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[Yuqi]

jlb524 wrote...

*skims missed 4 pages*  Damn...I shouldn't sleep anymore XD

Yuqi wrote...

That's lovely...who's the artist?

Barballarger

[moreeman06]

ladyvader wrote...

moreeman06 wrote...

Hey can someone please tell me how to take screenshots

If you are on a console, you need a video capture device like a dazzle.  That is what I use for my screenshots and recordings.

If you are on PC, download FRAPS, and it captures screenshots at 1 sec per pic or at a slower speed.  That depends on you.

I want to say one last thing about the ending.  It gutted me, but I also think it fits with what was going on.  I do not buy this indocination theory at all.  Shepard wasn't indocinated when talking to the Prothean VI, because the VI would have known.  When Leng showed up on Thessia, the VI went into security mode because of Leng being indocinated. 

The VI also mentioned saving him from those indocinated when on the Cerberus base.  Unless it happened while on the Citadel when talking to TIM, and even then I doubt it.

Shepard also said several times I will defeat the Reapers or die trying.  And I really think by the end of the game and the last dream that Shepard had a feeling s/he wasn't going to make it.  Even Liara says her gift was a way to say farewll.  So at this point, Liara has a feeling she may never see Shepard again.  I think she is a peace with it. 

The only closure I want is where did the Normandy go and why was the ground crew on her?  I do not want a happy Hollywood type ending.  This game was too dark for that.

If your EMS is low enough, Earth gets destroyed.  I do mean low like below 1750.  I have a feeling my renagade femShep could get this ending.  The only people left are Mordin, Tali, Garrus, and Kasumi.  I think she will end up missing a lot of war assets because of it.  Allers won't be on her ship.  This Shepard also romanced Liara. 

Thank's i'm on PC so FRAPS it is,  as for the ending i want to buy into the indoctrination theory just because i want a happy ending for my paragon shep,  If i was playing a renegade shep than i could live with just some closure but Tiberius woke up at the end and i want to know what the hell that was about so I'm buying into indoc or atleast revival until i'm told otherwise by bioware

Edit:  @yuqi i still want my new ending but a DA2 expansion would have been cool i actually liked parts of DA2 it was fun and had potentioal like Alpha Protocol was, it just wan't up to the standards that i had come to expect at that point after ME and KOTOR and DAO.  Also to Bioware when are you making DA3.

Sorry for the complete lack of blue so thanks again hooded gypsy for the adorable baby blueberry:)

Modifié par moreeman06, 24 mars 2012 - 02:59 .

[ladyvader]

VarrenSoldier wrote...

@ladyvader
Shepard is likely in the process of being indoctrinated, where it is likely subtle, the VI probably lacks the ability to detect subtle indoctrination or people going through a indoctrination trial (Shep is likely very strong willed, so he/she will not fall as easily). The end was a trial, a dream. To determine whether you break free...
Or Harbinger assumes direct control of you.

I still don't buy it.  I also think Liara would have known from their melds.

EDIT:Ash also says on the Cerberus base if you take her and she is the LI which is the only time I will take her anywhere that she knew Shep was real.  The line isn't the same as Liara's but very close.

Believe what you want, I don't buy this indocination theory.  Nothing is going to change my mind unless BW actually says this.  That might be what causes me to stop playing.

Even Shaila says she is still indocinated, but because of the Thoran spores in her and the rest of Zhu's Hope she is able to ignore the voices in their heads.

Modifié par ladyvader, 24 mars 2012 - 02:55 .

[danteliveson]

Yuqi wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

I want to say one last thing about the ending.  It gutted me, but I also think it fits with what was going on.  I do not buy this indocination theory at all.  Shepard wasn't indocinated when talking to the Prothean VI, because the VI would have known.  When Leng showed up on Thessia, the VI went into security mode because of Leng being indocinated. 

The VI also mentioned saving him from those indocinated when on the Cerberus base.  Unless it happened while on the Citadel when talking to TIM, and even then I doubt it.

