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[poptdp]

Gulaman wrote...

Kelly is just a fling, not a real romance. She was such a minor character, I really don't know why some people are annoyed she didn't get more exposure in the EC. Shep also bangs Diana Allers, she doesn't get a mention either. Nobody's complaining about that.

Exactly. I banged Diana allers, Kelly, and Ashley in a single mass effect 3 play through and the game still acknowledged Ashley as my LI

Modifié par poptdp, 28 juin 2012 - 01:58 .

[LelianaHawke]

Kelly had way more content than Allers across two games. Also, Samara got mention in the EC, yet you couldn't even 'bang' her, in any game. Also, you don't speak for everyone who romanced Kelly as their main interest and didn't even look at anyone else.

Also... how much would it have cost to make a special epilogue slide? Not a whole lot, judging by what was also in there. Zaeed even got a slide all to himself, and I didn't even bother buying that DLC, so the EC was not limited to 'core' characters.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 28 juin 2012 - 02:06 .

[Revan654]

Gulaman wrote...

Kelly is just a fling, not a real romance. She was such a minor character, I really don't know why some people are annoyed she didn't get more exposure in the EC. Shep also bangs Diana Allers, she doesn't get a mention either. Nobody's complaining about that.

Kelly is a Romance Option. It also Grants you the Paramour Achievement in ME3. Diana Allers is a full blown Fling unlike Kelly.

[DWH1982]

Gulaman wrote...

Kelly is just a fling, not a real romance. She was such a minor character, I really don't know why some people are annoyed she didn't get more exposure in the EC. Shep also bangs Diana Allers, she doesn't get a mention either. Nobody's complaining about that.

That depends on how you play your Shepard. Some Shepards view her as a real LI. Which, if you bothered to actually read this thread, you'd know.

But you're just in here to troll, so obviously you wouldn't.

[CHALET]

BioWare, I am disappoint...

I remember reading that BioWare post-thingy about all named characters on the Citadel (Councillors, Bailey, Kelly, etc) making it to emergency shelters when the Reapers arrived. Since a lot of the Citadel appears 'intact-ish' I think it's fair to assume she lives. One of those paintings with Bailey, Kelly & other NPCs peering out of a shelter would have done a lot for closure though.

Ah well. At least we have head canon.

On the fling argument, I always got the impression that Kelly was considered such in Mass Effect 2 (no achievement for example, like how you don't with Allers in 3), but given Shepard and Kelly's talk of "you should find somebody to think about in the war" to which s/he can offer "what if that was you?" I assume they move up to 'item' level which is why the achievement gets unlocked this time around.

Modifié par CHALET, 29 juin 2012 - 01:28 .

[Revan654]

CHALET wrote...

BioWare, I am disappoint...

I remember reading that BioWare post-thingy about all named characters on the Citadel (Councillors, Bailey, Kelly, etc) making it to emergency shelters when the Reapers arrived. Since a lot of the Citadel appears 'intact-ish' I think it's fair to assume she lives. One of those paintings with Bailey, Kelly & other NPCs peering out of a shelter would have done a lot for closure though.

Ah well. At least we have head canon.

On the fling argument, I always got the impression that Kelly was considered such in Mass Effect 2 (no achievement for example, like how you don't with Allers in 3), but given Shepard and Kelly's talk of "you should find somebody to think about in the war" to which s/he can offer "what if that was you?" I assume they move up to 'item' level which is why the achievement gets unlocked this time around.

Mass Effect 2 Achievement was for Squad only. Where Mass Effect 3 Achievement is open to any True Romance. I believe One BioWare Devs did state Kelly is Consider a Romance Option in ME2, not just a Simple Fling.

Kelly does say in ME3 " I can't wait until this War is over so we can finally be Together".  That Pretty much confirms Shepard and Kelly are in a Romantic Relationship .

[Terraforming2154]

CHALET wrote...

BioWare, I am disappoint...

