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[Blacklash93]

Vega isn't Big Ben. A dev confirmed that.

For those who haven't seen him:

 Credit for the picture goes to the James Vega Appretiation Thread

I'm not liking the generic, meat-head space marine look to him. I personally hope his face gets a redesign. It looks even worse in higher-res.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 27 juin 2011 - 03:52 .

[shepskisaac]

Time4Tiddy wrote...
Shepard:  I thought you were into women.
Kaidan:  So did I.
Shepard:  What changed?
Kaidan:  Once you were out of my life, I realized how important you were to me.  That it went beyond friendship.  I don't know what this means, but I'd like to find out.

There, 20 seconds (or less) of dialogue, and I would be satisfied.

Something like this would be much worse to me than a simple "I didn't tell you because you never asked and I thought you were into women so I didn't think I would have a chance with you anyway". Going "I never realized I liked men" is not really realistic for a 35 years old guy, living in future when homosexuality surely isn't a taboo in human culture and everyone knows someone who's gay (and thus obviously would at least once in their life think whether they're maybe not themselves).

Modifié par IsaacShep, 27 juin 2011 - 03:51 .

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...
"I stopped liking him when I replayed ME1 and realized how non-existant his relationship with my dude Shep was and how utterly uninteresting I found him".
You said yourself you've de-liked him when you played an unmodded mShep who only has friendship with Kaidan. Seriously, that's what you've said. If you don't like someone on friendship level, means you only liked him on romantic level.

That's more likely than any other alien, considering he doesn't actually finds human attractive in general and basically goes for it because FemShep asks him.

I played 15? (I think it was 15) male Shepards when ME was new. only 2 of those had a modded romance. You don't listen very clearly do you. I did not say I only played an unmodded MShep that one time. Continue with the assumptions though. They make your points very strong.  

Returning back to the game after playing ME2 then connecting the dots made me dislike the character but apparently that's difficult to comprehend. 

Unlikely. Garrus is the "bro" character. He's pretty unlikely. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 juin 2011 - 04:00 .

[Ryzaki]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Vega isn't Big Ben. A dev confirmed that.

For those who haven't seen him:

 Credit for the picture goes to the James Vega Appretiation Thread

I'm not liking the generic, meat-head space marine look to him. I personally hope his face gets a redesign. It looks even worse in higher-res.

 

The Dev that confirmed that has lied plenty of times. Granted while I don't believe he's Big Ben I do believe Vega is the narrator. 

Big Ben's dead. That reaper spotted him. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 juin 2011 - 04:12 .

[shepskisaac]

Whoever that is, do not want. Gimme the handsome Big Ben

[Time4Tiddy]

Spatchmo wrote...

Time4Tiddy wrote...

It also implies that two men in a relationship act like a man and a woman, which is not the case.  Consider the Alistair romance in DA:O compared to any romance in DA:2.   

Actually I used the Free Love mod in DAO. Alistair actually works just as well as a gay romance, unless you're a human noble in which case the topic of having kids comes up or something. That's seriously the only time the dialogue didn't really fit.

Eh, except for all the "god you're beautiful" "here's a rose that reminded me of you" etc.
I mean, I guess I can see how most of the lines are passable if you're really working hard in your own mind to "make it work", but most of it feels very much like how a shy and insecure guy would woo a woman, not how the same guy would approach a man.

[shepskisaac]

Time4Tiddy wrote...
Eh, except for all the "god you're beautiful" "here's a rose that reminded me of you" etc.
I mean, I guess I can see how most of the lines are passable if you're really working hard in your own mind to "make it work", but most of it feels very much like how a shy and insecure guy would woo a woman, not how the same guy would approach a man.

Agree. Not that two guys wouldn't compliment each other, even excessively, but the choice of words would be different.

[xassantex]

 -- We are pleased to announce Commander John Sheppard:kissing: and Admiral Hackett :police:will commit to a civil partnership on June 1st 2187 . Not having known his father, Shepard always felt a strong attraction  towards mature men . He was deeply moved  when learning Admiral Hackett had remained faithful <_ The ship's AI, EDI will be master of ceremonies 
Sergeant Gardner has kindly accepted to prepare a most unique reception 

Please confirm you presence by April 30th , A list of appropriate gifts -$$$$$$$ - can be found in Shepard's  favourite shops on the Citadel under Shepard/Hackett .
--
---

Modifié par xassantex, 27 juin 2011 - 04:17 .

