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[mbr.to]

the cuteness

[Tyranniac]

jlb524 wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

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I really like it so far.

Thanks!

Neeh wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

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As if keeping up with the thread itself wasn't enough. Now I got multiple blogs to get through aswell [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

 

Uhm... sorry? :innocent:

I'll post third part too eventually...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Not only that, but your other characters didn't need a Cipher to understand what it was saying. Same with Vigil.

 

Well, Vigil actually translated itself to a language that was compatible with the other's translators.

Edit: Messed up the quote.

Modifié par Tyranniac, 27 mars 2012 - 05:26 .

[TMA LIVE]

Tyranniac wrote...

Well, Vigil actually translated itself to a language that was compatible with the other's translators.

Edit: Messed up the quote.

Yeah, so if Vigil did that, then why didn't the Prothean VI do the same for the asari? Why make one thing require translation, and the other does not?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 27 mars 2012 - 05:27 .

[PMC65]

Neeh wrote...

And I thought it was the B-word you feared from Liara, PMC, not the 'M' one.

Both ... but at least Liara accomplishes the M word with Shepard!

Hi Yuqi - I picked RED as well. Shepard's task from game one was to "destroy the reapers" so there you go. Mission accomplished. TIM's was control & Saren's was synthesis ("the strength of both, the weaknesses of neither").

moreeman06 - I want pictures of your completed geth! And stop sounding like me it's not natural! Pod I say, you slept next to a pod .... or a reaper artifact.

Deventh - Cool picture. My Shepard has been there.

AlexMBrennan - There can never be a "sugar sweet" ending because even a Shepard with Liara hugging is still a bittersweet. Liara lost her mother and Thessia is burning while look at all the friends they lost and the billions dead. Bittersweet is a given. However, an ending that makes sense was not a given?

Why didn't we get a scene like Neeh's picture of Liara holding Shepard in the rubble? Why Bioware?

Ulicus - I didn't play that Shepard yet. Sorry.

Nharia1 - Thanks for the share. I'll take a look later. Work is piling up!

Kilshrek - It is true. As other Shepards marry Liara in my universe they would be heading to the Crystalis Resort on the planet Quana and spend the next few weeks just enjoying each others company. Or at least that is what I would hope for. Then they each would head to their homeworlds with a promise to see each other within the month.

ihp - I would think that they were watching her because "like mother, like daughter". I'm sure when Cerberus tied Shepard reappeared and she was in contact the red flags went up even higher ... Now the question becomes when did they start watching her? I have already written scenes where the concern was raised and this was pre-ME3. Don't you love it when your headcanon matches a future reveal? Those are cool moments ... better than when they destroy your headcanon like the ending.

Benezia was a great leader in the asari society even before she was a matriarch so Liara had a lot to live up to. I think in the end she succeeded even though she was trying to rebel against it. But that is a story for another time ... for now she needs to get her butt to Shepard and pull her dying body from the rubble!

As to Liara and Benezia's relationship ... they loved each other and just had daughter/mother moments. It's a shame that Liara did not get to mature just a little bit more so that she could understand her mother better. In my youth I didn't always see eye to eye with my mom and years later I could see her wisdom. That is one of the things that I think is so sad about Liara. Robbed of her relationship with Benezia and also having to be there when her mother dies. It really broke me up when I finally took her on Noveria (didn't my first game). As to the rift? Liara really never says what that is or even if it is really a rift. You are put on board a ship of humans who are chasing your mother ... I would keep my cards so close to my chest. So what the relationship is like between Liara and Benezia is left a little murky. What I do know is that Benezia was proud of her daughter and that Liara loved her. My own headcanon of the two makes Noveria that much worse.

Fiannawolf - Nice picture.

yesikareye - Why can't you spend time on both? I go back and forth from the Liara to the Ash thread ... with lurking in the Tali, Miranda, Kaidan, Joker and Jack threads.

To meld or not to meld ... and what is melding really? Each player must make up what that is I guess until Thessia is finally located and the asari come out to play. 

