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[gearseffect]

Revan654 wrote...

Makatak wrote...

Dusty Everman wrote...

Revan654 wrote...

Some suggests you had to have dinner with Kelly for her to appear in ME3.

That is true.  You needed to be close friends with her to give her the perspecitive and courage to leave Cerberus.

It makes you wonder...

...just what exactly happened in the Captain's Cabin that night?

I think we all know what happenend that Night(If you went down the Romance Path).

Wish Kelly had something to say at the End like a Romanced Miranda or Jack.

Ohh no more salt in my wounds again, Wonder how that would work Kelly vid call at the end on earth?

Man BW you really know how to crush your fans, it's bad enough that in the leaked scripts I knew what utter BS and lying jersk BW was with their promisses to Thane and Samara fans, but they just had to go and cut Kelly form things too.

Anyway got a tissue or a hug? I could use both,
Blah I've been working all night up for more than 24hours, so I'm more crazy than I normally am. Sadly it's day light out and I never can sleep during the day.

[Kalralahr]

This the entire dialogue for how Kelly came to join Cerberus. I'm not too sure on the exact sequence but as best I can tell it's how it would have been presented

Kelly:[Kelly seems distraught] Shepard.
It's good to see you.
Shepard: Is something bothering you,
Kelly?
K:No, not really. Well, I've been
questioning myself. I owe Cerberus a great deal. Was it right for me
to leave them?
S:Why do you think you owe Cerberus
anything?
K:It's a long story. Did you know I
actually met the Illusive Man face to face once? Few have. Before
Cerberus, I was a waitress on a luxury liner with a very exclusive
clientele.

I'm not sure if the Illusive Man was
there for business or pleasure. I just kept his drinks coming.
"Bourbon. Three fingers. Neat." He had his pick of any
working girl, but he took an interest in me, I suspect precisely
because I wasn't for sale. We spoke for hours. It was obvious he
wanted more than just good conversation. And I can't say I didn't
want the same. He can be very seductive.
S:But you refused his advances?
K: I knew if I slept with him, I'd lose
all his respect. I didn't want that to happen. I never saw him again
after that night, at least not in person.
S:Then how did you join Cerberus?
K: The management of the liner changed
sometime later. Batarians took over. Things got really bad.
Some of the staff were beaten. Others
just disappeared. None of us could leave.
I don't know exactly why, but one day
Cerberus boarded and cleaned the ship out. Killed every batarian. But
they took care of the entertainers. Made sure we were all safe. Set
us up with lodging until we got on our feet. I got a message from the
Illusive Man. He'd pay for my college, and if I did well, I'd have a
job waiting for me. So you see, I owe him my life, in more ways than
one.



Renegade?
S:I think I've heard enough.
K:So long story short, the Illusive Man
got me out of a bad situation, gave me an education and a job. He
gave me a future.



Romance ?
S:You were there for me when we took
down the Collectors. You put your life on the line, and paid a heavy
price. Anything Cerberus ever did for you has been paid back
ten-fold. Don't feel guilty.

K:You always know how to make me feel
good
S:My pleasure.
K:So, it's your pleasure to make me
feel good. I miss those times up in your cabin.
Thank you for checking in on me. I'll
see you later, okay?



Friends ?
S:You didn't belong with them. Cerberus
took advantage of your optimism and compassion.
K:I don't think it's that black and
white, and I'm not as naive as you think.
K:I know what you meant, and I
appreciate you checking in on me. Thank you.
K: I'll see you later, okay?

[LelianaHawke]

Thanks for that!

This is my latest piece that deals with some of Kelly's guilt. Bigger size here.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 24 avril 2012 - 03:38 .

[Shadowscythe85]

I had feared that the thread had died there for awhile. While I wished that the cut stuff was put back somehow, at least knowing it exists allows for its use in other ways. I just hope that BW doesn't kill her off in the Extended Cut b/c that would really be unfair and realistically unnecessary for the story.
On a sidenot, I got a FemShep and Kelly commission in the works and hopefully when its done I'll be able to post it here.

[draken-heart]

in my head canon, i had Shepard and Kelly together through ME2, then post Arrival, before Kelly left, they decided to just be friends.

the reason i am mentioning it is because i hope they do not kill Kelly, so that post-game Head canon can have them start over in their relationship.

do not kill me for setting Katelynn (my fem!Shepard) with Samantha for during the game

Modifié par draken-heart, 25 avril 2012 - 03:41 .

[LelianaHawke]

But... why?

Samantha has even less than Kelly in ME3.

[draken-heart]

LelianaHawke wrote...

But... why?

Samantha has even less than Kelly in ME3.

...she is closer

[LelianaHawke]

Pfft. A captain of a ship of war has to make those sacrifices, not get it on with the closest available woman.

One of the best things I liked about the Kelly romance was the feeling of being overwhelmed by the war and having to make sacrifices, with the knowledge that you'd be trying to rekindle things afterwards.

It felt... real.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 26 avril 2012 - 02:16 .

