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[ladyvader]

King Minos wrote...

Selfishness as in shep joined with liara against the shadow broker, a very powerful criminal organisation and also in the process, fighing a yahg, put sheps life and countless civilians at risk and killing a spectre who I believe did the right choise in getting info from the broker to save the council. In return, shep got a little 15 - 30 min chat, barely a reunion and a catch up from the two tees they lost together. That's alot to put someone in especially if they just came back from the dead.

I'm going to say what Lizardviking said, did you play the same LotSB?

Shepard brought Liara the intel she needed.  Cerberus gave it to Shepard.  Which is odd to me considering that TIM told Shepard that his contacts said that she was WORKING for the SB.  Which was a lie and TIM knew it when he said it.  It was Liara that gave Cerberus Shepard's body.  He knew too.

I still don't see any action by Liara being selfish.  If anything she is being selfless.  Shepard and Liara both know the reapers are coming.  Liara wants to find information to help Shepard to defeat the reapers.  When asked how she is doing by Shepard, she states is a bit overwhelmed.   She has a lot of data to go through.  Which is what she does best.  Research. 

And the cabin scene for all we know lasted more than 15-30 minutes.  They did meld and I doubt it was a quickie.

EDIT:When talking about staying together Liara's eyes started to tear up. 

Modifié par ladyvader, 27 juillet 2011 - 09:10 .

[kumquats]

That's why my Renegade always makes Liara jealous.
"You deserve to be happy."
If that's not a sentence of selfless person, then I don't know.

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

Robhuzz wrote...

King Minos wrote...

She still is distant to Shepard on the shadow broker ship, after what they been through she still does not show emotion or interest in Shepard, more selfishness and feron. Shepard died. Surely lira could of shown alot more interest to that instead she was more focused on the shadowbroker information and ferons well-being, well i guess he was tortured for two years but shep died, you would definitely show signs of mental health problems, that isn't easy to deal with, two years of your life gone and you died, not a everyday norm. Liara does web express intererst afte she invites her, more of a reluctant yes. And if shep did end it, she didn't try to stop shep? She spent two years getting shep back only to allow it to just float past her?

Part of me feels Liara is trying to play hard to get. But she's also concerned about the two of them because both of them know the reapers are coming. Both know Shepard will be on the front lines and may not survive against such overwhelming odds. With all the pain Shepard's death has caused Liara, she's reluctant to get back into a relationship because she doesn't want to be hurt like that any more. 

And just look at Liara when you call it off with her, that's a very sad Liara right there. She fully expects Shepard to want to get involved with her again at that point, even though she draws the impression that she doesn't. 

Edit: Sort of ninja'ed by Lizard:pinched:

I never did the "call off" ending for LotSB, but the ending apparently shows her looking very sad. I highly doubt Liara wants anything to end with Shepard, but collecting Shepard's armor, dog tags, doing everything she could to get Shepard's body back, all shows she has extremely strong feelings, if not an obsession, with Shepard. Considering Shepard's death two years ago obviously crushed her, she's worried the same will happen again, since Shepard's going against even worse odds this time.

[ladyvader]

kumquats wrote...

That's why my Renegade always makes Liara jealous.
"You deserve to be happy."
If that's not a sentence of selfless person, then I don't know.

"Jealous, Commander, you might want to do something about that." 

[Ophiskc]

TheMarshal wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

I assume you'd need TexMod and her LotSB skin, but I haven't found one for ME2 yet. I've been playing through ME1 with her LotSB skin and aside from the fact that the bump-mapping is missing (so it looks smoother than it should), it looks great!

That sounds nice If you have any webpage saved where they explain how to do it i'll be very thankful if you could post it. I've never done those kind of changes, except some little things with gibbed editor, so i dont have any experience whatsoever

TexMod

Liara's LotSB Face -> ME1   (courtesy of Sunnie22)

You'll have to dig around for a texmod file which will put her LotSB face on her ME2 model.  I haven't gotten that far yet.

Thank you! <3

[Robhuzz]

I never did the "call off" ending for LotSB, but the ending apparently shows her looking very sad. I highly doubt Liara wants anything to end with Shepard, but collecting Shepard's armor, dog tags, doing everything she could to get Shepard's body back, all shows she has extremely strong feelings, if not an obsession, with Shepard. Considering Shepard's death two years ago obviously crushed her, she's worried the same will happen again, since Shepard's going against even worse odds this time.

