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[ladyvader]

Logan Cloud wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...

Liara nearing her "30s"? I can't see that at all. She was way too naive and sweet in ME1. Plus she had a baby face. She couldn't have been more than 23 by Asari standards.

Mass Effect 3 Liara looks closer to 30s though, which is ironic. It's only been 3 years.

I never saw Liara as naive in general; mostly in regards to humans and dealing with other people.  I don't think that's an age thing for someone who's been isolated from others for a large portion of her life.

Well she's leaning more on the Paragon side of the spectrum, which does seem littered with naivity in my opinion. I do see what you're saying though. Still, she did say "barely more than a child." Humans are considered adults (usually) at 18. So Liara would be a little older than that if she was human. I wouldn't say 19, because that's a little TOO young, but I don't think she could be any older than 23.

Closer to the mid-20s though, because she matures quite a bit in ME2 and 3. Her face is more defined, so it seems more mature, but the way she looked originally was still very young. Like the huge eyes, and her face was slightly pokeable,

If I go by Liara's education alone and use that in human terms.  You start college at 18.  That takes 3-5 years depending on your major and how many classes you take.  Now add in another 1-2 years for a Master's degree then another 1-2 years for your Ph'd that is older than 23.  Most are 22-23 when they earn their BA or BS degree.  Then Liara was working in the field for 50 years.  She in human terms is closer to 30 than to 20.

And remember this....asari's body continues to change over the course of their entire life.  Their boobs get bigger.  Listen to Aethyta's comments about Nezzie's rack.  

Modifié par ladyvader, 21 mars 2012 - 08:27 .

[Ferbian]

ladyvader wrote...

Ferbian wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
I know it is.  I do get annoyed when people say Liara is a teenager in human terms. 

Now I feel almost bad for continuing the subject.

I want to ask you this.  How many 18-19 years old do you know with a BS or BA degree?  Let alone a PH'd?  Don't feel bad, it isn't the first time this has been talked about. 

We are talking about one species that lives up to 150 and the other can live over 1000.  They are hard to compare.  Liara seems to me to be that was focused on doing her work.  She wasn't around others that much and worked alone mostly.  Her notes on the Protheans in ME3 even says she thinks they are now childish.  But that doesn't make her a child.

I know many people older than I am that still act like a 5-year-old.  Some peope never grow up.  Liara was not use to being around other and that is what makes her seem younger than she really is and her comments didn't help any.  But for the asari, I'm sure even at 109 and as mature as she is, they would still consider her barely an adult.  When you live for 1000 years, being in your 100's is still young.

Well of course if you look at the educational aspect, it's unfair to compare the two. There's very few people with a PH'd before the age of 20. But the comparison I'm going by is more or less the raw numbers, rather than what makes sense if transfered between an Asari and a human. Because you could easly turn it around and ask "How many people do you know who's been a virgin after the age of 25?" But obviously, even if we were to compare in terms of accomplishments, Liara still had so much more time to accomplish said educations. Personally I finished my education at the age of 19 for example (I'm an IT supporter if you must know)

And that's exactly the point, if she's in her early 100s, she's still young by Asari standards, which is why by human standards, if she was to have a human age, wouldn't she have to be young at that stage as well? 

Also, do tell me if you reach a 'too annoyed' point in this debate, that's not the purpose of it, I just like debating, that's all. You should see some of the stuff I used to debate / argue on a former wrestling forum of mine. Walls of text, walls I tell you. (http://2.bp.blogspot...all of Text.jpg)

[Kilshrek]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

That's where I've been for the past month and a half.

Good to be back.

Yeah, saw you around there every now and then, which is why I mentioned the place. I always come here at the end of the day. Feels like home, or as close as it can be when it's virtual and you don't actually know the other folks who live there. But, y'know.

Ferbian wrote...

I got that impression from the way you reacted. It's not how I initially thought of Liara, and it's not really why I like her either. But if you had to be shallow and quick about why you decided to romance Liara in Mass Effect 1, there's your answer.

Heh, I can't disagree? Though I must add, blue, I mean, how many hot blue chicks do you come across then, huh? Before you went to Illium or anywhere else.

Logan Cloud wrote...

Must not let them see me cry... I'm manly dammit!
[Cries manly tears from the cuteness]

I gave up on the pretense long ago. Or rather, whenever I finished ME 3... seems like a long time ago..

Modifié par Kilshrek, 21 mars 2012 - 08:31 .

[Tyranniac]

That baby picture is so cute! 

