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[Criz]

dude, if you make James shirtless all the time, the shuttle will never leave the Normandy again

[Cuddlezarro]

Criz-Zone wrote...

dude, if you make James shirtless all the time, the shuttle will never leave the Normandy again

lol yes... but it needs to happen... for perviness!

[Akrim_Drak]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Criz-Zone wrote...

dude, if you make James shirtless all the time, the shuttle will never leave the Normandy again

lol yes... but it needs to happen... for perviness!

Yeah... I haven't found out where the crew appearances are yet and there's soooo much crap to go through. Probably end up letting someone else find em!

[zingro]

earovin wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

ok how did you make it so you can run around nekkid

I would also like to learn how to do this... for science.

I hope you exfoliated first, the type of oil you use on your skin is very important

[Chun Hei]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Criz-Zone wrote...

dude, if you make James shirtless all the time, the shuttle will never leave the Normandy again

lol yes... but it needs to happen... for perviness!

Put me down as another fan demanding more Vega with less clothes...



Forget the shuttle taking off. What about the shocks in the poor Mako?

[breyant]

Thanks for the mod Akrim... It was fun running around in underwear for awhile, but I had to put some clothes back on... Shepard's chest looks very odd from certain angles! haha

[Akrim_Drak]

Chun Hei wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Criz-Zone wrote...

dude, if you make James shirtless all the time, the shuttle will never leave the Normandy again

lol yes... but it needs to happen... for perviness!

Put me down as another fan demanding more Vega with less clothes...

Forget the shuttle taking off. What about the shocks in the poor Mako?

That silly artist spelled it wrong! And Vega's wearing WAY too much for that picture! The Hanar on the ingame one was nude... Just saying!

[Daashi]

Don't know if this has been said, but would like to give some info on the f/f side of things (because I know I come off as very focused on m/m).

But according to certain sources ( http://tvtropes.org/...p/Main/HomePage) Tali's romance in ME2 was suppose to be available to both male and female Shepards, but due to Tali's VA being uncomfortable with the idea the idea for Tali being female romance option was scrapped.

[Daashi]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Criz-Zone wrote...

dude, if you make James shirtless all the time, the shuttle will never leave the Normandy again

lol yes... but it needs to happen... for perviness!

Put me down as another fan demanding more Vega with less clothes...

Forget the shuttle taking off. What about the shocks in the poor Mako?

That silly artist spelled it wrong! And Vega's wearing WAY too much for that picture! The Hanar on the ingame one was nude... Just saying!

Hanar are always nude. (Just saying)

But I agree with you, girlie mags have at least semi-nudity on the front cover. So should fornax. Mankini anyone?

[Cuddlezarro]

Chun Hei wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Criz-Zone wrote...

dude, if you make James shirtless all the time, the shuttle will never leave the Normandy again

lol yes... but it needs to happen... for perviness!

Put me down as another fan demanding more Vega with less clothes...



Forget the shuttle taking off. What about the shocks in the poor Mako?

you needto make an updated issue with the new art from here

http://www.newsarama...um.php?gid=4149

[MACharlie1]

Daashi wrote...

Don't know if this has been said, but would like to give some info on the f/f side of things (because I know I come off as very focused on m/m).

But according to certain sources ( http://tvtropes.org/...p/Main/HomePage) Tali's romance in ME2 was suppose to be available to both male and female Shepards, but due to Tali's VA being uncomfortable with the idea the idea for Tali being female romance option was scrapped.

Um...what? Betting on completely false. Same deal with that rumor that back in ME1, Mark Meer (or Vanderloo) didn't want to be associated with homosexual acts. (Safe to say that the Vanderloo one was totally false...) No backing and just made up bull who is trying to rationalize why there are recordings for her. 

[goodventure]

Daashi wrote...

Don't know if this has been said, but would like to give some info on the f/f side of things (because I know I come off as very focused on m/m).

But according to certain sources ( http://tvtropes.org/...p/Main/HomePage) Tali's romance in ME2 was suppose to be available to both male and female Shepards, but due to Tali's VA being uncomfortable with the idea the idea for Tali being female romance option was scrapped.

