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[The Star Treker]

Couple new shots of Liara and Michael.

[TheMarshal]

Sunnie22 wrote...

I don't believe so. At 109, she is still technically pre-purberty. While the codex does say that the Matron stage can be triggered early, I don't believe it can be triggered at the equivalent of 8 or 9 year old human girl. perhaps if she was in her mid 200s, that may be the case, but not at 109.

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Liara: So, this is bar tending? Interesting line of work...

I think trying to map asari physical development to humans' based solely on their lifespan ratios is a bit fallacious.  By all outward physical indicators, Liara is fully grown.  "Adulthood" is more of a social construct, so when Liara says she's barely considered an adult, I imagine it has more to do with how asari define what it means to be an adult (socially, mentally, emotionally, financially) than anything having to do with her physical ability to create life.

[AxisEvolve]

 Some of my recent Liara screenshots.




 

 




Download high res versions / view more screenshots here. 

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 26 mars 2012 - 06:07 .

[Sunnie]

TheMarshal wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

I don't believe so. At 109, she is still technically pre-purberty. While the codex does say that the Matron stage can be triggered early, I don't believe it can be triggered at the equivalent of 8 or 9 year old human girl. perhaps if she was in her mid 200s, that may be the case, but not at 109.

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Liara: So, this is bar tending? Interesting line of work...

I think trying to map asari physical development to humans' based solely on their lifespan ratios is a bit fallacious.  By all outward physical indicators, Liara is fully grown.  "Adulthood" is more of a social construct, so when Liara says she's barely considered an adult, I imagine it has more to do with how asari define what it means to be an adult (socially, mentally, emotionally, financially) than anything having to do with her physical ability to create life.

And what are you basing this speculation on? My speculative thoughts on the matter are based entirely on the codex entries and various commentary and dialog I've heard through the 3 games. I don't believe a 109 year old Asari can enter the Matron stage, biologically. And using human developmental stages as a comparrison is only to put it into a perspective that is easily understood by most adults.

[The Star Treker]

Here are more with Liara and Michael. Oh with my buddies Garrus and Wrex too. Finally got Michael wearing the Dragon Blood armor since I wasn't able removed the helmet in ME2.

Modifié par The_Star_Treker, 26 mars 2012 - 06:48 .

[Deventh]

@AxisEvolve: T__T amazing screenshots! The moon one is perfect! *Saves quickly*

[TheMarshal]

Sunnie22 wrote...

And what are you basing this speculation on? My speculative thoughts on the matter are based entirely on the codex entries and various commentary and dialog I've heard through the 3 games. I don't believe a 109 year old Asari can enter the Matron stage, biologically. And using human developmental stages as a comparrison is only to put it into a perspective that is easily understood by most adults.

Aside from the codex, I haven't heard anything in-game with respect to the various stages.  The codex itself repeats "biological" and "physiological" a lot, but then it also says this:

However, it should be noted that each stage can be started whenever an asari feels that she has reached the correct level of maturity.

That leads me to believe that they have more control over it than just having to wait for nature to take its course.  It wouldn't be the strangest thing that this universe has introduced.  I mean, Javik was able to tell how strong Grunt's genes were based on the year-old spooge his tank left on the floor of the cargo bay.  Asari being able to flick some internal switch that says "okay, I'm ready for the baby-making now" doesn't seem that farfetched.

From a meta-perspective, that tidbit feels like it was tacked on as an afterthought.  But I like to maintain hope, at least for fanfic reasons.

And I'm off to bed.  Spent a good 11 hours on my Insanity playthrough today.  Spring break will be good for me!  

[AxisEvolve]

Deventh wrote...

@AxisEvolve: T__T amazing screenshots! The moon one is perfect! *Saves quickly*

Thank you 


It's a lot of fun taking screenshots of beautiful characters in all of the stunning locations Bioware created. It's almost like photography.... good practice for the real thing at least. 

[Kilshrek]

TheMarshal wrote...

Have some more blue babies!


Lots of Little Blue Children
~LiveAndLoveArt

My heart just essploded again! Happy Monday... for what it's worth.

[joiner87]

Kilshrek wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Have some more blue babies!


Lots of Little Blue Children
~LiveAndLoveArt

My heart just essploded again! Happy Monday... for what it's worth.

yey:O

[zennyrpg]

I'll try my two cents on the maiden/matron transition. Frequent bonding speeds this transition. Yet an asari can progress to the next strage when she feels "ready".

My interpretation is that the transition is driven by hormones, which are in turn driven by emotions. When an asari finds a partner early in life, the constant pairings and the emotional state of well being/ snugglyness releases hormones that transition them to the next stage of life. So I don't think its a "switch" they can flip, just a natural process they slip into when they find a partner/ or become older. I can't imagine the transition would take a lifetime, since liara wants to have shepard's little blue children- i think she would have mentioned this. For all we know she could already be undergoing this process.

I do get the feeling asari can choose when to bond for the purpose of reproduction and that it is clear to the partner (as it would have to be since they are sharing thoughts/ minds).

[Kilshrek]

And then I read the pages from last night and find strong debate on whether or not Liara can have kids. Such a downer, guys. Don't you think there's enough negativity hanging around the whole of BSN? Bioware already killed my hope with ME 3, I'd simply ask that you guys not kill my hope with Liara. Headcanon wise.

My headcanon = hell yesh. Shepard blasts the Reapers into their component atoms and retires to some damn far away colony with Liara. They have two kids, Shepard lives to 200. The End.

edit  Liara is currently occupying the XO's cabin anyway, and she took up the role pretty easily. Of course, there's no nepotism on my ship, no sir.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 26 mars 2012 - 07:22 .