[shepskisaac]

Montezuma IV wrote...

I call guys beautiful all the time and the likewise....

Wasn't really thinking about 'beautiful' word, more about phrases like "here's a rose that reminded me of you" lol

[Ryzaki]

I'd take a flower over a earring you got off some dude you slept with then killed. 

That said I'm female so my opinion is probably invalid. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 juin 2011 - 04:21 .

[ElitePinecone]

IsaacShep wrote...

Time4Tiddy wrote...
Shepard:  I thought you were into women.
Kaidan:  So did I.
Shepard:  What changed?
Kaidan:  Once you were out of my life, I realized how important you were to me.  That it went beyond friendship.  I don't know what this means, but I'd like to find out.

There, 20 seconds (or less) of dialogue, and I would be satisfied.

Something like this would be much worse to me than a simple "I didn't tell you because you never asked and I thought you were into women so I didn't think I would have a chance with you anyway". Going "I never realized I liked men" is not really realistic for a 35 years old guy, living in future when homosexuality surely isn't a taboo in human culture and everyone knows someone who's gay (and thus obviously would at least once in their life think whether they're maybe not themselves).

Yeah, I agree. It's even more ridiculous that a man in his 30s in 2186 hasn't yet worked out where his interests lie, so to speak. 

It does a disservice to the character and to realism if it's explained away as "I liked women but now I also like you, hurr durr". There are far better ways of explaining why he was always bisexual but unwilling to speak up about it. 

The three years of being apart, for example, or the shock of losing Shepard. Kaidan was always an extremely cautious and risk-averse character - he wouldn't make the first move, so to speak.

What's to say he wouldn't have responded to Shepard's advances, if we'd been able to (canonically) make them in the first Mass Effect? What's to say he wouldn't respond to them positively in ME3?

Also: Ryzaki and IsaacShep - do you mind taking this to PM? 

[KawaiiKatie]

IsaacShep wrote...

Time4Tiddy wrote...
Shepard:  I thought you were into women.
Kaidan:  So did I.
Shepard:  What changed?
Kaidan:  Once you were out of my life, I realized how important you were to me.  That it went beyond friendship.  I don't know what this means, but I'd like to find out.

There, 20 seconds (or less) of dialogue, and I would be satisfied.

Something like this would be much worse to me than a simple "I didn't tell you because you never asked and I thought you were into women so I didn't think I would have a chance with you anyway". Going "I never realized I liked men" is not really realistic for a 35 years old guy, living in future when homosexuality surely isn't a taboo in human culture and everyone knows someone who's gay (and thus obviously would at least once in their life think whether they're maybe not themselves).

It might not be entirely realistic for Kaidan to have a "I never really thought about another man that way" moment, but I don't know, I kind of like it as an explaination of the eleventh-hour nature of the relationship. I've always been a fan of "Kaidan didn't realize what manShep meant to him until he was gone".... Is it entirely realistic? No. But I like it. I can espically hear Kaidan's voice as he says, "I don't know what this means, but I'd like to find out."

Practical. Honest. ****** seems like exactly the kind of thing Kaidan would say. :happy:

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 27 juin 2011 - 04:24 .

[Time4Tiddy]

IsaacShep wrote...

Time4Tiddy wrote...
Shepard:  I thought you were into women.
Kaidan:  So did I.
Shepard:  What changed?
Kaidan:  Once you were out of my life, I realized how important you were to me.  That it went beyond friendship.  I don't know what this means, but I'd like to find out.

There, 20 seconds (or less) of dialogue, and I would be satisfied.

Something like this would be much worse to me than a simple "I didn't tell you because you never asked and I thought you were into women so I didn't think I would have a chance with you anyway". Going "I never realized I liked men" is not really realistic for a 35 years old guy, living in future when homosexuality surely isn't a taboo in human culture and everyone knows someone who's gay (and thus obviously would at least once in their life think whether they're maybe not themselves).

