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[.shea.]

FROST4584 wrote...

Chouan wrote...

Pictures of Kelly in ME3? Where? PM, please:)

There are no pictures of Kelly in Mass Effect 3. I am just providing links to anyone to a ME3 spoiler thread on a another site.

Oh, if there's any info about Kelly and her role in ME3 I'd like a link too, if possible (I've seen the old leaked script, but that's it).

[Shadowscythe85]

I wouldn't mind a PM either. I wonder if her romance counts towards the Paramour achievement (those that did felt like full romances).
Supposedly Kelly is on Earth and if Shepard is on Earth at the end as well, then I think I can handle the endings.

[FROST4584]

Shadowscythe85 wrote...

I wouldn't mind a PM either. I wonder if her romance counts towards the Paramour achievement (those that did felt like full romances).
Supposedly Kelly is on Earth and if Shepard is on Earth at the end as well, then I think I can handle the endings.

Sure, but Revan informed me a few minutes ago ,that Kelly still isn't a real romance. I am very upset at this. I just hope that something great comes out a romance out of Kelly. The leaked script had some good parts in for Kelly.

Modifié par FROST4584, 01 mars 2012 - 08:45 .

[.shea.]

FROST4584 wrote...
Sure, but Revan informed me a few minutes ago ,that Kelly still isn't a real romance. I am very upset at this. I just hope that something great comes out a romance out of Kelly. The leaked script had some good parts in for Kelly.

Really? That's a shame, does she at least acknowledge the fling (I think they said that having dinner with her was flagged)? Also, where/when do you meet her in ME3? Here's for hoping that Kelly has a proper role in ME3.

[phimseto]

Yeah, it's looking pretty bleak. It would bother me no matter what, but the implication that

a. she had a far more substantial role that was removed

and

b. they're throwing new LIs and characters our way that we have zero investment or interest in, especially the person who takes her place on the Normandy...

...really, really, really bugs me.

And again what bothers me more than anything is the nagging suspicion that this was collateral damage to make room for MP stuff.  

It doesn't really matter if they do something more with DLC.  You can only play ME3 for the first time once.  Playing the game again, this time with Kelly, isn't going to mean nearly as much when you know what is coming.  This is an extraordinary disappointment.

Modifié par phimseto, 01 mars 2012 - 09:13 .

[Drone223]

phimseto wrote...

Yeah, it's looking pretty bleak. It would bother me no matter what, but the implication that

a. she had a far more substantial role that was removed

and

b. they're throwing new LIs and characters our way that we have zero investment or interest in, especially the person who takes her place on the Normandy...

...really, really, really bugs me.

And again what bothers me more than anything is the nagging suspicion that this was collateral damage to make room for MP stuff.  

It doesn't really matter if they do something more with DLC.  You can only play ME3 for the first time once.  Playing the game again, this time with Kelly, isn't going to mean nearly as much when you know what is coming.  This is an extraordinary disappointment.

I'm hopeing that this is all just sepculation, I'll see for myself in ME3

[Legion64]

Kelly is more of a friend that gives you free lap dances.

[The Enforcer OS]

Legion64 wrote...

Kelly is more of a friend that gives you free lap dances.

Which is like the friend you pay for ... at Chora's Den to do the same thing?   XD

[FROST4584]

I still importing my single shep, "romance" kelly import first. On a side note , I am upset that Samara didn't get her own real romance option in ME3. It was flagged in Mass Effect 2, but I guess it is useless, since it wasn't expanded on as far as I know in Mass Effect 3.

[The Enforcer OS]

FROST4584 wrote...

I still importing my single shep, "romance" kelly import first. On a side note , I am upset that Samara didn't get her own real romance option in ME3. It was flagged in Mass Effect 2, but I guess it is useless, since it wasn't expanded on as far as I know in Mass Effect 3.

Really? even as a minor.  I'm surprised they didn't do anything w/ that either.