[draken-heart]

in my opinion, Kelly's "romance" in ME2 felt more like friends w/benefits anyways, LelianaHawke, while ME3's "rekindling" seems more like pushing her, after all, i read that Kelly has some concerns about it, obligations and all. do not get me wrong, Kelly is a wonderful girl, it is just...i do not know, Samantha seems nice. She may have less, but Kelly seems more friend-zone, while Traynor's romance seem a bit more fast-pace, yet emotional at the same time.

just checked out the romance scene, she does state some concerns, i guess the whole long-distance thing could cause problems for the relationship. plus Kelly can't be on the Normandy because of the Collector base thing.

Modifié par draken-heart, 26 avril 2012 - 02:33 .

[LelianaHawke]

Samantha was completely devoid of emotions. A shower scene within 2 minutes of the start of the first date belongs in porn, not a serious relationship.

I didn't feel like Shepard was pushing Kelly at all. Kelly obviously thinks the world of Shepard - she will suicide if Shepard doesn't approve of her. It's obvious she wants to be with Shepard, and says at much, but it's also the only romance where the actual real effects of the war on relationships are really discussed.

I was happy for my Shepard to go 'romance-less' in a way until the war finished, because that is more realistic. It made finishing the war all the more personal, because she couldn't get her 'needs' met with a quick fling while reloading her rifle.

And that will make the eventual reunion all the more special, because she never cheated on Kelly.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 26 avril 2012 - 02:30 .

[draken-heart]

like i said before, they were just friends after arrival in my head canon so... plus, everyone hates Samantha's romance because it has no build-up. any of you all think that maybe she was added as a romance late in development, so they did not have time to fully develop it. plus Sam gets stranded on Gilligan's planet anyways so there would be time for them to get back together post-game.

but like i said love her character, romance feels...awkward IMO.

simply put, Kelly was not a real romance in ME2, you just had to have "romanced" her to have to option to actually persue her in 3, plus quite a few people only romanced her so they can get her to feed their fish.

Her romance in ME3 is the best of the ME2 "continuations", just Romances in General in ME has alwas been "Why should we wait? we might die in a few minutes anyways."

i really cannot see coaxing Kelly into a romance, when Shepard could die in the endgame anyways. my opinion is that would cause Kelly more pain than i would want, so it is better to get with someone on-hand in case Shepard needs a little something-something in the evening, also it would save kelly a lot of heartache if Shepard dies in the end. (disregard the Separd breath scene in the destroy ending, that could be Shepard's last gasp of breath, i mean, shepard does take a bit of damage from the reaper blast, so shepard might have soem internal injuries that could kill her.)

Modifié par draken-heart, 26 avril 2012 - 03:02 .

[draken-heart]

perhaps i over-explained it, LelianaHawke. so here is a question for you: Imagine that you are in the military, and also have a girlfriend/boyfriend like Kelly (Attitude, not appearance), she/he has now way of knowing if you are alive aside from the letters you send her/him. Now imagine you died and she/he gets the news and the letters stop. How will she/he feel? devastated, hurt, etc. my opinion continuing a romance with Kelly is like that. She has no real knowledge on if you are alive or not, since she does not have her Cerberus contacts. if i was to have my Shepard continue romancing her and then die in the endgame (laziness, made non destroy choice, whatever) it would probably kill her to lose the love of her life. so with that logic it is better to be in the friend-zone with Kelly, where if my Shepard died, she can find someone else. and if not, well, my head canon can sort that out later since Samantha is trapped on jungle planet anyways.

Modifié par draken-heart, 26 avril 2012 - 03:25 .

[LelianaHawke]

That doesn't make any sense because the millions of people in militaries the world over don't go cheat on their partner just because they might die on deployment.

People can and do die on deployment, leaving families behind. This is a human factor, and it's never brought up as justification for the people involved to cheat.

Maybe your Shepard felt this way, but I can't accept that it is something that's better for Kelly generally in every Shepard's timeline. In my timeline Shepard was true to Kelly to the end, and it was much more moving than if she had just shacked up with Traynor when things went bad.

If Shepard dies, then it is entirely possible that Kelly will kill herself. That's not a bad story... Romeo and Juliet ended that exact same way. But if Shepard lives, then they be together knowing that neither faltered. That is far more satisfying than having a plan B. Ultimately, it's better for Kelly then because she gets the assurance that Shepard will be loyal to her through anything.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 26 avril 2012 - 03:42 .

[draken-heart]

LelianaHawke, i will admit that it was just my opinion, but note in my first post when this fight started that i said it was in my head canon that they decided to be just friends, so it is not cheating, in my mind.

Kelly's romance is the best ME2 Continuation, i have admitted that already, but Liara's is better overall.

Modifié par draken-heart, 26 avril 2012 - 04:12 .

[CHALET]

I would be optimistic for more Kelly in the Extended Cut, even if it is just a proper "goodbye" and discovering she made it off the Citadel but I am cynical enough to figure out we won't get that. I reckon more Liara is liable to be shoved down our throats and the other interests might get their face shown during the final choice.

Frankly, I was a little surprised Kelly got 'as much' as she did in ME3. I wish they had pulled a Chawkas with Kelly and had given us the choice to recruit Samantha (get her on the Citadel instead) or Kelly, or just get Sam if she had died during the Collector Base for instance.