I like the idea, but how do you know that it's not taboo/frowned upon?  It's certainly a don't ask/don't tell kind of set up, at least in the humanity we have seen for the first two games.  Of all the humans we've met, only Kelly is openly bisexual - if anyone else is, they sure aren't talking about it.  ME is only about 100 years in the future, and yet even the sleazy bars and prostitutes are designed purely for straight male fantasy fulfillment.  Does it really seem likely that Afterlife wouldn't have -one- hunky male stripper if the galaxy was so receptive to gays.  Wouldn't the asari consort employ a few masculine acolytes, since she's got human women in there?

Perhaps it's part of the diversity of human genetics and we're the only species with gays, and that's why it's completely absent from the rest of the galaxy.  I dunno.  But frankly, it's also possible that a man who was taken off to biotics training camp as a pre-teen and then had a traumatizing experience followed by a military career (especially in a don't ask/don't tell military) could have made it to 35 without realizing he was gay.  It happens all the time.

Just as a note, though, your short/sweet line of dialogue is still SOME kind of an explanation, which is all I'm looking for.    I just don't want it to be retconned away, and he's all of the sudden romanceable as if he always was.

[Ryzaki]

I'd prefer the you never asked because it means the relationship won't start unless Shepard asks about it. Which would be nice.

...Just as long as it's not like Tali where I'm railroaded into asking.

[MarqueAZ]

Hi All,

IsaacShep asked me write a more-detailed report on the Raphael Sbarge panel at Albuquerque Comic Expo, including the S/S romance info. I’ll do the best I can, but I’m a bit wiped out (great con! I'm typing this in my hotel) and will cover the basics. I’m getting mixed info whether the recording went through with the podcaster in the audience, so forgive my paraphrasing in case that's all you have to work from (as well as the others in attendance).

The other VA couldn’t make it (Tom Kane). Raphael looked up at the panel crowd (30-40 attendees) and smiled, saying he didn’t know what to do alone (nobody to bounce discussion off with), so he was opening the floor to questions on VA-ing in general, as well as his own work.

Highlights:
-Most of the panel attendees were fans wanting to know how to break into the VA industry.
-He apologized that he wasn’t a gamer himself, but loves his work in VA-ing because of the challenge of portraying emotion without body movement/facial expressions.
-He has a main role in an ABC TV series coming out this fall called ‘Once Upon a Time’ that he has a lot of faith for.
-He likes romantic/emotional lines versus screamy ones. He went into that a bit, saying a lot of roles have him yelling. (Raphael: “I act-yelled about riding a dragon for a Sony game!”) We thought that was hilarious.

MASS EFFECT/3 INFO:
-He said the (voice acting?) director in Mass Effect 1 that he worked with was absolutely phenomenal.
-He was asked if he recorded any lines for ME3 yet. He said he’s recorded a “4-hour session.” On that note, ME itself took him about 20 4-hour sessions. He says the sessions for VA-ing usually wipe him out for 2-3 days because of how intense they are.

Since there is a big deal about the S/S coming up which is partly my fault (had no idea the news would be so big for you all!), I’ll paraphrase it as best as I can.

A podcaster (I forgot their name, but you all tracked down who it was!) introduced himself and asked Raphael “Let’s say I played a Male Shepard. In Mass Effect 3, would I be able to romance/engage a romance with you/Kaidan?” The audience chuckled a bit, and Raphael started to respond, then thought for a moment, then nodded a few times and said (paraphrasing). “You know! I think so! They mentioned it. I believe they’re still working on the writing.” Some people in the audience looked confused/amused, so he asserted: “Now, I’m all for it. I think it’s great.”


BTW, Raphael was very nice and charming to all the fans. I was impressed with his professionalism and eagerness to support others who wanted to get into acting. (He teaches acting.)

I can't really offer 100% confirmation. Take what you will! It sounded like confirmation to me, but I can understand the other side if it doesn't. Either way, I'm am SUPER stoked for ME3 and excited to learn more from Bioware.

Modifié par MarqueAZ, 27 juin 2011 - 04:32 .

[KawaiiKatie]

@MarqueAZ

Thanks for the info! I'm very excited to hear what Bioware has to say about it!

[Ryzaki]

Sweet! Thanks for taking the time out to tell us MarqueAZ!

