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[Kadzin]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Liara's reaction to the confrontation scene has been questioned a lot for a while. So I emailed Drew Karpyshyn about it, and being her writer for ME1, here's his two cents on it. Keep in mind, he's not her writer from now on (stopped writing for her after ME2), has been written by other writers since LOTSB, and will continue to be written by others and reviewed by Mac Walters in ME3. But when it comes to what they were going for back then, and possible original intent, here's his thoughts:


Hey Drew,
>
> Do you consider Liara not being angry about the threesome response an
> oversight? Or do you believe she'd be ok with the idea? Because many seem
> to take her lack of caring about Shepard wanting both her and Ash/Kaidan,
> as meaning she isn't apposed to being in a three person relationship. She
> instead says the same thing she says when you pick her over Ash, "I'm glad
> you chose me". Which makes it seem like her reaction to the threesome line
> simply wasn't considered.
>
> So, was it a simple oversight, and she's really still around for gameplay
> reasons (She's the only character that can be with both male and female
> Shepard, and you guys simply didn't want the line to kill both romances).
> Or is she completely ok with being shared?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> TMA


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Sorry it took so long to reply to this e-mail; I'm a little behind on
getting back to folks.

I think Liara, as most asari, is more open minded when it comes to sexual
pratices and how they vary from culture to culture and within specific
culture.

The asari are very open to new experiences, and very comfortable with
their sexuality, so she wouldn't have the same kind of reaction as Ash
when presented with something many humans consider non-traditional.

Drew

Basicly what this means is you should be able to convince Liara to do a threesome in ME3 xD

[jlb524]

She wouldn't react the same way as Ash/Kaidan because the asari don't have the same romantic ideals (i.e., monogamy) as we do nor do they have the same sexual hangups...like thinking group sex is 'dirty' and not something an upstanding citizen would engage in, while the two person deal is the way to go.

[Sepewrath]

lol what do you think, their having mind melding orgies? Also Liara did say that the image of them living like it was the 60's was an incorrect stereotype. They may not be as strict as humans when it comes to monogamy, like not too many people get together just for the purpose of making a kid and then take off, that's something reserved for the non pants wearing animals of Earth. The Asari may do that, but Liara didn't indicate that she was cool with Shepard just having sex with anything that moves, nor has it been shown that the Asari don't care about someone their suppose to be a in a relationship, doing whatever they please being some sort of cultural thing.

[jlb524]

Sepewrath wrote...

lol what do you think, their having mind melding orgies? Also Liara did say that the image of them living like it was the 60's was an incorrect stereotype. They may not be as strict as humans when it comes to monogamy, like not too many people get together just for the purpose of making a kid and then take off, that's something reserved for the non pants wearing animals of Earth. The Asari may do that, but Liara didn't indicate that she was cool with Shepard just having sex with anything that moves, nor has it been shown that the Asari don't care about someone their suppose to be a in a relationship, doing whatever they please being some sort of cultural thing.

Of course not.   However, being open to the idea of having a threesome with your partner and another doesn't equate to any of that.  That doesn't mean Liara would be cool with Shepard having sex with anything that moves nor that she doesn't love Shepard.

Liara was upset about the ME2 LIs not because Shepard just had sex with them but because there were feelings involved.

[TMA LIVE]

Liara does say she might have misinterpreted things when it comes to human relationship when confronting Ash. And you can literally tell Liara that Ash/Kaidan is special, while telling her that you're interested in her as well. Both at the beginning of Liara's romance, and the confrontation.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 23 juillet 2011 - 11:04 .

[TMA LIVE]

If I had to guess, in ME2 (and in ME1) there's a difference between being open, and being dumped. You left her for someone else. You love someone else behind her back. You tried to move on. And you didn't tell her. In ME1, the relationship didn't start yet. If Ash agreed to it, and if Liara was still interested in Shepard, she'd go for it. But after that, the romance is already established. She might just prefer things stay between you and her. Or she might still be more open.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 23 juillet 2011 - 11:02 .

[Sepewrath]

jlb524 wrote...

Of course not.   However, being open to the idea of having a threesome with your partner and another doesn't equate to any of that.  That doesn't mean Liara would be cool with Shepard having sex with anything that moves nor that she doesn't love Shepard.

Liara was upset about the ME2 LIs not because Shepard just had sex with them but because there were feelings involved.

How is it any different, there were clearly feelings involved in the confrontation in ME1, otherwise there wouldn't have been one. And Shepard's response to two people pouring their heart out is, "Cant I just bang you both?" Granted I would have said the same thing lol, but I also wouldn't have expected a pretty outcome from it and certainly not a yes, unless neither person really did care about some kind of relationship and then I would have to wonder, what the hell was the point of the confrontation.

[TMA LIVE]

Though to be honest, it's kind of hard to know. Not only does she react negatively to you moving on to someone else, but when you kiss her, and speak to her later, she says "I know you're not with anyone now", despite still being with your ME2 LI.