Shepard also said several times I will defeat the Reapers or die trying.  And I really think by the end of the game and the last dream that Shepard had a feeling s/he wasn't going to make it.  Even Liara says her gift was a way to say farewll.  So at this point, Liara has a feeling she may never see Shepard again.  I think she is a peace with it. 

The only closure I want is where did the Normandy go and why was the ground crew on her?  I do not want a happy Hollywood type ending.  This game was too dark for that.

I  would have prefered the DA2 expansion pack over any new-ending for ME3 

Damn I wanted that too.

[Aquarius]

Yuqi wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

*skims missed 4 pages*  Damn...I shouldn't sleep anymore XD

Yuqi wrote...

That's lovely...who's the artist?

Barballarger

Sorry, do not like the big muscles, total turn off. <_< 

[Deventh]

ladyvader wrote...

VarrenSoldier wrote...

@ladyvader
Shepard is likely in the process of being indoctrinated, where it is likely subtle, the VI probably lacks the ability to detect subtle indoctrination or people going through a indoctrination trial (Shep is likely very strong willed, so he/she will not fall as easily). The end was a trial, a dream. To determine whether you break free...
Or Harbinger assumes direct control of you.

I still don't buy it.  I also think Liara would have known from their melds.

I doubt she would've known. I also don't think Shepard was indoctrinated when they melded, so she can't really tell. If the indoctrination theory is not true then the ending doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

[Ferbian]

When playing Mass Effect 2, sometimes you've got to think that 2 has some pretty bull**** stuff too. I mean, human reaper? Why not create a simple normal reaper with reaper looks? Plus, the whole harvesting of the humans to create the reaper is kinda weird, why not involve other races too? After all the idea of the reapers is that they most likely harvest us to create new reapers, why stick to one specie and create a reaper in the image of it?

[Robhuzz]

VarrenSoldier wrote...

@ladyvader
Shepard is likely in the process of being indoctrinated, where it is likely subtle, the VI probably lacks the ability to detect subtle indoctrination or people going through a indoctrination trial (Shep is likely very strong willed, so he/she will not fall as easily). The end was a trial, a dream. To determine whether you break free...
Or Harbinger assumes direct control of you.
EDIT: Oh, and yeah, when you are heading to the teleporter beam, the rubble looks like the armor and distorted faces of the Virmire casualty.

I still hope this is the case. I'm not 100% convinced of the IT but so far it's the only way the ending makes any sense at all. If BioWare debunks it at PAX, that just means they can no longer write an acceptable plot. Or tell their fans the truth for that matter.

When playing Mass Effect 2, sometimes you've got to think that 2 has some pretty bull**** stuff too. I mean, human reaper? Why not create a simple normal reaper with reaper looks? Plus, the whole harvesting of the humans to create the reaper is kinda weird, why not involve other races too? After all the idea of the reapers is that they most likely harvest us to create new reapers, why stick to one specie and create a reaper in the image of it? 

This was actually explained in the ME3 codex. Reaper capital ships are made of a single race, the races that the Reapers feel are elevated above all others (Harby talks about human potential during his taunts in ME2 as well). The other races that show a bit of promise (Turians and Krogan for example) are turned into destroyers. The others that the Reapers feel are not worthy because of flaws (Asari because of their reproduction method and Quarians because of their immune systems) are turned into workers, troops and slaves instead.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 24 mars 2012 - 03:00 .

[ladyvader]

Ferbian wrote...

When playing Mass Effect 2, sometimes you've got to think that 2 has some pretty bull**** stuff too. I mean, human reaper? Why not create a simple normal reaper with reaper looks? Plus, the whole harvesting of the humans to create the reaper is kinda weird, why not involve other races too? After all the idea of the reapers is that they most likely harvest us to create new reapers, why stick to one specie and create a reaper in the image of it?

Why is there no reaperfied salarians?  We have humans, turians, asari, batarians, turian/krogan mix, but no salarians.  WHY?  

