Are we actually told that Shiala is the right-hand of Benezia? The way she was tossed to the Thorian makes me think that she might have just been a nametag commando, just an expendable grunt to be discarded when convenient.
IF i remember correctly she wasn´t just tossed , she was person most compatible but since it been a half year ago my memory could desert me . All of benezia followers , followed her to oblivion out of there own will or conviction that they were doing the right thing. That is what make it so sad , The motivation or reason was good , just execution was flawed and they gotten corrupted .
But it is a bit sad people don´t really care about the dialogues , just click on kill or not kill . Well in that case it doesn´t matter the implication , she could have been just a random nameless person , you killed zillions of those already .
11. As I said BW put their stamp of approval on it and said it was right.
ehm...no?
You meet her on Illium...and not during Jack's recruitment mission. Obviously Renegade Shepard is the only one who thinks she committed a crime.
I know I said I wouldn't post, but it is in a previous post. How many times did you see the intro for ME2? You know where Miranda said "Shepard did everything right". Fact is fact.
"Shepard did everything right, more than we could have hoped for. Saving the Citadel and the Council, securing humanity’s respect in the eyes of other galactic races. And still it’s not enough."
Are we actually told that Shiala is the right-hand of Benezia? The way she was tossed to the Thorian makes me think that she might have just been a nametag commando, just an expendable grunt to be discarded when convenient.
IF i remember correctly she wasn´t just tossed , she was person most compatible but since it been a half year ago my memory could desert me . All of benezia followers , followed her to oblivion out of there own will or conviction that they were doing the right thing. That is what make it so sad , The motivation or reason was good , just execution was flawed and they gotten corrupted .
But it is a bit sad people don´t really care about the dialogues , just click on kill or not kill . Well in that case it doesn´t matter the implication , she could have been just a random nameless person , you killed zillions of those already .
I never killed Shiala, just can't bring myself to kill people who've been coerced into bad acts. I don't kill those workers in Fist's bar either, yeah they were pointing guns at us but they didn't know what was going on and they're grateful to leave without a fight if you have any persuasion abilities.
The expendable part came in post-indoctrination. Saren didn't care what her name was, only that she could merge with the thorian and give him the cypher, and Benezia apparently went along with it because she was indoctrinated.
So far as I can tell any asari would have sufficed for the task since they can all mindmeld, and I can't remember any dialog that showed her as being integral to conspirators' plot. What I do remember is her telling me that she wasn't particularly remarkable.
"Shepard did everything right, more than we could have hoped for. Saving the Citadel and the Council, securing humanity’s respect in the eyes of other galactic races. And still it’s not enough."
Yeah because one action = everything. It refers to all actions in the game.
Are we actually told that Shiala is the right-hand of Benezia? The way she was tossed to the Thorian makes me think that she might have just been a nametag commando, just an expendable grunt to be discarded when convenient.
IF i remember correctly she wasn´t just tossed , she was person most compatible but since it been a half year ago my memory could desert me . All of benezia followers , followed her to oblivion out of there own will or conviction that they were doing the right thing. That is what make it so sad , The motivation or reason was good , just execution was flawed and they gotten corrupted .
But it is a bit sad people don´t really care about the dialogues , just click on kill or not kill . Well in that case it doesn´t matter the implication , she could have been just a random nameless person , you killed zillions of those already .
I never killed Shiala, just can't bring myself to kill people who've been coerced into bad acts. I don't kill those workers in Fist's bar either, yeah they were pointing guns at us but they didn't know what was going on and they're grateful to leave without a fight if you have any persuasion abilities.
The expendable part came in post-indoctrination. Saren didn't care what her name was, only that she could merge with the thorian and give him the cypher, and Benezia apparently went along with it because she was indoctrinated.
So far as I can tell any asari would have sufficed for the task since they can all mindmeld, and I can't remember any dialog that showed her as being integral to conspirators' plot. What I do remember is her telling me that she wasn't particularly remarkable.
