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[Robhuzz]

King Minos wrote...

And why would an eyerol emotion would be useful, I gave my opinion, sure it is a 'negative' liara comment that is completely against the liara love here, but there is something with liara and feron. Why would you risk your life and fight a very powerful organisation to save someone you only met, especially if they originally planned to betray you, I know I would not give a toss about them. Would you save someone who planned to sell your partners corpse for money?

Yet you ask if we think Liara had a quicky with Feron. If you had had a quick fling with a girl/guy you just met, would that mean you'd risk your life for that person in the way Liara did? If you ask whether Liara cares about Feron, the answers is clearly yes. Though this care does not have to be romantic. In Liara's case it's professional and based on friendship. I also feel liara feels honor bound to try and help Feron. Without his help, Shepard wouldn't have been able to come back, Liara says so herself, she owes Feron and feels she must do something to either rescue or avenge him. This does not mean they had a romance or even a quick fling together.

Edit: Top of the page Liara pic.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 27 juillet 2011 - 07:55 .

[King Minos]

Wow, totally what not I expected, after the eyebal comment I thought you would launch a full verbal assault against me, nice to know that there a civil people in this forum hope we can keep it this way. Do you know the length they Spent with each other? Romance can develope very easily as shown by liara in me 1, ok a one night stand may of been extreme but feelings can develope during hard times and this was a hard time for liara.

[King Minos]

It's only natural for someone to seek comfort and a one night stand could of happened. Sorry for double post, iPod touch isn't easy for me, spell check makes it even harder and replaces words win others.

[Robhuzz]

King Minos wrote...

Wow, totally what not I expected, after the eyebal comment I thought you would launch a full verbal assault against me, nice to know that there a civil people in this forum hope we can keep it this way. Do you know the length they Spent with each other? Romance can develope very easily as shown by liara in me 1, ok a one night stand may of been extreme but feelings can develope during hard times and this was a hard time for liara.

While It's true that there are plenty of rude people on the BSN, the Liara thread is actually a nice place. Can't remember any verbal assaults in this thread or the one before.
Anyway, when not romancing Liara in ME1 and then asking about 'her and Feron' after Lotsb she doesn't outright confirm nor deny interest in Feron. She only says it's inappropriate at this time and after what Feron went through, she doesn't want to take advantage of him. This also leads me to believe Feron doesn't (yet) know of Liara's possibly interest in him so I consider it very unlikely Liara and Feron had any sort of romantic involvement prior to Lotsb.

When Shepard romances Liara however, she either ouright denies any romantic involvement and interest in Feron, or she jokingly says Shepard is jealous and asks him/her to do something about it. In short, non romanced Liara might have feelings for Feron though there's no romantic involvement to speak of. Romanced Liara just has no feelings for Feron. Which seems logical for she seemed to believe Shepard would still come back. Otherwise she wouldn't have given Shepard's body to cerberus, if there were no chance for him/her to come back.

It's only natural for someone to seek comfort and a one night stand could of happened. Sorry for double post, iPod touch isn't easy for me, spell check makes it even harder and replaces words win others.

Like I said, Liara is more akin to Bethany than Isabella. Isabella would have a one night stand (or multiple for that matter) to seek comfort. Bethany, not so much. It's not in Liara's character to do that with anyone, as proven by her cautious approach to Shepard and Liara's romance in ME1.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 27 juillet 2011 - 07:30 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

King Minos wrote...

Does anyone think liara may of had a quickie with feron? It's been two years since shep died and for all she knew, shep was gone permanent. I honestly don't trust her, the way shep goes in for a kiss and She backs off saying 'she does not want to put pressure on shep', personally I smell bullmanure, but incase she did, I made another fem shep that cheats with thane. Hehe liara! Tears have never tasted so good!

No. Considering that she only knew Feron for the duration of Redemption where they did not have sex. It would also go against her character.

personally I smell bullmanure, but incase she did, I made another fem
shep that cheats with thane. Hehe liara! Tears have never tasted so
good!

"sigh"

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mmw04014 wrote...

Can I ask someone in this thread's opinion? I'm just about to start Mass Effect 2 with my loyal-to-Liara playthrough and I'm wondering when the best time to do LOTSB is, before or after the suicide mission. I've played it both ways before but never when I was romancing Liara. Any suggestions?

Post Suicide-mission. Just makes more sense to be played in the aftermath of ME2.

However if you destroyed the Collector base Shepard will wind up sounding like a complete tool when Vasir gives her little speech. Still I prefer it to be played in the aftermath.

