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[Kilshrek]

yesikareyes wrote...


I'm just messing around! I like how Shepard always teases her "only 109 huh?"

It feels so weird, I used to be a Miranda loyalist... now I guess I'll be spending my time here.

You know, about the whole age thing...

It's almost a given that Shepard will pass before Liara...

And this song kind of captures my feelings about it. Not dead on, of course... but it seems to be quite relevant to my Shep, at least...

Neeh wrote...

I'm suprised you didn't mention what she might be doing under the table. It's so unlike you to miss an oppertunity like that. Unless you think it's implied and too obvious to even worth mentioning. Not going to let you know what struck my mind at first but..wouldn't be a hard guess.

Sorry, this thread is a bad influence on me..

And I leave it as "speculation for everyone!" as to what Liara is doing under the table, maybe she's as drunk as Ashley, or maybe there's another reason why Shep's head is on the table, and does she look like her fingers are trying to hold on to something? I don't know...

Modifié par Kilshrek, 27 mars 2012 - 03:12 .

[jlb524]

kumquats wrote...
I just think, they see Liara as a little girl, playing with a loaded gun.

Yeah, it's their ageism coming into play.  The elder asari never took Liara seriously as an archaeologist because of her age.   She seemed to be quite capable and hell, her theory proved correct.

I think it's the same thing with the Shadow Broker/Info Broker gig...she also seems quite capable of doing that job but the elders simply see her as a maiden and too young to have that much power.  If one of their matriarchs had taken over as the Shadow Broker it would be a different story, I think.

[Dude on Fire]

Just thought of something, even though many probably already have (maybe even posts about it have been made).
Both the control and synthesis choises are taken from Shepards mind. Control is what the Illusive Man has always wanted, but that's just obvious, he took the entire game ranting about it. Synthesis on the other hand, is what Saren wanted. You remember? He talked about organics "becoming one with the Reapers", which is basicly what you do if you meld together ALL synthetic and organic life together. What I just described, the fact that the Catalyst sticks around and looks at you if you choose control (in synthesis you can't see it from your point of view, and in destruction he disappears the second you shoot the thingy), and the fact that your eyes only turn indoctrination-blue if you choose either control or synthesis, are all three very compelling arguments that this is not over. At least it's what I'd like to believe.

[Robhuzz]

Kilshrek wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...

I'm actually a girl, that's just a name I use for my blog. Just saying! lol

Also, Happy Birthday Liara!! One more year of asserting your cougar status over Shepard!

How is a cougar defined anyway? Is it just any older woman and a younger partner? Slightly unfair, isn't it? Since it would rather make the asari a race of cougars.

Yew hoomans are all rayseest!

Jokes

Of course, Liara dominates Shepard in bed every time... Just sayin..

I don't think my Shepard minds getting dominated in bed by Liara. I certainly wouldn't...

Just thought of something, even though many probably already have (maybe even posts about it have been made).
Both the control and synthesis choises are taken from Shepards mind. Control is what the Illusive Man has always wanted, but that's just obvious, he took the entire game ranting about it. Synthesis on the other hand, is what Saren wanted. You remember? He talked about organics "becoming one with the Reapers", which is basicly what you do if you meld together ALL synthetic and organic life together. What I just described, the fact that the Catalyst sticks around and looks at you if you choose control (in synthesis you can't see it from your point of view, and in destruction he disappears the second you shoot the thingy), and the fact that your eyes only turn indoctrination-blue if you choose either control or synthesis, are all three very compelling arguments that this is not over. At least it's what I'd like to believe. 

I'm not sure what to believe. But I sure as hell don't want to believe BioWare intended to end the series with the ending we got. Don't give up hope. We'll know more soon at PAX.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 27 mars 2012 - 03:15 .

[kumquats]

jlb524 wrote...

I've been thinking about this "melding" thing again and I don't think it's as invasive as most think.

I definitely don't think you see all of your partners memories and thoughts all at once. I also don't think you can dig around in there to find whatever you might be looking for. I think what is available depends on the mental state of your partner. If Liara and Shepard are gettin' it on, Liara probably isn't thinking of that A- so Shepard couldn't see that. Though, if Liara's melding with my asarisexual Shepard, Liara could possible do some 'move' on her that might trigger a memory of her time with another asari that did something similar and that could be awkward...

Going back to ME1, I don't believe Liara had to dig around in Shepard's mind to see the Prothean beacon vision. Shepard was thinking about it and discussing it just right before the meld so it was available.

I agree with that. Otherwise, Asari would know every secret in the galaxy.