I thought EDI explained that well enough about the human reaper.  It was theory, but to me that made sense.  You will notice not all Reapers look the same.  And what we saw of the human reaper was in it's early stages.  Who knows what the final outcome of it would have looked like.

[Nharia1]

Ferbian wrote...

When playing Mass Effect 2, sometimes you've got to think that 2 has some pretty bull**** stuff too. I mean, human reaper? Why not create a simple normal reaper with reaper looks? Plus, the whole harvesting of the humans to create the reaper is kinda weird, why not involve other races too? After all the idea of the reapers is that they most likely harvest us to create new reapers, why stick to one specie and create a reaper in the image of it?

If I remember correctly Mordin explains it actually all the way back on Omega when you're doing his recruitment mission, by saying that humans are the most genetically diverse species in the galaxy at that point in time... but when you look at all the humans in the games they all look pretty much the same, so I'm not sure about genetic diversity... But yeah that's what Mordin says might be the reason why human colonies were targeted.

[joiner87]

Im not sure what to believe, all I know is that while my Shep was fighting as an avatar for all mankind she was also fighting like hell for "Marriage, old age and alot a little blue children". I wanted that choice, however impossible it was to get, I wanted it....keep the endings, just give me the choice to have this as well damm it!

[Kilshrek]

joiner87 wrote...

Im not sure what to believe, all I know is that while my Shep was fighting as an avatar for all mankind she was also fighting like hell for "Marriage, old age and alot a little blue children". I wanted that choice, however impossible it was to get, I wanted it....keep the endings, just give me the choice to have this as well damm it!

Erm.. Amen?

I really don't care about anything anymore. I'll put down $20 for a small scene of Liara coming back to pull Shep out of the rubble. All they need is a little scene like Neeh's, and that's it. Done. Happy. Goddamn. Ending.

And of course, a little bit of talking, like  "We've done it Shepard... it's all over now..."

[Nharia1]

joiner87 wrote...

Im not sure what to believe, all I know is that while my Shep was fighting as an avatar for all mankind she was also fighting like hell for "Marriage, old age and alot a little blue children". I wanted that choice, however impossible it was to get, I wanted it....keep the endings, just give me the choice to have this as well damm it!

That's what I'm hoping for as well, not some piece of junk that just explains what happened... But yeah I want to be able to see my Shep put up her guns for once in her life, settle down with the love of her life, and have some little blue kids! We'll have to wait for April to see what they're planning.

[ladyvader]

Deventh wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

VarrenSoldier wrote...

@ladyvader
Shepard is likely in the process of being indoctrinated, where it is likely subtle, the VI probably lacks the ability to detect subtle indoctrination or people going through a indoctrination trial (Shep is likely very strong willed, so he/she will not fall as easily). The end was a trial, a dream. To determine whether you break free...
Or Harbinger assumes direct control of you.

I still don't buy it.  I also think Liara would have known from their melds.

I doubt she would've known. I also don't think Shepard was indoctrinated when they melded, so she can't really tell. If the indoctrination theory is not true then the ending doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

They melded one last time before the final push.  Some think the indocination happened on the Cerberus base.  Then that means the indocination happened when Shepard and the rest of the people got blasted by the beam or it happened on the Citadel.  Which I highly doubt.  

If Shepard was already indocinated, then you couldn't control the reapers because the reapers would have already controlled Shepard.

The indocination theory has more holes in it than the actual ending to me.  I'm done discussing it.  Use it to rational the ending, but I still think the ending fits.  Even more so if Shepard dies.  



Later peeps.  Got a bunch of stuff to do today.

[Ferbian]

ladyvader wrote...

Ferbian wrote...

When playing Mass Effect 2, sometimes you've got to think that 2 has some pretty bull**** stuff too. I mean, human reaper? Why not create a simple normal reaper with reaper looks? Plus, the whole harvesting of the humans to create the reaper is kinda weird, why not involve other races too? After all the idea of the reapers is that they most likely harvest us to create new reapers, why stick to one specie and create a reaper in the image of it?

