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[jlb524]

 

MaroAlighieri wrote...

DNA scan with my omnitool. Duh.

I'm now trying to think how feasible that is...should stop! 

adneate wrote...
I would say if anything debunks it it's the cold truth that BioWare simply isn't capable of writing something like that anymore. They can barely write a coherent plot anymore, indoc theory is a coping mechanism in the Denial phase of grief. People use it to deny the fact that BioWare is that out of touch with the fans and that they blew the canon of the entire franchise against the wall in 15 minutes of rambling nonsensical quasi-philosophical garbage. The final stage is simply accepting that they wrote these god awful endings and they are supposed to be taken at face value, even though they don't make any sense at all.

But that's just my opinion, I played Dragon Age 2. I could be jaded.

I don't personally believe the Indoctrination Theory myself.  Shepard waking up on the Citadel doesn't debunk it.

Apparently, they won't change the ending (not surprised) but are only adding on 'closure' elements (whatever that is).

[PMC65]

@FdL_Ananas - Here is a bottle of brass cleaning, statue polishing liquid! salut! P.S. A mad Liara is a sexy Liara.

@Doozer12 - I'm going to try this weekend. I promise.

@jlb524 - That's cool. I can't believe that I actually finished it to be honest.

As to the argument over the ending ... really? Even Bioware doesn't have an answer. So it must be up to each of us to create it ... I go with the indoctrination theory. What other theories besides indoctrination or just plain crap writing are there by the way? Does anyone know?

And remember ... KarmenS has asked that we slow down so SHE can catch up ...

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

 

MaroAlighieri wrote...

DNA scan with my omnitool. Duh.

I'm now trying to think how feasible that is...should stop! 

adneate wrote...
I would say if anything debunks it it's the cold truth that BioWare simply isn't capable of writing something like that anymore. They can barely write a coherent plot anymore, indoc theory is a coping mechanism in the Denial phase of grief. People use it to deny the fact that BioWare is that out of touch with the fans and that they blew the canon of the entire franchise against the wall in 15 minutes of rambling nonsensical quasi-philosophical garbage. The final stage is simply accepting that they wrote these god awful endings and they are supposed to be taken at face value, even though they don't make any sense at all.

But that's just my opinion, I played Dragon Age 2. I could be jaded.

I don't personally believe the Indoctrination Theory myself.  Shepard waking up on the Citadel doesn't debunk it.

Apparently, they won't change the ending (not surprised) but are only adding on 'closure' elements (whatever that is).

If I had to guess, we'll be seeing DLC where we'll go to Planet X before the final fight, and learn all about it. Then Shepard will tell Joker that, after he hits the switch, Joker should send as many people here, in case something goes bad. As well as DLC that backs up the kids bull**** on Robots vs Organics.

[Ferbian]

Eclipse merc wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

MaroAlighieri wrote...

If I found out Shep and Liara had their way with each other all over my stuff...I'd auction it off.

"And here we have an antique coffee table that clearly has an assprint on it! We'll start the bidding at 12000 creds."

I'm not sure how you'd prove the authenticity of the assprint.

It could be anyone's.  

Hmmm, we'd have to take a pretty close look....

I would also need to grab a feel, just to make sure my hands cover as much of Liara's ass as they would the ass print.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...
If I had to guess, we'll be seeing DLC where we'll go to Planet X before the final fight, and learn all about it. 

I'm not sure how that will make it any better.

"Oh look!  Planet X has really large carnivorous dinosaur looking things!"

Liara pic



I love when she uses an omni-tool.

Modifié par jlb524, 23 mars 2012 - 08:27 .

[Erenbe]

jlb524 wrote...


I don't personally believe the Indoctrination Theory myself.  Shepard waking up on the Citadel doesn't debunk it.

Apparently, they won't change the ending (not surprised) but are only adding on 'closure' elements (whatever that is).

Meh....3 power point slides telling us what happens with the chars
 - joker and edi became proud parents of a toaster oven
 - tali ate garrus cause that's the only thing she could eat
 - liara went on pining for shepard but after a few years decided to write a book that no one reads
 - the rest of the crew started mating with the local plant life to avoid inbreeding
 - stranded fleets around earth started their journey home (bye bye...see you again in...well...never)
 - earth got rebuild

[DOsquareZER]

adneate wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
The vid doesn't really debunk Indoctrination theory since Shepard could have been on the Citadel and got indoctrinated there.

