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[Siansonea]

Ruud333 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Relapse ?  Oh cause of Beniza ?  I would say the difference is Beniza tried saving herself and Shiala was saved by the Thorian.  Beniza didn't relapse she compartmentalized her mind to keep a part of it locked away while awaiting to the chance to strike a blow.  She used that part of her mind to reassert herself to become dominate the indoctrination was still there it wasn't gone. (refer to paul grayson's exp in the book for better understanding)  She couldn't maintain this dominance and the controllers of this Indoctrination reasserted itself. 

The difference is Shiala didn't do anything the Thorian's mind control/melding or sharing overwrote the indoctrination it isn't present in her.    The indoctrination process hasn't been shown to be a dormant process so it's a reasonable to believe it would be active all the time if present. The two mental forces fighting for control of her mind would cause her to lose her sanity, at the very least the struggle would be visible.

Good points - after reading the above I can see how they would be different situations.

That said, I just watched a clip of the execution on youtube, and tbh all Shep really has to go on is her word that she is on his side, reformed etc.  Personally I think it would be really naive and a bit unrealistic just to let her go after a few minutes of conversation with someone you have just met.  There should have been a 'take her into custody option' I guess.

He also only has her word that she ever did anything bad, much less anything worthy of execution. All he knows is what she tells him, and it's not enough information upon which to base the decision to execute her.

[Seboist]

It would have been nice to have Shiala serve hard time in San Quentin as an alternative but we don't, so busting two caps in her ass it is.

[Siansonea]

Seboist wrote...

It would have been nice to have Shiala serve hard time in San Quentin as an alternative but we don't, so busting two caps in her ass it is.

For...what exactly?

[Seboist]

Siansonea II wrote...

Seboist wrote...

It would have been nice to have Shiala serve hard time in San Quentin as an alternative but we don't, so busting two caps in her ass it is.

For...what exactly?

For aiding and abetting Saren.

[ADLegend21]

Seboist wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Seboist wrote...

It would have been nice to have Shiala serve hard time in San Quentin as an alternative but we don't, so busting two caps in her ass it is.

For...what exactly?

For aiding and abetting Saren.

you mean being indoctrinated then given up to a sentient plant and being cloned against her will? yeah that totally deserves being shot.

[Siansonea]

Seboist wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Seboist wrote...

It would have been nice to have Shiala serve hard time in San Quentin as an alternative but we don't, so busting two caps in her ass it is.

For...what exactly?

For aiding and abetting Saren.

And how exactly did she do that, and what evidence are you using to base your decision upon? What specific crime is she being executed for? "Aiding and abetting Saren" is very non-specific, and in any case is not a crime that carries with it the death penalty. It's a felony, sure, but it's not a capital crime.

[Gterror]

Why it always need to be romance, why not a bromance for once?

[Agamo45]

Shiala was helping Saren to unleash the Reapers on the galaxy. Sounds like a capital offense to me.

[lietk12]

Agamo45 wrote...

Shiala was helping Saren to unleash the Reapers on the galaxy. Sounds like a capital offense to me.

Only as much as Shepard in LotSB helped Tela Vasir to target a building for bombing, to kill a bunch of people, and almost to kill Liara.

Modifié par lietk12, 16 juillet 2011 - 11:53 .

[Agamo45]

That comparison doesn't make any sense. Shiala and the rest of Benezia's followers willingly joined up with Saren. And she gave him the Cipher, possibly spelling doom for the galaxy.

[Siansonea]

Agamo45 wrote...

Shiala was helping Saren to unleash the Reapers on the galaxy. Sounds like a capital offense to me.

And how exactly did she do that? What did Shiala specifically do to "help Saren unleash the Reapers"? Hmmmm?

[Siansonea]

Agamo45 wrote...

That comparison doesn't make any sense. Shiala and the rest of Benezia's followers willingly joined up with Saren. And she gave him the Cipher, possibly spelling doom for the galaxy.

She also gave Shepard the Cipher. The difference being she gave Shepard the Cipher WILLINGLY, whereas she was under the Thorian's control when she gave it to Saren.