If that night before Cerberus was baby making then at least as Liara steps off the Normandy she knows that her species will survive. There is the happy ending? *walks off grumbling about the stupid, stupid ending*

[Tyranniac]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

Well, Vigil actually translated itself to a language that was compatible with the other's translators.

Edit: Messed up the quote.

Yeah, so if Vigil did that, then why didn't the Prothean VI do the same for the asari? Why make one thing require translation, and the other does not?

Do we know if the VI was active before? Couldn't it have been just the beacon?

[WoolyJoe]

I thought the VI only 'materialised' from the Beacon because it mistook Shepard for a Prothean. If anyone could gain access to it those indoctrinated by the Reapers may have been able to gain information about the Crucible and the Beacons. So the Asari never could gain everything stored inside it.

Maybe...

[TMA LIVE]

Robhuzz wrote...

adneate wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
One thing that bothers me though: If the VI really requires the Cipher to understand, how did TIM figure out the catalyst was the citadel? He doesn't have the Cipher...

I'm sure if you asked the writers they'd say it came from that Reaper thing that zapped him and made his eyes look like Saren's.

Depends on the writer. If said writer was responsible for the ending, the response would most likely be: "Cipher...?"

Not only that, but your other characters didn't need a Cipher to understand what it was saying. Same with Vigil.

Hmm that's true. Vigil said it monitored your communication and translated his message so we could understand... It's likely the VI on Thessia could do the same. Wouldn't be much point to it if you left a VI for another species to use, only they could never understand it:pinched:

Exactly. This is almost a plothole since ME1, where they lefted messages, but expected you to understand them. While also leaving an VI that translates it for you automatically in seperate locations.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 27 mars 2012 - 05:38 .

[Tyranniac]

  I find the lack of blue on this page disturbing.

[Aquarius]

WoolyJoe wrote...

I thought the VI only 'materialised' from the Beacon because it mistook Shepard for a Prothean. If anyone could gain access to it those indoctrinated by the Reapers may have been able to gain information about the Crucible and the Beacons. So the Asari never could gain everything stored inside it.

Maybe...

But according to Javik, the Asari were the most promising species back then. If I had been a Prothean, I would've stored as much data as possible in a device, like Liara's project, and leave it where the Asari could find it so they could prepare for the Reapers. It makes no sense not to do that. Well, except for gameplay reasons, because otherwise we wouldn't need Commander Shepard...

Modifié par Wasserfrau, 27 mars 2012 - 05:41 .

[KILLER_CATTT]

Tyranniac wrote...

  I find the lack of blue on this page disturbing.

I agree!

[AndroLeonidas]

WoolyJoe wrote...

I thought the VI only 'materialised' from the Beacon because it mistook Shepard for a Prothean. If anyone could gain access to it those indoctrinated by the Reapers may have been able to gain information about the Crucible and the Beacons. So the Asari never could gain everything stored inside it.

Maybe...

The VI sensed the Cipher maybe.
I don't think the Asari ever were able to activate it like Shepard and Javik did. The output thingies only Javik saw initially because he is Prothean and that's how they knew to activate them.

[TMA LIVE]

Wasserfrau wrote...

WoolyJoe wrote...

I thought the VI only 'materialised' from the Beacon because it mistook Shepard for a Prothean. If anyone could gain access to it those indoctrinated by the Reapers may have been able to gain information about the Crucible and the Beacons. So the Asari never could gain everything stored inside it.

Maybe...

But according to Javik, the Asari were the most promising species back then. If I had been a Prothean, I would've stored as much data as possible in a device, like Liara's project, and leave it where the Asari could find it so they could prepare for the Reapers. It makes no sense not to do that. Well, except for gameplay reasons, because otherwise we wouldn't need Commander Shepard...

Exactly. They wouldn't leave a beacon and expect it to only work for Protheans, when it's meant for the asari.

So I'm under the impression that they knew about the Reaper threat... and thought it was full of ****. Then ran into Shepard and his Reaper theories, and got thrown into a pickle where if they admit that they also were given a warning by a Beacon they've been hiding for years, they'd lose their position of power over the other races. So they selfishly sat on it, and hoped someone else would figure things out without them admitting it. And doing so cost billions of lives.