But...

Wait...

Damn it...



...maybe I should do an ME1 playthrough or something to cheer me up. Has any of you tried that? Good idea? Not sure if I can motivate myself.

[jlb524]

I think any asari in their Maiden stage (up to around age 350) would still be considered barely more than a child by the older asari.

The average asari doesn't settle down until the Matron stage (if she decides to do so). Maiden's are supposed to be curious/adventurous and even a little reckless and they typically have many sexual partners (which makes Liara's inexperience in that area even more interesting) even though they can't reproduce yet (which differs from humans who can biologically reproduce before it's socially acceptable for them to have sex).

Even so, I think Maidens are as mature as most adult humans...they're just immature compared to the asari Matrons/Matriarchs.

[cohina]

I think I've said this before, but I'm saying this again. IMHO we simply can't compare asari age to human age, they're just two whole different thing. Liara is young adult, yes, but you can't say she's something between 17-25 in human terms. She's 109 and that's it. She's been studying Protheans about 50 years and before that got her university degree. A human with such merits would have already retired, while she's considered barely an adult, almost child among the other asari. She's not a human, she's an asari and that's all there is to it.

Why do we have to keep bothering our heads with how to compare asari age to human age, when we simply can't. Threy're a whole different species, with different kind of life stages and all. If you wanna do this with simple calculus, comparing ages, the Asari reach sexual maturity in the age of 40, right? so if you proportion that to human life span, that would be at the age of 6, which, as we know, is not true to us humans. The simple math just doesn't work here, we can't compare those two things.

Modifié par cohina, 21 mars 2012 - 08:36 .

[Kilshrek]

Tyranniac wrote...

That baby picture is so cute! 

But...

Wait...

Damn it...



...maybe I should do an ME1 playthrough or something to cheer me up. Has any of you tried that? Good idea? Not sure if I can motivate myself.

Uhh... gotta block out the ME 3 ending, no easy feat. Honestly I feel their relationship is at it's peak in ME 3, and sadly, that's when it goes pear shaped as well.

There is no curse in the tongues of man, asari, turians, hanar, volus, elcor, salarians... that can articulate my rage, disappointment and utter despair at the ending of ME 3.

jlb524 wrote...

I think any asari in their Maiden stage (up to around age 350) would still be considered barely more than a child by the older asari.

The average asari doesn't settle down until the Matron stage (if she decides to do so). Maiden's are supposed to be curious/adventurous and even a little reckless and they typically have many sexual partners (which makes Liara's inexperience in that area even more interesting) even though they can't reproduce yet (which differs from humans who can biologically reproduce before it's socially acceptable for them to have sex).

Even so, I think Maidens are as mature as most adult humans...they're just immature compared to the asari Matrons/Matriarchs.

Which is interesting, because so far, we know next to nothing of asari physiology. It would have been interesting if Dr Chakwas were to offer some insight into the matter, especially if we had romanced Liara from ME 1. Something along the lines of like, "be careful, etc etc. "

I mean, Mordin was nosy!

Modifié par Kilshrek, 21 mars 2012 - 08:37 .

[Ferbian]

Kilshrek wrote...

Heh, I can't disagree? Though I must add, blue, I mean, how many hot blue chicks do you come across then, huh? Before you went to Illium or anywhere else.

Well yeah, sure. It's one thing to make her unique, and I'm sure it would damage her to have any other colour, even human colours actually (Which is why Jillian Murray isn't half as pretty as Liara, despite them being one and the same technically). But, from a colour perspective, I've always prefered red (Boy do I feel another beating incoming. I could garner a whole lot of hate from the hardcore fans of various things on this forum. Watch me go into the tali thread and ponder why anybody could find a mask hot, and whether they fapped to Jim Carrey's movie too.. lol I'm messed up)

[GODofWAR93]

Deventh wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
God I still think your avatar is awesome. Hard to keep focussed on the text=]

It's all going according to plan...hehe.
Talking about the picture..i like how she blushes.

she looks great as always

[TMA LIVE]

Here's a scribble of what I'm planning, after the ending came out.



Got a lot of work that needs to be done.

[Kilshrek]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Here's a scribble of what I'm planning, after the ending came out.



Got a lot of work that needs to be done.

Lookin plenty good so far!

Ferbian wrote...