[Xeranx]

Siansonea II wrote...

Ruud333 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Relapse ?  Oh cause of Beniza ?  I would say the difference is Beniza tried saving herself and Shiala was saved by the Thorian.  Beniza didn't relapse she compartmentalized her mind to keep a part of it locked away while awaiting to the chance to strike a blow.  She used that part of her mind to reassert herself to become dominate the indoctrination was still there it wasn't gone. (refer to paul grayson's exp in the book for better understanding)  She couldn't maintain this dominance and the controllers of this Indoctrination reasserted itself. 

The difference is Shiala didn't do anything the Thorian's mind control/melding or sharing overwrote the indoctrination it isn't present in her.    The indoctrination process hasn't been shown to be a dormant process so it's a reasonable to believe it would be active all the time if present. The two mental forces fighting for control of her mind would cause her to lose her sanity, at the very least the struggle would be visible.

Good points - after reading the above I can see how they would be different situations.

That said, I just watched a clip of the execution on youtube, and tbh all Shep really has to go on is her word that she is on his side, reformed etc.  Personally I think it would be really naive and a bit unrealistic just to let her go after a few minutes of conversation with someone you have just met.  There should have been a 'take her into custody option' I guess.

He also only has her word that she ever did anything bad, much less anything worthy of execution. All he knows is what she tells him, and it's not enough information upon which to base the decision to execute her.

Add to that the brilliant idea of letting someone you consider dangerous close enough to you to give you ...something...and the only way to for them to do so is to interface with your mind.  I mean it's really not in the cards that this person can kill you rather than give you what they say they will. 

[InvincibleHero]

Siansonea II wrote...

This is just nonsense. Stream-of-consciousness nonsense. Faulkner's estate could sue. And you're not even talking in circles, you're talking in figure-eights. You're just so afraid of being wrong that you'll just throw out anything. Invincible hero mon oeil. <_<

And you should probably bone up on law before taking the law into your own hands in real life, because you are under some really dangerous misapprehensions. You'd kill Shiala because "she says she's guilty of something or other and who would say there guilty of something or other if they werent I mean no one would do that would they no of course not". You'd let Morinth live because Samara's hasslin' you and she's old. You'd kill Samara because "she said she'd kill me if witnessed me doing something horrible". So don't do anything horrible. How about THAT solution?

Say, Samara, I have this footage of Shepard killing an unarmed asari on Feros. Yes, see, in this sequence she's mentally downloading vital intel into Shepard's brain. Yeah, it helped him stop Saren, he couldn't have done it without her help. Oh, and see how she's kneeling in front of Shepard? See Shepard just blow her away with that douchey look on his face? Yeah, that was my reaction too. What's that? You're out of thermal clips? Here Samara, take one of mine. In fact, take two, they're small. And might I suggest Reave?

And since when is it Shepard's job to dispense some sort of douchebag cowboy justice anyhow? His job is to stop Saren, not kill every remorseful asari he meets who gives him valuable intel before kneeling before his penis gun. Killing her is just the typical young male's idea of "badasss", which is really just another word for "jackass". The option was included so those emotionally stunted individuals could get their game jollies, and for no other reason.

You asked for reasons and they are provided. If a trial was ever done everything I brought up would be pertinent. The fact is you have no direct evidence to exonerate her. Her confession and other evidence weighs more towards guilt. I don't care if you give no weight to confessions fact is they matter quite alot in today's world.

I am not Shepard nor am tasked with his duties nor powers to do so. Let's keep personal attacks out of this which you seem unable to do.

Samara is deadlyu one of the strongest biotics in the galaxy and has no compunctions about killing in cold blood. romanticize her if you wish, she is a real threat.

If Samara would be willing to murder Shepard without knowing the facts then she's an even bigger monster. Shepard would have recordings of her confession of gulit. Guess what she'd have to accept it if she didn't kill him in cold blood first.