I don't find this surprising. I learned in some film classes that the actors and actresses have to be respected at all costs and if they're uncomfortable with an aspect of the story or character, they're allowed to make suggestions to change their character, depending on how the director wants it.

But if this is actually true, then I think they scrapped it mostly because BioWare ultimately didn't want it, not because the voice actress was uncomfortable.  If they really wanted to stick to their guns and keep Tali bisexual, they would've re-cast Tali with a similiar-sounding voice actress.  I guess this just proves how low of a priority bisexuality was.

[Daashi]

goodventure wrote...

I don't find this surprising. I learned in some film classes that the actors and actresses have to be respected at all costs and if they're uncomfortable with an aspect of the story or character, they're allowed to make suggestions to change their character, depending on how the director wants it.

But if this is actually true, then I think they scrapped it mostly because BioWare ultimately didn't want it, not because the voice actress was uncomfortable.  If they really wanted to stick to their guns and keep Tali bisexual, they would've re-cast Tali with a similiar-sounding voice actress.  I guess this just proves how low of a priority bisexuality was.

I honestly don't think they could have gotten away casting another Actress as Tali. Once it gotten out that they were casting another actress the fanboys and fangirls would have raged. If the media found out she was fired because she was uncomfortable with portraying a gay/bi woman (which I honestly don't think would have happened), they would have had a bloody field day.

BTW I know the source may be a bit iffy, but this is not the first time I had come across that rumor (but the first time I took it seriously) and that was the only site that had published it and has kept it published (sites are notorious for putting stuff like this up and then removing it a day or two later).

Modifié par Daashi, 29 mars 2012 - 06:17 .

[goodventure]

Daashi wrote...

goodventure wrote...

I don't find this surprising. I learned in some film classes that the actors and actresses have to be respected at all costs and if they're uncomfortable with an aspect of the story or character, they're allowed to make suggestions to change their character, depending on how the director wants it.

But if this is actually true, then I think they scrapped it mostly because BioWare ultimately didn't want it, not because the voice actress was uncomfortable.  If they really wanted to stick to their guns and keep Tali bisexual, they would've re-cast Tali with a similiar-sounding voice actress.  I guess this just proves how low of a priority bisexuality was.

I honestly don't think they could have gotten away casting another Actress as Tali. Once it gotten out that they were casting another actress the fanboys and fangirls would have raged. If the media found out she was fired because she was uncomfortable with portraying a gay/bi woman (which I honestly don't think happened), they would have had a bloody field day.

BTW I know the source may be a bit iffy, but this is not the first time I had come across that rumor (but the first time I took it seriously) and that was the only site that had published it and has kept it published (sites are notorious for putting stuff like this up and then removing it a day or two later).

Personally I love Tali's VA and I'm glad they kept her. Casey Hudson himself said they put Tali as an LI in the first place becase of fan response, so changing the VA would be like a backstab to those fans, lol... I don't really believe she was uncomfortable either, but if it's true that's unfortunate.  If she's at PAX East someone should ask her lol.

[Knightly_BW]

Daashi wrote...

Don't know if this has been said, but would like to give some info on the f/f side of things (because I know I come off as very focused on m/m).

But according to certain sources ( http://tvtropes.org/...p/Main/HomePage) Tali's romance in ME2 was suppose to be available to both male and female Shepards, but due to Tali's VA being uncomfortable with the idea the idea for Tali being female romance option was scrapped.

Oh my! This idea doesn't sit well with me. First of all they are actors, they act so they must do what script requires to do. If that is true than that woman is not a professional actress. I understand Bioware's dilemma tho'. If they fire that woman, people (like Talimancers) would demand an answer. If Bioware would let real reason known, then those fanboys will rage to Bioware and LGBT players both. I can't even dare to dream that.

There were also rumors about Miranda planned as bi but scrapped.

For Meer/Vanderloo, it can be true. There are actors whose refuse to play gay roles in serial gay movies because according to them it would make them look gay/or people would think they are actually gay. Hollywood is the biggest BS playground in the world... if they were sure LGBT people's stories will fill their cash they even handed out Oscars to that project, however they refuse to work with LGBT people on most case or force those people to hide their sexuality because of studio profits. That hypocrisy loosened up a little in recent years (big thanks to openly gay/lesbian actors, quality LGBT movies).