[phimseto]

What bugs me is that there are, presumably, new LIs, and it begs the question: why bother? Or more accurately - why give all that attention to them without at least building on player investments from prior games? It's going to seriously irk me when the romance comes up with X or Y, characters I don't know or care about, knowing full well that BW dropped the ball on a prior relationship players were actually invested in.

The thing about Kelly is that her conversations were easily the best of any of the LIs. All the others were wrapped up in the pathos of the mission or their own personal bull****, with some late stage flirtation on the way to the paramour achievement/trophy. With Kelly, you actually talked and flirted over the course of the whole game, and everything about it felt normal and made sense.

But hey...at least we get multiplayer and Jessica Chobot.

Pfft...

[gearseffect]

phimseto wrote...

What bugs me is that there are, presumably, new LIs, and it begs the question: why bother? Or more accurately - why give all that attention to them without at least building on player investments from prior games? It's going to seriously irk me when the romance comes up with X or Y, characters I don't know or care about, knowing full well that BW dropped the ball on a prior relationship players were actually invested in.

The thing about Kelly is that her conversations were easily the best of any of the LIs. All the others were wrapped up in the pathos of the mission or their own personal bull****, with some late stage flirtation on the way to the paramour achievement/trophy. With Kelly, you actually talked and flirted over the course of the whole game, and everything about it felt normal and made sense.

But hey...at least we get multiplayer and Jessica Chobot.

Pfft...

I hope that the at least we get multiplayer thing is a joke?


Yeah I gotta 2nd this about BW throwing old LIs to the wolves. Well we're on the sebject of kicking this horse, I'd like to mention yet again that I have unresolved feelings for Samara, and Samara seemed to have the same feelings toward my Shep. So it was mutual, and as far as I can tell BW has completely throwing this to the wolves and let it get ripped to shreads.

Considering Kelly and Samara were my favorite LI's in the series, and the thing with Samara I've been wanting a definte counclusion to since ME2 and it's been my biggest cliff hanger.

I had to really flirt with both of them, and they both seemed to develop in a reasonalblly truer matter and not some quick sudden "we may die lets make love while we can" thing.

The fact that Samara wanted time to sort things out and all, made me not presue any other LIs and end things as friends with liara after LotSB, in hopes of mading showing I wasn't lookin for a quick piecof @ss with Samara, I had to work for it.

Kelly was great and her romance developed in a great way with Shep, and the flirting was there from the get go and it was clear as day, you'd have to be a moron not to see it going on.

Seems things don't look good for my favorite LI's

[The Enforcer OS]

gearseffect wrote...

Seems things don't look good for my favorite LI's

I hope it happens for both, I'm not going to stress though until I've actually seen that it doesn't exist first hand.

[XX55XX]

Kelly is just going to get some throwaway cameo. It won't even take into account the relationship you formed with her in ME2.

[FROST4584]

The funny thing is that Mass Effect 3 was going to be my last big console game. I mean as in launch day have to get game.This current gen has burnt me out as a hardcore gamer. It's too much of an investment. Lets face it, I don't like it , but I am going to buy the From Ashes DLC day one. So I am really paying $79 for a game and NO collector edition owners you didn't get the DLC for free you've payed for it already. Lets be real here, there is going to be at least 4-5 DLC in the future so that is what..... at least $35 more for completionests.

Looking back at last gen Xbox , PS2, and Gamecube were simpler times. Buy a game and that was it. Current gen is a massive let down.

I'm somewhat dissapointed that how the choices didn't really matter, and not to mention how little Kelly and even Samara hinted at something in Mass Effect 2, was never followed up on. If EA and Bioware can get a bunch of people to build multiplayer out of the blue months ago, why didn't they hire more people to flesh out some of these characters or at least include more from the leaked script, instead of doing away with it because it was too time consuming?

Modifié par FROST4584, 01 mars 2012 - 10:29 .

[draken-heart]

FROST4584 wrote...

Shadowscythe85 wrote...

