosen (tried to claim it's virtually the end of all life in this cycle) is just an attempt to sway Shep away from it. Also, given the speed of the Crucible detonation (which is shown in slow motion, not real time), Joker would not have had time to get groundside to pick up the squad you had with you. And if he did, why leave Shep? Also - if that detonation really did that much damage to the back of the Normandy as they were trying to get away... then not one single ship in any system survived. Not one. Remember... The Kid/Harbi claims NO TECH survives. No air, no shields, no light, and the event horizon was physically damaging the Normandy. Why didn't it vaporize the people on Earth then? (If you didn't have min assests it would, but it always damages Normady no matter what.)

The only possibility at that point is He/She was really covered under rubble well and had almost no detectable lifesigns. I still think, with the excpetion of the Stargazer bit, it was all in Shep's head.

There is still much much more war to fight and a button not yet pressed on the Crucible.

I'm right there with you that this is not the ending ... It is Shepard's final choice and Bioware will have a DLC that will play off the choice that shows Shepard alive. At least that is what I am hoping.

If there is no final DLC then I'm pretty much done with the game to be honest. There would be no reason to get any more DLC's knowing that in the end you get the fade to ???? I'm also no longer inspired to write my story. After all, fan fiction is great but it shouldn't be the only way to get a true sense of completion. You spend $$$ and mucho time to this character only to receive a non-ending that reads "hey, just use your imagination on what happened". What? On the many years later after the war ... okay. But not the final ending. That needs to be there in-game.

My only concern if they do issue a "finale" DLC is where that will leave the two that you bring down that runway. You hear that your team did not make it ... so I am not going to bring Liara on that final push. Just in case.

But as I've said, I loved 95% of the game and if there is a followup (real ending) to what there is now it could easily move to a 100%. Only time will tell.

Sorry for the mini-rant ...

[ladyvader]

doozer12 wrote...

Protheans ('the goddess"] did it. If you take javik and click on all the artifacts.... they pretty much babysat the Asari.  Nothing divine really about it.
Anyone do the gift scene with non romance?  Where Liara rests her head on Shepards shoulder instead of kissing - I don't know...I kinda like the shoulder scene - it's a toss up.

Javik is so much an ass to Liara the whole game too.  For some weird reason, I don't hate him for it either.  Maybe because he was in stasis for 50,000 years and remembers all our species in the infancy stages.  The comments he made about the salarians was very funny.  "They use to eat flies." 

I did feel bad for Liara when talking to her after Thessia.  She was feeling so guilty then her comments about her mom.  Sighs, hard stuff. 

[DOsquareZER]

Nooo PCM, not your fanfictions! Theyre too awesome!! ...damnit another reason for me to despise Bioware now.
But I hear ya... Feels like a hollow empty experience now to go back. "But you succeeded! you saved the galaxy and your crew IS still alive on the Normandy on some unknown planet" ...explain to me why that should be comforting...Shepard dies...AGAIN! (its ok i kind of expected it, but i kinda hoped he/she wouldn't seeing we've all rdy died in the 2nd game but meh!) ...maybe im being selfish, but i know damn sure Shepard would have wanted better for her crew - why do that to them.

Edit: Also: I laughed like an idiot when Javik made that straight face comment about the salarians eating flies.  Too funny.  Not to mention the ''slightly amused' expression liara gave afterwards.

Modifié par doozer12, 13 mars 2012 - 05:23 .

[kumquats]

azarhal wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Serious question of the day - the following will be spoiler-y so I'll keep it vague, but the fact that I'm asking this in the first place is also a spoiler, so I apologize for that:

We learn that the asari believe that the goddess Athame tough her followers about agriculture, mathematics, which is straight-forward enough. However, they also believe that Athame gave them biotics for worshipping her.
I can't help but think that there might have been a bit more to it than asari evolving on an eezo-rich planet - do you think that divine intervention was involved?

Athame's bust look like a prothean and if you have From Ashes DLC the squadmate, Javik, pretty much confirm it.

Javik and Liara hate each others too, which make for super awesome party interactions!

Well they did experiments on humans, so I'm very certain that they did it to the asari as well.
Maybe they altered their reproduction. They only need one Asari to save the future of an entire race. o.O
Wow creepy thought.

[jlb524]

ladyvader wrote...

HetmanNG wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Does anyone have a good screenshot of Liara in the synthesis ending? I wonder how she looks like with cybernetics.

I can make one.  I'd have to record the ending, but that isn't an issue.  First run I have it autosaved there and I turned the auto save off to not save over it, so I could redo the ending.  Give me a little bit and I'll have it for you.  I don't remember her looking different though.  Or I didn't notice.

It will be difficult, because Liara comes out third. Camera is too far.

