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[Andronic0s]

Flashflame58 wrote...

 *walks in*

*leaves pic*



*walks back out*

Thats a really nice drawing! thanks 

[jlb524]

adneate wrote...

Though the stages themselves are part biological and part sociological since they are still individuals and are capable of making a choice based on their own criteria if they feel ready for it. A maiden doesn't have children but they don't technically have to wait till 350 rolls around to be a Matron, since they are physically capable of reproduction.

They kinda muddle it but if you're going strictly by biological terms they are physically capable of having children once reaching sexual maturity it's just there's no particular desire on most individual's parts to have kids at what would be the human equal of 14 years old and it's kinda socially frowned upon as well. For obvious reasons.

I always took the stages to be biological since they needed to be triggered or occured due to natural age progression.

There's the sociological stuff tied to them, of course.

Though asari can decide to move into the next phase at any time and I always took that decision as something affecting their biology and not merely a social thing.

[Andronic0s]

jlb524 wrote...

 Here's the passage from Retribution
Pg.  45
He (Grayson) knew the asari preferred to partner with those outside their own species; their unique biology allowed them to take genetic traits from alien partners and incorporate them into DNA of their offspring.  But Liselle was still young; it would be decades--or maybe even centuries--before she passed from the maiden stage of the asari life cycle into the childbearing years of matronhood.

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*nice pics!*

Nothing there contradicts the codex entry though, I would think it would be mentioned somewhere if they where actually sterile, I agree with the idea that it is a choice rather than a biological impossibility

I mean just look at those eyes! those eyes want blue children NOW! 

Modifié par Andronic0s, 26 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[adneate]

jlb524 wrote...
I always took the stages to be biological since they needed to be triggered or occured due to natural age progression.

There's the sociological stuff tied to them, of course.

Though asari can decide to move into the next phase at any time and I always took that decision as something affecting their biology and not merely a social thing.

They have biological aspects that's for sure but they don't commit to the concept of them being clear biological stages in the same way puberty is, the fact that they use that term to describe the start of the Maiden stage indicates there's a degree of blending to these kinds of things. It's marked more by a desire or urge then a hard on off switch. As I read it, it's not that they can move to a stage at any time it's that they can make a concious effort to begin moving from one stage to another if they feel mature enough. Though it would be seen as a somewhat odd lifestyle choice by others.

[jlb524]

adneate wrote...
They have biological aspects that's for sure but they don't commit to the concept of them being clear biological stages in the same way puberty is, the fact that they use that term to describe the start of the Maiden stage indicates there's a degree of blending to these kinds of things. It's marked more by a desire or urge then a hard on off switch. As I read it, it's not that they can move to a stage at any time it's that they can make a concious effort to begin moving from one stage to another if they feel mature enough. Though it would be seen as a somewhat odd lifestyle choice by others.

Yeah, I don't know what the moving entails.  It could take years.

But it seems to me that once in the stage biologically marked 'maiden' they cannot reproduce until they hit the full on matron stage (after the transitional stage).

Going back to this:

jlb524 wrote...

 Here's the passage from Retribution
Pg.  45
He (Grayson) knew the asari preferred to partner with those outside their own species; their unique biology allowed them to take genetic traits from alien partners and incorporate them into DNA of their offspring.  But Liselle was still young; it would be decades--or maybe even centuries--before she passed from the maiden stage of the asari life cycle into the childbearing years of matronhood.

 

The part in bold could be referring to the social aspect of these stages.  But in context of the previous sentence, I took it as a biological one.

Modifié par jlb524, 26 mars 2012 - 04:52 .

[MeandrousJoker]

Whoa. This thread moves at a blazing speed. 

Thank you guys for the warm welcome. I am feeling it necessary to find a happy place after finishing the game. And what other place is there but this little blue paradise. 

I must be quite obsessed seeing as I only really notice the little nuances of Liara's animation / movements throughout the entire game. For that--I am eternally grateful for the phenomenal talents of the animators at Bioware.

staindgrey wrote...