That's my guess as well. Liara had a really tough time handling Shepard's death. Even 2 years later, when the two are reunited in the cabin scene, Liara thinks back and starts crying *darn you BW for not adding a proper paragon interrupt hug!*, indicating that even though all seems to be well now, it still hurts her. Shepard isn't like this. He's witnessed so many things he appears almost cold and emotionless when someone is killed. It's only natural that he can't fully understand what Liara went through and so he acts normally with a "There's nothing we can do now. We should just move on." attitude.

And the cabin scene for all we know lasted more than 15-30 minutes.  They did meld and I doubt it was a quickie.

Only once? They did not see eachother for 2 years. Surely they can do better than 15 - 30 minutes?

Modifié par Robhuzz, 27 juillet 2011 - 09:19 .

[TheMarshal]

King Minos wrote...

Selfishness as in shep joined with liara against the shadow broker, a very powerful criminal organisation and also in the process, fighing a yahg, put sheps life and countless civilians at risk and killing a spectre who I believe did the right choise in getting info from the broker to save the council. In return, shep got a little 15 - 30 min chat, barely a reunion and a catch up from the two tees they lost together. That's alot to put someone in especially if they just came back from the dead.

You realize that Shepard had to practically beg Liara for her to accept Shepard's help?  And even after begging, it wasn't until Shepard came by with information that could lead directly to the Shadow Broker that she allowed it.

[King Minos]

I hate hard to get, cant tell if I'm being let on or not, possible chance I missed that. Yeah I called it of as soon as I actually paid close attention, maybe I'm not sensitive enough to pick up this. I dumped he on 3 of my sheps and one is with thane just incase feron and liara did have something on, I actually just wanted to have every possible choice done for differed experiences on me3, but liara did not look said, atleast not to me. She turns around yeah but no attempt to change sheps mind? Yo don't just end a 2 year obsession faster than blinking, all that hell she went through just for it to throw back in her face? Something is up, she shows guilt for something, not sadness.

[Robhuzz]

*Warning. Sad Liara below*

She doesn't look particularly happy if you turn her down in Lotsb.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 27 juillet 2011 - 09:28 .

[ladyvader]

Robhuzz wrote...

I never did the "call off" ending for LotSB, but the ending apparently shows her looking very sad. I highly doubt Liara wants anything to end with Shepard, but collecting Shepard's armor, dog tags, doing everything she could to get Shepard's body back, all shows she has extremely strong feelings, if not an obsession, with Shepard. Considering Shepard's death two years ago obviously crushed her, she's worried the same will happen again, since Shepard's going against even worse odds this time.

That's my guess as well. Liara had a really tough time handling Shepard's death. Even 2 years later, when the two are reunited in the cabin scene, Liara thinks back and starts crying *darn you BW for not adding a proper paragon interrupt hug!*, indicating that even though all seems to be well now, it still hurts her. Shepard isn't like this. He's witnessed so many things he appears almost cold and emotionless when someone is killed. It's only natural that he can't fully understand what Liara went through and so he acts normally with a "There's nothing we can do now. We should just move on." attitude.

And the cabin scene for all we know lasted more than 15-30 minutes.  They did meld and I doubt it was a quickie.

Only once? They did not see eachother for 2 years. Surely they can do better than 15 - 30 minutes?

That last comment to me or King Minos?   I'm willing to say they were together for several hours.  They may have talked for those 15-30 mins, but they did meld and like I said.  I doubt that meld was a quickie.  

EDIT:  No sad Liara.  That makes me sad.  

Modifié par ladyvader, 27 juillet 2011 - 09:31 .

[Robhuzz]

ladyvader wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

I never did the "call off" ending for LotSB, but the ending apparently shows her looking very sad. I highly doubt Liara wants anything to end with Shepard, but collecting Shepard's armor, dog tags, doing everything she could to get Shepard's body back, all shows she has extremely strong feelings, if not an obsession, with Shepard. Considering Shepard's death two years ago obviously crushed her, she's worried the same will happen again, since Shepard's going against even worse odds this time.