[ihp]

jlb524 wrote...

kumquats wrote...
I just think, they see Liara as a little girl, playing with a loaded gun.

Yeah, it's their ageism coming into play.  The elder asari never took Liara seriously as an archaeologist because of her age.   She seemed to be quite capable and hell, her theory proved correct.

I think it's the same thing with the Shadow Broker/Info Broker gig...she also seems quite capable of doing that job but the elders simply see her as a maiden and too young to have that much power.  If one of their matriarchs had taken over as the Shadow Broker it would be a different story, I think.

not sure but didn't she say in the 1st game  that because she was a matriarchs child that great things were expected of her? she was to be a leader of her people and she did not want that so she went into seclusion so to speak....  good points

[Fiannawolf]

This is what 2 out of 3 of my sheps want to see when they wake up from Dream Endgame part 1.

[Dude on Fire]

Hey, if you've got an account for this page (Facebook or Twitter accs work fine) you NEED to get in here and vote for Liara as your LI in ME3.
http://www.holdtheli...as-your-li.201/

[Kilshrek]

Fiannawolf wrote...

This is what 2 out of 3 of my sheps want to see when they wake up from Dream Endgame part 1.

Armour on Liara and damaged armour on Shep and we have a deal right there. Only my only canon Shep wants that to be the case so bad... The end of the journey, where the payoff should be.

[kumquats]

ihp wrote...

not sure but didn't she say in the 1st game  that because she was a matriarchs child that great things were expected of her? she was to be a leader of her people and she did not want that so she went into seclusion so to speak....  good points

Yeah, but I thought that they wanted Liara to "replace" Benezia, when she is a matriach herself. I don't think they expected her to follow Benezia's footsteps at her age.

[Eclipse merc]

So close to 1000 pages...

[jlb524]

kumquats wrote...

ihp wrote...

not sure but didn't she say in the 1st game  that because she was a matriarchs child that great things were expected of her? she was to be a leader of her people and she did not want that so she went into seclusion so to speak....  good points

Yeah, but I thought that they wanted Liara to "replace" Benezia, when she is a matriach herself. I don't think they expected her to follow Benezia's footsteps at her age.

I believe they probably wanted to start her on that path...at least convince Liara to come out of her shell and act like a 'normal' maiden (i.e., be more social and outgoing).

Benezia didn't approve of the archaeologist path either but now I suspect it's mainly b/c Benezia believed studying the Protheans to be a waste of time considering she had  that damn beacon at the temple (and Liara would eventually have access to it as well).  

[DOsquareZER]

jlb524 wrote...

kumquats wrote...

ihp wrote...

not sure but didn't she say in the 1st game  that because she was a matriarchs child that great things were expected of her? she was to be a leader of her people and she did not want that so she went into seclusion so to speak....  good points

Yeah, but I thought that they wanted Liara to "replace" Benezia, when she is a matriach herself. I don't think they expected her to follow Benezia's footsteps at her age.

I believe they probably wanted to start her on that path...at least convince Liara to come out of her shell and act like a 'normal' maiden (i.e., be more social and outgoing).

Benezia didn't approve of the archaeologist path either but now I suspect it's mainly b/c Benezia believed studying the Protheans to be a waste of time considering she had  that damn beacon at the temple (and Liara would eventually have access to it as well).  

You don't think Benezia was trying to protect her from such things?  Researching the protheans/secrets of the past might have led her to Asari secrets with some major punishments to be dished out should Liara uncover the truths behind Thessian history.  Or maybe Benezia was ...conditioning her...was tired of the Asari being stuck in the past, wanted the daughter to sniff it out? (maybe, im not saying thats what i believe - just a maybe though)

Modifié par doozer12, 27 mars 2012 - 03:40 .

[ihp]

jlb524 wrote...

kumquats wrote...

ihp wrote...

not sure but didn't she say in the 1st game  that because she was a matriarchs child that great things were expected of her? she was to be a leader of her people and she did not want that so she went into seclusion so to speak....  good points

Yeah, but I thought that they wanted Liara to "replace" Benezia, when she is a matriach herself. I don't think they expected her to follow Benezia's footsteps at her age.

I believe they probably wanted to start her on that path...at least convince Liara to come out of her shell and act like a 'normal' maiden (i.e., be more social and outgoing).

Benezia didn't approve of the archaeologist path either but now I suspect it's mainly b/c Benezia believed studying the Protheans to be a waste of time considering she had  that damn beacon at the temple (and Liara would eventually have access to it as well).  

good point about the beacon

[AndroLeonidas]

ihp wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kumquats wrote...

ihp wrote...

not sure but didn't she say in the 1st game  that because she was a matriarchs child that great things were expected of her? she was to be a leader of her people and she did not want that so she went into seclusion so to speak....  good points

Yeah, but I thought that they wanted Liara to "replace" Benezia, when she is a matriach herself. I don't think they expected her to follow Benezia's footsteps at her age.