Well yeah, sure. It's one thing to make her unique, and I'm sure it would damage her to have any other colour, even human colours actually (Which is why Jillian Murray isn't half as pretty as Liara, despite them being
one and the same technically). But, from a colour perspective, I've always prefered red (Boy do I feel another beating incoming. I could garner a whole lot of hate from the hardcore fans of various things on this forum. Watch me go into the tali thread and ponder why anybody could find a mask hot, and whether they fapped to Jim Carrey's movie too.. lol I'm messed up)

Star Wars this ain't! Anyway, blue is a perfectly acceptable colour, I like blue red and orange. Uhm, please don't stir up trouble?

And... ME movie, meh.. not my thing.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 21 mars 2012 - 08:40 .

[Tyranniac]

Kilshrek wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

That baby picture is so cute! 

But...

Wait...

Damn it...



...maybe I should do an ME1 playthrough or something to cheer me up. Has any of you tried that? Good idea? Not sure if I can motivate myself.

Uhh... gotta block out the ME 3 ending, no easy feat. Honestly I feel their relationship is at it's peak in ME 3, and sadly, that's when it goes pear shaped as well.

There is no curse in the tongues of man, asari, turians, hanar, volus, elcor, salarians... that can articulate my rage, disappointment and utter despair at the ending of ME 3.

...

Yeah... that would be why I'm not sure if I can motivate myself. Urgh... just... urgh. 

[ladyvader]

Ferbian wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Ferbian wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
I know it is.  I do get annoyed when people say Liara is a teenager in human terms. 

Now I feel almost bad for continuing the subject.

I want to ask you this.  How many 18-19 years old do you know with a BS or BA degree?  Let alone a PH'd?  Don't feel bad, it isn't the first time this has been talked about. 

We are talking about one species that lives up to 150 and the other can live over 1000.  They are hard to compare.  Liara seems to me to be that was focused on doing her work.  She wasn't around others that much and worked alone mostly.  Her notes on the Protheans in ME3 even says she thinks they are now childish.  But that doesn't make her a child.

I know many people older than I am that still act like a 5-year-old.  Some peope never grow up.  Liara was not use to being around other and that is what makes her seem younger than she really is and her comments didn't help any.  But for the asari, I'm sure even at 109 and as mature as she is, they would still consider her barely an adult.  When you live for 1000 years, being in your 100's is still young.

Well of course if you look at the educational aspect, it's unfair to compare the two. There's very few people with a PH'd before the age of 20. But the comparison I'm going by is more or less the raw numbers, rather than what makes sense if transfered between an Asari and a human. Because you could easly turn it around and ask "How many people do you know who's been a virgin after the age of 25?" But obviously, even if we were to compare in terms of accomplishments, Liara still had so much more time to accomplish said educations. Personally I finished my education at the age of 19 for example (I'm an IT supporter if you must know)

And that's exactly the point, if she's in her early 100s, she's still young by Asari standards, which is why by human standards, if she was to have a human age, wouldn't she have to be young at that stage as well? 

Also, do tell me if you reach a 'too annoyed' point in this debate, that's not the purpose of it, I just like debating, that's all. You should see some of the stuff I used to debate / argue on a former wrestling forum of mine. Walls of text, walls I tell you. (http://2.bp.blogspot...all of Text.jpg)

Women who throw themselves into their work don't have much of a social life when they are single.When they do that they tend to not look to settle down until they are in their 30's.  I tend to view Liara in that.  Her focus was her work.  Not dating.  She got into trouble as a kid for digging for ruins in the park's grass.  All Liara cared about until she met Shepard was finding out what happened to the Protheans.  Then she met Shepard and Shepard had the answers Liara was seeking for 30 years.

[hollow22_]

Ferbian wrote...


Well I certainly like it just as well, no harm done. But I do like proper eyed Liara as she is now. More time for those damn blue eyes. *catches myself staring at them again*

you mean that?:

:wub:

[Arcataye]

Robhuzz wrote...

You haven't reached the end of the game yet? Then I'll give you a fair warning: For all that's holy, and to stop you from falling over crying, do not... and I mean DO NOT continue playing after the 'goodbye' scenes on Earth. You'll know when you've reached that point. You do not want to experience the ending first hand...

When you meet Marauder Shields, let him save you from the ending, then push alt-F4 and imagine that the reapers won, it's easier that way!

[Kilshrek]

Tyranniac wrote...
Yeah... that would be why I'm not sure if I can motivate myself. Urgh... just... urgh. 

Well, you've got a place that welcomes you, right here.

And you know what, THIS song is playing for Shepard, after the Reapers are destroyed. And she's damn well making it home, to where the Normandy, and Liara is....

