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[Medhia Nox]

Actually - in Kaidan's conversation about the woman he met while being trained as a biotic... he says that they were "close". That could mean a million things.

He also says he thinks she was beautiful... I dunno. All the straight dudes I've talked to - when talking about a woman - don't usually use "beautiful" when talking with other dudes. They use some term suggesting they'd like to sleep with them.

Neither of these things make him gay... that's not my point. But unless I'm missing some other interaction... the conversation about the one girl is "neutral".

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I've also heard people argue that Kaidan never hits on Male Shepard. Well - what dude would? Shepard is jacked - and, a confirmed bad ass. Even in a progressive society of the future (and let's face it - it's one 100 years or so from now)... dudes will still be sensitive about being pursued by other men.

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Anyway - I don't care which characters are gay, but some of the arguments that characters are hetero are totally off base. People should just say: "I want this character straight because it makes me feel better."

[Darkhour]

Siansonea II wrote...

This OP is a work-in-progress, so bear with me (and feel free to make suggestions).


This thread's purpose is to discuss same-sex romance in Mass Effect 3. 


This thread's purpose is NOT to discuss real-world issues related to homosexuality, gender identity, politics, religion, etc. 


This thread doesn't exist for people to express that they are against the inclusion of same-sex romance either. It's been confirmed by BioWare, and if you want to petition them to take it out, do it somewhere else. 


A reminder: If you observe an instance of "trolling" or baiting, or other types of misbehavior, PM one of the moderators with a link to the offending post. I have every confidence that such things will be dealt with swiftly. NO OTHER ACTION IS REQUIRED, and please, above all, do not quote any offensive posts or respond to them.


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And to quote Chris Priestly:

Please remember:
All romances in Mass Effect 3 (as with parts 1 and 2) are optional. If you do not enjoy romance options in games, please stay out of discussions where fans of such romances can discuss them. Mass Effect 3 also has same sex relationships. If you do not enjoy or approve of same sex relationships, please stay out of discussion on these topics. While we respect each person's personal beliefs, we do not allow insults, ridicule or hatred against people on these forums based on religion, politics, race, age or sexual preference. People breaking the Site Rules will be dealt with accordingly.

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Please note that this thread may contain spoilers. ME1 and ME2 spoilers are a given, and don't need to be flagged, but please be courteous and flag any potential ME3 spoilers in your posts.


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And this is the tweet that started it all, Casey Hudson's May 15, 2011 confirmation of the inclusion of same-sex romance options in ME3:

Happy to confirm #ME3 supports wider options for love interests incl. same-sex for m&f chars, reactive to how you interact w/them in-game.

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Also, for the purposes of this thread, asari characters are female. If you somehow don't think asari are female, first get glasses, then open a biology book, then read the Codex, then take the discussion to another thread. Around here, asari are female. This thread is NOT a discussion of asari biology. 


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And another tip: If you find yourself using the word "retcon", which is a poorly-understood portmanteau of the phrase "retroactive continuity", you're probably veering off-topic. In fact you're probably careening off-topic. Those are discussions for other threads, so please discuss such topics elsewhere.

So what exactly is the point of this thread?

For people who like the idea of homesexual romance to post 1-liners about how they are excited about gay romance?

[Maugrim]

Darkhour wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

This thread's purpose is to discuss same-sex romance in Mass Effect 3. 


This thread's purpose is NOT to discuss real-world issues related to homosexuality, gender identity, politics, religion, etc. 


This thread doesn't exist for people to express that they are against the inclusion of same-sex romance either. It's been confirmed by BioWare, and if you want to petition them to take it out, do it somewhere else.

So what exactly is the point of this thread?

For people who like the idea of homesexual romance to post 1-liners about how they are excited about gay romance?

It's right there in the post you quoted, please remain on topic. Thanks!

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 13 juin 2011 - 11:11 .

[Siansonea]

@Darkhour: If you don't understand the point of this thread, chances are you have nothing to add to it. Feel free to take your discussion ideas to other threads, since they clearly don't fit here.

[Darkhour]

Genly wrote...

Yes! I think DA2 is the Bioware game that better handled characters interactions / romance, which includes comments even from other NPCs. I laughed hard when uncle Gamlen said: "So, you're into elves, huh? I guess I don't have to ask which one of you's the girl." when manHawke romances Fenris. I think ME3 team can learn a lot from DA2 in this aspect.

