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[Dhiro]

I support s/s Kaidan simply because I already like him. I don't know Vega, I have no idea about the type of person he is, only that he has a lot of muscles - I also don't know why people in BSN keep saying that he's on steroids. If he's not freakishly muscular, I'm all for a well-builded body.

Anyway, a s/s Kaidan is so... comfortable. We already know how he is. Of course, if Vega is a likeable character that won't matter at all.

[Abispa]

ArawnNox wrote...

To a MaleShep:
"Commander, am I reading this right? You're requesting maternity leave?"

MORDIN: For the love of Ashley's God, make sure you have a cesarean!

WREX: Hey, [male] Shepard, nice teats!

[SennenScale]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...

Too an Asari...there is no such thing as male....but we see it from our own human perspective....because we aren't Asari.

Which is why they call themselves sister, mother, daughter, instead of sibling, parent, child.  Yes, I see your point.

I suppose whether Asari are female depends on whether we consider female to only be meaningful if there is something to compare it to. I hold that Asari are female regardless of whether they have males or the idea of gender.

[VirtualStranger]

SennenScale wrote...

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...

Too an Asari...there is no such thing as male....but we see it from our own human perspective....because we aren't Asari.

Which is why they call themselves sister, mother, daughter, instead of sibling, parent, child.  Yes, I see your point

I suppose whether Asari are female depends on whether we consider female to only be meaningful if there is something to compare it to. I hold that Asari are female regardless of whether they have males or the idea of gender.

Their actual sex is irrelevant to the subject of a relationship with a human. They look, act, and sound like a human female in almost every way. Any human woman who is attracted to an asari is so because they are attracted to other women. Therefore, it is same-sex relationship.

Modifié par VirtualStranger, 27 juin 2011 - 01:38 .

[SennenScale]

VirtualStranger wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

I suppose whether Asari are female depends on whether we consider female to only be meaningful if there is something to compare it to. I hold that Asari are female regardless of whether they have males or the idea of gender.

Their actual sex is irrelevant to the subject of a relationship with a human. They look, act, and sound female in every way. Any human woman who is attracted to an asari is so because they are also attracted to human women. Therefore, it is same-sex relationship.

Ah, make no mistake, I agree with you and have argued exactly that in past posts. While people may make excuses that an Asari is a bi LI or not, Shepard definitely attracted to women if a Femshep likes Asari.

[Ryzaki]

Asari don't have male terms in their language (thus Aria's little partriarch joke). I'm pretty sure they're considered females by the galaxy at large seeing as they only have female terms (and not say unisex ones) and don't have alternatives for the male ones.

[Blacklash93]

IsaacShep wrote...
Read the info here. Based on 2 independent reports of what he said, it seems rather clear he doesn't assume anything and actually is fully aware of BW having to make the s/s romance for Kaidan make sense which he says they did.

I wouldn't take that part of a sloppily written tweet at face-value. I'm not even exactly sure what it means.

He could have meant:

He said Bioware wrote it into the game, that it is possible, and that he likes that they did that.

Instead of:

he said bioware wrote it into the game that it is possible and that he likes that they did that

Instead of saying "Bioware wrote it into the game so it is possible." he may have meant two seperate things.  "It's written into the game" and "It's possible". The commas make all the difference.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 27 juin 2011 - 01:58 .

[Siansonea]

Asari are female. That is all. You can't make new asari without all the stuff that comes along with being a female organism. Because an asari can conceive through all sorts of methods, including with aliens of any gender, they are not hermaphrodites, pseudohermaphrodites or "asexual". Asari reproduce through sexual reproduction, they just don't require an entire subtype, i.e. a "male", for their form of sexual reproduction. This is a long-debated issue, and for the purposes of this thread, a settled one.

[shepskisaac]

Blacklash93 wrote...
I wouldn't take that sloppily written tweet to heart.

He could have meant:

He said Bioware wrote it into the game, that it is possible, and that he likes that they did that.