Why is there no reaperfied salarians?  We have humans, turians, asari, batarians, turian/krogan mix, but no salarians.  WHY?  

I thought EDI explained that well enough about the human reaper.  It was theory, but to me that made sense.  You will notice not all Reapers look the same.  And what we saw of the human reaper was in it's early stages.  Who knows what the final outcome of it would have looked like.

Yeah I get the whole idea of the reapers being created in the image of those they choose to build it from, but then explain why all of the thousands of reapers look exactly the same, yet the cycles have been going on for millions of years?  In theory that would've required for every single one of the reapers to be created from one single cycle, and knowing that the human reaper might've needed millions to build itself, there would've been need to feed off just about the same size as the entire prothean empire in that cycle for it to succeed. And knowing the amount of protheans that died fighting, I'd say the odds of so many being alive for said cycle to be harvested, is quite minimal.

Might just be me overthinking things, but an ending like Mass Effect 3 leaves you looking for stuff in the other games.

Oh and what exactly happened to the Mass Relay that was supposed to take the Normandy out of the Omega 4 area? I just watched The Normandy go into FTL speed as if it was traveling through a relay, but without any relay in sight. Maybe the Normandy can do it by default, and there's still hope for Liara and Shepard!

Modifié par Ferbian, 24 mars 2012 - 03:10 .

[Kilshrek]

Also, Javik would know if Shepard was indoctrinated. Prothean thing.

[jlb524]

joiner87 wrote...
Im not sure what to believe, all I know is that while my Shep was fighting as an avatar for all mankind she was also fighting like hell for "Marriage, old age and alot a little blue children". I wanted that choice, however impossible it was to get, I wanted it....keep the endings, just give me the choice to have this as well damm it!

My Shepard was fighting for the right to party...


...with Liara, ofc.

ladyvader wrote...

The indocination theory has more holes in it than the actual ending to me.  I'm done discussing it.  Use it to rational the ending, but I still think the ending fits.  Even more so if Shepard dies.  

 

I believe that theory is palatable for a lot of people b/c it explains why Shepard was acting like a moron with the StarChild (and took him and the situation he put her in at face value).

Modifié par jlb524, 24 mars 2012 - 03:15 .

[Robhuzz]

Kilshrek wrote...

Also, Javik would know if Shepard was indoctrinated. Prothean thing.

Shepard is not actually indoctrinated. At times the Reapers just manage to give him visions, with a (if we believe the IT) very powerful one at the end. Possibly because Harbinger is directly trying to indoctrinate Shepard. He's not indoctrinated until the Reapers can actually control him, even if they can put such convincing visions in his head. If he were truly indoctrinated, the Reapers could make him do things he doesn't want to, so far that has not happened.

Im not sure what to believe, all I know is that while my Shep was fighting as an avatar for all mankind she was also fighting like hell for "Marriage, old age and alot a little blue children". I wanted that choice, however impossible it was to get, I wanted it....keep the endings, just give me the choice to have this as well damm it! 

I 2nd that. Me wants 'happy' ending, no matter how hard it is to get, as long as it's there!

Modifié par Robhuzz, 24 mars 2012 - 03:16 .

[Nharia1]

jlb524 wrote...

My Shepard was fighting for the right to party...


...with Liara, ofc.

www.youtube.com/watch

*cough* Fight for your right- Beastie Boys
Have fun~!

[HetmanNG]

@ladyvader

5000+ EMS Shepard "lives" at the end. What about that? I don't understand writers to send Normandy on random planet. I think better way to satisfy players is "cut this escape" and if your Shep survived, your crew will find our hero/heroine. Problem is in that we have no choice to select "good" ending for us, at the end of the game we have story like in FPS games. - we go from point A to B with planned ending, nothing above that.

BTW all crew before last "run" say goodbye to Shep.



about 3 endings
Control - Shepard is the right person to control? He/She told to TIM - we can't control them...
Synthesis - Shepard has only implants, he/she isn't like geth.
Destroy - "In my opinion" this is only one choice, that normal human can do this.