[shepskisaac]

Time4Tiddy wrote...
I like the idea, but how do you know that it's not taboo/frowned upon?  It's certainly a don't ask/don't tell kind of set up, at least in the humanity we have seen for the first two games.  Of all the humans we've met, only Kelly is openly bisexual - if anyone else is, they sure aren't talking about it.  ME is only about 100 years in the future, and yet even the sleazy bars and prostitutes are designed purely for straight male fantasy fulfillment.  Does it really seem likely that Afterlife wouldn't have -one- hunky male stripper if the galaxy was so receptive to gays.  Wouldn't the asari consort employ a few masculine acolytes, since she's got human women in there?

Perhaps it's part of the diversity of human genetics and we're the only species with gays, and that's why it's completely absent from the rest of the galaxy.  I dunno.  But frankly, it's also possible that a man who was taken off to biotics training camp as a pre-teen and then had a traumatizing experience followed by a military career (especially in a don't ask/don't tell military) could have made it to 35 without realizing he was gay.  It happens all the time.

Just as a note, though, your short/sweet line of dialogue is still SOME kind of an explanation, which is all I'm looking for.    I just don't want it to be retconned away, and he's all of the sudden romanceable as if he always was.

Valids point all around except the bold part IMO. Even at this age, it just doesn't really happen anymore, unless extreme cases. Everyone knows about the existance of homosexuality. Not really a case when it wasn't discussed at all like a hundred years ago for a example. WIth the internet, television, radio and overall access to information it's just not very realistic someone would live past his teen years, past his your adulthood and everything without never realizing he likes the same sex as well with all the suggestions around reaching that person. But that's my opinion ;P

Modifié par IsaacShep, 27 juin 2011 - 04:36 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

I agree Garrus is a bro  for Mshep and Tali is a bff to fshep!

I also maintain

no to all past crew LI being made into s/s options for 3. End portrayed as hetro leave them that way.

fine with flings or brand new characters like vega being s/s options.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 27 juin 2011 - 04:40 .

[MarqueAZ]

No problem! Thank you all for your patience. I'm very happy Albuquerque invited him out to the event.

[shepskisaac]

Amazing recount MarqueAZ! Thank you so SO much!

So they're still working on the writing for Kaidan s/s romance sweet AND they've told it themselves to Raphael! Amazing news!!!

[shepskisaac]

OMG I'm so happy!!!!    Kaidan finally for our mSheps, just like he was suppoused to be from the begining in ME1! Thank you BW! <3 <3 <3

Modifié par IsaacShep, 27 juin 2011 - 04:46 .

[Time4Tiddy]

IsaacShep wrote...

Valids point all around except the bold part IMO. Even at this age, it just doesn't really happen anymore, unless extreme cases. Everyone knows about the existance of homosexuality. Not really a case when it wasn't discussed at all like a hundred years ago for a example. WIth the internet, television, radio and overall access to information it's just not very realistic someone would live past his teen years, past his your adulthood and everything without never realizing he likes the same sex as well with all the suggestions around reaching that person. But that's my opinion ;P

It may depend on where you live and your current age.  I'm 35 myself, and I can tell you that in Minnesota you would not believe the number of guys that are just coming out in their 30s after being married for ten years and having a bunch of kids.  I do think it's less likely for guys who are 20 -right now- to use that argument, but guys who are older it's still happening a lot.

Also, consider that in humanity's past, there have been plenty of times where homosexuality was no big deal.  Ancient Greece we're talking thousands of years ago where every young man had an older gay lover.  Native Americans celebrated the two-spirits as shamans and prophets.  The early Christian Church married same-sex couples.  And yet here we are in 2011 with teaparty republicans winning elections using gay panic.  There's is no guarantee that 150 years from now we'll be more enlightened and more accepting.  Not that I'm being pessimistic, just that I'm saying the future we've been shown doesn't necessarily imply that you'd be comfortable with your sexuality and being open about it, and just extrapolating that we'll be more liberal in 150 years as a matter of course is a bit illogical given human history.  We've been told that Earth is basically a bunch of slums with a huge gap between rich and poor.  Sounds like the end result of increasingly conservative/republican/teaparty system to me.