Okay I better stop raging and move to slightly happier things.

I am playing Kaidan romance which is comes from ME1 romance instead of ME2 save flagged one. During hospital visit Kaidan have an extra line in this case. He mentions that girl who broke his heart. That puts Kaidan in bi position.

In both case I find that "you were always stubborn" part of Mars so entertaining. I keep giggling everytime that scene comes up.

[Criz]

trust me, a 10 minute search on YT will show that it is highly unlikely that Meer would have issues with doing dialog of gay Shepard ...

I think in case of Shepard it simply was a 'leave it in or take it out, oh noes, no time/budget left' thing;
and I don't consider the m/m Kaidan romance to be simply reused f/m Kaidan romance scene, I think and unless a dev proofs me wrong I'll stick to it, they planned it to be both and scenes were planned to work for both
at least that's how I see it, I know there are other rumours around, but unless someone from BioWare clarifies once and or all we won't know and the chances are rather slim that they'll do it *shrug*

[Knightly_BW]

Criz-Zone wrote...

trust me, a 10 minute search on YT will show that it is highly unlikely that Meer would have issues with doing dialog of gay Shepard ...

I think in case of Shepard it simply was a 'leave it in or take it out, oh noes, no time/budget left' thing;
and I don't consider the m/m Kaidan romance to be simply reused f/m Kaidan romance scene, I think and unless a dev proofs me wrong I'll stick to it, they planned it to be both and scenes were planned to work for both
at least that's how I see it, I know there are other rumours around, but unless someone from BioWare clarifies once and or all we won't know and the chances are rather slim that they'll do it *shrug*

ME3 Kaidan romance scenes also don't have much difference other than one kiss scene before moving to bed, right?

[EricHVela]

SaylorRevisited wrote...

Daashi wrote...

Don't know if this has been said, but would like to give some info on the f/f side of things (because I know I come off as very focused on m/m).

But according to certain sources ( http://tvtropes.org/...p/Main/HomePage) Tali's romance in ME2 was suppose to be available to both male and female Shepards, but due to Tali's VA being uncomfortable with the idea the idea for Tali being female romance option was scrapped.

That would be very disappointing if true, and I probably could no longer support this actress.

On the bright side, Jennifer Hale and Ali Hillis were more than happy to act out their femshepliara pairing, judging by their comments in an interview released not to far before the game came out. Jennifer in particular made a comment about "how often do you get to have a same-sex romance in a game" or something to that effect. It was a great interview.

Tali should have been available to femshep - but as it is, I think close friends is good enough for them. That biosuit is too much hassle anyway

Meh. My first guess is not so much an issue of comfort as in squeemish but an issue being unable to get into the role believably which is also classified as the role being uncomfortable without the aversion to S/S. Voice acting is hard to do because you don't get to react to anything except a piece of paper and someone else reciting stuff. If she's had no former experience acting out S/S stuff, it'll be just guesswork on her part without any cues to follow. It could easily be an uncomfortable role like that, one that she couldn't fit into.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 29 mars 2012 - 03:12 .

[zer0netgain]

Frankly, while I suppose you have to presume a Quarian could be gay/lesbian, as they live in those suits and rarely have direct physical contact with each other.  I don't know how difficult it would be to work that out.  Especially since you'd expect there'd be a social mandate to focus on procreation (not that romantic interest and reproductive mandates have to be one and the same).

Remember how that one Quarian in Illium had that "nerve stimulation program" installed?  How would that work for a male Quarian?

[shudders and wanders off to find some brain bleach]

[Criz]

zer0netgain wrote...

Especially since you'd expect there'd be a social mandate to focus on procreation (not that romantic interest and reproductive mandates have to be one and the same).

on the contraty, in ME1 Tali mentions that under certain conditions they issue a 1-child-law/rule
so they might be okey with s/s couples as they would produce no offpsring and thus not strain the flotillas resources, of course if the s/s couples would become too many to maintain a healthy population things might change, but I doubt it would get that extreme

[bas_kon]

So... now that I've played the game so many times, I'm curious about other people's headcannons for their main!Sheps' s/s romance (or loner until Steve/Sam) subplots no matter whether modded or not and the endings they made up for everyone. Here's my main!Shep's:

ME1
In ME Shepard was atracted to Kaidan for while, until he mentions Rahna, which makes him think he's straight and he forces himself (eventually succeeding by the end of the game) to see him just as a friend. There's tension between them the whole game (maybe becuse femshep's animations but it's still there) but Kaidan is clueless.

