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[Terrorize69]

Abispa wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

My thing is if u could as Kaiden why not ash as well that would have been great for my femshep hope this gets fixed cause that wasn't cool also Miri and tali as well cause that was the perfect chose for my other femshep bit alas no hope this gets fixed but I'm not counting on it these 3 are the only one I hooked up with in 3games with manshep but not femshep why please fix this

Ditto too all 3, but none more so then Tali.

Tali actually trys to start a romance with Femshep in ME2, the same way she does with Maleshep. It's Femshep that doesn't pick up on it. Dispointed in you Naomi you'd of made the perfect couple

TalixFemshep

Try reading the Tali files at the Shadow Broker ship. They're there even if you're playing female Shepard. Poor lonely Tali even purchased an upgrade...

Don't think I ever did the Shaodw Broker DLC with femshep lol, will do on this latest playthrough, what do they say?

[Abispa]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Don't think I ever did the Shaodw Broker DLC with femshep lol, will do on this latest playthrough, what do they say?

It's the same as in the male Shepard play through. She researches humans and human sexuality, stops to run her stimulation program, deletes program, researches something else, then back to humans and human sexualtiy, reinstalls stimulation program, deletes program, repeat several times, eventually purchases an upgrade to her stimulation program. And since (in female Shepard's game), Shepard is the only person she's ever wanted to link suits with...

[Terrorize69]

Abispa wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Don't think I ever did the Shaodw Broker DLC with femshep lol, will do on this latest playthrough, what do they say?

It's the same as in the male Shepard play through. She researches humans and human sexuality, stops to run her stimulation program, deletes program, researches something else, then back to humans and human sexualtiy, reinstalls stimulation program, deletes program, repeat several times, eventually purchases an upgrade to her stimulation program. And since (in female Shepard's game), Shepard is the only person she's ever wanted to link suits with...

Thanks alot for this info I've found lots of evidence already to support Tali is "bi", and this surely adds to it lol

Question, when I show this to those Talimancers that are so blind in their views that Tali could be (is) bi, do you wana be credited for the info or left outta it

[Abispa]

Sadly, the "official" Talimancer won, as Tali NEVER explores a romance with female Shepard, and neither does Garrus with male Shepard. Not MY thing, mind you, but I see no reason why Bioware can't allow s/s fans to have their romances when they don't affect mine in the slightest. I would only complained if Tali suddenly became Isabela or Garrus became Zevran with the saucy banter.

But obviously saucy banter in ME is allowed only to annoying crewmen and the occasional Asari badass.

[Terrorize69]

Zevran... *Shudder* lol

From what I gather from Femsheps and Talis chat on ME2, although its been awhile since I've seen it for myself (not for much longer Naomi Shepard, the renegade bi adept lol) Tali makes the same passes at Femshep as she does on Maleshep. But it's Femshep that doesn't pick up or acknowledge them, so outta the 2, it's femshep that decides not to explore a romance with Tali. Tali seems more then up for it, and why wouldn't she be lol, if she's willing to cross the species barrier, then s/s is no prob.

[Abispa]

I got a feeling that several female characters, Tali, Samara, and Jack, were up for s/s romances until some awkward cut-off point. My conspiracy theory, which can NEVER be proven, is that somewhere in development the ME team decided NOT to implement a handful of HAWT lesbian romances since there were no gay male options and they didn't want to be called out on hypocrisy.

Thus female Shepard can't initiate a romance with Tali, Samara shuts her down after expressing approval of her earlier romantic inquiries, and Jack says she's not a "girls' club" woman after describing her bisexual past.

Most s/s fans don't mind the guys getting their HAWT lesbian romances so long as they have some emotional depth and they don't try to stop all the "icky" gay male ones.

[Terrorize69]

Abispa wrote...

I got a feeling that several female characters, Tali, Samara, and Jack, were up for s/s romances until some awkward cut-off point. My conspiracy theory, which can NEVER be proven, is that somewhere in development the ME team decided NOT to implement a handful of HAWT lesbian romances since there were no gay male options and they didn't want to be called out on hypocrisy.