This is another reason why I said "Because she now has different writers". Things probably changed.

[TMA LIVE]

Sepewrath wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Of course not.   However, being open to the idea of having a threesome with your partner and another doesn't equate to any of that.  That doesn't mean Liara would be cool with Shepard having sex with anything that moves nor that she doesn't love Shepard.

Liara was upset about the ME2 LIs not because Shepard just had sex with them but because there were feelings involved.

How is it any different, there were clearly feelings involved in the confrontation in ME1, otherwise there wouldn't have been one. And Shepard's response to two people pouring their heart out is, "Cant I just bang you both?" Granted I would have said the same thing lol, but I also wouldn't have expected a pretty outcome from it and certainly not a yes, unless neither person really did care about some kind of relationship and then I would have to wonder, what the hell was the point of the confrontation.

I'm guessing it was more about Ash/Kaidan wanting a choice made.

[TMA LIVE]

It's the same demo. I'm sure Casey is going to say the same things.

[Kadzin]

TMA LIVE wrote...

It's the same demo. I'm sure Casey is going to say the same things.

8 more months of this >_<
Kind of makes me wonder how many more times i can replay ME 1 and 2 and still pick Liara as an LI every time xD

[Sepewrath]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm guessing it was more about Ash/Kaidan wanting a choice made.

Well Liara certainly seemed like she was interested in a choice, she was just more willing to settle.

And same demo, with hand picked questions. means same basic information we've been hearing since E3.

[TheMarshal]

Lezlie.Shep wrote...

Not really, some new things like the Normandy rooms.

Edit: Playing the LotSB will have a slight effect in ME3.

He seemed to be stumbling over himself when he was talking about that.  I wonder if that'll mean you didn't know that Liara is the Shadow Broker now, or something else entirely.

[jlb524]

Sepewrath wrote...

How is it any different, there were clearly feelings involved in the confrontation in ME1, otherwise there wouldn't have been one. And Shepard's response to two people pouring their heart out is, "Cant I just bang you both?" Granted I would have said the same thing lol, but I also wouldn't have expected a pretty outcome from it and certainly not a yes, unless neither person really did care about some kind of relationship and then I would have to wonder, what the hell was the point of the confrontation.

I'm saying that people in loving relationships can and sometimes do engage in 'threesomes' with another person or even have open relationships. 

I'm pretty sure that Ashley and Kaidan force the confrontation.  Liara simply had an open mind.  She's an asari and they don't get the idea that ''monogamy is the only way' drilled into their heads repeatedly by their society.  So, she's not shocked by the request.  She's not thinking "OMG, how dare s/he suggest that!" but is probably thinking, "I wonder if most human relationships are of this nature?" and considers it. 

This doesn't mean that her opinions haven't changed, given that she does know a bit more about human culture and the importance placed on monogamy while her feelings have also deepened for Shepard since that confrontation scene.  I still don't think that would preclude her from agreeing to enter in a threesome with Shepard and someone they both find attractive.

[TMA LIVE]

Lezlie.Shep wrote...

Not really, some new things like the Normandy rooms.

Edit: Playing the LotSB will have a slight effect in ME3.

Yeah, he said that about LOTSB yesterday. I'm still questioning if he means Liara is going to explain it, or Shepard simply wasn't involved if you never played it. Originally Casey said a "Previously on Mass Effect" sequence would explain it, but now I'm wondering if they cut it.

Don't remember any Normandy Rooms though.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 23 juillet 2011 - 11:51 .

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

jlb524 wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

How is it any different, there were clearly feelings involved in the confrontation in ME1, otherwise there wouldn't have been one. And Shepard's response to two people pouring their heart out is, "Cant I just bang you both?" Granted I would have said the same thing lol, but I also wouldn't have expected a pretty outcome from it and certainly not a yes, unless neither person really did care about some kind of relationship and then I would have to wonder, what the hell was the point of the confrontation.

I'm saying that people in loving relationships can and sometimes do engage in 'threesomes' with another person or even have open relationships. 

I'm pretty sure that Ashley and Kaidan force the confrontation.  Liara simply had an open mind.  She's an asari and they don't get the idea that ''monogamy is the only way' drilled into their heads repeatedly by their society.  So, she's not shocked by the request.  She's not thinking "OMG, how dare s/he suggest that!" but is probably thinking, "I wonder if most human relationships are of this nature?" and considers it. 

This doesn't mean that her opinions haven't changed, given that she does know a bit more about human culture and the importance placed on monogamy while her feelings have also deepened for Shepard since that confrontation scene.  I still don't think that would preclude her from agreeing to enter in a threesome with Shepard and someone they both find attractive.