I just recorded it and Liara was third off and you don't see her face up close.  Oh well, Lizardviking, I tried.  EDI came off the Normandy next after Joker. 

I don't like that ending actually.  Blah. 

I was wondering if 'flycamming' it was possible, but I don't think you can do that in a scene such as that.

Modifié par jlb524, 13 mars 2012 - 05:32 .

[Arlionis]

kumquats wrote...

azarhal wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Serious question of the day - the following will be spoiler-y so I'll keep it vague, but the fact that I'm asking this in the first place is also a spoiler, so I apologize for that:

We learn that the asari believe that the goddess Athame tough her followers about agriculture, mathematics, which is straight-forward enough. However, they also believe that Athame gave them biotics for worshipping her.
I can't help but think that there might have been a bit more to it than asari evolving on an eezo-rich planet - do you think that divine intervention was involved?

Athame's bust look like a prothean and if you have From Ashes DLC the squadmate, Javik, pretty much confirm it.

Javik and Liara hate each others too, which make for super awesome party interactions!

Well they did experiments on humans, so I'm very certain that they did it to the asari as well.
Maybe they altered their reproduction. They only need one Asari to save the future of an entire race. o.O
Wow creepy thought.

Javik in fact says that the Protheans used genetic research to give the Asari natural biotics when you click in one of the texts inside the temple. 

[jlb524]

azarhal wrote...

Javik and Liara hate each others too, which make for super awesome party interactions!

I don't think they hate each other.

There are a few conflicts they have...

1)  Liara's disappointment that the Protheans don't live up to her (and others) romanticizing of them.
2)  Liara holds her race in high esteem while Javik sees the asari as primitives they manipulated.

...but I don't think it's hate.

Modifié par jlb524, 13 mars 2012 - 05:38 .

[kumquats]

Arlionis wrote...

Javik in fact says that the Protheans used genetic research to give the Asari natural biotics when you click in one of the texts inside the temple. 

The Prothean used to be this mysterious creatures and now they are just creepy creepers. <_<
I wonder what they changed about humans in the Mass Effect universe...

Everyone can agree that the humans in ME are very interesting for the Reapers, because of their DNA. Maybe the Protheans wanted them to be a bait for the Reapers, so that the asari had a bigger chance of succes.

That's even worse....

[Arlionis]

kumquats wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Javik in fact says that the Protheans used genetic research to give the Asari natural biotics when you click in one of the texts inside the temple. 

The Prothean used to be this mysterious creatures and now they are just creepy creepers. <_<
I wonder what they changed about humans in the Mass Effect universe...

Everyone can agree that the humans in ME are very interesting for the Reapers, because of their DNA. Maybe the Protheans wanted them to be a bait for the Reapers, so that the asari had a bigger chance of succes.

That's even worse....

It's been hinted they guided the development of the human brain, in ME1 you can see the memories of a primitive human being abducted and modified by the Protheans.

[kumquats]

Arlionis wrote...

It's been hinted they guided the development of the human brain, in ME1 you can see the memories of a primitive human being abducted and modified by the Protheans.

Yeah, that's why I wrote they did experiments on humans.
I always thought they made more experiments on our species, then only messing with their brain.

Our DNA is a big deal in ME2.

Modifié par kumquats, 13 mars 2012 - 06:21 .

[Boris_Ramirez]

Anyone who's depressed about the endings have you checked out the ME3 hallucination thread? It's really interesting.

[Arlionis]

kumquats wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

It's been hinted they guided the development of the human brain, in ME1 you can see the memories of a primitive human being abducted and modified by the Protheans.

Yeah, that's why I wrote they did experiments on humans.
I always thought they made more experiments on our species, then only messing with their brain.

Our DNA is a big deal in ME2.

Yes, there's probably more to it. After all they froze the entire Charon relay in a "bubble" of ice to prevent the Reapers from using it during this cycle (they didn't believe humans were going to discover the relay during the course of this current cycle). Also the Prothean Mars base was enormous, although they could very well not be THAT interested in humans and just use it for other research projects, that would explain why the base had so much info on the Crucible. 

[Arlionis]

Boris_Ramirez wrote...

Anyone who's depressed about the endings have you checked out the ME3 hallucination thread? It's really interesting.

Any links? I only saw an image with data from the codex about indoctrination. 

[kumquats]

Arlionis wrote...

Yes, there's probably more to it. After all they froze the entire Charon relay in a "bubble" of ice to prevent the Reapers from using it during this cycle (they didn't believe humans were going to discover the relay during the course of this current cycle). Also the Prothean Mars base was enormous, although they could very well not be THAT interested in humans and just use it for other research projects, that would explain why the base had so much info on the Crucible. 