I remember reading that BioWare post-thingy about all named characters on the Citadel (Councillors, Bailey, Kelly, etc) making it to emergency shelters when the Reapers arrived. Since a lot of the Citadel appears 'intact-ish' I think it's fair to assume she lives. One of those paintings with Bailey, Kelly & other NPCs peering out of a shelter would have done a lot for closure though.

That would have been great - surprised they didn't think to do that, especially since the destruction of the Citadel seemed to be one of the things that really upset a lot of people.

Sad to hear about the lack of Kelly in the EC, I was just getting ready to do another playthrough with a Shep that romanced her.

[LelianaHawke]

Well, one of the epilogue paintings did show the Citadel operational again above a restored earth, with its conduit active. So enough of its superstructure survived the destroy ending, implying that there had to be some survivors. Still, with the damage that was done to the Citadel, fully half of it got blown away, which implies Kelly's survival, even if she did make it to a shelter, was down to luck in the placement of the shelter.

...and that's not nice.

If I were missing a loved one, I wouldn't be exactly thrilled knowing they had a 50/50 chance of being in a place safe from a massive explosion.

That said, explosions are funny things in Mass Effect. I still don't know how Shepard survived getting hit by an explosion to the face when she destroyed the conduit. So maybe these are hollywood explosions that don't kill anyone and I'm just taking it all too literally.

Terraforming2154 wrote...

Sad to hear about the lack of Kelly in the EC, I was just getting ready to do another playthrough with a Shep that romanced her.

You should still do it. It's still my favourite romance in the game. The way it gets developed slowly across two games, and gives a reality check to the war - Shepard doesn't get to spend a lot of time with her until she completes her mission - is great. The EC doesn't take away from that. It's just disappointing that it got overlooked.

Maybe the person who writes Kelly wasn't really involved in the EC to push for her. I remember reading a Bioware blog post saying she was done by a non-writer.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 29 juin 2012 - 06:13 .

[Kalralahr]

Dusty Everman, Lead Level designer was the guy who wrote Kelly, Ken & Gabby, Chakwas, Gardner in ME2. I think he wrote all them again, minus Gardner, as well as Cortez.

Cortez apparently got a slide.

Interestingly enough Chakwas doesn't appear in any of the ending slides either nor does Dr Michel. It's obviously related to the Citadel. So much for some people survived huh?

[LelianaHawke]

Cortez got a slide because he was one of the core romances. He should have died on Earth, though. Annoying to have him survive after that "Steve!" scene, just to appease fans, and then Kelly and the rest of the Citadel crew being left in the dark.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 29 juin 2012 - 12:51 .

[CHALET]

It was nice to have a dropship pilot actually survive in fiction for once though.

[Demoiselle]

LelianaHawke wrote...

Cortez got a slide because he was one of the core romances. He should have died on Earth, though. Annoying to have him survive after that "Steve!" scene, just to appease fans, and then Kelly and the rest of the Citadel crew being left in the dark.

I - wai- what?

That's like saying they didn't have Miranda, Jack or Tali die whatever you did at the end of their arcs, just to appease the fans who would have been annoyed by it. Of course people would have been annoyed if a core LI died whatever right at the end of the game.

(IGNORE THE FACT THAT THEY DID KILL A MAIN LI ANYWAY. Because my heart can't take talking about Thane </3)

But onto Kelly - I want to have her in my game, but I can never work out how to get the date in the Cabin by only choosing friend options.  Although I may be wrong in thinking there's a way to do that (*grumbles* inconsistent ME wiki*grumbles*).

I wonder what happens to her if you don't do the date. Does not meeting her on the Citadel mean she was never there to start with...?

Modifié par Demoiselle, 29 juin 2012 - 08:23 .

[Revan654]

Demoiselle wrote...

LelianaHawke wrote...

Cortez got a slide because he was one of the core romances. He should have died on Earth, though. Annoying to have him survive after that "Steve!" scene, just to appease fans, and then Kelly and the rest of the Citadel crew being left in the dark.