I believe they probably wanted to start her on that path...at least convince Liara to come out of her shell and act like a 'normal' maiden (i.e., be more social and outgoing).

Benezia didn't approve of the archaeologist path either but now I suspect it's mainly b/c Benezia believed studying the Protheans to be a waste of time considering she had  that damn beacon at the temple (and Liara would eventually have access to it as well).  

good point about the beacon

I don't know... I think she was angry Liara decided to become a Prothean expert BECAUSE she was hiding that Beacon and she figured eventually Liara would find it. Maybe she didn't trust Liara's Maiden instincts to keep the secret.

[jlb524]

doozer12 wrote...
You don't think Benezia was trying to protect her from such things?  Researching the protheans/secrets of the past might have led her to Asari secrets with some major punishments to be dished out should Liara uncover the truths behind Thessian history. 

Maybe.  Given how difficult it was to find any decent Prothean artifacts/data I doubt the risk was all that great.

If you think about it, the asari who knew about the beacon probably had far more knowledge on the Protheans than the entire scientific body devoted to the subject.  Liara would most likely spend years and years adding maybe a very small amount of knowledge to that body.  It seems futile when you know Liara will someday have access to the beacon.

doozer12 wrote... 
Or maybe Benezia was ...conditioning her...was tired of the Asari being stuck in the past, wanted the daughter to sniff it out? (maybe, im not saying thats what i believe - just a maybe though)

Yeah, I think that's part of it too.  Why worry about digging up crumbs of data on the Protheans when it's not necessary?  From Benezia's perspective, it would be better if Liara lived in the present (and enjoyed her maiden years) while planning for the future.

Modifié par jlb524, 27 mars 2012 - 03:49 .

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

I believe they probably wanted to start her on that path...at least convince Liara to come out of her shell and act like a 'normal' maiden (i.e., be more social and outgoing).

Benezia didn't approve of the archaeologist path either but now I suspect it's mainly b/c Benezia believed studying the Protheans to be a waste of time considering she had  that damn beacon at the temple (and Liara would eventually have access to it as well).  

I may be confusing headcanon (or someone else's fics) with established story points, but I thought Benezia was okay with Liara becoming an archaeologist?  Liara "rebelled" against being a matriarch's daughter by becoming a scientist (take that mom!) and Benezia found it acceptable?

[MaroAlighieri]

That beacon pissed me off. This whole time A VI made by the guy IN CHARGE of the Crucible was just sitting there. Right there!

Sure, the stuff in the Archives was just sitting there too but it wasn't being hidden. I wanted to reach into my TV and b***hslap Councilor Tevos.

Modifié par MaroAlighieri, 27 mars 2012 - 03:59 .

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...
I may be confusing headcanon (or someone else's fics) with established story points, but I thought Benezia was okay with Liara becoming an archaeologist?  Liara "rebelled" against being a matriarch's daughter by becoming a scientist (take that mom!) and Benezia found it acceptable?

I don't think she found it acceptable but she decided to let her daughter follow her own path instead of forcing her to do something else.

So I guess you can say Benezia accepted the rebelling (as it was expected of young asari daughters) but not the archaeologing (that's probably not a word but I like it). 

Perhaps Benezia would have preferred Liara's rebelling to take the form of a tattoo on her butt or something.

MaroAlighieri wrote...

That beacon pissed me off. This whole time A VI made by the guy IN CHARGE of the Crucible was just sitting there! Right there!

Sure, the stuff in the Archives was just sitting there too but it wasn't being hidden. I wanted to reach into my TV and b***hslap Councilor Tevos.

What I don't get is why Benezia never used the beacon to find information on the Reapers (before she was indoctrinated).  I imagine if she asked the VI about 'Reapers' it would have revealed the plans for the Crucible and all that.

Though, at that time, convincing people to build it would have been damn hard. 

Modifié par jlb524, 27 mars 2012 - 04:00 .

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
I may be confusing headcanon (or someone else's fics) with established story points, but I thought Benezia was okay with Liara becoming an archaeologist?  Liara "rebelled" against being a matriarch's daughter by becoming a scientist (take that mom!) and Benezia found it acceptable?

I don't think she found it acceptable but she decided to let her daughter follow her own path instead of forcing her to do something else.

So I guess you can say Benezia accepted the rebelling (as it was expected of young asari daughters) but not the archaeologing (that's probably not a word but I like it). 