I would say if anything debunks it it's the cold truth that BioWare simply isn't capable of writing something like that anymore. They can barely write a coherent plot anymore, indoc theory is a coping mechanism in the Denial phase of grief. People use it to deny the fact that BioWare is that out of touch with the fans and that they blew the canon of the entire franchise against the wall in 15 minutes of rambling nonsensical quasi-philosophical garbage. The final stage is simply accepting that they wrote these god awful endings and they are supposed to be taken at face value, even though they don't make any sense at all.

But that's just my opinion, I played Dragon Age 2. I could be jaded.

yea...yea Im in between denial and acceptance.  Angry bittter (sometimes tearful) acceptance...

Modifié par doozer12, 23 mars 2012 - 08:32 .

[Barquiel]

jlb524 wrote...

Apparently, they won't change the ending (not surprised) but are only adding on 'closure' elements (whatever that is).

I'm not sure if that is good thing. Their closure elements will probably destroy my headcannon "happy ending"

[Arlionis]

jlb524 wrote...

 

MaroAlighieri wrote...

DNA scan with my omnitool. Duh.

I'm now trying to think how feasible that is...should stop! 

adneate wrote...
I would say if anything debunks it it's the cold truth that BioWare simply isn't capable of writing something like that anymore. They can barely write a coherent plot anymore, indoc theory is a coping mechanism in the Denial phase of grief. People use it to deny the fact that BioWare is that out of touch with the fans and that they blew the canon of the entire franchise against the wall in 15 minutes of rambling nonsensical quasi-philosophical garbage. The final stage is simply accepting that they wrote these god awful endings and they are supposed to be taken at face value, even though they don't make any sense at all.

But that's just my opinion, I played Dragon Age 2. I could be jaded.

I don't personally believe the Indoctrination Theory myself.  Shepard waking up on the Citadel doesn't debunk it.

Apparently, they won't change the ending (not surprised) but are only adding on 'closure' elements (whatever that is).

It will probably be an epilogue DLC. 

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
If I had to guess, we'll be seeing DLC where we'll go to Planet X before the final fight, and learn all about it. 

I'm not sure how that will make it any better.

"Oh look!  Planet X has really large carnivorous dinosaur looking things!"

Well, people think Joker was flying away for no reason, and we don't know where they're stranded forever.

Personally, I think Joker picked everyone up, and was heading for the Citadel to help Shepard, until he saw this:



And turn around, and tried to outrun it.

But no, everyone wants to think everyone beamed on board, because they're cowards. And Joker abandoned the fight for no reason, because he's a coward.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
The vid doesn't really debunk Indoctrination theory since Shepard could have been on the Citadel and got indoctrinated there.

If the indoctrination theory is true. Then why does the catalyst only provide the destruction option for Shepard in the bad ending?

It depends on if you kept or destroyed the Collector base. Because if you kept the base, it'll only offer control. If I had to guess, I'd say because Shepard is so determined to either control or destroying the Reapers, it won't even bother trying to give you other options. It knows, based on how much you have sacrificed to get to where you are now, that it can't convince you. So it doesn't even try.

That does not make any sense. If Shepard preforms poorly, Harbinger won't bother trying to indoctrinate a Shepard who destroyed the base? Why? Why does it only try if Shepard preforms well?

[Robhuzz]

doozer12 wrote...

adneate wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
The vid doesn't really debunk Indoctrination theory since Shepard could have been on the Citadel and got indoctrinated there.

I would say if anything debunks it it's the cold truth that BioWare simply isn't capable of writing something like that anymore. They can barely write a coherent plot anymore, indoc theory is a coping mechanism in the Denial phase of grief. People use it to deny the fact that BioWare is that out of touch with the fans and that they blew the canon of the entire franchise against the wall in 15 minutes of rambling nonsensical quasi-philosophical garbage. The final stage is simply accepting that they wrote these god awful endings and they are supposed to be taken at face value, even though they don't make any sense at all.

But that's just my opinion, I played Dragon Age 2. I could be jaded.

yea...yea Im in between denial and acceptance.  Angry bittter acceptance...

I'm holding on to denial and the indoctrination theory until I heard what they have to say at PAX. If they crush my remaining hope there, that will be as good a time as any to say: F this sh*t. My headcanon ending stays!

