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[Lord Forshadow]

billywaffles wrote...

Jaheira, Minsc, Edwin, Viconia, etc., can all die in BG1, yet they have really important roles in bg2-ToB. I don't see why with Shiala this would have to be different.

lol because alot of things were conveniently assumed in BG2. It dissapointed me then (not like it could've been helped, as the story wasn't planned out from the beginning like ME/DA) but my favorite characters disapearing forever would've disappointed me more.

[WorpeX]

I've never played BG, but were these characters minor ones? Cause I mean, Shiala is fairly minor. Of course characters like Garrus, Legion, Mordin will play huge roles in ME3 even though they can die in ME2 also, but minor characters? I dunno...

[Barquiel]

WorpeX wrote...

I've never played BG, but were these characters minor ones?

They were companions.


Only your main character carries over to BG2, but the other characters/choices do not (There are some "aren't you dead?" dialogue options in BG2^_^).

[MegaBadExample]

Mother always said I should eat more greens.

[JustValiant]

shumworld wrote...

I wouldn't be surprised if she's one of the best romances written for ME3.

I wish someone would  build that statement as a monument in front of Bioware's office building!:innocent:

Shiala is imho the most underestimated and - in her character's potential - underused character in the first two parts of Mass Effect.

The Cipher
As many already stated, Shiala is beside Shepard the only one who carries the entire memory of a whole prothean colony inside her mind and as an asari should be - compared to Shepard - much more capable in digesting these mountains of information. Referring to Liara the Shadow Broker was investigating the prothean legacy confident that they hold the key to overcome the reaper threat, so the Cipher could emerge as one of the key wepons against the reapers.

Indoctrination
It was also stated that Shiala is the only one who - ironically thanks to the Thorian- overcame the indoctrination with an intact mind. Considering the fact that several Cerberus members will obviously indoctrinated in ME3, she could become a bastion against the reapers influence - even more if you consider that she was appearently somehow changed through her experience with the Thorian (instable biotics, intensive dreams, etc.)

The Thorian
A much darker option could be that the Thorian used Shiala to be his legacy and the reason for her sickness or problems is some sort of mutation process, which could result in an asari with thorian mind control abilities empowerd by the asari heritage. Let's hope this leaves her personality unchanged!

Cerberus
Regardless wether because of the Cipher or her Thorian experience or her possible threat potential against the reapers, the Illusive Man could let Cerberus hunt her down, if this group's  intelligence reports could reveal her danger potential for his and the reaper's plans. This could be some plot introduction for Shiala in ME3: Caught by Cerberus for testing and interrogating and saved by her knight in white armor: Shepard. Mordin and Dr. Chakwas then could work on a cure for her problems.

Personality
Shiala has a true paragon personalty: In ME1 she was ready to die for actions she was not responsible for, she did not argue nor did she beg for her mercy. She gave up her former life only to help colonists who didn't even belong to her own species, in ME2 she suffered but did continue to help these people she feels responsible for.

Dead Shiala 
And last but not least: there might be chance to have Shiala in ME3 even if any Commander Shepard was cruel enough to shoot an unarmed and surrendering being in the head: One of the Thorian's clones could have survived and being independent now trying to find a place for her in this galaxy. Of course it could be that this Shiala could happen to be less kind to her "murderer" and cooperation could become one hell of a mission...

[Siansonea]

@StarMarine: Good points, especially the last one. I only have one "dead Shiala" savegame, it would be cool if one of the clones survived the Thorian's death, that would be a neat story idea even in a "living Shiala" savegame. What do you do when you meet a clone of yourself, especially one cooked up by a plant?

[WorpeX]

Great Ideas StarMarine! I agree, she is easily one of the most interesting characters in the series and she has a HUGE amount of potential.

[The Twilight God]

She was the only asari commando that I actually considered a threat (well, her thorian clones anyway). Far more dangerous than those mooks Benezia was glorifying.

I think some people will stay on the ship, like Kelly. Although as a character I think Shiala would be just as battle capable as Liara. I would like to have her in a couple missions where she is a computer controlled character completely outside of your control like the VS if you save the one at the AA tower and/or a "cutscene squadmate" like Liara in LotSB before she is actually in your party.

And for god's sake make her pretty again.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 21 juin 2011 - 04:44 .

[SpiderCygnus]

You really put many good reasons to have Shiala in ME3, StarMarine. Well done.

She´s a very unique asari.

[Xeranx]

SpiderCygnus wrote...