You're way off base with that. Did you go after Saleon help Wrex recover his armor? Bit Nassana Dantius' bait hook line and sinker? Destroy two crime sydicates at Helena Blake's behest? Avenge Kahoku? Go after Sidonis? Take down Fist? Save Kolyat? Confront dirty C-sec Harkin? Help the quarian hassled by volus? I could list more and you get the picture. When hasn't Shepard been dispensing justice. Have we been playing the same games?

[InvincibleHero]

ubermensch007 wrote...

InvincibleHero, No offense meant but, I think what your saying here is kind of nuts!

By your logic, I suppose Shepard should kill Jack, for her pass misdeeds.

I suppose Shepard should have killed Dr.Okeer, for the atrocoties he committed.

And let's not leave out that shady s-it Liara did to Sekat on Illium.She's no Spectre so isn't what she did tantamount to murder in cold blood.T'Soni even confesses to Shepard that she has no remorse about it and she would do it again!

I think someone else said something like,"When the hell did Commander Shepard become Judge Dredd?!

And if Shiala is a big fat liar, like you seem to suspect.Than how do you explain the fact that after next to everyone thought Shepard was dead.For the last two years: She still is helping out the Feros colony; instead of making a run for it...

Thanks for the insult and misreading.

Shepard did not directly witness any crimes Jack did or Okeer did unlike with Shiala. It would also be stupid as Shepard needs them to handle a larger threat. Now after would be a discussion but I'll leave that as is.

Never played LOTSB so I have no comment on that.

BW could have easily went the opposite way. Metagame is useless to explain why something in the past was a bad idea. You have to segregate to only what was available at the time.

[InvincibleHero]

PMC65 wrote...

OK, not getting into the middle of the discussion, but that was funny.

I killed her once because I didn't trust her. I honestly thought that she would fight Shepard like the rachni queen ... Well, the queen got pissed but thank goobledy there was glass between her & Shepard. When Shiala got on her knees and Shepard just shot her in the back of the head ... That is the most brutal thing that I have witnessed in the game.

Everyone with Shepard should have been pissed because that was cold-blooded and merciless. It is the only time in a game that I did not save it because I would have forever HATED that Shepard. Now, if she comes back to bite my Shepard in the butt than I am afraid that she will bite him/her everytime. Because if someone would kneel down before me and leave their fate in my hands like she did, not a chance in hell would I harm that person.

Brutal. And no honor in this killing.

In ME yeah I agree it was a painful moment.

How exactly would executing someone be? It was quick and painless so humane if you thought it necessary. Yes it was hard to do and the scene pulled at heartstrings. It was very poignant but illustrated to dispense justice sometimes you need to get your hands dirty. I couldn't do that in real life unless the person killed someone I love. The fact that Shepard takes on the duty and does it to help the galaxy makes me have more respect.

Oddly the only time I redacted an action was punching al-Jilani. I think under no circumstance could that ever be justified.

[Barquiel]

InvincibleHero wrote...

You asked for reasons and they are provided. If a trial was ever done everything I brought up would be pertinent. The fact is you have no direct evidence to exonerate her. Her confession and other evidence weighs more towards guilt. I don't care if you give no weight to confessions fact is they matter quite alot in today's world.

If she had committed a crime, the alliance/colony administration on Feros, the council or the asari authorities on Illium (in ME2) would have arrested her after Shepard has spared her life. But obviously nobody in the ME universe is of the opinion that Shiala is a criminal.

[InvincibleHero]

StarMarine wrote...

 @Invinciblehero

I think it's weird that you always use the term "culpability" but you lack seeing the right meaning of this juridical term.
The only thing Benezia and Shiala are personally culpabale of is underestimating Saren - and that only from a moral point of view. Culpability is the awareness and insight that you do something unlawful at the moment of the act. You cannot blame Benezia for the attempt to stop Saren - and that was her higher and final goal - because we don't know anything about the competences an asari matriarch has - she was no mere civilian.
If you bring Batman in - the closest and fairest comparison in this matter is the fear gas in Batman Begins in relation to the indoctrination. If you were under the influence of this fear gas and your girlfriend would come to give you a hug and you would shoot her, because you saw her as some giant monster beast trying to kill you - you would not be culpable - believe it or not!