Liara would not first admit her feelings because she "feared Shepard was already involved with (Ashley or Kaidan, depending on gender)", she abandons the idea of a relationship if Shepard says the other squadmate is important to them, Liara confronts Shepard if he/she romances both Liara and another squad member, and Liara becomes angry with Shepard if he/she romanced an ME2 LI and had a relationship with Liara in ME1. Asari may be a bit knieve of human culture and customs, but it certainly does not sound like she would approve of something like that.

Modifié par Kaiser_Wilhelm, 23 juillet 2011 - 11:57 .

[TMA LIVE]

TheMarshal wrote...

Lezlie.Shep wrote...

Not really, some new things like the Normandy rooms.

Edit: Playing the LotSB will have a slight effect in ME3.

He seemed to be stumbling over himself when he was talking about that.  I wonder if that'll mean you didn't know that Liara is the Shadow Broker now, or something else entirely.

He definitely danced around it. He was asked how being the broker affects her as a squadmate, yet all he talked about was import differences.

[Sepewrath]

I think he just didn't want to say that if you didn't play Lair, you simply have to catch up because it happened. The folly of important plot details existing in DLC.

[TMA LIVE]

Sepewrath wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm guessing it was more about Ash/Kaidan wanting a choice made.

Well Liara certainly seemed like she was interested in a choice, she was just more willing to settle.

Well, when one person is being hostile, or demanding an answer, that's not exactly an open relationship. That's "We want an answer on what's what".

[TMA LIVE]

I guess the only thing I can think of is that in ME1, since the relationship was just being setup, it was going to be whatever was decided. And if it was going to be a threesome relationship, Liara wasn't apposed to it. But after being with Shepard and herself for most of ME1, and a month after, she doesn't want to be shared. Her feelings changed. She wants a exclusive relationship.

That, or "I know you're not with anyone now" means "I know that other person isn't here right now".

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 24 juillet 2011 - 12:08 .

[jlb524]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

Liara would not first admit her feelings because she "feared Shepard was already involved with (Ashley or Kaidan, depending on gender)", she abandons the idea of a relationship if Shepard says the other squadmate is important to them, Liara confronts Shepard if he/she romances both Liara and another squad member, and Liara becomes angry with Shepard if he/she romanced an ME2 LI and had a relationship with Liara in ME1. Asari may be a bit knieve of human culture and customs, but it certainly does not sound like she would approve of something like that.

Right, she feared Shepard only had the hots for the other and was possibly involved with them.  After Shepard then goes on to express interest in Liara, that changes.  In that convo, you can basically tell her you like Ash/Kaidan and her, and she still goes after Shepard. Then the ME1 confrontation scene happens.

It's not that the asari are necessarily simply naive of human customs...that's not what Drew is saying...he's saying they are more open and accepting of other cultural views regarding romance and they are also more open sexually.   Liara probably has preferences (perhaps she would prefer a monogamous relationship) but is willing to keep an open mind while most humans would not, as they feel strongly that monogamy is the only way to go (because our culture says so).

ME2 is a different story, as Shepard was dating someone behind Liara's back.

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

jlb524 wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

Liara would not first admit her feelings because she "feared Shepard was already involved with (Ashley or Kaidan, depending on gender)", she abandons the idea of a relationship if Shepard says the other squadmate is important to them, Liara confronts Shepard if he/she romances both Liara and another squad member, and Liara becomes angry with Shepard if he/she romanced an ME2 LI and had a relationship with Liara in ME1. Asari may be a bit knieve of human culture and customs, but it certainly does not sound like she would approve of something like that.

Right, she feared Shepard only had the hots for the other and was possibly involved with them.  After Shepard then goes on to express interest in Liara, that changes.  In that convo, you can basically tell her you like Ash/Kaidan and her, and she still goes after Shepard. Then the ME1 confrontation scene happens.

It's not that the asari are necessarily simply naive of human customs...that's not what Drew is saying...he's saying they are more open and accepting of other cultural views regarding romance and they are also more open sexually.   Liara probably has preferences (perhaps she would prefer a monogamous relationship) but is willing to keep an open mind while most humans would not, as they feel strongly that monogamy is the only way to go (because our culture says so).

ME2 is a different story, as Shepard was dating someone behind Liara's back.

Many people who are in relationships also like other people or wouldn't mind being with other people. That doesn't mean they want anything to happen between the three people involved, which is mostly likely what Liara thought. That, or she simply was unaware, due to her admitted complete lack of knowledge on humans, that monogomy is most preferred and that polygomy is frowned upon or disliked by the majority.

[jlb524]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

Many people who are in relationships also like other people or wouldn't mind being with other people. That doesn't mean they want anything to happen between the three people involved, which is mostly likely what Liara thought. That, or she simply was unaware, due to her admitted complete lack of knowledge on humans, that monogomy is most preferred and that polygomy is frowned upon or disliked by the majority.

Right, but it's humans that have this attitude, not the asari (and Liara by extension).  Her personal opinions on the matter have been shaped by asari influences and culture, not by humanity's.