[jlb524]

Wasserfrau wrote...
But according to Javik, the Asari were the most promising species back then. If I had been a Prothean, I would've stored as much data as possible in a device, like Liara's project, and leave it where the Asari could find it so they could prepare for the Reapers. It makes no sense not to do that. Well, except for gameplay reasons, because otherwise we wouldn't need Commander Shepard...

Perhaps they expected the Protheans in the lifepods to be discovered shortly after the last cycle ended and they would be the ones that led the others...they placed all their eggs in that basket.  

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Yuqi wrote...

EW Shepard..why is that familar, odd.

I know some of you don't like to be reminded, but which colour did you pick, and why? I picked Red, because I couldn't see any real justification for letting them live.

Blue, control was the best answer to the problem.

And from a story-telling perspective, the control version of when Shepard makes his choice is the best IMO.

AndroLeonidas wrote...
As someone already said... parents and
children will always fight over certain things. I believe Benezia was
angry that Liara chose the path she did... but proud of her immensely
that she stuck to her guns. I also think she would have preferred Liara
chose something else because being a Prothean expert... someday Liara
was bound to find out about the beacon. At least that is what I
think.

I like to think this as well. Benezia wanted her to follow the same path as she did, but not just because of the fact that she already had the answers to the protheans. 

[ihp]

jlb524 wrote...

Wasserfrau wrote...
But according to Javik, the Asari were the most promising species back then. If I had been a Prothean, I would've stored as much data as possible in a device, like Liara's project, and leave it where the Asari could find it so they could prepare for the Reapers. It makes no sense not to do that. Well, except for gameplay reasons, because otherwise we wouldn't need Commander Shepard...

Perhaps they expected the Protheans in the lifepods to be discovered shortly after the last cycle ended and they would be the ones that led the others...they placed all their eggs in that basket.  

the beacon is just a bigger memory shard. remember the one Javik has and you ask him what is on it? well to me it just looked like the one in the temple.  so yeah it is like Liara's project.

[Robhuzz]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

adneate wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
One thing that bothers me though: If the VI really requires the Cipher to understand, how did TIM figure out the catalyst was the citadel? He doesn't have the Cipher...

I'm sure if you asked the writers they'd say it came from that Reaper thing that zapped him and made his eyes look like Saren's.

Depends on the writer. If said writer was responsible for the ending, the response would most likely be: "Cipher...?"

Not only that, but your other characters didn't need a Cipher to understand what it was saying. Same with Vigil.

Hmm that's true. Vigil said it monitored your communication and translated his message so we could understand... It's likely the VI on Thessia could do the same. Wouldn't be much point to it if you left a VI for another species to use, only they could never understand it:pinched:

Exactly. This is almost a plothole since ME1, where they lefted messages, but expected you to understand them. While also leaving an VI that translates it for you automatically in seperate locations.

Not entirely a plot hole. Only the VI on Thessia was left for the Asari to understand, it was likely programmed to communicate in a format that Asari could understand. Vigil, for unknown reasons, was able to translate his output into something we could understand, but it was never really planned that future species would set foot on Ilos.

The beacons were another matter entirely they were never actually intended to be understood by anything other than a prothean. They were warning messages to other prothean planets, warning them about the Reapers. Javik is also incredibly surprised that you've actually managed to see it. Then he digs his own plothole and contradicts himself, saying he expected organic races to be able to understand the vision, but comes to the conclusion that communication is still primitive in this cycle, thus the current races could not understand the vision.

[The Lightspeaker]

[quote]Neeh wrote...

Reading the last pages though, I get a picture of all of all you manic melders laying exhausted on the floor with PMC in the middle of the room, grinning a big "I told you so" face.[/quote]

Totally worth it.


[quote]Yuqi wrote...

I
know some of you don't like to be reminded, but which colour did you
pick, and why? I picked Red, because I couldn't see any real
justification for letting them live.[/quote]

Green. But only because I was confused by what was being said. I got the impression that the destroy ending was the ONLY one which destroyed the relays. Which actually added quite a bit of depth to the choice in fact because it was "give them something of what they want or do what I set out to do and destroy them but ruin the galaxy in the process".