Well, even though "Thanks for stopping by" is a cop out, think of it this way:

Liara's now the Shadow Broker. That's a lot of work/pressure for her. Shepard's the face of humanity trying to save every sentient being in the galaxy. WIth that sort of pressure on both of them, it'd be hard to find any real romantic moment, you know?

And that strained relationship makes their few scenes all the more powerful.

Now that you mention it... I do agree. Although, the auto-dialogue did get a little grating for me. But then again, maybe that was just me grasping at emergency induction ports seeing as it is the supposedly last game with Shepard. I wanted a little more 'fleshed out' interaction between the two but I am thankful for the scenes that we did get all the same.

Also that situation with Thessia. That was a little harrowing. :\\

I've lost count of how many times I wanted to reach out to my monitor and just hug her.

Well... sort of. Maybe that's going a little overboard. 

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

adneate wrote...
They have biological aspects that's for sure but they don't commit to the concept of them being clear biological stages in the same way puberty is, the fact that they use that term to describe the start of the Maiden stage indicates there's a degree of blending to these kinds of things. It's marked more by a desire or urge then a hard on off switch. As I read it, it's not that they can move to a stage at any time it's that they can make a concious effort to begin moving from one stage to another if they feel mature enough. Though it would be seen as a somewhat odd lifestyle choice by others.

Yeah, I don't know what the moving entails.  It could take years.

But it seems to me that once in the stage biologically marked 'maiden' they cannot reproduce until they hit the full on matron stage (after the transitional stage).

It would make sense that they wouldn't reproduce in the maiden stage, but the language used gives the impression that the maiden stage is really just a "finding oneself" phase of life, and can be passed up in the event that they "live" enough to feel the desire to settle down.  I assumed that Liara's whole "get lost in the stars" talk was sort of indicative of a desire to settle down.

[adneate]

jlb524 wrote...
Yeah, I don't know what the moving entails.  It could take years.

But it seems to me that once in the stage biologically marked 'maiden' they cannot reproduce until they hit the full on matron stage (after the transitional stage).

Yeah the only thing they spell out as a hint is, melding a lot and having the desire to have children. Though when you're dealing with a fictional race with conventions but no rules it's really "As fast as the writer needs it". That's always the right answer and the solution to any problem.

Sort of like the speed of a starship, it moves at the speed of plot.

[somewherenoplace]

Andronic0s wrote...

somewherenoplace wrote...

Does anyone have a picture of the Liara with her hands at her hips and saying "...respects your privacy, not like me." She looks adorable there. It's right at the start of the romance cutscene

This one?

Yeah. this was utterly adorable. thanks!

[jlb524]

adneate wrote...

Yeah the only thing they spell out as a hint is, melding a lot and having the desire to have children. Though when you're dealing with a fictional race with conventions but no rules it's really "As fast as the writer needs it". That's always the right answer and the solution to any problem.

Sort of like the speed of a starship, it moves at the speed of plot.

Well, it's as fast as the fan fic writers need it now since I doubt BW will ever touch it again XD

TheMarshal wrote...

It would make sense that they wouldn't reproduce in the maiden stage, but the language used gives the impression that the maiden stage is really just a "finding oneself" phase of life, and can be passed up in the event that they "live" enough to feel the desire to settle down.  I assumed that Liara's whole "get lost in the stars" talk was sort of indicative of a desire to settle down.

From my interpretation of the book passage, it seems they cannot do it in the maiden stage.

Modifié par jlb524, 26 mars 2012 - 04:55 .

[moreeman06]

Logan Cloud wrote...

"I know Asari are mono-gendered, but Liara is technically a woman, right?"
"Well if she's not than I'll happily be gay."

yeah they lean more towards the femine side even if they don't technically have a gender  Also I've got to go to bed funeral in the morning, but i finished that one shot I'll hopefully have it posted either tomorrow or Tuesday and I'll leave you guys with this
 

[Andronic0s]

somewherenoplace wrote...

Andronic0s wrote...

somewherenoplace wrote...

Does anyone have a picture of the Liara with her hands at her hips and saying "...respects your privacy, not like me." She looks adorable there. It's right at the start of the romance cutscene

This one?