Think of Arrival: Assuming there would have been a chance of survival for Dr. Amanda Kenson and she could have been cured from the influence of indoctrination, do you think she would have been charged for attempted murder of Cmdr. Shepard??

Slowly I get the impression that killing Shiala was just an exaggerated and suboptimal attempt of Bioware to offer and demonstrate a wide palette of possible and drastic decisions. It smply doesn't fit. By shooting Shiala Shepard is making Shiala a victim for the third time. The first was Saren and the second the Thorian... 

Nope you should bone up. She was culpable for any and all crimes the moment she joined Benezia in joining the Saren crime syndicate. They knew he was corrupt and did bad things yet joined him in his endeavors. It doesn't matter if they had good intentions of which you only have their word for it.  It could be you a security guard give floor plans for a casino to some hoods for 10,000 and that's it. Now they commit the robbery and kill people. If they get you they will charge you with murder and the only way to save yourself would be cut a deal and testify against the rest.

About fear gas: If it can be proven by more than your words then yes maybe authorities would believe it. We don't know when the indoctrination or thorian control began and what Shiala did previously. barring that knowledge you can only go on what you have at the time. She confessed and felt guilty enough to offer her neck for it. That adds much weight in any court of law.

Never played Arrival so no first hand knowledge of the situtation to give an informed opinion.

I disagree it illustrated Shepard was willing to do what he needed to get the job done. Would you kill one innocent to save 10, 100, 1000, a million or more? That is the dillemma common to many other media. It is victory with cost and I think it adds to the impact of the game. I give kudos to BW for including that though I wish there was at least one more option there.

Modifié par InvincibleHero, 17 juillet 2011 - 11:47 .

[Goneaviking]

Siansonea II wrote...

And how exactly did she do that, and what evidence are you using to base your decision upon? What specific crime is she being executed for? "Aiding and abetting Saren" is very non-specific, and in any case is not a crime that carries with it the death penalty. It's a felony, sure, but it's not a capital crime.

I was tempted to off her because of the way she kept looking at me while she was giving me the cypher. That was pretty creepy.

But I couldn't go through with it, after she'd been the Thorian's mindslave I couldn't hold her responsible for what was going on, after all I'd already learned about indoctrination and it seemed like pretty low odds that anyone would willingly allow their personality to be permanently subsumed by a giant plant monster.

[whywhywhywhy]

InvincibleHero wrote...

StarMarine wrote...

 @Invinciblehero

I think it's weird that you always use the term "culpability" but you lack seeing the right meaning of this juridical term.
The only thing Benezia and Shiala are personally culpabale of is underestimating Saren - and that only from a moral point of view. Culpability is the awareness and insight that you do something unlawful at the moment of the act. You cannot blame Benezia for the attempt to stop Saren - and that was her higher and final goal - because we don't know anything about the competences an asari matriarch has - she was no mere civilian.
If you bring Batman in - the closest and fairest comparison in this matter is the fear gas in Batman Begins in relation to the indoctrination. If you were under the influence of this fear gas and your girlfriend would come to give you a hug and you would shoot her, because you saw her as some giant monster beast trying to kill you - you would not be culpable - believe it or not!

Think of Arrival: Assuming there would have been a chance of survival for Dr. Amanda Kenson and she could have been cured from the influence of indoctrination, do you think she would have been charged for attempted murder of Cmdr. Shepard??

Slowly I get the impression that killing Shiala was just an exaggerated and suboptimal attempt of Bioware to offer and demonstrate a wide palette of possible and drastic decisions. It smply doesn't fit. By shooting Shiala Shepard is making Shiala a victim for the third time. The first was Saren and the second the Thorian... 

Nope you should bone up. She was culpable for any and all crimes the moment she joined Benezia in joining the Saren crime syndicate. They knew he was corrupt and did bad things yet joined him in his endeavors. It doesn't matter if they had good intentions of which you only have their word for it.  It could be you a security guard give floor plans for a casino to some hoods for 10,000 and that's it. Now they commit the robbery and kill people. If they get you they will charge you with murder and the only way to save yourself would be cut a deal and testify against the rest.

