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[PMC65]

Lizardviking wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
Thanks! Before you and ladyvader commented I thought I had gone into that dark void of .

I love the Liara and Ash communities, both have always been great for sharing different ideas.

Don't worry. I may not agree with all that you say, but I try my best to be respectfull.

I always try and remember that we aren't talking about the same characters or even the same story, to some degree. We all add our own shadings, back stories and motivations. So when someone says how they see Liara or the story, I take what would be true in my play and then throw away the rest. But I never feel like they are talking about the Liara in my game. 

That and I remember that I only bought my game ... not yours, so I can't tell you how to play it. 
If I could then Liara is off-limits! You can romance anyone else, wait not Ash either, but anyone else. 

[PMC65]

kaiki01 wrote...

@PMC65

I am coming out straight and apologizing. I saw your post as an attack. I didn't see how your post related to my own post. I was just commenting on how distance didn't mean the end of the relationship. Which at first glance, to me, did not relate to your own post. My first and only thought was that you were starting to troll/derail the thread into asari vs humans. So that is where I was coming from. I see I was wrong and I apologize for leaping to conclusions.

No problem. I thought that you were mentioning it in response to if Liara & Shepard were on their respective worlds helping to "rebuild" and therefore had to separate due to the distance. No harm, no foul. 

But you owe me a beer on omega!   

[ERJAK1]

PMC65 wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

they could end their relationship due to various reasons. Nervous about their future.

The idea of Shepard and Liara breaking up some time in future after the war is over seems so weird to me. considering what the relationship has been though.

Agreed.  If they didn't break after the LotSB, I don't see why they would after the war with the Reapers is over.

If both their homeworlds/species are in ruins/need, I could see them focusing on the rebuild: Shepard helping humanity rebuild and Liara the asari.

Both of these characters (in my game play) care about their people and if it requires them to separate it would not be easy, but they would for the greater good. That is one reason they wold separate, although I have a couple more reasons on why it would come about.

Some reasons are character driven and specific to my Shepard. So as you can see, I have no clue on how my love story will end. I won't know until I play ME3 to help guide and flesh out the ending.

If Liara dying in the game is an option and is not only valid but emotionally powerful, then I would let the game run its course. Not saying it would be easy, but if it felt truthful ... 

Blame it on being raised with the classics ... happy endings aren't always the right endings. And sometimes loving someone means letting them go. My favorite love story is the perfect example = Cyrano de Bergerac 

My Femshep is very sympathetic to the plight of the galactic rebuilding effort. However will not be taking an active role. The following idioms should help explain why; I killed the beast I shouldn't have to cook it, the cook don't clean, The woman who fought for the better part of a decade to save a galaxy full of simpering morons who did EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO GET THEMSELVES KILLED, DIED in the process, lost A LOT of good friends, had to deal with the ridicule, mistrust and outwright hatred of the entire galactic hierarchy, and had to pull a miracle last second hail mary almost literally OUT OF HER ASS to stop a fleet of HYPERADVANCED SAPIENT ****ING STARSHIPS from annihilating the entire galaxy for LITERALLY THE MILLIONTH TIME, deserves to go off into the sunset with her girl and her dog and live out an early retirement on whatever beach front has the least amount of shrapnel.

[PMC65]

ERJAK1 wrote...


My Femshep is very sympathetic to the plight of the galactic rebuilding effort. However will not be taking an active role. The following idioms should help explain why; I killed the beast I shouldn't have to cook it, the cook don't clean, The woman who fought for the better part of a decade to save a galaxy full of simpering morons who did EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO GET THEMSELVES KILLED, DIED in the process, lost A LOT of good friends, had to deal with the ridicule, mistrust and outwright hatred of the entire galactic hierarchy, and had to pull a miracle last second hail mary almost literally OUT OF HER ASS to stop a fleet of HYPERADVANCED SAPIENT ****ING STARSHIPS from annihilating the entire galaxy for LITERALLY THE MILLIONTH TIME, deserves to go off into the sunset with her girl and her dog and live out an early retirement on whatever beach front has the least amount of shrapnel.

LOL!!!! My Shepard couldn't do that, but she sure does envy your Shepard!

[Robhuzz]

My Femshep is very sympathetic to the plight of the galactic rebuilding effort. However will not be taking an active role. The following idioms should help explain why; I killed the beast I shouldn't have to cook it, the cook don't clean, The woman who fought for the better part of a decade to save a galaxy full of simpering morons who did EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO GET THEMSELVES KILLED, DIED in the process, lost A LOT of good friends, had to deal with the ridicule, mistrust and outwright hatred of the entire galactic hierarchy, and had to pull a miracle last second hail mary almost literally OUT OF HER ASS to stop a fleet of HYPERADVANCED SAPIENT ****ING STARSHIPS from annihilating the entire galaxy for LITERALLY THE MILLIONTH TIME, deserves to go off into the sunset with her girl and her dog and live out an early retirement on whatever beach front has the least amount of shrapnel.