ME2
On Horizon, Kaidan experiences an explosion of feelings, speaking too emotionally and without thinking (I think they actually started preparing his relationship with Shepard for s/s romance in ME2, since his responses are way too emotional for two men who are or will always be just friends).
On the other hand, Shepard is just disappointed in Kaidan for not join him, but understands. In the months following Horizon, Kaidan starts to figure out his feelings for Shepard. And as Anderson told Shepard after he met Kaidan, he tried to help him in the distance convincing the council he was right. Shepard started a relationship with Miranda, who was just "PERFECT!", but it was something more physical than deep (at least for him). 

ME3
At the beginning of ME3, Kaidan already knowed how he felt about Shepard and reacted ackwardly when he called his name for the first time (he had like a shiver) and also smiled at him like a fool when Shepard was nice about the Major stuff (like he/Ash did with o/s Shepard after the beacon on Eden Prime).
On Mars the tension was so palpable, even Liara (former Shepard's stalker) got a little jealous (I loved the "what?" line after Liara's gaze and the fact that it's always there no matter what). After Kaidan got hurt, Shepard felt something but didn't know what it was. And everytime Kaidan asked him to go visit him he left the mission and went. One of those times he also met with Miranda, but he didn't feel the same, so he told her to focus on the war (the only option to turn her down).
Shepard's visits made Kaidan think his feeling were mutual, although he was not sure, so he started flirting as a joke. Shepard didn't take the flirting seriously (more like a teasing) and started to flirt back.
Then Kaidan asked him out and told him about his feelings. It seemed he had a speech involving what happened on Mars and stuff, but Shepard interrupted him and then he lost his line of thought and started babbling. When he managed to tell Shepard his feelings, it was all so confusing that Shepard had to ask for clarification ("you and me is that what you are saying Kaidan?" line). Kaidan answers positively and Shepard started to think out loud, as if he was alone. Then Kaidan interrupted his thoughts asking "someone?'" and Shepard clarified, that someone was him. Then they started the relationship but tried to keep it as proffesional as possible while in public, even though everyone already knew about them.

Ending:
- Shepard ended up killing the Reapers without destroying the relays and thus saving the galaxy, by entering the crucible and clicking "exit game" in the game menu. After that, he and Kaidan, took Kaidan's mother on a trip around the galaxy. When they finished, the moved to Spain (which wasn't as devastated as other countries), bought a hosue near the beach and both changed their last names to Shenko so they could live their retirement anonymously.
- Anderson and Sanders (later Sanders-Anderson) stayed in London but visited the Shenkos every summer.
- Joker and EDI moved to a house next to the Shenkos' and EDI ended up being the creepy busybody neighbor, always looking through the window and gossiping with Joker about their personal lives.
- Garrus moved to Rannoch with Tali, but kept in contact with his friends via extranet. His boss was a prime geth.
- Wex had 101 kids with Bakara (who started to wish to become sterile again) and had a very though time buying presents for everyone at christmas.
- Chackwas, founded her own free clinic.
- Sam's sex life became very busy after she became a celebrity for helping destroying the Reapers. She was proposed to star a porn movie. She didn't do it since she didn't want to take off her beloved bra.
- Vega and Cortez got drunk while in one of their parties and married one another. Also that night, Vega tattooed Steve's smiling face on his chest and "I luv u STEVEEEE!!" in his belly. They stayed together and eventually adopted one of Wex's kids to help him out.
- Grunt accepted all the breeding requests he recevied. But he regreted doing it without reading them, when he found out one of them was from the shaman from ME2. They had a good time, though.
- Liara and Miranda became a couple and had several Asari daughters, it didn't matter Miranda couldn't have children with men, since Asari's azures are magic and full of eezo.
- Zaeed disappeared, but some rumors said he started dating Aria on Omega (using his body to become the Blue Suns boss again).
- Kasumi became Jacob's lover and used cloak to hide from Mrs Taylor, everytime she stepped into the house.