Quite a surprise when the relays exploded in mine. Ended up going back, reloading and choosing my original instinct.


[quote]Kilshrek wrote...

[quote]Deventh wrote...

Liara's birthday is today (at least on our calendar)? Today is a special day then! Cheers!

A gift for Liara should be something like the one she did for Shepard:


Only much hotter,without clothes and not in the mind...y'know what i mean...
[/quote]

Worry not, Shep's a grade A+ blueberry eater. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

She knows what she's doing.

I... should probably go do some other things for a while..

[/quote]

And I should seriously stop trying to drink anything whilst reading this thread.


[quote]Yuqi wrote...

Oh they're plenty of those already and some
are horrendously bad. There's  a 'happy ending' ,and then there is an
'unrealisitc sugar high ending' [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]
[/quote]

Yeah, some are a bit over the top. I'm going to jot down my own headcanon at some point (though I dunno if I'll post it up anywhere, its more for personal entertainment) and by the goddess I hope I don't fall into that trap.


[quote]Neeh wrote...

Slightly relevant top image!
[quote]Kilshrek wrote...


Liara's already under the table, 'cause Shep can totally drink a Krogan under the table, and dear blue is only a quarter Krogan.

[/quote]

I'm
suprised you didn't mention what she might be doing under the table.
It's so unlike you to miss an oppertunity like that. Unless you think
it's implied and too obvious to even worth mentioning. Not going to let
you know what struck my mind at first but..wouldn't be a hard guess.
[/quote]

I'm pretty sure that having Liara under the table would be WAAAY too distracting to carry on drinking.


[quote]jlb524 wrote...

I've been thinking about this "melding" thing again and I don't think it's as invasive as most think.

I definitely don't think you see all of your partners memories and thoughts all at once. I also don't think you can dig around in there to find whatever you might be looking for. I think what is available depends on the mental state of your partner. If Liara and Shepard are gettin' it on, Liara probably isn't thinking of that A- so Shepard couldn't see that. Though, if Liara's melding with my asarisexual Shepard, Liara could possible do some 'move' on her that might trigger a memory of her time with another asari that did something similar and that could be awkward...

Going back to ME1, I don't believe Liara had to dig around in Shepard's mind to see the Prothean beacon vision. Shepard was thinking about it and discussing it just right before the meld so it was available.[/quote]


[quote]I always saw melding as a shared joint experience. Like showing
your photo album of memories to someone you care about. They can't just
rip through the pages at will, you have to open the album and share what
you want them to experience. Atleast to me that sounds alot more
intimate than the "All you thoughts are MINE!" version.
And I'll assume the first time you ever meld with someone or you're inexperienced it's easy to let things slip..
Or it can be hard to hide or not show things that either weigh you down alot, or have alot of emotions tied up with them..
[/quote]

Like these ideas, modifying my headcanon to assimilate them.


[quote]Robhuzz wrote...

[quote]Kilshrek wrote...

Of course, Liara dominates Shepard in bed every time... Just sayin.. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

[/quote]

I don't think my Shepard minds getting dominated in bed by Liara. I certainly wouldn't...[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie][/quote]

We talked about that a few pages ago (ok, probably a few DOZEN pages ago). I postulated that what with Shepard having to be this big heroic military leader with everyone its a relief for her to be the submissive one and let Liara take charge in the bedroom.



Right, caught up again. And it seems I owe Liara a Happy Birthday!

And for everyone else, have a Liara:
http://desmond.image....jpg&res=medium

Modifié par The Lightspeaker, 27 mars 2012 - 06:05 .

[Deventh]

Took a screenshot for Liara's birthday! "There is no place i'd rather be"

Modifié par Deventh, 27 mars 2012 - 06:16 .

[Arcataye]

I think about the consciousness joining as sharing, not as an open book, but one that you read with your partner.

[JadeDragonMTR]

VarrenSoldier wrote...

Thinking about the ending makes me want to think about writing a ME3 rewrite fanfic.