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

Mmw04014 wrote...

Can I ask someone in this thread's opinion? I'm just about to start Mass Effect 2 with my loyal-to-Liara playthrough and I'm wondering when the best time to do LOTSB is, before or after the suicide mission. I've played it both ways before but never when I was romancing Liara. Any suggestions?

Post Suicide-mission. Just makes more sense to be played in the aftermath of ME2.

However if you destroyed the Collector base Shepard will wind up sounding like a complete tool when Vasir gives her little speech. Still I prefer it to be played in the aftermath.

I've never actually played Lotsb after the SM, just the cabin scene was left until later. Does Shepard say something different to Vasir after the SM?

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Robhuzz wrote...
I've never actually played Lotsb after the SM, just the cabin scene was left until later. Does Shepard say something different to Vasir after the SM?

Nope. Paragon Shepard still have the same derp-worthy speech.

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
I've never actually played Lotsb after the SM, just the cabin scene was left until later. Does Shepard say something different to Vasir after the SM?

Nope. Paragon Shepard still have the same derp-worthy speech.

I won't disagree with that. I always found it silly that you were forced to defend Cerberus, no matter what you really thought of them<_<

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
I've never actually played Lotsb after the SM, just the cabin scene was left until later. Does Shepard say something different to Vasir after the SM?

Nope. Paragon Shepard still have the same derp-worthy speech.

I won't disagree with that. I always found it silly that you were forced to defend Cerberus, no matter what you really thought of them<_<

It was one of the few areas were LOTSB screwed up.

[King Minos]

Liara said things jut made me unsure about her, her teasing about what you going to do or pushing you away and not wanting to put pressure, that would be the perfect to make up what they lost for two years. Just because her character or personality won't allow it, just remembering liara has changed alot, from a innocent scientist to a cold killer? It's very obvious her thoughts and views have changed, her vies on casual sex could of change. She has a dodgy aura to her, I feel it in my gut that something isn't right, does not really help thu live for a thoasand years. She does not show much interest on shep when they first meet, I have no idea how me and my partner would react if one us was confirmed dead then came back on two years, I know for sure my partner would not suddenly spring up that she wants to kill a criminal organisation.

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
I've never actually played Lotsb after the SM, just the cabin scene was left until later. Does Shepard say something different to Vasir after the SM?

Nope. Paragon Shepard still have the same derp-worthy speech.

I won't disagree with that. I always found it silly that you were forced to defend Cerberus, no matter what you really thought of them<_<

It was one of the few areas were LOTSB screwed up.

True, Shepard could have just said Cerberus was the only one who were both willing and had the resources to help stop the attacks on human colonies. Shepard had no choice in the matter. I suppose that would also have gained some respect from Vasir, who seems to be taking the 'whatever it takes' approach a little seriously.

[King Minos]

I don't understand the liara picture edit.

[Robhuzz]

King Minos wrote...

Liara said things jut made me unsure about her, her teasing about what you going to do or pushing you away and not wanting to put pressure, that would be the perfect to make up what they lost for two years. Just because her character or personality won't allow it, just remembering liara has changed alot, from a innocent scientist to a cold killer? It's very obvious her thoughts and views have changed, her vies on casual sex could of change. She has a dodgy aura to her, I feel it in my gut that something isn't right, does not really help thu live for a thoasand years. She does not show much interest on shep when they first meet, I have no idea how me and my partner would react if one us was confirmed dead then came back on two years, I know for sure my partner would not suddenly spring up that she wants to kill a criminal organisation.

Liara's anger and aggression are aimed at the Shadow Broker. Not innocent people. So to say that she's now a cold killer would be too far. She's simply vengefull towards the Shadow Broker, first and foremost because of what he did to Shepard. Trying to sell Shepard to the collectors for his own gain struck Liara the same way. When that same Shadow broker then ambushes her and takes away Feron (whom she considered a friend by now), he crossed the line. 

Liara proceeded by trying to track down the shadow broker. To do this, she needed information, sources, contacts. But the world of intruige is a dangerous one, and she had to show she could handle it, therefore she acts tought, erects some emotional barriers (which are lowered from time to time if you pay attention) and proceeds with her work. Ignoring everyone and everything around it.

To me, this is still the old ME1 Liara, though she's toughend herself up for the outside world in order to be able to get to the shadow broker. I do not think at the core, she's changed that much. Most of it is only on the outside.

I don't understand the liara picture edit.