About fear gas: If it can be proven by more than your words then yes maybe authorities would believe it. We don't know when the indoctrination or thorian control began and what Shiala did previously. barring that knowledge you can only go on what you have at the time. She confessed and felt guilty enough to offer her neck for it. That adds much weight in any court of law.

Never played Arrival so no first hand knowledge of the situtation to give an informed opinion.

I disagree it illustrated Shepard was willing to do what he needed to get the job done. Would you kill one innocent to save 10, 100, 1000, a million or more? That is the dillemma common to many other media. It is victory with cost and I think it adds to the impact of the game. I give kudos to BW for including that though I wish there was at least one more option there.

I wonder why you failed to respond to my post ?  You make assertions that are unfounded I'd like to see your proof.  If your so confident respond to my post with a point by point response.  I'm starting to think you know that your claims are wrong and your just trying to get people worked up.  Otherwise you wouldn't ignore my post and post made by others that clearly destroy your ideas, theories and position.    

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 17 juillet 2011 - 02:00 .

[JustValiant]

InvincibleHero wrote...

StarMarine wrote...

 @Invinciblehero

I think it's weird that you always use the term "culpability" but you lack seeing the right meaning of this juridical term.
The only thing Benezia and Shiala are personally culpabale of is underestimating Saren - and that only from a moral point of view. Culpability is the awareness and insight that you do something unlawful at the moment of the act. You cannot blame Benezia for the attempt to stop Saren - and that was her higher and final goal - because we don't know anything about the competences an asari matriarch has - she was no mere civilian.
If you bring Batman in - the closest and fairest comparison in this matter is the fear gas in Batman Begins in relation to the indoctrination. If you were under the influence of this fear gas and your girlfriend would come to give you a hug and you would shoot her, because you saw her as some giant monster beast trying to kill you - you would not be culpable - believe it or not!

Think of Arrival: Assuming there would have been a chance of survival for Dr. Amanda Kenson and she could have been cured from the influence of indoctrination, do you think she would have been charged for attempted murder of Cmdr. Shepard??

Slowly I get the impression that killing Shiala was just an exaggerated and suboptimal attempt of Bioware to offer and demonstrate a wide palette of possible and drastic decisions. It smply doesn't fit. By shooting Shiala Shepard is making Shiala a victim for the third time. The first was Saren and the second the Thorian... 

Nope you should bone up. She was culpable for any and all crimes the moment she joined Benezia in joining the Saren crime syndicate. They knew he was corrupt and did bad things yet joined him in his endeavors. It doesn't matter if they had good intentions of which you only have their word for it.  It could be you a security guard give floor plans for a casino to some hoods for 10,000 and that's it. Now they commit the robbery and kill people. If they get you they will charge you with murder and the only way to save yourself would be cut a deal and testify against the rest.

About fear gas: If it can be proven by more than your words then yes maybe authorities would believe it. We don't know when the indoctrination or thorian control began and what Shiala did previously. barring that knowledge you can only go on what you have at the time. She confessed and felt guilty enough to offer her neck for it. That adds much weight in any court of law.

Never played Arrival so no first hand knowledge of the situtation to give an informed opinion.

I disagree it illustrated Shepard was willing to do what he needed to get the job done. Would you kill one innocent to save 10, 100, 1000, a million or more? That is the dillemma common to many other media. It is victory with cost and I think it adds to the impact of the game. I give kudos to BW for including that though I wish there was at least one more option there.

Sigh, you start to repeat yourself - unfortunately without substantiating your arguments. Only by repeating that she is culpable this theory doesn't become less wrong. If you want to apply earthly standards in this matter - which is risky imho - you have to take some principles into account, which you don't: forseeablity, in dubio pro reo, lack of criminal responsibility.

Shiala didn't "offer her neck" out of the blue, she just didn't argue, when he "sentenced her to death"! There was no proof, he just said: "you changed sides too often". What a wise judgement of someone who was mind controlled!