I wouldn't mind a PM either. I wonder if her romance counts towards the Paramour achievement (those that did felt like full romances).
Supposedly Kelly is on Earth and if Shepard is on Earth at the end as well, then I think I can handle the endings.

Sure, but Revan informed me a few minutes ago ,that Kelly still isn't a real romance. I am very upset at this. I just hope that something great comes out a romance out of Kelly. The leaked script had some good parts in for Kelly.

really? oh well, i guess that means that Kelly won't mind if my lez!Shepard romances her and  sammy, only to go back to her in my headcanon.

Modifié par draken-heart, 01 mars 2012 - 11:30 .

[bluewolv1970]

so beyond the panic and speculation, has it been confirmed or denied that Kelly is any type of romance option in ME3??

[gearseffect]

FROST4584 wrote...

The funny thing is that Mass Effect 3 was going to be my last big console game. I mean as in launch day have to get game.This current gen has burnt me out as a hardcore gamer. It's too much of an investment. Lets face it, I don't like it , but I am going to buy the From Ashes DLC day one. So I am really paying $79 for a game and NO collector edition owners you didn't get the DLC for free you've payed for it already. Lets be real here, there is going to be at least 4-5 DLC in the future so that is what..... at least $35 more for completionests.

Looking back at last gen Xbox , PS2, and Gamecube were simpler times. Buy a game and that was it. Current gen is a massive let down.

I'm somewhat dissapointed that how the choices didn't really matter, and not to mention how little Kelly and even Samara hinted at something in Mass Effect 2, was never followed up on. If EA and Bioware can get a bunch of people to build multiplayer out of the blue months ago, why didn't they hire more people to flesh out some of these characters or at least include more from the leaked script, instead of doing away with it because it was too time consuming?

FROST have you been following my BSN blaming rants? That is spoken like it came from my mouth, of course you only said it way better than I have been able to.

God I suck at words, I say it as I see it, and it's offten blunt and sharp, Heh that was something I loved about Ashley she sucked at words, I can relate to that.

A good share of my favorite ME characters I can relate to in some way, Jack, Ashley, ME1 Liara, and Samara.

My other favorite characters either had great warm welcoming personalities, Kelly and Liara or seemed to have some deep issues or some sort huge sense of responsibilities, Wrex, Thane, Mordin, and again Samara fits in here.

I've been saying the same thing for awhile now Frost, if BW/EA could find a way to add a MP mode, and get Garrus and Tali back in then there is no call they didn't do the same for other characters and spend the time and resources to make this game what it's fans wanted. If they had really wanted to they could have made this game hands down something that would blow everything else out of the water and put itself in a completly different catagory than all oher video games. With the single player driven Story Mode and the unheard of character devolpemnt and relationships the players have with each one. IF they wanted to they could have done it and not had a problem pulling it off. If they wanted to do it bad enough and cared enough about it they would have pulled it off and not had any problems doing it.

Where there is a Will there is a Way.

I feel as if BW/EA wanted to mainsteam this game way too much, and sell it to a different and completly new fan base as opposed to staying with what they had been doing and go with it.

II wonder how much of the plot, characters, and choices, were cut and Sacrificed to make the Combat Story mode work?

ME's main Goal/Draw/Appeal had always been wrapped around a player driven story game, that had great characters, and gave players choices, and  was itended to be a 3 part series/act/interactive movie expereince. That has always been how the game was markted and in the first 2 games that is what the game was.

BW used this to push the game, and from the very start it had a huge fanbase and not a normal fanbase either, the fan base was a cult type fan base ya know, and ME was declaired from the resease of the first game on 360 the video game equivalent of Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and Star Trek.

The game stood out in the crowd of cookie cutter games on the store shelfs, Call of Duty, Halo, Gears, EA Sports, Medal of Honor, Zelda, Mario, Metriod, Zombies, Assassins Creed, and everything else.

It was something unique and completly different than everything else.