Thus female Shepard can't initiate a romance with Tali, Samara shuts her down after expressing approval of her earlier romantic inquiries, and Jack says she's not a "girls' club" woman after describing her bisexual past.

Most s/s fans don't mind the guys getting their HAWT lesbian romances so long as they have some emotional depth and they don't try to stop all the "icky" gay male ones.

This is actually a very good theroy, in ME2 most the males were very hetro. I don't think any were on the sidelines, alot of the females could of easily been, some (likes jack and tali) heavily hint at an intrest in S/S.

Maybe they saw how all the ME2 males "seemed" hetro and decided to add some not so hetro ones in ME3, that would them allow them to proceed with their female s/s.

[Beep Il]

Am I the only one who understood Jack's "If you are talking about a boyfriend or a girlfriend, don't bother" (or something like that) completely differently? I've always thought that she says that just because she knows that Shep doesn't know her sexual orientation. She basically just answered to Shep's question and that alone doesn't mean she is a bi.

This is just how I comprehend the situation and I don't have any problems with lesbians.

[Terrorize69]

Beep Il wrote...

Am I the only one who understood Jack's "If you are talking about a boyfriend or a girlfriend, don't bother" (or something like that) completely differently? I've always thought that she says that just because she knows that Shep doesn't know her sexual orientation. She basically just answered to Shep's question and that alone doesn't mean she is a bi.

This is just how I comprehend the situation and I don't have any problems with lesbians.

I think its more the comment about her sleeping with a girl and a guy. Can't remember the line, but it's one of the first things she tells you about herself.

[Beep Il]

I thought that the man and the woman were just her pseudo-friends, no romance/sex involved.

[MACharlie1]

Beep Il wrote...

I thought that the man and the woman were just her pseudo-friends, no romance/sex involved.

"Thought they were going to help me....right. Help me into their bed!" 

[Abispa]

"If you're talking about a boyfriend, or a girlfriend, forget it. That never works. You let someone get that close, it just means they need a shorter knife."

That sounds more like a desire to not have her heart broken, not to stating a sexual preference. The only clear statement of sexuality on her part, IMHO, is her girls' club comment (which some people on this thread argue against me). But that comes after a lot of chatter that is identical for both male and female Shepard, and I consider it a last minute cut off stuck in the game to "explain" her lack of s/s status.

Some have said it is significant that she names her past female lover, Manara, but never gives the name of her boyfriend.

Modifié par Abispa, 09 juin 2012 - 08:47 .

[MACharlie1]

Abispa wrote...

"If you're talking about a boyfriend, or a girlfriend, forget it. That never works. You let someone get that close, it just means they need a shorter knife."

That sounds more like a desire to not have her heart broken, not to stating a sexual preference. The only clear statement of sexuality on her part, IMHO, is her girls' club comment (which some people on this thread argue against me). But that comes after a lot of chatter that is identical for both male and female Shepard, and I consider it a last minute cut off stuck in the game to "explain" her lack of s/s status.

Some have said it is significant that she names her past female lover, Manara, but never gives the name of her boyfriend.

I'm sorry but I still have never heard girls club be used in a sexual way - only in the "BFF, boys have cooties - lets gossip" sort of way. 

[Abispa]

MACharlie1 wrote...

I'm sorry but I still have never heard girls club be used in a sexual way - only in the "BFF, boys have cooties - lets gossip" sort of way. 

I'm all for a bi Jack, but I believe my interpretation of this last minute shut off valve is the "correct" one. Not the "fair" or "good" one. It is at THAT point that she cuts female Shepard off and continues developing a relationship with male Shepard for the sole purpose of getting the epic dry humping scene before the suicide mission.

[Beep Il]

OK, you all made your point and I thought that I'd remember Jack's convos better.

Still, I'm not convinced enough to believe she has any interest in femShep or any woman. I'm cautiously dubious.

[Terrorize69]

Beep Il wrote...

OK, you all made your point and I thought that I'd remember Jack's convos better.

Still, I'm not convinced enough to believe she has any interest in femShep or any woman. I'm cautiously dubious.

It's so obvious that Jack and Mir were hot for each other

[Beep Il]

Terrorize69 wrote...

It's so obvious that Jack and Mir were hot for each other

Lol!