Perhaps Benezia would have preferred Liara's rebelling to take the form of a tattoo on her butt or something.

We don't have much in the way of in-game stuff that talks about how the asari see Liara, do we?  I remember Liara talking about purebloods, and there are hints that purebloods in general are derided, but not much that's specific to Liara and Benezia.

[adneate]

jlb524 wrote...
So I guess you can say Benezia accepted the rebelling (as it was expected of young asari daughters) but not the archaeologing (that's probably not a word but I like it). 

Perhaps Benezia would have preferred Liara's rebelling to take the form of a tattoo on her butt or something.

I got the sense that Liara was being groomed for politics and leadership on Thessia and Benezia disapproved because Liara wanted to spend all her time alone on remote planets with what to her would seem like worthless prothean knick knacks (They had a fracking VI the whole time) instead of gaining some kind of applicable life experience and social skils.

I guess she respected the strength of Liara's convictions but was kinda pissed off anyway that she was wasting her time digging in the dirt. I get the sense the only reason she even remotely accepted what Liara did with her life was Aetheya pointing out that she won't be able to stop her even if she wanted to.

[Neeh]

Considering Benezia bought Liara her first history book as a child, basically encouraging her. I don't see Bezzy having too many issues with Liaras chosen path.

I really enjoyed the scene where she talked about her mother. Game needs more of those moments..

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...
We don't have much in the way of in-game stuff that talks about how the asari see Liara, do we?  I remember Liara talking about purebloods, and there are hints that purebloods in general are derided, but not much that's specific to Liara and Benezia.

We just know that most other asari expected great things from Liara b/c she was Benezia's daughter.  And that they also looked down upon her pureblood heritage.

Benezia was well respected by the other asari...it seemed to me that she was a leader of her people and powerful/influential even for a matriarch.   I'd say she was also well known outside of asari culture/politics considering she was friends with Saren and owned stock in Binary Helix, a multi-species corporation (and she always promoted cooperation with the other species).

adneate wrote...
I got the sense that Liara was being groomed for politics and leadership on Thessia and Benezia disapproved because Liara wanted to spend all her time alone on remote planets with what to her would seem like worthless prothean knick knacks (They had a fracking VI the whole time) instead of gaining some kind of applicable life experience and social skils.

I guess she respected the strength of Liara's convictions but was kinda pissed off anyway that she was wasting her time digging in the dirt. I get the sense the only reason she even remotely accepted what Liara did with her life was Aetheya pointing out that she won't be able to stop her even if she wanted to.

Yeah, that seems about right.  I forgot about the Aetheyta comment.

Neeh wrote...
Considering Benezia bought Liara her first history book as a child, basically encouraging her. I don't see Bezzy having too many issues with Liaras chosen path. 

I don't think she has issues with Liara's interest in history or the Protheans per se...knowing galactic history would be necessary to becoming a good matriarch and leader.  But I think she doesn't want Liara to waste her time doing something that will prove futile in the long run (cuz Benezia has all the answers Liara's looking for). 

Modifié par jlb524, 27 mars 2012 - 04:15 .

[adneate]

Neeh wrote...
Considering Benezia bought Liara her first history book as a child, basically encouraging her. I don't see Bezzy having too many issues with Liaras chosen path.

Maybe this is just my personal preception coming through but that seemed more like a parental apology than encouragement, basically she felt bad for losing her temper at Liara and gave her a present to make her happy. Issues between children and parents are complex and they don't ever tend to go away, which is how Liara and her mother's relationship came across as much as they loved each other they fought all the time over the same issues and never resolved them.

To the archives with this one:

Modifié par adneate, 27 mars 2012 - 04:15 .

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
We don't have much in the way of in-game stuff that talks about how the asari see Liara, do we?  I remember Liara talking about purebloods, and there are hints that purebloods in general are derided, but not much that's specific to Liara and Benezia.

We just know that most other asari expected great things from Liara b/c she was Benezia's daughter.  And that they also looked down upon her pureblood heritage.

Benezia was well respected by the other asari...it seemed to me that she was a leader of her people and powerful/influential even for a matriarch.   I'd say she was also well known outside of asari culture/politics considering she was friends with Saren and owned stock in Binary Helix, a multi-species corporation (and she always promoted cooperation with the other species).

Good points.  I was going to introduce an bit-part asari character in the fic I'm working on, and I'm trying to figure out how she would be perceived to the asari.  Obviously she warrants watching if they've got Aethyta sicced on her, but I was curious what else we "knew" from established canon.  I of course have no problem simply making **** up, though.