* sorry about the sad video, it's the only one where I can find the song I'm looking for...


off to enjoy some foot to ball, behave, all of you.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 21 mars 2012 - 08:50 .

[ladyvader]

Holy crap. I just watched a vid of my single femShep from ME1 and the debrief with Liara at that point. I really did change how she looked. Damn stupid import not working right. That is the one thing I want fixed. I want Shepard to look how I created them in ME1.

Here is a link to the vid from ME1 and the debrief with Liara with single femShep. Yes, she changed, because I didn't know her code. The only code from ME1 I know is Leia, my canon femShep.

Modifié par ladyvader, 21 mars 2012 - 08:50 .

[Ferbian]

Kilshrek wrote...

Star Wars this ain't! Anyway, blue is a perfectly acceptable colour, I like blue red and orange. Uhm, please don't stir up trouble?

And... ME movie, meh.. not my thing.

Star Wars? XD what's with that reference?

If you had said green instead of orange, I might've given you a weird look, considering the ending of ME3. And I'm not gonna stir up trouble, I never were a troublemaker.

I said it earlier, I'm gonna check out the movie, but most likely for the chance of finding stuff to critique.

ladyvader wrote...
Women who throw themselves into their work
don't have much of a social life when they are single.When they do that
they tend to not look to settle down until they are in their 30's. 
I tend to view Liara in that.  Her focus was her work.  Not dating.  She
got into trouble as a kid for digging for ruins in the park's grass. 
All Liara cared about until she met Shepard was finding out what
happened to the Protheans.  Then she met Shepard and Shepard had the
answers Liara was seeking for 30 years.

Well of course, I'll acknowledge that. But obviously she wasn't occupied by that her entire life, you said the sexual maturity stage was around 40 for an Asari, and she had been out studying for 50 years when we encountered her at age 106, meaning she had at least 16 years of.. experimenting, should she have wished to do so.

Doesn't matter to me anyway whether she was a virgin or not. Just saying how many really are that far into their life?

[PMC65]

MaroAlighieri wrote...

cohina

See, that's what I've been trying to say here. Women wearing glasses are hot, like we discussed, but only when they're wearing them because they have poor eyesight, not because they look "cool", 'cause fake glasses don't look cool, on anyone. It's nice to see someone agrees with me here .

*shakes fist* My eyesight is fine and I wear glasses. Granted, they aren't buddy holly frames and they have lenses but still. I don't wear them because they're "cool", I wear them because they look good on me. Now back to Liara's boobs...or face or whatever.

Picture please!

As to the whole "virgin" thing. Ech! I would rather have an experienced lover then a virgin and I've always crushed on women in their thirties and forties. Unfortunately in my teens and twenties they wouldn't play with me but now ... Yes, life gets better!  

I had to look at Liara as 106 years old to try her out because if I had seen her as a teen/early 20's inexperienced girl my Shepard would have just stayed single or fooled around with Kaidan.

[ladyvader]

Logan Cloud wrote...

hollow22_ wrote...

Ferbian wrote...


Well I certainly like it just as well, no harm done. But I do like proper eyed Liara as she is now. More time for those damn blue eyes. *catches myself staring at them again*

you mean that?:

:wub:

My... My fragile nerd heart... It's melting!
As much as I love those blue eyes, I'm totally in love with Ali Hillis' voice.

Lightning in FFXIII was my favourite character. Then I found out she was Liara.
Her epicness went up by 50%.

The only reason I bought FFXIII was because Hillis was Lightning.  I could hear a little Liara in Lightning at times, but when Lightning punches out Snow, I kept thinking...Liara is channeling her inner Shepard.    


Since it's the TOP have another pic.  Everyone enjoy your afternoon/evening or what ever time it is where you live.

Modifié par ladyvader, 21 mars 2012 - 08:55 .

[Raven Kesrar]

Logan Cloud wrote...

hollow22_ wrote...

Ferbian wrote...


Well I certainly like it just as well, no harm done. But I do like proper eyed Liara as she is now. More time for those damn blue eyes. *catches myself staring at them again*

you mean that?:

:wub:

My... My fragile nerd heart... It's melting!
As much as I love those blue eyes, I'm totally in love with Ali Hillis' voice.

Lightning in FFXIII was my favourite character. Then I found out she was Liara.
Her epicness went up by 50%.

I recently found out about this, I smiled and got myself thinking , no wonder I liked lightning so much, it's basically Liara but in a different shell , it’s the voice that hooks you up, and of course those blue eyes