Interesting, very interesting. My canon Shepard feels the same way although he's given up on the galaxy as a whole because no one except a few close friends seem to support him. So rather than feeling a plight to save and later rebuild the galaxy, it's his final attempt to rally the galaxy against the reapers. Wheter a race survives or is destroyed depends largely on the willingness of that race to trust Shepard. After the reapers are destroyed, Shepard's work is done. The galaxy will be rebuilt even without Shepard. Immediately after the defeat of the reapers however, Liara and Shepard will be going on a long holiday together, with a possible bondmate ceremony several months later.

[kumquats]

ERJAK1 wrote...

My Femshep is very sympathetic to the plight of the galactic rebuilding effort. However will not be taking an active role. The following idioms should help explain why; I killed the beast I shouldn't have to cook it, the cook don't clean, The woman who fought for the better part of a decade to save a galaxy full of simpering morons who did EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO GET THEMSELVES KILLED, DIED in the process, lost A LOT of good friends, had to deal with the ridicule, mistrust and outwright hatred of the entire galactic hierarchy, and had to pull a miracle last second hail mary almost literally OUT OF HER ASS to stop a fleet of HYPERADVANCED SAPIENT ****ING STARSHIPS from annihilating the entire galaxy for LITERALLY THE MILLIONTH TIME, deserves to go off into the sunset with her girl and her dog and live out an early retirement on whatever beach front has the least amount of shrapnel.

Yeah my femShep would think that, too. But Liara will talk her out of it, she isn't a good influence on my Renegade. Damn you Liara.

[Ashrite]

tbh i prefer liara to ash/kaiden she is the reason why shepard is still breeding and she sicked with him understanding why he is with ceberus in me2 also in lair of the shadow broker looking at the story it looks like shep would date liara instead of ash/kaiden seeing she is not military. and they are....

Modifié par Ashrite, 15 juin 2011 - 03:21 .

[Robhuzz]

Ashrite wrote...

tbh i prefer liara to ash/kaiden she is the reason why shepard is still breeding and she sicked with him understanding why he is with ceberus in me2 also in lair of the shadow broker looking at the story it looks like shep would date liara instead of ash/kaiden seeing she is not military. and they are....

I assume you meant Shepard is still breathing. The breeding part, if you want to call it that, will have to wait until after ME3 since Shepard wants to be a good daddy (raising kids along with Liara) and doesn't have time to raise kids AND fight the reapers at the same time. 

[ladyvader]

Robhuzz wrote...

Ashrite wrote...

tbh i prefer liara to ash/kaiden she is the reason why shepard is still breeding and she sicked with him understanding why he is with ceberus in me2 also in lair of the shadow broker looking at the story it looks like shep would date liara instead of ash/kaiden seeing she is not military. and they are....

I assume you meant Shepard is still breathing. The breeding part, if you want to call it that, will have to wait until after ME3 since Shepard wants to be a good daddy (raising kids along with Liara) and doesn't have time to raise kids AND fight the reapers at the same time. 

I can see Shepard going the route of Jon Grissom, retiring early from the Alliance and leaving the Spectres.  Of the things Shepard has gone through, to me it makes sense to retire.  Then settle down with their LI.  Which for  my Shepard would be Liara and have a bunch of blue children. 

The possiblities are endless, me thinks.

[RolandX9]

ERJAK1 wrote...

My Femshep is very sympathetic to the plight of the galactic rebuilding effort. However will not be taking an active role. The following idioms should help explain why; I killed the beast I shouldn't have to cook it, the cook don't clean, The woman who fought for the better part of a decade to save a galaxy full of simpering morons who did EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO GET THEMSELVES KILLED, DIED in the process, lost A LOT of good friends, had to deal with the ridicule, mistrust and outwright hatred of the entire galactic hierarchy, and had to pull a miracle last second hail mary almost literally OUT OF HER ASS to stop a fleet of HYPERADVANCED SAPIENT ****ING STARSHIPS from annihilating the entire galaxy for LITERALLY THE MILLIONTH TIME, deserves to go off into the sunset with her girl and her dog and live out an early retirement on whatever beach front has the least amount of shrapnel.

My male!Shep approves. *G* Mind you, if there were folks in danger from pirates/slavers/other opportunists (he's a Colonist) he'd probably pitch in on an as-need basis, but he wants to blow off the Council and talk Liara into blowing up the Shadow Broker base so they can be Adventurer Archaeologists together and have lots of little blue children.

Modifié par RolandX9, 15 juin 2011 - 07:00 .