I have to agree.

[Abispa]

Beep Il wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

It's so obvious that Jack and Mir were hot for each other

Lol!

I have to agree.

Modifié par Abispa, 09 juin 2012 - 09:18 .

[Terrorize69]

Abispa wrote...

Beep Il wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

It's so obvious that Jack and Mir were hot for each other

Lol!

I have to agree.

Lol epic. Can see how they got there..

Miranda: "I hate you Jack!" *Biotic throw*

Jack: "I hate you too Cerberus cheerleader!" *Shockwave*

(10mins later, angry make out sesh)

Edit: For those wishing you could mance Ash with femshep..

Modifié par Terrorize69, 09 juin 2012 - 09:29 .

[darthoptimus003]

not the same but intristing
but tali started it in 2 she should have been in 3 as well as ash
like i said if kaiden was one why not ash femshep gets screwed and not in the good way imho

[Quething]

Tiberis wrote...

I apologize if my statement was insulting. I will clarify that I was speaking for myself. I was going off what I've read and heard. I haven't played any DA games so I cannot say for certain. However, this one-character ultimate love arc irritates me. That means unless you romance that one character you are ultimately shafted. There should be equal treatment of all of the LIs. Little things like Kelly or Allers is fine, they are meant to be cheesy. But the real LI should all have equally appealling and interesting stories rich in content.

I wasn't insulted, per se, and I apologize for snapping. I'm just incredibly sick of the argument that DA2's "all bi" system was unrealistic or bad. Nobody who makes it actually cares about realism. If they did, why aren't they bothered by Tali dating a pro-geth Shepard, or Liara falling for a hardline renedouche? Why doesn't it bother them that Sebastian and Fenris can fall in love with a mage Hawke or that Izzy will go for a boring goody-two shoes she complains about constantly? "Four bi people in the same circle of friends is unrealistic and immersion-breaking!" is just a pretty way of saying "I don't want gay cooties on the character I romance."

DA2 worked just fine. It was an elegant way to save resources, allowing every love interest to be well-developed and allowing men and women, queer and straight players alike to all have access to a plot-important, strong and well-written romance. If someone objects to that, they either have no understanding of the complexities of game design, or they don't think queer people deserve as much choice as straight ones. Either way the argument is simply wrong, and it bugs me that it's such a convenient way for people to claim that they're worried about character fidelity and helping us poor queers get the representation we deserve, when that's basically the complete opposite of what the DA:O or Mass Effect method actually does.

Abispa wrote...

I'm all for a bi Jack, but I believe my interpretation of this last minute shut off valve is the "correct" one. Not the "fair" or "good" one. It is at THAT point that she cuts female Shepard off and continues developing a relationship with male Shepard for the sole purpose of getting the epic dry humping scene before the suicide mission.

Oh are we having this debate again?

The fact that that's where the male Shep conversation goes to a relationship is utterly meaningless. Or is Tali suddenly not all up in femShep's jock just because femShep doesn't pick up on the linking suits flirt?

The entire game long, femShep pesters Jack about opening up and sharing her feelings. Jack finally lays down the line and is like "FINE GODDAMNIT I LIKE YOU OKAY, I ADMIT YOU'RE MY FRIEND. NOW STOP ASKING ME HOW I FEEL ABOUT STUFF." It cannot be read as a dismissal of any potential attraction on femShep's part because neither of them have even hinted at that even once, anywhere else in their entire conversation tree. It makes no sense for Jack to feel she needs to shut down a possibility that has never once come up.

And if she were worried about it, it would have come up; she's more than quick to flat-out accuse dudeShep of wanting in her pants. If she ever thought that femShep might too she'd be just as straightfoward in accusing her.

.... and wow, I'm really kind of in an argumentative and touchy mood today, huh? sorry about that... 

Modifié par Quething, 10 juin 2012 - 01:52 .

[devSin]

Quething wrote...