DA2 was horrible. They weren't romances. They were play toys. You hit heart dialog and sexy time ensues. I "romanced" Merrill with a single comment. DA:O was way better. Leliana/Morrigan were done waaaaaaaaay better. Leliana's ninja romance was bad, but that was a bug that they never bothered to fix. Not intentional.

[Dapper Pomegranate]

Medhia Nox wrote...
I've also heard people argue that Kaidan never hits on Male Shepard. Well - what dude would? Shepard is jacked - and, a confirmed bad ass. Even in a progressive society of the future (and let's face it - it's one 100 years or so from now)... dudes will still be sensitive about being pursued by other men. 

I'll admit, I would never openly hit on a dude like renegade Shep without testing the waters very carefully first. But that's based on my first-hand knowledge of this day and age; I'd argue that almost two centuries from now, viewpoints will have changed substantially, but who knows?

[shepskisaac]

Medhia Nox wrote...
I've also heard people argue that Kaidan never hits on Male Shepard. Well - what dude would? Shepard is jacked - and, a confirmed bad ass. Even in a progressive society of the future (and let's face it - it's one 100 years or so from now)... dudes will still be sensitive about being pursued by other men. 

Even if the society in ME universe is progressive, Kaidan still wouldn't hit on MaleShep simply because he thinks Shep is straight. He says it to FemShep that he didn't realized she preffered her own gender when the Liara romance brings up the question of Shep's sexuality.

[paptschik]

Okay, I have to say...I really don't get what is "allowed" in this thread and what isn't. The first post...kinda overexplains it to the point where it felt like anything other than a "woo" isn't welcome but reading the thread it seems like a discussion (a civil discussion, that should be a given) where even those that have more or less different opinions are welcome to state them. So...which is it? (no sarcasm or anything - serious question here) I mean, I'm not against s/s at all so I don't want a anti-s/s thread, I'm just also one of those people with certain ideas of how characters are and I'm not fond of being told "tough luck, you're wrong", so in the end out of personal preference I'd like certain characters to be straight, frankly don't care with most and could see it with some (like Kaiden...I guess you could argue Jack, though I still see her as a character that tried same sex relationships and didn't get much out of it or just prefers men).
Would voicing such opinions be ok for the thread or not?

[Darkhour]

Siansonea II wrote...

@Darkhour: If you don't understand the point of this thread, chances are you have nothing to add to it. Feel free to take your discussion ideas to other threads, since they clearly don't fit here.

I think I understand the point. I'm asking a question to get clarification.  If you cannot or will not answer my question please don't respond to it. It's kinda rude. Thaaaaanks.

[Dapper Pomegranate]

Darkhour wrote...

Genly wrote...

Yes! I think DA2 is the Bioware game that better handled characters interactions / romance, which includes comments even from other NPCs. I laughed hard when uncle Gamlen said: "So, you're into elves, huh? I guess I don't have to ask which one of you's the girl." when manHawke romances Fenris. I think ME3 team can learn a lot from DA2 in this aspect.

DA2 was horrible. They weren't romances. They were play toys. You hit heart dialog and sexy time ensues. I "romanced" Merrill with a single comment. DA:O was way better. Leliana/Morrigan were done waaaaaaaaay better. Leliana's ninja romance was bad, but that was a bug that they never bothered to fix. Not intentional.

Fact, yes, but Genly wasn't referencing the romances themselves, but rather, how the game world reacts to them (at least, that's what I inferred). That was done better in DA2, especially for s/s.

[JeffZero]

Glad to see this thread. I'm so ecstatic about the FFTL campaign's success.

[ScotGaymer]

I am pleased that BW finally listened and is going to include SS romance in ME. Better late than never.

I find myself a little baffled at how many folks r saying "omg Kaidan wasnt gay/bi! he was into girls!" because I thought that Kaidan seemed to be hitting on/flirting with my ManShep several times during the course of the game.
Maybe I was reading too much into it but Kaidan struck me as very flirtatious and I was really surprised when I read on the forums that my attempts to romance him would come to naught.

I echo the sentiments earlier that I would prefer a "new" male and female LI that is exclusively interested in their own sex.
But if not I would like Kaidan to realise he actually is kind of really in love with ManShep and has been since ME1, and is a complete idiot for not realising lol.

[Ryzaki]

FrozenFire42 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Genly wrote...