I - wai- what?

That's like saying they didn't have Miranda, Jack or Tali die whatever you did at the end of their arcs, just to appease the fans who would have been annoyed by it. Of course people would have been annoyed if a core LI died whatever right at the end of the game.

(IGNORE THE FACT THAT THEY DID KILL A MAIN LI ANYWAY. Because my heart can't take talking about Thane </3)

But onto Kelly - I want to have her in my game, but I can never work out how to get the date in the Cabin by only choosing friend options.  Although I may be wrong in thinking there's a way to do that (*grumbles* inconsistent ME wiki*grumbles*).

I wonder what happens to her if you don't do the date. Does not meeting her on the Citadel mean she was never there to start with...?

I have done Friendship path with Kelly Many times. As long as you don't Screw up the first conversation, and pick Paragon or Middle option most of the time. The dinner option will appear after the Collector Ship.

If you never had the Dinner with Kelly in ME 2 She does not show up in Mass Effect 3.

[giftfish]

Kelly fans, check out the new Petition for ME3 Romance DLC Thread and Polls!

[Zjarcal]

Ahem, posting this as an update for my old project that added a Kelly flashback in the original ending. With the release of the EC (which sadly had no Kelly content  ), I updated my mod to include her flashback and add a new epilogue slide for her.

The project can be downloaded here:

http://social.biowar...m/project/8114/

Instructions on installation are explained there (tis more complicated than before, but still straightforward).

And if you want to see the actual scenes, you can see them here:



The video description has shortcut links to the relevant moments.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 30 juin 2012 - 07:43 .

[Darkfoxz87]

Zjarcal wrote...

Ahem, posting this as an update for my old project that added a Kelly flashback in the original ending. With the release of the EC (which sadly had no Kelly content  ), I updated my mod to include her flashback and add a new epilogue slide for her.

The project can be downloaded here:

http://social.biowar...m/project/8114/

Instructions on installation are explained there (tis more complicated than before, but still straightforward).

And if you want to see the actual scenes, you can see them here:



The video description has shortcut links to the relevant moments.

Well Done! I just wish I could get this on PS3.

[Shadowscythe85]

Zjarcal - cool slide (wish I played ME3 on the computer so I could integrate the flashback/slide), but I do have a question - where is Kelly suppose to be exactly? Is she on Earth, somewhere on the Citadel, or just some random planet?

Once I get my regular internet connection back, I plan on carpet bombing tweets to every BW representative as to why Kelly did not get a slide or even mentioned. That was pretty disappointing - was really the only thing I wanted from the EC. I still got my picture series though (which I am talking with the artist about doing them on a regular basis outside of his normal commissions that way I will be assured to have one in the works at all times).

As for the rest of the stuff - The amount of time a LI gets doesn’t determine their legitimacy. If that was the case Samara romancers wouldn’t even have a case since she was never even an option - same goes for Kasumi and Joker. Thane gets very little and then dies in 3. Just because some characters got the “fade to black” or the sex cut scene in 1 or 2 doesn’t make them any more valid of romances than any other character including ones not originally designated as possible LIs. How the player defines the relationship is what brings meaning to it - I have the story of my FemShep & Kelly’s relationship which frames it and gives events, seen and unseen, meaning beyond whether or not they just “banged” during a cut scene (for the record my FemShep and Kelly never did during the events of the games - they waited until after the war was over). Every person takes what the games give us and we work from there - the ingame content does not limit the relationships but only gives a broad canvas on which we are free to write our own stories.

[Zjarcal]

Darkfoxz87 wrote...

Well Done! I just wish I could get this on PS3.

Thanks!

And yes, I also wish console users could be able to use mods, I'm sorry guys. 

[Zjarcal]

Shadowscythe85 wrote...

Zjarcal - cool slide (wish I played ME3 on the computer so I could integrate the flashback/slide), but I do have a question - where is Kelly suppose to be exactly? Is she on Earth, somewhere on the Citadel, or just some random planet?