[EricHVela]

bas_kon wrote...

So... now that I've played the game so many times, I'm curious about other people's headcannons for their main!Sheps' s/s romance (or loner until Steve/Sam) subplots no matter whether modded or not and the endings they made up for everyone. Here's my main!Shep's:

LOL re: aftermath of ME3

[Subject Alpha]

Hmm....
Okay XP

ME1
Shepard had a bit of a crush on Joker, alway smade time to go up to the cockpit to talk to him, asked how he was etc.. Kaidan only survived Virmire because he was biotic, like Shepard, and therefore more valuable to the alliance than a soldier (sorry Ash fans! I love her character ). Joker obviously remained oblivious to all this.
ME2
Went to save Joker without a second thought, dying in the process. Became colder towards him because of his lack of apology and seemingly not caring for Shepard's death. Became more renegade as a result. Hated Cerberus and everyone in it, acted civil to his crew at best. grew closer to them eventually, such as Miranda, Kelly, the engineers... screwed over TIM at the end because he assumed since Reapers can control Reaper tech, they would with anything from the base. Helped Liara with Shadow Broker and wanted to kill Archer at the end of Overlord, destroyed Alpha Relay out of neccesity, feels no remorse about it.
ME3
Obvioulsy p***ed off at being grounded and taken away from his ship, oddly satisfied when Reapers finally arrived. Didn't like James at first, grew to tolerate him, respected Kaidan immensley and held nothing against him from Horizon. Was mildly annoyed at the fact he didn't trust him though. Glad to be back with the alliance, was friendly with most of the crew, saw Joker as a friend now, so actively encouraged relationship with EDI. Connected well with Steve, but didn't want to take advantage of him while he was grieving about his husband. Only when he was completely convinced Steve had moved on, Shepard made a pass at him, and was more than happy when Steve returned it. Made peace between Quarians and Geth, but if he had to amke a choice, he would have chosen the Geth in an instant, really liked Legion, insisted on calling him "him" instead of "it".
Beat the ME3 ending by shooting the star child in the head. With pleasure.

[Frozen83]

bas_kon wrote...

When they finished, the moved to Spain (which wasn't as devastated as other countries)

Great idea, made me laugh... Really nice, but, why Spain ?

Also, since I don't have the stomach to go through the game again at this point, will write something like you here, and then you can decide if it is good of crap...

ME1
Shep met Joker, Kaidan and soon also Ash... Shep thought Kaidan was cute, but didn't say anything, they were having some serious issues with the geth at that point. The mission got complicated so they went to the Citadel. After finding out Saren is a traitor and getting to know Garrus, Wrex and Tali, they all went to look for Liara (since that was their best lead). Soon it was obvious both Ash and Liara had a thing for Shepard, but he quickly told them that he wasn't interested and that he thinks of them only as friends. He was there for Liara after Benezia died and they became good friends, always looking out for eachother. Kaidan told him about Rhana, so Shepard figured he was str8. They became very good friends eventually. Shep's and Wrex's friendship really got tested on Virmire, but they managed to keep focus. The mission progressed well, but the events eventually forced Shepard to choose between Ash and Kaidan. He considered both of them good frends, but eventually chose Kiadan, as he was a senior officer and Shepard thought he would be more important to the mission. After a while he had some doubts wether the choice was really rational or because he still felt more about Kaidan then just friendship. In the end, Liara and Garrus followed him on Ilos and saved the galaxy...

ME2
Shep was angry that he was forced to work for Cerberus. Fortunately, he soon met Garrus again which helped him in a frustrating situation. On Horizon he met Kaidan again, but it din't go well. He understood his position, but was still feeling sad that his old friend simply dissmised him. After some time he met Liara on Illium and helped her with her bussines, eventually putting her in a SB position. He also helped Miranda with her sister, and found a very good friend in her. He was glad he met Tali again and heleped her with her situation with the Fleet. He tried to convince the admirals to awoid the war with the geth, but it didn't go as planned. He felt very lonely at times, but found comfort in his talks with Samara. He wanted to ensure his crew was ready for the fight but something was missing. In the end Miranda and Grunt helped him destroy the unfinished Reaper and he eventually returned the ship to he Alliance...