And if he meant this version, then it still means it's already written, that you totally can have s/s romance, that yes they've implemented it. Obviously, we're all disecting a recount of the words and not direct quote, but both sources who were at the panel (the podcaster and MarqueAZ) stated that he explictly confirmed s/s romance for Kaidan.

Now, if it's possible Raphael could be mistaken himself? Yes, everything's possible. But what are the chances? Incredibly small IMO. He works with BW, he's already recording the lines, there are always top devs at the recording sessions instructing the VAs and explaining the context to them. How likely it is that he could be mistaken? He works closely with BW. If it was just his assumption, he obviously would've already asked the dev team whether the lines mean what he thinks he mean or not. If his assumption was wrong, BW would surely correct him on that by now.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 27 juin 2011 - 01:56 .

[Ryzaki]

Ugh DP 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 juin 2011 - 02:03 .

[Ryzaki]

Doesn't mean he'd tell us when they corrected him. Everyone else had a NDA. Why on earth is he allowed to say something? Probably for the same reason as Howden. He's mistaken.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 juin 2011 - 02:07 .

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...

Doesn't mean he'd tell us when they corrected him. Everyone else had a NDA. Why on earth is he allowed to say something?

So they corrected him and he still went on to confirm Kaidan actually will be available for mShep? Makes no sense. What's more likely, that he's lying (without any purpouse) or simply spilled the beans, like many many people did in the past.

[Ryzaki]

Or he's mistaken and they reminded him of his NDA so he can't correct himself.

[Blacklash93]

I hope you're right. I want it to be Kaiden as well. However, unless we can get a direct quote instead of some clumsy paraphrasing, I'm not convinced. All we know for sure is that Kaidan's VA is recording M/M dialogue. I'm not taking some podcast's word for it as they could easily be jumping to conclusions.

*sigh* It's gonna be a long 8+ months...

Modifié par Blacklash93, 27 juin 2011 - 02:25 .

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...
Or he's mistaken and they reminded him of his NDA so he can't correct himself.

When exactly would he have a chance to correct himself at all? He wasn't there at the Expo with BioWare PR people watching his every word, he was there alone as a guest of the Expo and panelist.

As for being mistaken yeah. I think it's rather hard to be mistaken in case of a male-male romance lines, especially considering both Shep and Kaidan's sexuality will most likely be directly addressed and how straightforward ME is when addressing relationships/sex in dialogues in general (Kaidan's own "I never realized that you preffered other women", Mordin's sex advices etc). The language in ME franchise is not really PG-13, doesn't really mince words or tries to avoid calling things as they present on the screen.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 27 juin 2011 - 02:25 .

[Ryzaki]

Regardless its about as in the air as Howden's "oh yeah I'll be voicing Anders for DA2."

Yeah we all know how that turned out.

[Time4Tiddy]

Keeping in mind that everyone was "certain" that ME2 would have m/m options based on some completed voice overs and statements by some of the VAs, I would say it's a nonstarter to say that a VA (even a major one) could be trusted to have a final answer. I mean, going even further back, Sbarge did m/m dialogue for ME1, so he could easily have told someone, yup I'm going to be a gay option. Doesn't mean he was.

[Blacklash93]

Ryzaki wrote...

Regardless its about as in the air as Howden's "oh yeah I'll be voicing Anders for DA2."

Yeah we all know how that turned out.

I'm sure he was originally planned to voice Anders. With this, however, I think Bioware probably made up their minds from the start.

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Keeping in mind that everyone was "certain" that ME2 would have m/m options based on some completed voice overs and statements by some of the VAs, I would say it's a nonstarter to say that a VA (even a major one) could be trusted to have a final answer. I mean, going even further back, Sbarge did m/m dialogue for ME1, so he could easily have told someone, yup I'm going to be a gay option. Doesn't mean he was.

At the very least, this tells us that Kaidan was at one point considered to be the s/s option for ME3. Which is odd, seeing as he's an established character.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 27 juin 2011 - 02:42 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

Ryzaki wrote...

Regardless its about as in the air as Howden's "oh yeah I'll be voicing Anders for DA2."