You really put many good reasons to have Shiala in ME3, StarMarine. Well done.

She´s a very unique asari.

Let's just hope Bioware also took notice.  I can't imagine they'd write anything for Shiala if they haven't already and I'm not expecting it to be substantial.  Especially since the fanbase is so small compared to others.

From where I'm sitting it looks as though Liara will be the only Asari to have a significant role in stopping the Reapers.  She'll be a cheap fling and that'll be that.

[Destroy Raiden_]

What about if people start writing dialogue between her and other members of shep and crew? Kind of like the inter part banter but focused on her with others or is that too over board?

[WorpeX]

Small fanse? Shiala's fanbase is huge! I'm pretty sure her ME3 fan thread is longer than most squaddies form ME3. XD

[rwscissors702]

I liked Shiala. Even my renegade who was having a blast capping anyone and everyone he could let her live. As intimate as the melding is (I think), I couldn't imagine killing her afterward.

[Xeranx]

WorpeX wrote...

Small fanse? Shiala's fanbase is huge! I'm pretty sure her ME3 fan thread is longer than most squaddies form ME3. XD

Not compared to the others she's not.  And according to the tweet people are talking about from Weekes: God help me if they just off Shiala.  I do not want that prissy plot-armored Liara to be the end all, be all of Asari.

[Raanz]

@StarMarine Well written and good points.

[AngelicMachinery]

If she turns out to be SUPER IMPORTANT, I'll rage as once again the renegade choice will be punished.

[Jake71887]

I love Shiala... but I think that might be just because she's green, a refreshing break from the normal Asari; and probably fixed come ME3(If she's in it) =(

[Homebound]

didnt the thorian put its baby in her or something?

[Aloren]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

If she turns out to be SUPER IMPORTANT, I'll rage as once again the renegade choice will be punished.

You never know .. maybe she will turn evil and will be uber hard to defeat... it would be a waste thought; Some renegade choices should be "rewarded" (like keeping the collector's base for example), some should have both good and bad consequences (like the rachni queen), and some should be punished (like losing the Ascension or shooting an asari who just got her freedom back in the back of the head.). 

I don't think she'll be super important though. But she has so much potential that I hope she'll at least be temp teammate and LI. And it would be a nice reward for those who kept their shepard.

[Jake71887]

Hellbound555 wrote...

didnt the thorian put its baby in her or something?

.....No? 

[AngelicMachinery]

Aloren wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

If she turns out to be SUPER IMPORTANT, I'll rage as once again the renegade choice will be punished.

You never know .. maybe she will turn evil and will be uber hard to defeat... it would be a waste thought; Some renegade choices should be "rewarded" (like keeping the collector's base for example),

It is rather obvious that us poor abused renegades are being punished for keeping the base though. 

[Saaziel]

I'd be willing to bet that the base will turn out to be an extra level , exclusive to the Renegade player. It was the right decision , in the sense; TIM just mismanaged it (Like that wasn't obvious from 100 miles away). You'll have to reclaim it , perhaps help out TIM who lost control of his Reaper-tech-enhanced Troops.

Whether that falls in the "punishment" category is up to you.

Sorry for being off topic.

Modifié par Saaziel, 23 juin 2011 - 09:29 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Saaziel wrote...

I'd be willing to bet that the base will turn out to be an extra level , exclusive to the Renegade player. It was the right decision , in the sense; TIM just mismanaged it (Like that wasn't obvious from 100 miles away). You'll have to reclaim it , perhaps help out TIM who lost control of his Reaper-tech-enhanced Troops.

Whether that falls in the "punishment" category is up to you.

Sorry for being off topic.

I expect you'll be wrong, but,  I am horribly off topic.  I'll erm allow this topic to continue with out my rambling.

[Half_Moon]

It's not exactly punishing renegade players. It's just that a lot of renegade actions involved include offing people to make sure they're not a nuisance later on. Hence those decisions usually do not facilitate additional gameplay.

However, there are ways to allow it to lead to extra gameplay for renegade players. One example would be from Dragon Age Awakenings and Nathaniel Howe. Though it was scripted, it can be easily made that you only get to meet Nathaniel if you performed a certain renegade action.

[Xeranx]

Jake71887 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

didnt the thorian put its baby in her or something?

.....No? 

The Thorian's spores are still around I believe.  The fact that Shiala's biotics are unstable lends itself to the idea that the Thorian might be able to make a come back.  Or worse, there may be more than one.