*pic*

Yeah. this was utterly adorable. thanks!

No problem!, any excuse to load up that save file and watch the scene again is good for me 

[zingro]

I'm clueless now, I thought she bonded with Shep in the last scene on earth?

No blue baby yet?

[Thorn Harvestar]

I enjoy ending the day catching up with this thread.

Here's some random pics I have as I sign off for the night:


Pause


With Purpose

[Ihatebadgames]

If you think about it,Shepardgot laid 3 (That we know of) times in 3 years.S/he and Liara are already acting like a married couple.

[Sunnie]

jlb524 wrote...

adneate wrote...

Yeah the only thing they spell out as a hint is, melding a lot and having the desire to have children. Though when you're dealing with a fictional race with conventions but no rules it's really "As fast as the writer needs it". That's always the right answer and the solution to any problem.

Sort of like the speed of a starship, it moves at the speed of plot.

Well, it's as fast as the fan fic writers need it now since I doubt BW will ever touch it again XD

TheMarshal wrote...

It would make sense that they wouldn't reproduce in the maiden stage, but the language used gives the impression that the maiden stage is really just a "finding oneself" phase of life, and can be passed up in the event that they "live" enough to feel the desire to settle down.  I assumed that Liara's whole "get lost in the stars" talk was sort of indicative of a desire to settle down.

From my interpretation of the book passage, it seems they cannot do it in the maiden stage.

I think the reason some are confused or disagreeing is the incorrect use of teh term "sterile". Sterility isn't really the correct term to use, more like prepubescent, where they just have not come of age to reproduce biologically.

[Sunnie]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

If you think about it,Shepardgot laid 3 (That we know of) times in 3 years.S/he and Liara are already acting like a married couple.

Theres quite a bit of commentary through out the games to infer that Shepard and Liara have sex quite often.

[Reapinger]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

If you think about it,Shepardgot laid 3 (That we know of) times in 3 years.S/he and Liara are already acting like a married couple.

I get sex from my significant otter more than once a year.... Hahahaha sorry I couldn't resist. But my 2 cents on this, I'm curious to know what differences a baby-making union has from a normal one. 

[Sunnie]

Reapinger wrote...

Ihatebadgames wrote...

If you think about it,Shepardgot laid 3 (That we know of) times in 3 years.S/he and Liara are already acting like a married couple.

I get sex from my significant otter more than once a year.... Hahahaha sorry I couldn't resist. But my 2 cents on this, I'm curious to know what differences a baby-making union has from a normal one. 

None of us know, because its never been detailed by the writers.

[Reapinger]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

Ihatebadgames wrote...

If you think about it,Shepardgot laid 3 (That we know of) times in 3 years.S/he and Liara are already acting like a married couple.

I get sex from my significant otter more than once a year.... Hahahaha sorry I couldn't resist. But my 2 cents on this, I'm curious to know what differences a baby-making union has from a normal one. 

None of us know, because its never been detailed by the writers.

Exactly which is interesting. We could've gotten her knocked up during that little love scene pre-Cerberus. 

[Sunnie]

Reapinger wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

Ihatebadgames wrote...

If you think about it,Shepardgot laid 3 (That we know of) times in 3 years.S/he and Liara are already acting like a married couple.

I get sex from my significant otter more than once a year.... Hahahaha sorry I couldn't resist. But my 2 cents on this, I'm curious to know what differences a baby-making union has from a normal one. 

None of us know, because its never been detailed by the writers.

Exactly which is interesting. We could've gotten her knocked up during that little love scene pre-Cerberus. 

I don't believe so. At 109, she is still technically pre-purberty. While the codex does say that the Matron stage can be triggered early, I don't believe it can be triggered at the equivalent of 8 or 9 year old human girl. perhaps if she was in her mid 200s, that may be the case, but not at 109.

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Liara: So, this is bar tending? Interesting line of work...

Modifié par Sunnie22, 26 mars 2012 - 05:48 .

[Reapinger]

This is true and the codex also says the stage can be triggered by frequent melding. I don't know wha frequent is but I want to think that my Shepard has a shot at blue children