[Minimooo]

So I just did the Thessia mission yesterday... ;____;

[Kilshrek]

Minimooo wrote...

So I just did the Thessia mission yesterday... ;____;

*hugs*

I'll do for you what Shepard negligently didn't do for her girlfriend. Hug, that is.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 26 mars 2012 - 07:29 .

[mahlerbone]

If you've been loyal to Liara the whole way through does anything extra happen?

[Kilshrek]

mahlerbone wrote...

If you've been loyal to Liara the whole way through does anything extra happen?

How do you mean? If you mean by getting a fulfilling virtual relationship, yes, otherwise, you only get a few bits of dialogue here and there I guess. It has been discussed before but I suppose you'll have to wade through many pages to find the exact posts...


edit : Sorry if I seem snarky there, it's not even 9 in the morning and I'm grumpy.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 26 mars 2012 - 07:40 .

[Agent_Dark_]

And what are you basing this speculation on? My speculative thoughts on the matter are based entirely on the codex entries and various commentary and dialog I've heard through the 3 games. I don't believe a 109 year old Asari can enter the Matron stage, biologically. And using human developmental stages as a comparrison is only to put it into a perspective that is easily understood by most adults.

Why not though?  Human sexual maturity is generally reached from around 12-15 years old (and pretty much fully developed by 18-21). 

Humans typically live for, what, 80 years currently? If Asari live for 1000 years, and Liara is currently 109, then she's pretty close to the 'age' that a Human would be sexually maturing.  She'd certainly be very young for an Asari, but everyone knows that already.

[mahlerbone]

Kilshrek wrote...

mahlerbone wrote...

If you've been loyal to Liara the whole way through does anything extra happen?

How do you mean? If you mean by getting a fulfilling virtual relationship, yes, otherwise, you only get a few bits of dialogue here and there I guess. It has been discussed before but I suppose you'll have to wade through many pages to find the exact posts...


edit : Sorry if I seem snarky there, it's not even 9 in the morning and I'm grumpy.

I guess I meant is there any extra dialog? I got to the part where we were talking on the Citadel and I swear my Shepard basically said lets get married, just not in those words. I was loyal to her since ME1, not even looking at any other character. I was just wondering if anybody else found anything extra. It's almost 4am here...I know I'm going to be grumpy when I wake up haha.

[Axlesauce]

Agent_Dark_ wrote...

Humans typically live for, what, 80 years currently? 

If I remember correctly, In the first Mass Effect, Shepard says "Humans are lucky if they hit 150 years." 

So I guess the Human life has been lenghtened somewhat in the future. 

Edit: Huh. Looks like I completely misunderstood your post. That's what I get for being up at 5am. 

Modifié par Axlesauce, 26 mars 2012 - 07:46 .

[Kilshrek]

mahlerbone wrote...

I guess I meant is there any extra dialog? I got to the part where we were talking on the Citadel and I swear my Shepard basically said lets get married, just not in those words. I was loyal to her since ME1, not even looking at any other character. I was just wondering if anybody else found anything extra. It's almost 4am here...I know I'm going to be grumpy when I wake up haha.

Nothing beyond your own satisfaction, I'm afraid. So far as I know and can remember.

[Miekkas]

mahlerbone wrote...

If you've been loyal to Liara the whole way through does anything extra happen?

There is one rather significant change in dialogue during the romance scene that I noticed, but I won't spoil anything.

[mahlerbone]

Miekkas wrote...

mahlerbone wrote...

If you've been loyal to Liara the whole way through does anything extra happen?

There is one rather significant change in dialogue during the romance scene that I noticed, but I won't spoil anything.

The I love you bit or something different? Haha if its something different don't tell me...

[HetmanNG]

The Maiden, Matron and Matriarch stages are only social position. Why? Look at Matriarch stage -

          "Matriarchs become active in their community as sages and councilors, dispensing wisdom from centuries of experience. - codex"

In Mass Effect universe we didn't see asari without Matriarch social position on high position. Matrons and Maiden are only soldiers, dancers, mothers etc. With age they will gain only expierence and social position - look at ancient Greece or Rome.

Go further - if you don't have 18 years, you are only kid with several rights but if you have above 18, you gain full rights. From Ancient to Middle Ages (especially in Arab countries ), girls with13 years old get merried and have children (Also today in some countries). - "nowadays" you can get married if you have above 18 years. The best time to have children is 25 - 30 age of life. These limits do not mean that you can have only children when you have above 18 years because below you are "effectively sterile" (that was pretty funny for me - no offense for you). These restrictions are the only "common law" not a "biological barrier".

Returning to the heart of the matter -

         "The Matron stage of life begins around the age of 350, though it can be triggered earlier if the individual melds frequently. This period is marked by a desire to settle in one area and raise children.
"

1. Oh yeah - they meld frequently.
2. Liara mentioned to live somewhere in peace/she doesn't want to be somewhere else - (she wants to be with Shepard). - "cabin" scene.
3. She wants to renew the relationship with Shepard.- first talk.
4. In LotSB she wants to Shepard always returned to her.

          "The Maiden stage begins at puberty and is marked by the drive to explore and experience. Most young asari are curious and restless."

5. (On my mind) - if she is maiden, why does she want to be with Shepard? In ME1 or ME2 was mentioned that maiden Asari doesn't become attached to someone - one quick jump to the side and that's all.

In conclusion, I believe that - Liara grew up to Matron stage from Maiden in ME1 to Matron ME2/ME3 and there are no biological barriers to disprove that she can have children.

sry for wall text and for my eng.

Modifié par HetmanNG, 26 mars 2012 - 07:58 .

[Kilshrek]

Okay guys, when we're done talking about when Liara can or can't have babies, will someone message? I'll just be doing other things on the internet.