You and renegade Shepard lack the proof that Shiala and Benezia joined Saren for any other reason than to stop him. In fact they didn't join him they infiltrated him!

[Siansonea]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

This is just nonsense. Stream-of-consciousness nonsense. Faulkner's estate could sue. And you're not even talking in circles, you're talking in figure-eights. You're just so afraid of being wrong that you'll just throw out anything. Invincible hero mon oeil. <_<

And you should probably bone up on law before taking the law into your own hands in real life, because you are under some really dangerous misapprehensions. You'd kill Shiala because "she says she's guilty of something or other and who would say there guilty of something or other if they werent I mean no one would do that would they no of course not". You'd let Morinth live because Samara's hasslin' you and she's old. You'd kill Samara because "she said she'd kill me if witnessed me doing something horrible". So don't do anything horrible. How about THAT solution?

Say, Samara, I have this footage of Shepard killing an unarmed asari on Feros. Yes, see, in this sequence she's mentally downloading vital intel into Shepard's brain. Yeah, it helped him stop Saren, he couldn't have done it without her help. Oh, and see how she's kneeling in front of Shepard? See Shepard just blow her away with that douchey look on his face? Yeah, that was my reaction too. What's that? You're out of thermal clips? Here Samara, take one of mine. In fact, take two, they're small. And might I suggest Reave?

And since when is it Shepard's job to dispense some sort of douchebag cowboy justice anyhow? His job is to stop Saren, not kill every remorseful asari he meets who gives him valuable intel before kneeling before his penis gun. Killing her is just the typical young male's idea of "badasss", which is really just another word for "jackass". The option was included so those emotionally stunted individuals could get their game jollies, and for no other reason.

You asked for reasons and they are provided. If a trial was ever done everything I brought up would be pertinent. The fact is you have no direct evidence to exonerate her. Her confession and other evidence weighs more towards guilt. I don't care if you give no weight to confessions fact is they matter quite alot in today's world.

Guess what, the burden of proof is on YOU to prove Shiala's guilt, not on ME to prove her innocence. Innocent until proven guilty, remember? I don't want to live in a society where I have to somehow prove my innocence of a crime, or be executed by default. And Shiala's "confession" is hardly compelling proof, considering that she didn't actually MENTION any actual CRIMES, only that she felt guilty for her actions. If you think that's good enough reason to kill somebody, I sincerely hope you don't pursue a career in law enforcement when you grow up.

I am not Shepard nor am tasked with his duties nor powers to do so. Let's keep personal attacks out of this which you seem unable to do.

Samara is deadlyu one of the strongest biotics in the galaxy and has no compunctions about killing in cold blood. romanticize her if you wish, she is a real threat.

If Samara would be willing to murder Shepard without knowing the facts then she's an even bigger monster. Shepard would have recordings of her confession of gulit. Guess what she'd have to accept it if she didn't kill him in cold blood first.

Just so you know, if someone says "hey, I did bad stuff, please kill me" it's not going to get you off the hook for shooting them in the head. "But officer, she said she was guilty of bad staff, she told me to shoot her!" Guess what, you'll still be thrown in the slammer. And how dense can you be, Samara wouldn't "murder" Shepard "without knowing the facts". Samara would confront Shepard, demand that he turn himself into the authorities, and only use deadly force if Shepard resisted.

You're way off base with that. Did you go after Saleon help Wrex recover his armor? Bit Nassana Dantius' bait hook line and sinker? Destroy two crime sydicates at Helena Blake's behest? Avenge Kahoku? Go after Sidonis? Take down Fist? Save Kolyat? Confront dirty C-sec Harkin? Help the quarian hassled by volus? I could list more and you get the picture. When hasn't Shepard been dispensing justice. Have we been playing the same games?

Those are all side quests. Technically, Shepard should stay focused on going after the Reapers. All that other stuff is favors he's doing for others, not part of his Spectre mandate. His Spectre status gives him the latitude to do these things, but Shepard isn't a Justicar, he's not charged with the mission to go forth and Right Great Wrongs.