Like said been 6 months ago , I do know she was very important in explaining the whole benezia , saren plot , and after the indoctrine has been cleansed , it was her character that shine trough , especially the way she accepted her death is very realistic . the benezia plot starts at the rachni queen and finishes with shiala . But saying that any character would suffice , sadly no it wouldn´t have suffice ... Conrad is Conrad . Shiala is Shiala , same way Aria is Aria , each of them have there own personality . To you might not seem important , But to most of us the right person at the right time is what makes the mood or change the pace , We can put a krogan there or a geth mindmeld ... who cares if the krogan or geth lives. Saren didn´t care about anyone in the end , everybody was expendable except him . Even benezia was expendable , the whole universe was . so if you view it from his point of view.
Anyway to solve this unending guessing I just youtube the scene up .
Here you go for those people who didn´t remember .
Modifié par Drake_Hound, 19 juillet 2011 - 06:50 .
@invinciblehero
Then I'll make a final thread statement as well.
1. That's completely made up bs supported by nothing.
2. indoctrination is subtle at first. By Saren's own admission the greater the indoctrination the less productive the captive.
3.Vigil says it is that when the reapers left their indoctrinated died.
4. Sheperd is sending in the reports.
5. Irrelevent to the thread.
6. If Shiala was capable of the things you claim for the reasons you claim why would she give up the Cipher. If she was guilty why not kill Sheperd with the mind meld or directly after.
7. Sheperd saw toombs get dragged under by a thresher maw I'd say that give credence to his story.
8. You are wrong. Been proven time and time again. Your making up crap to support your view.
9. Yeah because they attaked me.
10. She took remorse for her actions under indoctrination, as I said it's a judgement call and killing her is a poor one.
11. BW gave you the player a choice. One is considered renegade the other Paragon, I'll let you figure that out on your own after all you should learn something from all this.
I once wrote a little synopsis for a - perhaps - possible introduction of Shiala in ME3. What are your ideas of a hopefully reunion of Shep and our favorite green asari:wub: in the last chapter of the first Mass Effect trilogy?
11. As I said BW put their stamp of approval on it and said it was right.
ehm...no?
You meet her on Illium...and not during Jack's recruitment mission. Obviously Renegade Shepard is the only one who thinks she committed a crime.
I know I said I wouldn't post, but it is in a previous post. How many times did you see the intro for ME2? You know where Miranda said "Shepard did everything right". Fact is fact.
This is dumb, even for you. Miranda says that regardless of what Shepard did in ME1. So somehow, regardless of all the choices Shepard makes, all options lead to the "right" ones. And believe it or not, Miranda's opinion of Shepard doesn't actually support your argument. Because Miranda is a heartless b¡tch (just like me! <3 Miranda). Miranda's take is not BioWare's. She works for CERBERUS. Cerberus is eeeeevil. Do The Math.
Modifié par Siansonea II, 20 juillet 2011 - 03:32 .
"Shepard did everything right, more than we could have hoped for. Saving the Citadel and the Council, securing humanity’s respect in the eyes of other galactic races. And still it’s not enough."
Yeah because one action = everything. It refers to all actions in the game.
InvincibleHero, thanks for responding to my post on the previous page and I must say; You are showing some true grit by standing up to all these people (myself included) who are ganging up on you.
I'm not ganging up on him I would be speaking out even if the situation was reverse.
ubermensch007 wrote... Sometimes the greatest test of a persons convictions, is whether he or she is willing to stand for what they claim to believe in and hold most dear, if they stand alone.So even though I do not agree with your position.I commend you for resolve.
I'm having trouble takin invincibleHero at his word given his responses which only repeat his position rather then offer up some new insight. He is either trying to get a rise out of the community or isn't bothering to take time to read the post and only scans through them before responding.