Indeed, I was raising my eyebrow when Liara revealed that the scientist not even scratched the surface.
And humanity accomplished so much in only 30 years.
Mars must be Paradise for Liara, if she weren't already stranded on "Eden".

Makes me wonder if Shepard, in the ending where he/she survives, could join Liara on Mars and reveal all those secrets.

Modifié par kumquats, 13 mars 2012 - 07:00 .

[Flammenpanzer]

Arlionis wrote...

kumquats wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

It's been hinted they guided the development of the human brain, in ME1 you can see the memories of a primitive human being abducted and modified by the Protheans.

Yeah, that's why I wrote they did experiments on humans.
I always thought they made more experiments on our species, then only messing with their brain.

Our DNA is a big deal in ME2.

Yes, there's probably more to it. After all they froze the entire Charon relay in a "bubble" of ice to prevent the Reapers from using it during this cycle (they didn't believe humans were going to discover the relay during the course of this current cycle). Also the Prothean Mars base was enormous, although they could very well not be THAT interested in humans and just use it for other research projects, that would explain why the base had so much info on the Crucible. 

I didn't know that bit there! Interesting....

[ladyvader]

jlb524 wrote...

azarhal wrote...

Javik and Liara hate each others too, which make for super awesome party interactions!

I don't think they hate each other.

There are a few conflicts they have...

1)  Liara's disappointment that the Protheans don't live up to her (and others) romanticizing of them.
2)  Liara holds her race in high esteem while Javik sees the asari as primitives they manipulated.

...but I don't think it's hate.

Javik thinks all the species are primitive.  His comments about the salarians is funny to say the least.

I agree with both on the conflict with Liara and Javik.  He talks down to everyone.

[PurpleWhisper]

Just a quick question and one that has probably been answered somewhere here already: is it definately an unknown planet that the Normandy lands on? I'd assumed it was just another part of Earth. I know its the future, but I would imagine there might still be one or two jungles around. I know the sky was different but thought perhaps its was something to do with the blast from the cruciable.

I also still don't understand how Liara ended up in the ship when she was on the ground in London with my Shep. The Normandy is too big to pick them up so they would have had to take a shuttle up to the ship. Makes no sense why they would do that..

Modifié par PurpleWhisper, 13 mars 2012 - 07:09 .

[Flammenpanzer]

ladyvader wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

azarhal wrote...

Javik and Liara hate each others too, which make for super awesome party interactions!

I don't think they hate each other.

There are a few conflicts they have...

1)  Liara's disappointment that the Protheans don't live up to her (and others) romanticizing of them.
2)  Liara holds her race in high esteem while Javik sees the asari as primitives they manipulated.

...but I don't think it's hate.

Javik thinks all the species are primitive.  His comments about the salarians is funny to say the least.

I agree with both on the conflict with Liara and Javik.  He talks down to everyone.

Did you hear the bit when Tali is drunk over the intercom? She says something like this to Javik:

"Ah...you act so tought and mean to Liara...but I think you Liiikkeee her"
"You are intoxicated, which is dangerous for you..."
Here is the link

[Arlionis]

PurpleWhisper wrote...

Just a quick question and one that has probably been answered somewhere here already: is it definately an unknown planet that the Normandy lands on? I'd assumed it was just another part of Earth. I know its the future, but I would imagine there might still be one or two jungles around. I know the sky was different but thought perhaps its was something to do with the blast from the cruciable.

I also still don't understand how Liara ended up in the ship when she was on the ground in London with my Shep. The Normandy is too big to pick them up so they would have had to take a shuttle up to the ship. Makes no sense why they would do that..

The most likely candidate (according to what many are suggesting) is the moon Asphodel of the planet Zion in the Utopia system. 

Close enough from Earth, it has an athmosphere tick enough to sustain life, it's a jungle "planet", from its surface you'll see a skyline very similar to the one in the ending, etc. 

Modifié par Arlionis, 13 mars 2012 - 07:17 .

[ladyvader]

PurpleWhisper wrote...

Just a quick question and one that has probably been answered somewhere here already: is it definately an unknown planet that the Normandy lands on? I'd assumed it was just another part of Earth. I know its the future, but I would imagine there might still be one or two jungles around. I know the sky was different but thought perhaps its was something to do with the blast from the cruciable.

I also still don't understand how Liara ended up in the ship when she was on the ground in London with my Shep. The Normandy is too big to pick them up so they would have had to take a shuttle up to the ship. Makes no sense why they would do that..

I don't think they landed on Earth.  Unless they time traveled some place.  Possible.  And for Liara on the Normandy, I just don't know.  1st run I had Liara and EDI and they both were on the Normandy during the synergy ending.  I did all three ending on the 1st run and Liara was there all three times.  Weird I know.