That's my guess as well. Liara had a really tough time handling Shepard's death. Even 2 years later, when the two are reunited in the cabin scene, Liara thinks back and starts crying *darn you BW for not adding a proper paragon interrupt hug!*, indicating that even though all seems to be well now, it still hurts her. Shepard isn't like this. He's witnessed so many things he appears almost cold and emotionless when someone is killed. It's only natural that he can't fully understand what Liara went through and so he acts normally with a "There's nothing we can do now. We should just move on." attitude.

And the cabin scene for all we know lasted more than 15-30 minutes.  They did meld and I doubt it was a quickie.

Only once? They did not see eachother for 2 years. Surely they can do better than 15 - 30 minutes?

That last comment to me or King Minos?   I'm willing to say they were together for several hours.  They may have talked for those 15-30 mins, but they did meld and like I said.  I doubt that meld was a quickie.  

EDIT:  No sad Liara.  That makes me sad.  

That last comment was for you yes.

And yes I should refrain from posting sad Liara pics. It's hard to look at that picture without getting sad yourself. But on the positive side, this picture just shows how incredibly well done the facial animations are in Lotsb.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

After reading Redemption I got the impression that Liara didn't really like Feron. He came across as a pretty duplicitous character and only redeemed himself in the end by sacrificing himself for Shep's body and that's why Liara felt she owed him. Yes two years is a long time (though maybe not to an asari) but since Feron spent most of that time being tortured by the Shadow Broker if Liara sought comfort from anyone I doubt it was Feron.

[ladyvader]

Robhuzz wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

I never did the "call off" ending for LotSB, but the ending apparently shows her looking very sad. I highly doubt Liara wants anything to end with Shepard, but collecting Shepard's armor, dog tags, doing everything she could to get Shepard's body back, all shows she has extremely strong feelings, if not an obsession, with Shepard. Considering Shepard's death two years ago obviously crushed her, she's worried the same will happen again, since Shepard's going against even worse odds this time.

That's my guess as well. Liara had a really tough time handling Shepard's death. Even 2 years later, when the two are reunited in the cabin scene, Liara thinks back and starts crying *darn you BW for not adding a proper paragon interrupt hug!*, indicating that even though all seems to be well now, it still hurts her. Shepard isn't like this. He's witnessed so many things he appears almost cold and emotionless when someone is killed. It's only natural that he can't fully understand what Liara went through and so he acts normally with a "There's nothing we can do now. We should just move on." attitude.

And the cabin scene for all we know lasted more than 15-30 minutes.  They did meld and I doubt it was a quickie.

Only once? They did not see eachother for 2 years. Surely they can do better than 15 - 30 minutes?

That last comment to me or King Minos?   I'm willing to say they were together for several hours.  They may have talked for those 15-30 mins, but they did meld and like I said.  I doubt that meld was a quickie.  

EDIT:  No sad Liara.  That makes me sad.  

That last comment was for you yes.

And yes I should refrain from posting sad Liara pics. It's hard to look at that picture without getting sad yourself. But on the positive side, this picture just shows how incredibly well done the facial animations are in Lotsb.

Yes, they did an outstanding job, but I don't want any sad Liara in ME3.  No No No No!

Thanks for clairifying.

I want to punch Shepard for making Liara that sad anyway.   Tool Shepard couldn't even look at her when she walked away sad.  Any Shep that makes Liara sad is a tool in my book.  Espeically if they were a couple. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

King Minos wrote...

I hate hard to get, cant tell if I'm being let on or not, possible chance I missed that. Yeah I called it of as soon as I actually paid close attention, maybe I'm not sensitive enough to pick up this. I dumped he on 3 of my sheps and one is with thane just incase feron and liara did have something on, I actually just wanted to have every possible choice done for differed experiences on me3, but liara did not look said, atleast not to me. She turns around yeah but no attempt to change sheps mind? Yo don't just end a 2 year obsession faster than blinking, all that hell she went through just for it to throw back in her face? Something is up, she shows guilt for something, not sadness.

No offence but I think you should replay LOTSB.

For me it was clear that she still loves Shepard and wish to be with him. But she has been hurt and is afraid of being hurt again. So she does not pursue anything if Shepard does not want to continue what they had. She need Shepard to be 100% commited (so to speak).

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

After reading Redemption I got the impression that Liara didn't really like Feron. He came across as a pretty duplicitous character and only redeemed himself in the end by sacrificing himself for Shep's body and that's why Liara felt she owed him. Yes two years is a long time (though maybe not to an asari) but since Feron spent most of that time being tortured by the Shadow Broker if Liara sought comfort from anyone I doubt it was Feron.