[jlb524]

I've given up on a happy ending.



I don't think this 'closure DLC' will deliver it.

My standards are pretty low too...I don't want the ending to deal with blue kids and all that...just provide the hope that Shepard won't die alone in a rubble and can reunite with Liara someday.

[Arcataye]

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[ladyvader]

jlb524 wrote...

joiner87 wrote...
Im not sure what to believe, all I know is that while my Shep was fighting as an avatar for all mankind she was also fighting like hell for "Marriage, old age and alot a little blue children". I wanted that choice, however impossible it was to get, I wanted it....keep the endings, just give me the choice to have this as well damm it!

My Shepard was fighting for the right to party...


...with Liara, ofc.

ladyvader wrote...

The indocination theory has more holes in it than the actual ending to me.  I'm done discussing it.  Use it to rational the ending, but I still think the ending fits.  Even more so if Shepard dies.  

 

I believe that theory is palatable for a lot of people b/c it explains why Shepard was acting like a moron with the StarChild (and took him and the situation he put her in at face value).

One last thing, then I really do need to go.

Think about this theory for a moment.  Anderson and Shepard are sitting there talking.  Anderson dies from his wounds.  Shepard is bleeding out, couldn't even stand up and fell over when Hackett was over the radio saying it's not working.  Shepard is dead at this point.  Assends to heaven and the starchild(God) is giving Shepard a choice to end the war because God's plan for the past millions of years is worthless now and God needs a new plan.  The only way the indocination theory works if it happened on the Citadel at the end game.

[Deventh]

ladyvader wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

joiner87 wrote...
Im not sure what to believe, all I know is that while my Shep was fighting as an avatar for all mankind she was also fighting like hell for "Marriage, old age and alot a little blue children". I wanted that choice, however impossible it was to get, I wanted it....keep the endings, just give me the choice to have this as well damm it!

My Shepard was fighting for the right to party...


...with Liara, ofc.

ladyvader wrote...

The indocination theory has more holes in it than the actual ending to me.  I'm done discussing it.  Use it to rational the ending, but I still think the ending fits.  Even more so if Shepard dies.  

 

I believe that theory is palatable for a lot of people b/c it explains why Shepard was acting like a moron with the StarChild (and took him and the situation he put her in at face value).

One last thing, then I really do need to go.

Think about this theory for a moment.  Anderson and Shepard are sitting there talking.  Anderson dies from his wounds.  Shepard is bleeding out, couldn't even stand up and fell over when Hackett was over the radio saying it's not working.  Shepard is dead at this point.  Assends to heaven and the starchild(God) is giving Shepard a choice to end the war because God's plan for the past millions of years is worthless now and God needs a new plan.  The only way the indocination theory works if it happened on the Citadel at the end game.

Indoctrination doesn't happen in 1 day y'know. It's a slow process from all 3 games. When Shepard was that close to Harbinger it was obvious what would happen. Why would Harbinger leave right when Shepard gets up, lol? Doesn't make any sense. Shepard is bleeding out? And where is he bleeding out? The same spot where he shot Anderson a few seconds earlier.He fainted at the console, but he got up and running at the Godchild? Shepard is not dead.
PS. Adding Religion to this game would be a suicide for the franchise. I really doubt BioWare are that stupid.

Edit: top image:
Liara T'Soni

Modifié par Deventh, 24 mars 2012 - 03:40 .

[jlb524]

ladyvader wrote...

The only way the indocination theory works if it happened on the Citadel at the end game.

It could have happened there.

I don't think indoctrination is a switch either with two modes so it's possible that on the Citadel is where Shepard's indoctrination became strong enough that she had a harder time fighting it.  You could say the existence of the 'Destroy" ending represents a part of her that's still fighting it.

I don't really endorse this theory myself...I just think it better than taking the thing at face value (b/c the existing ending is quite awful to me).