That's sort of a tradition among Liara fan thread regulars. Start a new page with an image of Liara:)

Modifié par Robhuzz, 27 juillet 2011 - 08:14 .

[King Minos]

She still is distant to Shepard on the shadow broker ship, after what they been through she still does not show emotion or interest in Shepard, more selfishness and feron. Shepard died. Surely lira could of shown alot more interest to that instead she was more focused on the shadowbroker information and ferons well-being, well i guess he was tortured for two years but shep died, you would definitely show signs of mental health problems, that isn't easy to deal with, two years of your life gone and you died, not a everyday norm. Liara does web express intererst afte she invites her, more of a reluctant yes. And if shep did end it, she didn't try to stop shep? She spent two years getting shep back only to allow it to just float past her?

[ladyvader]

King Minos wrote...

Does anyone think liara may of had a quickie with feron? It's been two years since shep died and for all she knew, shep was gone permanent. I honestly don't trust her, the way shep goes in for a kiss and She backs off saying 'she does not want to put pressure on shep', personally I smell bullmanure, but incase she did, I made another fem shep that cheats with thane. Hehe liara! Tears have never tasted so good!

No, she didn't do a quickie with Feron.  They were together from what I gathered in the comic, no more than a day or two tops before Liara got Shepard's body right before the exchange with the collectors took place.  That is when Feron allowed himself to get caught to help Liara escape with Shepard's body.

[Kadzin]

Robhuzz wrote...

I don't understand the liara picture edit.

That's sort of a tradition among Liara fan thread regulars. Start a new page with an image of Liara[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

That doesn't apply to just the top of the page though, because there can never be enough blue

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King Minos wrote...

She still is distant to Shepard on the shadow broker ship, after what they been through she still does not show emotion or interest in Shepard, more selfishness and feron. Shepard died. Surely lira could of shown alot more interest to that instead she was more focused on the shadowbroker information and ferons well-being, well i guess he was tortured for two years but shep died, you would definitely show signs of mental health problems, that isn't easy to deal with, two years of your life gone and you died, not a everyday norm. Liara does web express intererst afte she invites her, more of a reluctant yes. And if shep did end it, she didn't try to stop shep? She spent two years getting shep back only to allow it to just float past her?

Wait... Liara is one of the few that cares about Shepard.

Did we play the same LOTSB?

"EDIT"

Honestly I do not see where Liara displays any selfishness. She acts cold against Shepard because she does not want to become emotioanlly attached due to being afraid of being hurt.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 27 juillet 2011 - 08:44 .

[Robhuzz]

King Minos wrote...

She still is distant to Shepard on the shadow broker ship, after what they been through she still does not show emotion or interest in Shepard, more selfishness and feron. Shepard died. Surely lira could of shown alot more interest to that instead she was more focused on the shadowbroker information and ferons well-being, well i guess he was tortured for two years but shep died, you would definitely show signs of mental health problems, that isn't easy to deal with, two years of your life gone and you died, not a everyday norm. Liara does web express intererst afte she invites her, more of a reluctant yes. And if shep did end it, she didn't try to stop shep? She spent two years getting shep back only to allow it to just float past her?

Part of me feels Liara is trying to play hard to get. But she's also concerned about the two of them because both of them know the reapers are coming. Both know Shepard will be on the front lines and may not survive against such overwhelming odds. With all the pain Shepard's death has caused Liara, she's reluctant to get back into a relationship because she doesn't want to be hurt like that any more. 

And just look at Liara when you call it off with her, that's a very sad Liara right there. She fully expects Shepard to want to get involved with her again at that point, even though she draws the impression that she doesn't. 

Edit: Sort of ninja'ed by Lizard:pinched:

Modifié par Robhuzz, 27 juillet 2011 - 08:47 .

[ladyvader]

King Minos wrote...

She still is distant to Shepard on the shadow broker ship, after what they been through she still does not show emotion or interest in Shepard, more selfishness and feron. Shepard died. Surely lira could of shown alot more interest to that instead she was more focused on the shadowbroker information and ferons well-being, well i guess he was tortured for two years but shep died, you would definitely show signs of mental health problems, that isn't easy to deal with, two years of your life gone and you died, not a everyday norm. Liara does web express intererst afte she invites her, more of a reluctant yes. And if shep did end it, she didn't try to stop shep? She spent two years getting shep back only to allow it to just float past her?

I'm wondering did you read the comic at all?  

Liara didn't move on.  She bottled herself into going after the Shadow Broker.  For what he did to Shepard(trying to sell the body to the collectors) and Feron(she didn't know if he was dead or a captive).  She also didn't want to dwell on the hope that Cerberus could do what they said they could do.  That was to bring Shepard back.