[Grunt Lord]

if a possible choice even though posted something like it earlyer

my shep after reaper wars would stay in contact with council and alliance but retire from alliance. stay a specter but have along break travaling a bit but settle down at my colony/base (earlyer post coneting to colonization thread) build it up more but live a nice relaxed few years but both my shep and liara dont like sitting still much so they might go off and explore, some occasional missions, visit old friends, and live life to its fullest but allways returns to colony after trips. they would have little blue children and live on as celebrites to gallexe eye as hero's and legends!

basic idea changes here and there but basic ideal ending

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Strange to read how everyone is already planning how their Shepard's happy ending is going to be with Liara. I am personally going to wait and play through ME3 before deciding how my Shepard's story is going to end. Althrough I admit that I hope it will be some sort of happily ever after ending like most here are pinning for.

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

Strange to read how everyone is already planning how their Shepard's happy ending is going to be with Liara. I am personally going to wait and play through ME3 before deciding how my Shepard's story is going to end. Althrough I admit that I hope it will be some sort of happily ever after ending like most here are pinning for.

We can hope for a happy ending.  I do anyway and will play ME3 to try and get the happiest ending possible.  At least for my canon Shep.  The rest, well.....

My Aftermath story was floating in my head since LotSB.  But your right, we don't know how things are going to play out in 3 and that could make me go back and rewrite my story over to incoprate what happens to it. 

Here to hoping for no sad ending for Shep/Liara. 

[Grunt Lord]

I useually dont like sad endings never cry for movies but cry for games and animes. seems strange to me that people cry for those movies even though many movies are great and best movie is avitar go blue!

[Robhuzz]

If we know BioWare endings I'm sure there will be a very happy ending (plenty of casualties but Shepard, LI and friends will still be alive) as well as some very sad endings (Everyone dies). How difficult it's going to be to achieve a very happy ending, we can't say. However I'm 100% sure both Shepard and his Liara can survive ME3.

These days you hear of several soccer players ending their careers while in their prime, I feel the same way about Shepard. After having saved the galaxy, being hailed a hero and all, it's time for rest. Why continue to serve the alliance when you'll never get a moment quite as glorious as just after the defeat of the reapers? Might as well take a big break.

Like Ladyvader said, neither Shepard nor Liara are the type of people to sit still, but with so many planets to see they could enjoy a happy life together somewhere in the citadel, earth, illium, thessia, you name it, but in the meantime do a lot of travelling.

I useually dont like sad endings never cry for movies but cry for games and animes. seems strange to me that people cry for those movies even though many movies are great and best movie is avitar go blue!

Emotional scenes don't make me sad and will rarely cause me to even shed a single tear. What usually gets to me is an emotional scene, combined with the proper music. In this case it's the music that amplifies the emotions in the scene enough for me to actually get sad.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 15 juin 2011 - 07:25 .

[Grunt Lord]

oh ya i'm working on a replay from ME1 and just love reromanceing her but slow going becuse of diffrences in me1 to 2

[TheMarshal]

Well, I'm gonna have to keep replaying ME3 until I get the "right" ending, and that's all there is to it!

I want my bondmate ceremony! *woo!*

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I'm not generally a fan of overly happy endings, they make me cringe. But I'm not expecting ME3 to have a perfect ending, the Reapers are probably gonna bleep things up, sacrifices will have to be made and Shep might come out the other side pretty damaged (although my canon Shep is already pretty messed up).

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...

If we know BioWare endings I'm sure there will be a very happy ending (plenty of casualties but Shepard, LI and friends will still be alive) as well as some very sad endings (Everyone dies). How difficult it's going to be to achieve a very happy ending, we can't say. However I'm 100% sure both Shepard and his Liara can survive ME3.

I just hope it is impossible to achieve a perfect ending like ME2.

I useually dont like sad endings never cry for movies but cry for games and animes. seems strange to me that people cry for those movies even though many movies are great and best movie is avitar go blue!

Emotional scenes don't make me sad and will rarely cause me to even shed a single tear. What usually gets to me is an emotional scene, combined with the proper music. In this case it's the music that amplifies the emotions in the scene enough for me to actually get sad.

Not to be nit-picky but I would say that music is  part of what makes a scene. Just because it is not visual does not mean it is part of the emotional experience. Silly to claim music and a scene as seperate entities when music is part of a scene.

[Grunt Lord]

this thread that i started is the only one that has reached passed 2 to 3 pages thanks fellow fans.

im going to go work on my playthrough for now be back later

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

If we know BioWare endings I'm sure there will be a very happy ending (plenty of casualties but Shepard, LI and friends will still be alive) as well as some very sad endings (Everyone dies). How difficult it's going to be to achieve a very happy ending, we can't say. However I'm 100% sure both Shepard and his Liara can survive ME3.