Yes! I think DA2 is the Bioware game that better handled characters interactions / romance, which includes comments even from other NPCs. I laughed hard when uncle Gamlen said: "So, you're into elves, huh? I guess I don't have to ask which one of you's the girl." when manHawke romances Fenris. I think ME3 team can learn a lot from DA2 in this aspect.

DA2 was horrible. They weren't romances. They were play toys. You hit heart dialog and sexy time ensues. I "romanced" Merrill with a single comment. DA:O was way better. Leliana/Morrigan were done waaaaaaaaay better. Leliana's ninja romance was bad, but that was a bug that they never bothered to fix. Not intentional.

Fact, yes, but Genly wasn't referencing the romances themselves, but rather, how the game world reacts to them (at least, that's what I inferred). That was done better in DA2, especially for s/s.

 

Hell Isay the romances theselves were done better in DA2 than ME and ME2. At least I didn't get someone thinking we were an item because I wanted to dicuss their family.  

That said yay for new (and hot and interesting and with sexy accents) LIs! (who are hopefully m/m and f/f only) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 juin 2011 - 11:19 .

[jlb524]

Ryzaki wrote...

Hell Isay the romances theselves were done better in DA2 than ME and ME2. At least I didn't get someone thinking we were an item because I wanted to dicuss their family.  

I agree. 

[Siansonea]

@paptschik: Discussing different ideas for implementation is fine. Stating a preference for one type of implementation over another is fine too. But we've all seen how the conversation can fall apart over trivial things. The purpose of the thread is for people who support s/s inclusion to discuss different ways for it to be implemented, without all the distractions and derailments of the previous thread. Basically, if you think something will sound offensive, chances are it will sound offensive, and the chances are even greater that it will be off-topic. I just want this to be a safe, supportive environment, not a battlefield.

It should be noted that much of what we are discussing is pure speculation, especially with regards to existing characters. Stating that you would prefer new characters as opposed to existing characters is perfectly legitimate and on-topic, and many here would agree with your stance, even.

[Siansonea]

Darkhour wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

@Darkhour: If you don't understand the point of this thread, chances are you have nothing to add to it. Feel free to take your discussion ideas to other threads, since they clearly don't fit here.

I think I understand the point. I'm asking a question to get clarification.  If you cannot or will not answer my question please don't respond to it. It's kinda rude. Thaaaaanks.

If you think me rude, you misunderstand. I only wish to avoid a contentious and inharmonious atmosphere. If you truly wish for clarification, you may PM me with specific questions.

[Maugrim]

@paptschik

You could say:

Kaidan can't be gay/bi because (insert stereotype here).

OR

I don't think Kaidan is gay/bi.

One is offensive, the other is not though the end result or desire is the same. The former is not welcome here and the latter is perfectly acceptable.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 13 juin 2011 - 11:26 .

[Darkhour]

FrozenFire42 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Genly wrote...

Yes! I think DA2 is the Bioware game that better handled characters interactions / romance, which includes comments even from other NPCs. I laughed hard when uncle Gamlen said: "So, you're into elves, huh? I guess I don't have to ask which one of you's the girl." when manHawke romances Fenris. I think ME3 team can learn a lot from DA2 in this aspect.

DA2 was horrible. They weren't romances. They were play toys. You hit heart dialog and sexy time ensues. I "romanced" Merrill with a single comment. DA:O was way better. Leliana/Morrigan were done waaaaaaaaay better. Leliana's ninja romance was bad, but that was a bug that they never bothered to fix. Not intentional.

Fact, yes, but Genly wasn't referencing the romances themselves, but rather, how the game world reacts to them (at least, that's what I inferred). That was done better in DA2, especially for s/s.

Since ME2 has no s/s romances beside Liara (which isn't seen as odd in the ME universe) it's tough to compare the two .  And even for the normal romances only another jealous paramour would comment about it besides Kasumi (and maybe Kelly?) 

But DA:O has plenty of party interactions involving your relationship. Alistair and Wynee have full blown discussions with the player character about it.  All of them save Sten (can't remember if shale said anything) at least commented on it. At least I never heard Sten comment on it. I think DA:O handled romances the best.

[paptschik]

Ryzaki wrote...

FrozenFire42 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Genly wrote...