Even if Shepard is with someone else and Liara knows about it, she does state that maybe in the furture they can get back together.  If you romanced her in ME and didn't do the interrupt kiss. 

How was she being selfish?   I'm very sure that after defeating the SB, her emotions were all over the place.  Which is why she did break down and start crying.  

[ladyvader]

Robhuzz wrote...

King Minos wrote...

She still is distant to Shepard on the shadow broker ship, after what they been through she still does not show emotion or interest in Shepard, more selfishness and feron. Shepard died. Surely lira could of shown alot more interest to that instead she was more focused on the shadowbroker information and ferons well-being, well i guess he was tortured for two years but shep died, you would definitely show signs of mental health problems, that isn't easy to deal with, two years of your life gone and you died, not a everyday norm. Liara does web express intererst afte she invites her, more of a reluctant yes. And if shep did end it, she didn't try to stop shep? She spent two years getting shep back only to allow it to just float past her?

Part of me feels Liara is trying to play hard to get. But she's also concerned about the two of them because both of them know the reapers are coming. Both know Shepard will be on the front lines and may not survive against such overwhelming odds. With all the pain Shepard's death has caused Liara, she's reluctant to get back into a relationship because she doesn't want to be hurt like that any more. 

And just look at Liara when you call it off with her, that's a very sad Liara right there. She fully expects Shepard to want to get involved with her again at that point, even though she draws the impression that she doesn't. 

Edit: Sort of ninja'ed by Lizard:pinched:

If you renegade that break up too, I think that is when Shepard wouldn't even look at Liara.  Bad Shep bad.  

[King Minos]

Selfishness as in shep joined with liara against the shadow broker, a very powerful criminal organisation and also in the process, fighing a yahg, put sheps life and countless civilians at risk and killing a spectre who I believe did the right choise in getting info from the broker to save the council. In return, shep got a little 15 - 30 min chat, barely a reunion and a catch up from the two tees they lost together. That's alot to put someone in especially if they just came back from the dead.

[Robhuzz]

ladyvader wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

King Minos wrote...

She still is distant to Shepard on the shadow broker ship, after what they been through she still does not show emotion or interest in Shepard, more selfishness and feron. Shepard died. Surely lira could of shown alot more interest to that instead she was more focused on the shadowbroker information and ferons well-being, well i guess he was tortured for two years but shep died, you would definitely show signs of mental health problems, that isn't easy to deal with, two years of your life gone and you died, not a everyday norm. Liara does web express intererst afte she invites her, more of a reluctant yes. And if shep did end it, she didn't try to stop shep? She spent two years getting shep back only to allow it to just float past her?

Part of me feels Liara is trying to play hard to get. But she's also concerned about the two of them because both of them know the reapers are coming. Both know Shepard will be on the front lines and may not survive against such overwhelming odds. With all the pain Shepard's death has caused Liara, she's reluctant to get back into a relationship because she doesn't want to be hurt like that any more. 

And just look at Liara when you call it off with her, that's a very sad Liara right there. She fully expects Shepard to want to get involved with her again at that point, even though she draws the impression that she doesn't. 

Edit: Sort of ninja'ed by Lizard:pinched:

If you renegade that break up too, I think that is when Shepard wouldn't even look at Liara.  Bad Shep bad.  

Bad Shep indeed. Although looking at it through Shepards eyes, this wouldn't be too strange. Shepard fell in love with this amazing smart, beautiful and most importantly, unique Asari 2 years ago. Everything was going well and the two adjusted rather quickly to eachother. The rest is known, Shepard dies and is restored 2 years later. He then sees the Asari of his dreams again and finds that she has changed a great deal. Lotsb events pass and Shepard may see Liara's taking over the SB base as an act of lust for it's power. Also, Shepard can be indifferent to Liara's difficulty in handling Shepard's death because Shepard, through his training and experience would get over this much more quickly and therefore can forget how hard something like this is for a 'regular' person.

Not that I say I would ever break up with Liara in Lotsb, and definitly not using the renegade break up. Just saying, I think even Shepard's renegade response can easily be justified.

[WoolyJoe]

I quite like this thread - everything's so...calm and calculated
Pretty much everywhere else you look somebody's, well, angry at something. But not here. How soothing...

Edit: Quite apt for a Liara thread, actually, now that I think about it

Modifié par WoolyJoe, 27 juillet 2011 - 09:08 .