I think the only reason Liara at all cared about Feron was because he helped her retrieve Shepard. He betrayed her several times and didn't seem like a very good person in the first place, I doubt they were even "friends" like she says.

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

King Minos wrote...

I hate hard to get, cant tell if I'm being let on or not, possible chance I missed that. Yeah I called it of as soon as I actually paid close attention, maybe I'm not sensitive enough to pick up this. I dumped he on 3 of my sheps and one is with thane just incase feron and liara did have something on, I actually just wanted to have every possible choice done for differed experiences on me3, but liara did not look said, atleast not to me. She turns around yeah but no attempt to change sheps mind? Yo don't just end a 2 year obsession faster than blinking, all that hell she went through just for it to throw back in her face? Something is up, she shows guilt for something, not sadness.

No offence but I think you should replay LOTSB.

For me it was clear that she still loves Shepard and wish to be with him. But she has been hurt and is afraid of being hurt again. So she does not pursue anything if Shepard does not want to continue what they had. She need Shepard to be 100% commited (so to speak).

I'm not sure if hurt is the right word.  Devasasted by Shepard's death is more like it.   She was still mourning Shepard after two years.  She doesn't want to go through that again, so soon after Shepard returns.  Which is why Liara asks Shepard to promise they would always come back. 

I also think if Shepard was with someone else in ME2, she doesn't want another ME1 type confrontation either.  

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ladyvader wrote..
I'm not sure if hurt is the right word.  Devasasted by Shepard's death is more like it.   She was still mourning Shepard after two years.  She doesn't want to go through that again, so soon after Shepard returns.  Which is why Liara asks Shepard to promise they would always come back. 

I also think if Shepard was with someone else in ME2, she doesn't want another ME1 type confrontation either.  

Hurt? Devastated? Sounds pretty similiar to me! 

Anyway my original point was. I fail to see how Liara was acting selfish and gave my reason for why she does not pursue if Shepard does not wants to continue the relationship.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 27 juillet 2011 - 10:40 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

*Warning. Sad Liara below*

She doesn't look particularly happy if you turn her down in Lotsb.

what kind of monster would do that

I did in one of my playthroughs!

[Kadzin]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

After reading Redemption I got the impression that Liara didn't really like Feron. He came across as a pretty duplicitous character and only redeemed himself in the end by sacrificing himself for Shep's body and that's why Liara felt she owed him. Yes two years is a long time (though maybe not to an asari) but since Feron spent most of that time being tortured by the Shadow Broker if Liara sought comfort from anyone I doubt it was Feron.

I think the only reason Liara at all cared about Feron was because he helped her retrieve Shepard. He betrayed her several times and didn't seem like a very good person in the first place, I doubt they were even "friends" like she says.

Liara doesn't have too many friends, so I think a selfless act tha Feron did kind of put him in the "friend" zone and she cares about her friends. I'm a bit surprised that she doesn't comment on either Tali or Garrus when they stop by her office with Shepard, you'd think that the original Normandy team was pretty close.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mash Mashington wrote...

allow me to shake fist on you

Oh well. I seem to be one of the few who can resist Liara's plea to spare the Rachni queen. So maybe I am some sort of monster?

[mbr.to]

Luna Siwora wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
*snip*

its too sad.. but i must watch it.

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote..
I'm not sure if hurt is the right word.  Devasasted by Shepard's death is more like it.   She was still mourning Shepard after two years.  She doesn't want to go through that again, so soon after Shepard returns.  Which is why Liara asks Shepard to promise they would always come back. 

I also think if Shepard was with someone else in ME2, she doesn't want another ME1 type confrontation either.  

Hurt? Devastated? Sounds pretty similiar to me! 

Anyway my original point was. I fail to see how Liara was acting selfish and gave my reason for why she does not pursue if Shepard does not wants to continue the relationship.

You would get over being hurt long before two years have gone by.  Devastation is a stronger emotion and for some never get over.

I agree with you actually on her not being selfish.  I think she was being quite selfless.  She gave up a part of herself to save Shepard.

Half of my answer was to you, the other half was to King Minos.

I didn't mean to be confusing.