ME3
After leaving the Earth, Shepard, Kaidan and James went to Mars. He met Liara there, but was frustrated with Kaidan. He felt that their friendship was roined because of his time with Cerberus. Still, when Kaidan was wounded, he couldn't abandon him and visited him in hospital. One time, however, he went to the shuttle bay and saw Steve crying. He tried to comfort him, but it didn't seem to work. The only one who could understand him were Liara and Garrus. However, he found himself talking a lot with Steve, trying to help him get over his pain. He remembered Ash and knew that he has to let go and stop beating himself about it. Kaidan was getting better and it seemed like their friendship was also going in the right direction. But there was something more about Steve. He just met him, but felt a connection. He didn't want to push him into anything and thought a friend is what Steve needs right now. He was very surprized when Steve invited him out. They had a few drinks, danced a little and then it just happend. A kiss and a night of passion. It felt good and it felt right. Steve became more and more important to him and he felt that the war needs to end soon. When he saw Thessia destroyed, it broke his heart seing his good friend in so much pain. He bacame angry at the Reapers and Cerberus. In the end he reached the Earth. Too many friends lost, Ash, Mordin, Thane, Legion... When Steve's shuttle was hit, his heart stopped. He didn't want to loose someone who became very important. Someone he loved. Reapers need to die, now he though. So he went with EDI and Javik to the final mission.

He shot the stupid brat in the head, plugged in the OCD from ME1 he recieved from Vigil and shut down the Reapers. The combined fleets didn't have much trouble in destroying them. A shuttle picked him and Anderson from the Citadel and returned them back to Earth. Anderson was wounded, but survived. Shepard was searching for Steve, and finally he found him and James by the shuttle. James saluted him, but it didn't matter to him. He embraced and kissed Steve; that was all that mettered right now.

Steve and Shepard married and moved to Citadel (which was towed back to Serpent nebula). Shepard was offered a position on the council, but declined. Steve and Shepard live a peaceful life there. Shepard's dancing improved since.

Liara returned to Thessia to help rebuild. Kaidan followed her and they bacame a couple and had twins. Uncles Steve and Shepard wisit them often.

Garrus and Tali moved to Rannoch. Garrus bacame turian ambassador, and Tali is coordinating new quarian govenment. There are some tensions between them and the geth, but all in all, things are okay. After a few years, Tali was finally able to remove her mask for good.

James got promoted and is in command of the Alliance ships guarding the Citadel. He became involved with dr. Michel eventually.

EDI and Joker settled down on Earth. They are both employed by the Alliance as flight instructors. EDI programmed a virtual reality simulation for students and named it Kobayashi Maru based on Shepard's mission through Omega 4 relay. Even Joker isn't able to pass this test.

Javik decided to explore the galaxy. He's last message to Shepard was from Ilos...

Anderson and Kahlee were reunited finally. They are in London, coordinating the repair and rebuild.

Miranda and Oriana stayed on Earth as well. Alliance offered a job to MIranda which she accepted. She is dating Major Coats. Oriana lives with them.

Jacob and Brynn had a daughter a couple of months after the battle for Earth. They didn't name her Shepard. Jacob returned to the Alliance, and dr. Cole accepted a position as a professor on a university.

Grunt returned to Tuchanka; he is in the female camp at the moment.

Wrex and Bakara are back on Tuchanka as well. Although Wrex is a clan leader, Bakara is the real power behind the throne. She opened a negotiations with the salarians and the two govenments have exchanged ambassadors since.

Jack returned to Grissom academy to teach a new generation of biotics. Kasumi joined her after a while. A statue of David can be seen in the atrium.

Zaeed is back on Omega as Aria's second in command. Vido is alive and dances for Aria in a cage. Zaeed gun is loaded with incediaries just in case.

Samara was reuinted with Falere. They abandoned the monastery and went to Omega to help the people there.

Jeez, a ****load of text... Don't mind the spelling and grammar mistakes . M.