Yeah, don't we all. LOL. I always expected that Shep ends up a council member working with Anderson and Hacket to rebuild Earth, and bringing other species together to rebuild their home worlds. Liara settles down on the Citadel with Shep doing whatever she wants to do (information broker or researcher, etc.). Garus becomes a Spectre working with Shep. Tali, Wrex, Mordin and others come and visit them while on official businesses. Kaiden/Ashley takes over the Normandy with Jame Vega eventually becoming the XO after he aces his N7 training. 

Too idealistic? At least it should be one of the options. 

[TheMarshal]

JadeDragonMTR wrote...

Yeah, don't we all. LOL. I always expected that Shep ends up a council member working with Anderson and Hacket to rebuild Earth, and bringing other species together to rebuild their home worlds. Liara settles down on the Citadel with Shep doing whatever she wants to do (information broker or researcher, etc.). Garus becomes a Spectre working with Shep. Tali, Wrex, Mordin and others come and visit them while on official businesses. Kaiden/Ashley takes over the Normandy with Jame Vega eventually becoming the XO after he aces his N7 training. 

Too idealistic? At least it should be one of the options. 

I think that level of detail can only be relegated to the realm of fanfiction.  The future of these characters is far too personal a thing for Bioware to cover even a fraction of the possibilities.  For example, Alice would definitely take Liara up on that offer of getting lost in the stars together, finding some remote nowhere planet and just living for a while.  At least until their first daughter is born.  That would work for me, but it might not work for others.  A little video clip of little blue babies would make most of us squeal with delight, but for PMC and others it would go against what they wanted for their Shepards.

[Tyranniac]

TheMarshal wrote...

JadeDragonMTR wrote...

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I think that level of detail can only be relegated to the realm of fanfiction.  The future of these characters is far too personal a thing for Bioware to cover even a fraction of the possibilities.  For example, Alice would definitely take Liara up on that offer of getting lost in the stars together, finding some remote nowhere planet and just living for a while.  At least until their first daughter is born.  That would work for me, but it might not work for others.  A little video clip of little blue babies would make most of us squeal with delight, but for PMC and others it would go against what they wanted for their Shepards.

I agree, there shouldn't be any terribly specific information like that I think. Just leave it fairly open in the end, but grant the possibility to have an ending that could at least lead to what we want, instead of, well... the ending we have.

[DanBol]

Probs. posted already but I love this picture

[Arcataye]

She saw Shepard walking towards her and the finality of everything hit her. "This is it, isn't it?", she asked.
She needed to tell Shepard something, knowing that it could be the last chance, she couldn't find the words.

"I don't know what to say. All those little blue children will be disappointed I didn't have a speech."
But there was no need for words, she took Shepards hands into her own.
"I have something for you, a gift." - "Show me."
Calm, dark, soothing space embraced them, a horizon of light in the distance.
She thought about Shepards words. Marriage, old age and a lot of little blue children.
"You will have all of that Shepard, just promise me to come back alive."
"I'm always coming back.” Shepard promised, they kissed while sailing off to the horizon.
"Thank you. For everything. I love you.", her heart skipped a beat.
"Now let's do what needs to be done.", she quickly added, shaking off the pain, trying to keep Shepard focused.
-
Shepard knew she could die, but she also knew that she had a new reason to fight for. It gave her the strength to fight for the right to live, to forge a better tomorrow for her future daughter. For the future of the galaxy.
-

She  knew that she wasn't coming back, but she also knew that she had done her part in the world.
During her last breath, she didn't feel pain, she felt complete, with a single image in her mind...

"I.. I'm sorry love...", air escaped her lungs, she had finally found peace.

Modifié par Arcataye, 27 mars 2012 - 06:35 .

[jlb524]

Arcataye wrote...

She  knew that she wasn't coming back, but she also knew that she had done her part in the world.
During her last breath, she didn't feel pain, she felt complete, with a single image in her mind...

"I.. I'm sorry love...", air escaped her lungs, she had finally found peace.

Tyranniac wrote...

I agree, there shouldn't be any terribly specific information like that I think. Just leave it fairly open in the end, but grant the possibility to have an ending that could at least lead to what we want, instead of, well... the ending we have.

Yeah...I think that's best.   As it stands now...that's not quite possible.

Modifié par jlb524, 27 mars 2012 - 06:35 .