[Ferbian]

Arlionis wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

 

MaroAlighieri wrote...

DNA scan with my omnitool. Duh.

I'm now trying to think how feasible that is...should stop! 

adneate wrote...
I would say if anything debunks it it's the cold truth that BioWare simply isn't capable of writing something like that anymore. They can barely write a coherent plot anymore, indoc theory is a coping mechanism in the Denial phase of grief. People use it to deny the fact that BioWare is that out of touch with the fans and that they blew the canon of the entire franchise against the wall in 15 minutes of rambling nonsensical quasi-philosophical garbage. The final stage is simply accepting that they wrote these god awful endings and they are supposed to be taken at face value, even though they don't make any sense at all.

But that's just my opinion, I played Dragon Age 2. I could be jaded.

I don't personally believe the Indoctrination Theory myself.  Shepard waking up on the Citadel doesn't debunk it.

Apparently, they won't change the ending (not surprised) but are only adding on 'closure' elements (whatever that is).

It will probably be an epilogue DLC. 

If they give us an epilogue DLC, not only will it cause an even bigger outroar I'm sure, especially since a lot of people aren't necessarily looking for closure, but an ending that makes sense. I also don't see why they would tell us to keep our saves just for an epilogue. I'd say being told to keep our saves, would clearly indicate that we'll have more play time in the future.

[Sunnie]

Lizardviking wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
The vid doesn't really debunk Indoctrination theory since Shepard could have been on the Citadel and got indoctrinated there.

If the indoctrination theory is true. Then why does the catalyst only provide the destruction option for Shepard in the bad ending?

How do you determine a good from bad ending? I've seen all the source video for all the good/bad endings, theres not a lot of difference between them. They were all bad endings, but I feel the least bad was the destroy the Reapers end. In any of the chices though, if you didn;t have enough asset points, the earth get toasted, which is the only real difference.

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
The vid doesn't really debunk Indoctrination theory since Shepard could have been on the Citadel and got indoctrinated there.

If the indoctrination theory is true. Then why does the catalyst only provide the destruction option for Shepard in the bad ending?

It depends on if you kept or destroyed the Collector base. Because if you kept the base, it'll only offer control. If I had to guess, I'd say because Shepard is so determined to either control or destroying the Reapers, it won't even bother trying to give you other options. It knows, based on how much you have sacrificed to get to where you are now, that it can't convince you. So it doesn't even try.

That does not make any sense. If Shepard preforms poorly, Harbinger won't bother trying to indoctrinate a Shepard who destroyed the base? Why? Why does it only try if Shepard preforms well?

Because a Shepard that's trying to save everyone will want options to save everyone. While Shepard that destroys only wants to destroy. And Shepard that's wants to control wants to control.

[Deventh]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
The vid doesn't really debunk Indoctrination theory since Shepard could have been on the Citadel and got indoctrinated there.

If the indoctrination theory is true. Then why does the catalyst only provide the destruction option for Shepard in the bad ending?

How do you determine a good from bad ending? I've seen all the source video for all the good/bad endings, theres not a lot of difference between them. They were all bad endings, but I feel the least bad was the destroy the Reapers end. In any of the chices though, if you didn;t have enough asset points, the earth get toasted, which is the only real difference.

How does that make any sense? Even if you have low asset points you do destroy the reapers so wth?

[jlb524]

Nice sig, Deventh!

doozer12 wrote...

yea...yea Im in between denial and acceptance.  Angry bittter (sometimes tearful) acceptance...

Even my poor little grinch heart is breaking.

Modifié par jlb524, 23 mars 2012 - 08:39 .

[TMA LIVE]

Though I think the war assets really affect what options you have, because it also goes to the work on the Crucible. If you read the notes, most of the War Assets also go to building the thing, then the actual war. From people to material. So the more you got, the more options are build into it.

And if the people working on it didn't do a good job, then Earth is toast. And there's no Merge option.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 23 mars 2012 - 08:40 .

[Sunnie]

TMA LIVE wrote...

But no, everyone wants to think everyone beamed on board, because they're cowards. And Joker abandoned the fight for no reason, because he's a coward.