When I get Mass Effect 3 I hope to be proven wrong but I'm a realist and I feel that my fears will all be right there, I'd like to be able to look back on this and say  "I remeber before ME3 came out, I was so upset and freaked out at all the messed up rumors and ready to burn Bioware/EA to the ground, but when it came out and I got it man it really was great and I was just going insane, It's funny that I was going insane for nothing"

But I doubt I will.

If things turn out like they appear to be and I fear they are going to, and people are happpy and praise this game and say that it was the best game and they did it right, I will loss even more faith in humans and having a mind to think for themselfs, and all that good stuff.

I gotta aslo say FROST that I preordered the Collectors Edtion back in May of 2011, and Yes I already paid the extra $$ money for the day one DLC, and I'm not so blind as to say yeah but I'm also getting or but that's different, or make excusses for BW/EA for making us pay for day one DLC. BW gave us Day 1 DLC for Free with ME2 if you bought it new.

So there is only more proof at how things have changed over at BW. I will not be as angery at EA as I will be at BW, why? Because BW started ME and the people there could have done things differently and continued on with what this series started out as, If EA didn't like then BW Eployees had a choice to tell them "to get F*cked and your not going to let Fear Compramise what this sereis is about."

I have no problem saying this and this is my stand point.

Sorry for that big long exercising of my internal turmoil demons that have been building up to my witnessing the fate of ME3,.

[bluewolv1970]

XX55XX wrote...

Kelly is just going to get some throwaway cameo. It won't even take into account the relationship you formed with her in ME2.

that is a flat out lie

[bluewolv1970]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

so beyond the panic and speculation, has it been confirmed or denied that Kelly is any type of romance option in ME3??

anyone?

[The Enforcer OS]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

so beyond the panic and speculation, has it been confirmed or denied that Kelly is any type of romance option in ME3??

anyone?

Apparently not as of yet.

@FROST, I agree w/ you %100,  gaming is gettin too gimmicky,  with most of my favorite franchises ending their arcs, more and more gimmicks, and less social features.  I see myself heading into a gaming retirement.  I used to buy every game in certain genres, now I've windled down to favorite franchises.  Unless BioWare hears a few concerns, I'll be sad to not continue on w/ this franchise as well.

[gearseffect]

Over this last generation of video games, I've slowly stopped buying as many video games as I had been. Due to the quality I felt was lacking. Too Many games that were not unique and attempted to sale like CoD, and appeal to that audience.

It's all rather watered things down. I had been a fan of Gears as well, but after 3 came out, there was just way to much focus on MP modes, and I felt it was a sign of how things are head. Too much focus on MP.

Granted Gears 3 provided a great ending to a story mode shooter series, it had scenes that were both gut wrenching, but also they were not of of place and the characters were not acting out of character, I've followed the series and character in the comics and novels, and the few deaths in Gears 3 were handled well, and the one will always rank in my top moments in video game history. Unless Epic Decides to bring the characters back from the dead.

Anyway I'm saddened to see that BW may just suffer from the fate of too many others ME3 will be a total let down and destroy the once great legacy the series was aiming for. The disappointment may just be unrivaled in video games. Or Maybe I just think way to highly of this series as a whole.

Or Maybe many of us are all nothing more than hoard of trolls.

[The Enforcer OS]

gearseffect wrote...

Over this last generation of video games, I've slowly stopped buying as many video games as I had been. Due to the quality I felt was lacking. Too Many games that were not unique and attempted to sale like CoD, and appeal to that audience.

It's all rather watered things down. I had been a fan of Gears as well, but after 3 came out, there was just way to much focus on MP modes, and I felt it was a sign of how things are head. Too much focus on MP.

Granted Gears 3 provided a great ending to a story mode shooter series, it had scenes that were both gut wrenching, but also they were not of of place and the characters were not acting out of character, I've followed the series and character in the comics and novels, and the few deaths in Gears 3 were handled well, and the one will always rank in my top moments in video game history. Unless Epic Decides to bring the characters back from the dead.