Modifié par CHALET, 26 avril 2012 - 06:01 .

[Shadowscythe85]

draken-heart and LelianaHawke, both of you make good and valid points. I can see not romancing Kelly from the perspective that Shepard’s death would probably drive Kelly to lose all hope and possible kill herself due to losing the person she cared most about. I mean if Kelly would suicide if Shepard gets mad at her about the reporting thing, I would only assume losing Shepard forever would overwhelming devastate her to the point of choosing not to live on without her. It’s a pretty painful choice, but one each player has to make. Draken chose the friend route and Leliana chose the romance route - both valid and reasonable choices.

The romance with Kelly, I think, is based on Kelly having the utmost love for Shepard. Shepard convinced Kelly to leave Cerberus and she would do anything for Shepard. Kelly’s hesitation in being Shepard’s special someone comes not from being pushed, but from the idea that she can’t be there for Shepard on the ship when things go bad and needs someone right there to comfort her. Kelly wants to be with Shepard, but feels that Shepard should have someone nearby and not millions of miles away from her. If Kelly could be there with Shepard, I don’t doubt that Kelly would have gladly joined Shepard and not shown any hesitation in being Shepard‘s partner.

Personally, I will choose to continue the romance with Kelly and regardless of what the Extended Cut may bring (Kelly’s and/or Shepard’s deaths confirmed), I will always picture them as together, alive on Earth at the end.  I figure that the EC is supposedly DLC, not an update - once I find out what is in it, if I don’t like it, I’ll just not download it or delete it and restore my head-canon to the ending. Simple as that.

As little something extra, here is a little snippet from a commission that is currently in the works. It’ll be two, slightly different pictures, but this is from the first one. I'll eventually post the full pictures whenever the artist finishes and posts them himself.

Modifié par Shadowscythe85, 26 avril 2012 - 07:25 .

[LelianaHawke]

Oh nice. If he does a good job I'll look into something like that myself.

[draken-heart]

i admit that is a nice picture

Wait is that Kelly? is she sad because Shepard is dead? or is she happy to see Shepard?

Modifié par draken-heart, 26 avril 2012 - 09:57 .

[Shadowscythe85]

The idea behind the pictures is that Kelly was searching for some time for any word on Shepard and after not hearing anything was becoming dejected and feared the worse. She then overheard some troops talking about how “The Commander” had been pulled from the rubble. She knew it had to be Shepard so she immediately went to the hospital where they said she was and after she convinced the guards that she knew her, and they recognized her from the picture Shepard had on her, they let her in. The picture itself is after Kelly rushes in and hugs the heavily bandaged-up Shepard while crying and sobbingly telling Shepard how she thought she had lost her forever and never wants to let go of her again.

The pictures more or less represents my head-canon of their joyful ending with additional ones possible [ thinking maybe some squadmates could stop by for a visit or maybe a stroll outside the hospital w/Shepard in a wheelchair (temporarily of course) ]

Also, like I said it's just a teaser from the much larger picture.

Modifié par Shadowscythe85, 26 avril 2012 - 11:20 .

[DrSpoonbender]

CHALET wrote...

Frankly, I was a little surprised Kelly got 'as much' as she did in ME3. I wish they had pulled a Chawkas with Kelly and had given us the choice to recruit Samantha (get her on the Citadel instead) or Kelly, or just get Sam if she had died during the Collector Base for instance.

That would have been ideal.  I have nothing anything against Samantha; I just enjoyed the rapport that I built up with Kelly in ME2. It would have also been nice to have Kelly along when going under all of that stress from combating the Reapers. 
 
In light of how the other ME2 characters were treated I felt lucky for what we got. 
 
I hope Kelly’s fate is clearly stated and she lives as part of this new epilogue. With all the different manners and ways that Kelly can die I would feel triumphant if I can keep her alive in the end.

Modifié par DrSpoonbender, 26 avril 2012 - 11:56 .

[Padt]

Kelly fans, I seem to be getting some conflicting info on this: does rekindling the romance with Kelly in ME3 grant you the Paramour achievement? The ME Wikia page on romance seems to indicate that it does, but I've heard from someone that it supposedly doesn't. Could any of you guys settle this for me, please? Thanks.

[draken-heart]

anyone else think they left Kelly on the Citadel so players have a reason to continue the "romance" with her (note the quotes as i think the ME2 romance was always friends w/benefits and you only to need to have done it to romance her in ME3)? As it stands right now, her, Miranda and Jack have the best chance at a happy ending.

Modifié par draken-heart, 27 avril 2012 - 04:48 .

[LelianaHawke]

Kelly grants paramour.

And I think Kelly is on the Citadel to give her more depth. I like that she has some scars from the abduction.

Would like some dates in the lush grounds of the presidium though...

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 27 avril 2012 - 04:53 .

[evisneffo]

Shadowscythe85 wrote...

*snip*

Also, like I said it's just a teaser from the much larger picture.

That sounds really sweet. I could go for that as head-canon too. :happy: It'd be great to see the picture(s) when finished.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Shadowscythe, any word on when that comic'll be done? Kelly is so woefully underlooked and under appreciated.