He argues his position but when presented with a counter argument that disproves his own he asks for proof. Others and myself have provided such posts and ask him for his proof, still he chooses to regurgitate the same broad generalizations while pushing the burden of proof off on those who disagree with him. He's Ignoring and not addressing what was said, if his assertions are genuine this makes it impossible for him to:
A) Prove his point because he hasn't gone into depth and detail to explain himself based on the events within the ME universe.
Understand the counter argument and respond accordingly.(accept/reject)
Look at his latest response to my post which I had to ask for him to do after he requested I provide "proof" of my argument. I asked for a point by point response, he quoted my post and but a blob of subjective writing of which I can't even correlate what responds to a specific part of my posts. My post taken as a whole is complete but broken up to address each point he's made. He hasn't chosen to do this which stalls the debate I think that's deliberate.
His entire argument is to tell us what the character's are "thinking" or their "intentions" especially to things not witnessed.
In short he's not showing resolve in defense of his argument he's simply trying to win a agrument, he wants to feel as if he's WON rather then accept the facts and logical rationalization.
whywhywhywhy, I here what your saying but, InvincibleHero reminds me of Ahab of Moby Dick in a way. He is so fixated on this idea of killing Shiala being justifiable.If he had a theme song it would be Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers song, "I Won't Back Down"
And I must say that it feels kind of weird talking about someone as if there not here. Come back InvincibleHero, I promise that I will at least be civil. :innocent:
You know personally, I feel as though I can justify getting Ish killed on Omega and that Volus who was hopped up on Red Sand during Samara's recruitment mission.But I can't justify ever killing Shiala, so I never did.
Altough it will probably never happen... It would be soooo freaking awesome if you could have Shiala in your squad. I mean, she has the cipher in her head, she is a badass commando, her biotics play crazy, she is the most sexy asari in the Mass Effect universe aaaaand she is GREEN!
Since I played ME1 I always thought that she is a more interesting asari then Liara...
I'd love to see more of ol' She-Hulk, but I fear she'll be a Thorian Creeper next time Shepard sees her. Shepard will then be forced to kill her (paragon interrupt) or kill her (renegade interrupt) so that they can be the sole Mary-Sue-ish custodian of the Cypher in the galaxy.
Why? What's wrong with green? I think she looks better that way... xD
I dunno, I just prefer her that way. The green makes her look sickly to me.
Not to mention that at the time of ME she was the ONLY Asari that had her shade of skin color. She was entirely unique. I wouldn't mind green if they brought back the touches she had in ME. Put her clone variant next to ME2 Shiala and there's a marked difference in the color scheme.
Problem....for those of us playing on PS3.....i'm thinking they did her like Verner and Gianni and just axed them cause none of them show up in PS3 ME2.
I don't know how easy it will be, but I thought PS3 uses windows. Hopefully you guys with the PS3 version can use gibbed to alter your saves and actually get to make the choices you want.
Not to mention that at the time of ME she was the ONLY Asari that had her shade of skin color. She was entirely unique. I wouldn't mind green if they brought back the touches she had in ME. Put her clone variant next to ME2 Shiala and there's a marked difference in the color scheme.
Exactly! The ME1 version of Shiala looked way better then the ME2 version... I think they not only used a different color scheme, but also a different face and a different voice... Altough I am not sure about the last thing. It has been a while when I last played Mass Effect 1.
Nendras wrote... Exactly! The ME1 version of Shiala looked way better then the ME2 version... I think they not only used a different color scheme, but also a different face and a different voice... Altough I am not sure about the last thing. It has been a while when I last played Mass Effect 1.
Yes, voice actor is also different. And that low-res outfit was pain to see, I guess Bioware hurried when were doing that episode.
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for a - perhaps - possible introduction of Shiala in ME3. What are your ideas of a hopefully reunion of Shep and our favorite green asari:wub: in the last chapter of the first Mass Effect trilogy?
He is so fixated on this idea of killing Shiala being justifiable.If he had a theme song it would be Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers song, 