I wasn't insulted, per se, and I apologize for snapping. I'm just incredibly sick of the argument that DA2's "all bi" system was unrealistic or bad. Nobody who makes it actually cares about realism. If they did, why aren't they bothered by Tali dating a pro-geth Shepard, or Liara falling for a hardline renedouche? Why doesn't it bother them that Sebastian and Fenris can fall in love with a mage Hawke or that Izzy will go for a boring goody-two shoes she complains about constantly? "Four bi people in the same circle of friends is unrealistic and immersion-breaking!" is just a pretty way of saying "I don't want gay cooties on the character I romance."

DA2 worked just fine. It was an elegant way to save resources, allowing every love interest to be well-developed and allowing men and women, queer and straight players alike to all have access to a plot-important, strong and well-written romance. If someone objects to that, they either have no understanding of the complexities of game design, or they don't think queer people deserve as much choice as straight ones. Either way the argument is simply wrong, and it bugs me that it's such a convenient way for people to claim that they're worried about character fidelity and helpingus poor queers get the representation we deserve, when that's basically the complete opposite of what the DA:O or Mass Effect method actually does.

Thanks for saying this.

The argument going on over there (yet again) just reminds me that this crap is never going to go away.

DA2 did this better than any other BioWare game before or since. I personally hope they continue with the same approach in the future.

Modifié par devSin, 10 juin 2012 - 02:10 .

[Abispa]

Quething wrote...

Abispa wrote...

I'm all for a bi Jack, but I believe my interpretation of this last minute shut off valve is the "correct" one. Not the "fair" or "good" one. It is at THAT point that she cuts female Shepard off and continues developing a relationship with male Shepard for the sole purpose of getting the epic dry humping scene before the suicide mission.

Oh are we having this debate again?

Not debating. Just stating my opinion. I already know how most of this thread's regulars feel. -- Abispa.


The fact that that's where the male Shep conversation goes to a relationship is utterly meaningless. Or is Tali suddenly not all up in femShep's jock just because femShep doesn't pick up on the linking suits flirt?

The entire game long, femShep pesters Jack about opening up and sharing her feelings. Jack finally lays down the line and is like "FINE GODDAMNIT I LIKE YOU OKAY, I ADMIT YOU'RE MY FRIEND. NOW STOP ASKING ME HOW I FEEL ABOUT STUFF." It cannot be read as a dismissal of any potential attraction on femShep's part because neither of them have even hinted at that even once, anywhere else in their entire conversation tree. It makes no sense for Jack to feel she needs to shut down a possibility that has never once come up.

And if she were worried about it, it would have come up; she's more than quick to flat-out accuse dudeShep of wanting in her pants. If she ever thought that femShep might too she'd be just as straightfoward in accusing her.

In the real world, you'd be completely right. But I was commenting on game play mechanics. Immediately after the "girls' club" line Bioware effectively removes ANY possibility for a s/s relationship with a woman who had been bisexual in ME lore. I still think it was a clumsy band aid to cover up a last minute cut in s/s content, but I admit that I could be wrong. -- Abispa.
:innocent:

.... and wow, I'm really kind of in an argumentative and touchy mood today, huh? sorry about that... 

Too late. I am horribly offended and have sworn revenge. -- Abispa.

[ElitePinecone]

devSin wrote...

DA2 did this better than any other BioWare game before or since. I personally hope they continue with the same approach in the future.

It's currently being debated over at the DA2 forums and David Gaider et al have said multiple times that they're not going to cut s/s romances just because some people are screaming about it.

Also, given the resources they have it'd be nearly impossible to justify making one or two characters for each orientation, so it looks like they'll continue with having multiple characters available for both genders. Though I hardly think the people arguing for that option had the interests of s/s players in mind. 

(He put it nicely, I'm paraphrasing: if the argument is about 'realism' versus giving players who are historically under-catered for in the industry more options, they're always going to pick the latter. Realism is not their primary concern when dealing with the romances.)

[devSin]

I know. I was over there earlier, and that's the argument I was referring to ("going on over there" was intended to be more obvious as "over in the DA2 forums"). :-)

I'm not fearful of what Mike and David will do, but they've said in the past that doesn't necessarily mean they will provide only inclusive romance options. I had absolutely no problem with the system used in DA2, though, and I would like to see them continue to use it (rather than them having some inclusive options and other exclusive options, like Origins).

Modifié par devSin, 10 juin 2012 - 08:48 .