[luzburg]

id love to se her as a squad mate. she is a asari commando so shes fully capable

[InvincibleHero]

Yezdigerd wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...Nope the colonists never willingly consorted with a criminal they were 100% innocent bystanders as I stated previously.

Yet part of the reason you cite for killing her is cooperation with the thorian which the colonists also are guilty of.

Oh you know the reason given by whom Benezia. She is a guilty party and anything she says would be suspect. Do you have any exonerating evidence there. Nope.

Really check the mass effect wiki or any source, that Benezia intentions were good-natured is canon and not up for debate. Moreover the game doesn't allow you to disbelieve Benezia, your renegade Shepard will urge her to fight of indoctrination and treat her with sympathy for her suffering no matter what you do. (I find this a weakness in the game because the game gives very little reason for you to suddenly believe Benezia.)
They made much the same decision as Shepard himself in ME2 with Cerberus,
although Benezia's people never intended to cooperate with the
terrorists over mutual goals.
You can argue that you killed Shiala out of in game ignorance but it doesn't change the fact that you were wrong to do so.

Metagaming is irrelevant. Enough rleased murderers found faith behind bars and work the rest of their life towards some sort of redemption. It does not negate what they did.

You miss the point. You were talking about her having to be punished for breaking the law. Yet do not specify which laws, and in end apparently no authority human, asari or citadel find sufficent reason to try Shiala for unspecifed crimes. presumable because there are no reason,to do so much like no specific crime is presented in the game.

Shiala had no deathwish. Her first actions were to cooperate and talk you out of killing her. She would profess nothing if she wanted to die other than I'm guilty please kill me.

Whatever dude, your Shepard obviously have telepatic ability.

That Shepard still thought she deserved to die is enough for me.

So in other words if the game gives Shepard the option to put kittens on fire it's enough for you.

As far as I am aware the colonists only crime was attacking Shepard whilst under the influence. Shiala obviously acted against the colonists and could have been previous to being under the thorian's thumb. We don't know if Saren did anything either.

Still doesn't matter. I always do Feros first because it makes sense to and it is easier to do than Noveria. Never intended to cooperate I have to take exception to that. if you join the mob and they say kill this person then you do it or your jigs up. Benezia would have to do what Saren said and obviously they committed crimes in cahoots so to speak and very likely before indoctrination since both had their minds largely intact while on Virmire we see what happens to heavily indoctrinated and it is obvious Shiala might not have even been indoctrinated just Benezia who stayed in Saren and Sovereign's presence longer.
 
I don't know why people have a problem with the fact she of sound mind confessed and was willing to accept a death sentence. To say the least if you shoplift you wouldn't accept a death sentence. The authorities don't know. The colonists likely don't know since they were breathing thorian spores. It is unlikely she told them her culpability either. Shepard certainly informed no one so how would they magically know to prosecute her. It is Shepard's dirty little secret. Given you couldn't have a trial you either condemn her or release her with no consequences. Both can be justfied as it is grey by design. BW leaves it murky and doesn't provide enough hard facts for a 100% definitive either way. You also have Miranda say in intro Shepard did everything right so BW is saying no option is wrong. However, you and Siansonea will argue the sky is red once more.
 
I don't know why people are fighting tooth and nail to say it's wrong. She is not an innocent baby which BW would never let be executed. Do you seriously think BW would let a pure innocent be killed? Not a chance. Even Joram Talid was depicted as speciest and corrupt politician before he can be killed. All the defenders are just wrong and you know it. I get liking Shiala, but this goes beyond all reason.

Umm no logic. Given much less than 1% of confessions prove to be false it is completely valid. I can argue the same. The fact the council never reprimands Shepard completely and utterly validates the decision to execute her end of story.

You were doing well until you tried a snarky insult at the end. We are not Shepard and an obvious thing needs pointed out to you and others, he is privy to knowledge we don't have. If BW included a kitten killing option I wouldn't use it because it would be stupid like punching al-Jilani but even worse, and BW would never include it to begin with.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Hey guys, does anyone have a link to Youtube vid of Shiala in ME2 in which you killed the entirety of Feros off?