Don't ask me, haha, I just photoshopped the LI slide for Miranda (or Jack), and placed Kelly in there.





I assume it's Earth.

Shadowscythe85 wrote...
As for the rest of the stuff - The amount of time a LI gets doesn’t determine their legitimacy. If that was the case Samara romancers wouldn’t even have a case since she was never even an option - same goes for Kasumi and Joker. Thane gets very little and then dies in 3. Just because some characters got the “fade to black” or the sex cut scene in 1 or 2 doesn’t make them any more valid of romances than any other character including ones not originally designated as possible LIs. How the player defines the relationship is what brings meaning to it - I have the story of my FemShep & Kelly’s relationship which frames it and gives events, seen and unseen, meaning beyond whether or not they just “banged” during a cut scene (for the record my FemShep and Kelly never did during the events of the games - they waited until after the war was over). Every person takes what the games give us and we work from there - the ingame content does not limit the relationships but only gives a broad canvas on which we are free to write our own stories.

 

Agreed 100%

There is SO much more stuff that happens between Kelly and my Shep in my mind than what we see in game. Hell, in ME2 Kelly is the main reason she changes her whole outlook on life (and why I go from being almost full renegade to sort of paragade).

Romances in game are never meant to be taken as "what you see is all there is", they are there so that the players can work their imaginations with the rest. So long as nothing in game contradicts one's headcanon, it's all good.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 01 juillet 2012 - 06:30 .

[LelianaHawke]

Demoiselle wrote...

I - wai- what?

That's like saying they didn't have Miranda, Jack or Tali die whatever you did at the end of their arcs, just to appease the fans who would have been annoyed by it. Of course people would have been annoyed if a core LI died whatever right at the end of the game.

(IGNORE THE FACT THAT THEY DID KILL A MAIN LI ANYWAY. Because my heart can't take talking about Thane </3)

No Bioware said originally Steve died at that moment. He was in the script as dead. But they changed it at the end, because they didn't want to anger fans.

I'm just saying that if they're going to do that for one LI, they should do it for all. Otherwise it feels like they're OK at annoying one fanbase (Kelly), but not another (Steve). And that's not cool.

And good stuff on the slide.

Though have you considered adding Shepard in too at the end, and putting the slide after the wake up scene? Or too much work?

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:33 .

[Zjarcal]

LelianaHawke wrote...

And good stuff on the slide.

Though have you considered adding Shepard in too at the end, and putting the slide after the wake up scene? Or too much work?

Well I originally did wanted to include Shepard in the slide, but that would've been my Shepard, and I want this mod to to be appealing to anyone, so I decided against it. I could make a pair of slides with the default Female and Male Sheps, but eh, I don't see how that's any better (unless I keep Shepard's face not visible).

However... as you said, a slide with both Kelly and Shep should go after the breath scene, and I'm simply replacing cutscenes by changing their names, I have no clue how (if it's even possible) I could add an extra scene after the final one.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 04 juillet 2012 - 11:38 .

[draken-heart]

i do not hate Kelly, i just imagine that they broke up between arrival and ME3's start, and that kelly was okay with it...how i justify Shepard getting with one of the ME3 LI's and Kelly not getting mad

[giftfish]

Attention Kelly fans!

As a result of the popularity of the Romance DLC thread and polls on BSN and HTL, folks over at HTL have combined all the suggestions and made a new, more in depth survey. 

It will only take 5 minutes of your time, unless you like to make comments, and we hope to get even more responses than on the BSN polls.

Results will be analyzed, summarized into a report, and sent to Bioware.

If you want to be heard on this issue, this is the best way to do it!

Please take the survey and spread the word!!

[CHALET]

You missed Kelly off your "Romance Options".

Son, I am disappoint.

[LelianaHawke]

Yeah, wtf. Our problem is that Kelly seems to be treated as an oversight by Bioware, so I don't have much faith in that survey that mirrors the issue.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:22 .