I don't think thats the case at all. People are not upset because they think Joker turned coward, they are upset because in a matter of a couple minutes, the Normandy and its crew (including the squad that was ON THE GROUND FIGHTING, along side Shepard no less,) are suddenly 2 or3 hours and multiple relays away from Sol, a-la space magac.

[Dude on Fire]

Robhuzz wrote...

Dude on Fire wrote...

If my MaleShep (Blake Shepard) would ever see Liara again, he'd just emrase her and start crying. Really, just bawl. Cause that's what I'd do. Having her is just an unrealisticly amazing privilage that Shepard must realize that he/she has. The words "I love you" aren't enough.

1 year after ME3, space magic worked in myserious ways to bring Liara and Shepard back together.

Shepard: Liara?
Liara: Shepard?! Goddess I thought I'd never see you again...
Shepard: No more talk. We're embracing eternity RIGHT NOW!

Something like this? I'd approve:whistle:

Well, that's the thing. For my Shep that moment would be too much for him. After all the times he had put comfort to Liara, and all the others throughout the series, this would be the moment when he realized it's finally over. Nothing can keep them away from each other anymore. It would be a REALLY passionate hug scene, with both of them crying in joy, before a kiss.
After that I'd like to see a party or something aboard the Normandy, with all the characters you'd met and grown to love. It would be Shepard, Liara, Garrus, Miranda, Tali, Ashley, Joker and Wrex, sitting by a table, while people like Vega and Jack would be having fun in the background. Followed by some really well made dialogues with everyone. Makes me happy just thinking about it.
Oh, and of course another love scene.

Modifié par Dude on Fire, 23 mars 2012 - 08:42 .

[Sunnie]

Deventh wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
The vid doesn't really debunk Indoctrination theory since Shepard could have been on the Citadel and got indoctrinated there.

If the indoctrination theory is true. Then why does the catalyst only provide the destruction option for Shepard in the bad ending?

How do you determine a good from bad ending? I've seen all the source video for all the good/bad endings, theres not a lot of difference between them. They were all bad endings, but I feel the least bad was the destroy the Reapers end. In any of the chices though, if you didn;t have enough asset points, the earth get toasted, which is the only real difference.

How does that make any sense? Even if you have low asset points you do destroy the reapers so wth?

Yep, if you don't have enough war asset points, the choice does what it does plus the earth is toasted, high enough asset points and the earth isn't toasted, more or less.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
The vid doesn't really debunk Indoctrination theory since Shepard could have been on the Citadel and got indoctrinated there.

If the indoctrination theory is true. Then why does the catalyst only provide the destruction option for Shepard in the bad ending?

How do you determine a good from bad ending? I've seen all the source video for all the good/bad endings, theres not a lot of difference between them. They were all bad endings, but I feel the least bad was the destroy the Reapers end. In any of the chices though, if you didn;t have enough asset points, the earth get toasted, which is the only real difference.

The worst ending is the version of destroy where the energy wave kills both organics and the Reapers. There is also the part wher Harbinger kills Shepard's squadmates as well if you have a low amount of war assest (not sure if there are more throughout the London battle).

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
The vid doesn't really debunk Indoctrination theory since Shepard could have been on the Citadel and got indoctrinated there.

If the indoctrination theory is true. Then why does the catalyst only provide the destruction option for Shepard in the bad ending?

It depends on if you kept or destroyed the Collector base. Because if you kept the base, it'll only offer control. If I had to guess, I'd say because Shepard is so determined to either control or destroying the Reapers, it won't even bother trying to give you other options. It knows, based on how much you have sacrificed to get to where you are now, that it can't convince you. So it doesn't even try.

That does not make any sense. If Shepard preforms poorly, Harbinger won't bother trying to indoctrinate a Shepard who destroyed the base? Why? Why does it only try if Shepard preforms well?

Because a Shepard that's trying to save everyone will want options to save everyone. While Shepard that destroys only wants to destroy. And Shepard that's wants to control wants to control.

That does not make sense. A Shepard that has a low amount of war assest still wants to save everyone, he just does a bad job doing it.

[adneate]

jlb524 wrote...
Apparently, they won't change the ending (not surprised) but are only adding on 'closure' elements (whatever that is).

I don't think even they know, they are clearly in a state of total shock that these endings were rejected. At this point nobody can predict what they'll do anymore then they can stick their tongue out the window and predict the barometric pressure 3 weeks from now. The most they've concretely said is they're going to do something, probably.