Yes! I think DA2 is the Bioware game that better handled characters interactions / romance, which includes comments even from other NPCs. I laughed hard when uncle Gamlen said: "So, you're into elves, huh? I guess I don't have to ask which one of you's the girl." when manHawke romances Fenris. I think ME3 team can learn a lot from DA2 in this aspect.

DA2 was horrible. They weren't romances. They were play toys. You hit heart dialog and sexy time ensues. I "romanced" Merrill with a single comment. DA:O was way better. Leliana/Morrigan were done waaaaaaaaay better. Leliana's ninja romance was bad, but that was a bug that they never bothered to fix. Not intentional.

Fact, yes, but Genly wasn't referencing the romances themselves, but rather, how the game world reacts to them (at least, that's what I inferred). That was done better in DA2, especially for s/s.

 

Hell Isay the romances theselves were done better in DA2 than ME and ME2. At least I didn't get someone thinking we were an item because I wanted to dicuss their family.  

That said yay for new (and hot and interesting and with sexy accents) LIs! (who are hopefully m/m and f/f only) 

I don't even get everyones problems with the DA2 romances. I liked them a lot. I loved that some of the cast moved in with you, I loved little bits like the LI coming to you after the All That Remains quest...generally it felt more like the characters had a real life and cared about Hawke, as friends or lover, either way, instead of just standing in the same damn spot 24/7 and only coming up for some "hey, we're gonna die, so last chance!"-sex.

[Darkhour]

Siansonea II wrote...

If you think me rude, you misunderstand. I only wish to avoid a contentious and inharmonious atmosphere. If you truly wish for clarification, you may PM me with specific questions.

And yet you are creating a contentious and inharmonious atmosphere. Please desist or I will be forced to report you. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Modifié par Darkhour, 13 juin 2011 - 11:29 .

[jlb524]

Darkhour wrote...

But DA:O has plenty of party interactions involving your relationship. Alistair and Wynee have full blown discussions with the player character about it.  All of them save Sten (can't remember if shale said anything) at least commented on it. At least I never heard Sten comment on it. I think DA:O handled romances the best.

Not for the FemWarden/Leliana romance...there's none...no party banter at all.

paptschik wrote...

I don't even get everyones problems with the DA2 romances. I liked them a lot. I loved that some of the cast moved in with you, I loved little bits like the LI coming to you after the All That Remains quest...generally it felt more like the characters had a real life and cared about Hawke, as friends or lover, either way, instead of just standing in the same damn spot 24/7 and only coming up for some "hey, we're gonna die, so last chance!"-sex.

I agree.  I really liked them b/c of these nice little touches outside of actual romance dialog.  My DA:O romance was ignored completely outside of dialog and ended half-way through the game and wasn't affected by other quests or the main plot at all.

Modifié par jlb524, 13 juin 2011 - 11:31 .

[SilentNukee]

If they make Tali an option, I'll be very happy.
My canon playthrough is 100% loyal to Liara, though.

[Dapper Pomegranate]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

But if not I would like Kaidan to realise he actually is kind of really in love with ManShep and has been since ME1, and is a complete idiot for not realising lol.

Call me a sap (I prefer the term "hopeless romantic" ) but I think a conversation along these lines could actually be quite touching if done well. Also, terrible and campy if done wrong, but I like to think I have faith in the writers.

Also, if they add Kaidan s/s, I won't have to go through the game with everyone calling my manshep "ma'am". Yay!

[Clonedzero]

i just wanna go on record here.

yay for gay / bi relationships in ME3 with new characters.

a big fat NAY for changing / rewriting established characters.

[LordJeyl]

paptschik wrote...
I'm not against s/s at all so I don't want a anti-s/s thread, I'm just also one of those people with certain ideas of how characters are and I'm not fond of being told "tough luck, you're wrong", so in the end out of personal preference I'd like certain characters to be straight, frankly don't care with most and could see it with some (like Kaiden...I guess you could argue Jack, though I still see her as a character that tried same sex relationships and didn't get much out of it or just prefers men).
Would voicing such opinions be ok for the thread or not?

Personally, I don't think it's a good idea to bring this up in a thread. I certainly understand and respect where you're coming from, but discussions like this always boil down to the same thing in the end. You have problems with the possibility of characters who you thought were straight being romanced by a same-sex Shepard. That's not what this forum is about. I just want to keep the possibilities of s/s relationships with characters in ME3 positive, even for characters who we probably won't be able to have a relationship with.