I just hope it is impossible to achieve a perfect ending like ME2.

I useually dont like sad endings never cry for movies but cry for games and animes. seems strange to me that people cry for those movies even though many movies are great and best movie is avitar go blue!

Emotional scenes don't make me sad and will rarely cause me to even shed a single tear. What usually gets to me is an emotional scene, combined with the proper music. In this case it's the music that amplifies the emotions in the scene enough for me to actually get sad.

Not to be nit-picky but I would say that music is  part of what makes a scene. Just because it is not visual does not mean it is part of the emotional experience. Silly to claim music and a scene as seperate entities when music is part of a scene.

That's why I said 'very happy ending' but still mentioned plenty of casualties. For me a very happy ending to ME3 is when Shepard, Liara and a few squadmembers survive. I do not expect nor want a 100% clean run where everyone survives and we end the scene with a big party. It worked very nicely in DAO where, apart from in most origin stories, no important characters were killed (and I loved Leliana saying the hero will most certainly get his girl) but since the scale seems so much bigger in ME3, in order to make it actually feel like a battle, we need setbacks. Important people getting killed, carefully laid plans not working etc etc. As long as Shepard and Liara survive (Along with some of my favorite people: Garrus and Joker) I'll be happy.

I concur when saying Music is part of a scene, however this scene consists of 2 aspects (imo) the visuals.. aka what's happening on screen, and the music that supports the scene. Often I feel the music is much more important than the visuals. If you have crappy visuals but with good music, people will usually still feel the emotion it was meant to bring up. If the visuals are good but the music was poorly chosen, doesn't match the visuals or is just crappy, people are far less likely to pick up this scene as intended.

[Robhuzz]

Grunt Lord wrote...

this thread that i started is the only one that has reached passed 2 to 3 pages thanks fellow fans.

im going to go work on my playthrough for now be back later

Most of us were Liara fan thread regulars but when this forum was opened, the ME2 character forum died out a little, so we moved here instead. And since you beat jlb to making a new Liara thread, we're all posting here now 

Modifié par Robhuzz, 15 juin 2011 - 08:26 .

[kumquats]

What I would like to see in ME3:



Will she tell Wrex that her grandfather was a krogan?



Playing as Liara is a lot of fun, but I have to admit, it was really weird when Liara kissed Liara.

Modifié par kumquats, 15 juin 2011 - 08:49 .

[ladyvader]

Robhuzz wrote...Emotional scenes don't make me sad and will rarely cause me to even shed a single tear. What usually gets to me is an emotional scene, combined with the proper music. In this case it's the music that amplifies the emotions in the scene enough for me to actually get sad.

Music can be very moving especially during an emotional scene.  I will use the tv show OZ that aired on HBO as an example.  The last season, there was an execution of one of the main characters.  He had an accident as an adult that gave him brain damage.  He is now mentally retarded.  He killed a fellow inmate in defense of his older brother, but witnesses in court screwed him over and he got the death penalty.  The music they used during his walk towards the electric chair and the complete emotion of the scene had me crying bad.  I normally don't cry at stuff like that, but that song along with the scene was heartbreaking.  I watched that show often(own dvds of whole series) and that scene still hits me hard. 

If we get a scene like that, emtional mixed with the right music it will be quite powerful.  

[evmiller]

ladyvader wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Ashrite wrote...

tbh i prefer liara to ash/kaiden she is the reason why shepard is still breeding and she sicked with him understanding why he is with ceberus in me2 also in lair of the shadow broker looking at the story it looks like shep would date liara instead of ash/kaiden seeing she is not military. and they are....

I assume you meant Shepard is still breathing. The breeding part, if you want to call it that, will have to wait until after ME3 since Shepard wants to be a good daddy (raising kids along with Liara) and doesn't have time to raise kids AND fight the reapers at the same time. 

I can see Shepard going the route of Jon Grissom, retiring early from the Alliance and leaving the Spectres.  Of the things Shepard has gone through, to me it makes sense to retire.  Then settle down with their LI.  Which for  my Shepard would be Liara and have a bunch of blue children. 

The possiblities are endless, me thinks.

The only thing about Grissom was is that he was a very lonely man who sort of turned into a recluse to avoid the spotlight. I think Shepard would more comfortable dealing with the fame. After the reapers I see Shepard and Liara being invited to a lot of high society partys and speaking events like Grissom (after taking a nice long vacation together), then settle into something more low key like Shepard takeing a 9-5 job teaching young officers at the N7 academy while Liara working at home as an information broker. This, and Liara's other hobbies will occasionally land the two of them in some sort of adventure together. Little blue babies can be added into this plan at anytime. Perfect eplilouge in my opinion.