Anyway I'm saddened to see that BW may just suffer from the fate of too many others ME3 will be a total let down and destroy the once great legacy the series was aiming for. The disappointment may just be unrivaled in video games. Or Maybe I just think way to highly of this series as a whole.

Or Maybe many of us are all nothing more than hoard of trolls.

I agree with that.  I don't know that its everyone being trolls (at least not all)  I don't know the communities average age here, but I'm starting to see a lot of 'veteran' gamers take a disliking to some of the changes to the industry.  People want to have a good time playing games, plain and simple.  Now it's taking work, and things just leave people scratching their heads as to what the intent was. 

I loved Gears of War's ending.  It surpassed Halo 3.  When I get into a franchise, I get into it, comics, novels, games.  Halo started to cave during Reach once it started to conflict with its own canon.  So far Gears is the only one I've seen hold true, and it has a lot to do with having 1 writer for the Games & books.  Mass Effect may start to suffer as it becomes even more commercialized.  It really depends on whether or not BioWare / EA care about the integrity of the franchise or the money the make from it.  (Their inclination is already implied)

To BioWare's credit there appears to be a lot of fixes in Mass Effect 3 over Mass Effect 2, I'm thankful for that.  Because of that I hope these LI's will be consistent too. 

[phimseto]

Well if all this Kelly stuff turns out to be true, which unfortunately seems to be the case, it's extraordinarily disappointing.

It is also a reminder that we might as well, at least to some degree, enjoy Mass Effect 3 because I don't think we will see anything like it again. The way I've always seen the process is that Bioware was firmly committed to creating this amazing accomplishment of a story told over three games, consequences and all. Right after that, though, EA purchased Bioware and their priorities changed. Instead of pushing to break through the different obstacles that this challenge presented, they spent a lot of time in ME2 writing around them or ignoring them. Then with this insistence on adding MP for the third game, they've gotten even further away from telling as deep a story as possible - and I'm sorry, there is no argument against it. Every ounce of space dedicated to MP is space that takes away from more story elements in the SP experience, including (I would imagine) Kelly's role in ME3.

After this, I doubt they will try anything quite so ambitious again. There's easier ways to make money, and quite frankly, that's EA's ultimate mandate: most value for least amount of cost. Good business practice, but it makes for some lousy games.

Modifié par phimseto, 02 mars 2012 - 03:25 .

[The Enforcer OS]

phimseto wrote...

Well if all this Kelly stuff turns out to be true, which unfortunately seems to be the case, it's extraordinarily disappointing.

It is also a reminder that we might as well, at least to some degree, enjoy Mass Effect 3 because I don't think we will see anything like it again. The way I've always seen the process is that Bioware was firmly committed to creating this amazing accomplishment of a story told over three games, consequences and all. Right after that, though, EA purchased Bioware and their priorities changed. Instead of pushing to break through the different obstacles that this challenge presented, they spent a lot of time in ME2 writing around them or ignoring them. Then with this insistence on adding MP for the third game, they've gotten even further away from telling as deep a story as possible - and I'm sorry, there is no argument against it. Every ounce of space dedicated to MP is space that takes away from more story elements in the SP experience, including (I would imagine) Kelly's role in ME3.

After this, I doubt they will try anything quite so ambitious again. There's easier ways to make money, and quite frankly, that's EA's ultimate mandate: most value for least amount of cost. Good business practice, but it makes for some lousy games.

Well said, very objective, and true. 

Bioware's pace with this transition has been more gradual, but it happened with Pandemic and Mercenaries.   Mercenaries was amazing while independently published and then Mercenaries became a smoldering terd once Pandemic was under the EA umbrella, mostly on account of unfixed glitches. 

I think you'd be right on the ambition level, do to the cost to attempt something this vast.  Allowing players to kill characters, means the creation of future assets that may never be seen for some players' experiences.