Yeah we all know how that turned out.

In that Howden did end up voicing him?

I'm guessing you meant Greg Ellis. In which case, Ellis' response was actually something along the lines of a quick 'I believe so' on Facebook, which in hindsight does sound less than certain.

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...
Regardless its about as in the air as Howden's "oh yeah I'll be voicing Anders for DA2."

Yeah we all know how that turned out.

With the obvious difference that not only Sbarge is already recording the lines but also that the s/s romances were officially confirmed by BW. Rather different cases, kinda hard to compare failed negotiations for a role to a romance that is already written, being recorded, confirmed by an actor who's already working on it and the entire thing being part of a bigger feature that was already officially confirmed earlier.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 27 juin 2011 - 02:37 .

[Ryzaki]

Like I said it isn't the first time a VA has been mistaken and if anything he *should* be under a NDA just like every other companion/major character ME3 VA is.  

You're free to claim it as true all you like. It is mere speculation at best. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 juin 2011 - 02:41 .

[Time4Tiddy]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Regardless its about as in the air as Howden's "oh yeah I'll be voicing Anders for DA2."

Yeah we all know how that turned out.

With the obvious difference that not only Sbarge is already recording the lines but also that the s/s romances were officially confirmed by BW. Rather different cases, kinda hard to compare failed negotiations for a role to a romance that is already written, being recorded, confirmed by an actor who's already working on it and the entire thing being part of a bigger feature that was already officially confirmed earlier.

Or it could be that they just wanted to get all possible dialogue done during the time they had contracted with Sbarge, but they haven't yet decided if they'll use it (see ME1).  It's much easier to record the 5-10 minutes of romance dialogue while he's doing the rest of the game (especially if it's just changing pronouns on the femShep romance) than to have to pay him to come back later and add it in.  As I said before, Sbarge recorded m/m romance dialogue for ME1, and it wasn't used.  Just because they've confirmed m/m romance and he's recorded a few lines doesn't mean he'll end up going gay.

[shepskisaac]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Keeping in mind that everyone was "certain" that ME2 would have m/m options based on some completed voice overs and statements by some of the VAs

But ir was never officially confirmed by BW while in ME3 case, s/s romances are already officially confirmed.

Time4Tiddy wrote...
I would say it's a nonstarter to say that a VA (even a major one) could be trusted to have a final answer. I mean, going even further back, Sbarge did m/m dialogue for ME1, so he could easily have told someone, yup I'm going to be a gay option. Doesn't mean he was.

From what we know Sbarge never record s/s specific dialogues for ME1. All the lines we have on the discs are for FemShep as well. They were planning to add s/s romances because they had Meer and Hale recording all lines, but in the end the idea was dropped due to time constraints.

Ryzaki wrote...

Like I said it isn't the first time a VA has been mistaken.

And considering they're right in most cases, it is less likely that he's mistaked than that he's right. Especially considering the s/s romances were confirmed by BW a month ago and that Sbarge is already working on it.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 27 juin 2011 - 02:43 .

[Ryzaki]

No but the devs do have Meer and Hale record all the s/s dialogue for *each and every LI*. It's not out of the realm of possibility that they'd do the same thing to all the LIs and then decide which one feels the most natural and cut the others.

Especially since we know there's gonna be m/m and f/f it's more likely they'd test it out with several characters and then settle on those they feel it works best with. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 juin 2011 - 02:44 .

[shepskisaac]

Time4Tiddy wrote...
Just because they've confirmed m/m romance and he's recorded a few lines doesn't mean he'll end up going gay.

Going bi you mean. As a gaymer you should know the difference.

Ryzaki wrote...

No but the devs do have Meer and Hale record all the s/s dialogue for *each and every LI*. It's not out of the realm of possibility that they'd do the same thing to all the LIs and then decide which one feels the most natural and cut the others.

And Meer and Hale's s/s lines got preserved on the game's discs almost entirely and not a single one for other characters? Don't think so.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 27 juin 2011 - 02:47 .