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[ArawnNox]

Ryzaki wrote...

Why? They're obviously (due to the OP) not allowed to express such sentiments here.

Might as well give them their own thread.

Depends on the conted of the anti-s/s threads, imo. If its rational from a fair standpoint, fine. But if it's a vehicle for gay-bashing, then that's against forum rules as a whole.
I don't know whats going on in those threads, so take the above as a generalized statement.

[KawaiiKatie]

Ryzaki wrote...

On the celibate Shep notes all my Sheps save five are celibates.

Oooof, I'm not sure I could handle that! I love the Mas Effect romances, and missing out on them with my gayShep was like torture! I had to make other Shepards to romance Jack and Kaidan with, because they're my favourite love-interests, even though to do so, I had to "play it straight"....

[Ryzaki]

 

Roachbugg wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

On the celibate Shep notes all my Sheps save five are celibates.

how many shep do you have? lol

 

I deleted a couple that I plan on redoing but I have about 15. 11 of those are set and 4 of those are varations of the 11 that I'm not sure which version I'm gonna stick with. (Paragade/Renegon). 

I have three versions of Guardian. All paragade with mostly similar decisions but one's an Adept (single), Infilitrator (single) and a second adept that romanced Miranda. 

Then there's Yurel who I can't decide if he's gonna be a paragade or renegon. He's tricky to pin down. Also not sure if he's gonna be an adept or an infiltrator. 

Aizen, Ryen, Graye, Frost, John, Leon, Rene, Sentinel (yes I named my sentinel, Sentinel  ), Raven, Jeffrey and Xien (who I need to redo). 

(Sadly they don't look radically different from one another as they should because the ME CC sucks.) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 juin 2011 - 06:48 .

[Ryzaki]

KawaiiKatie wrote...
Oooof, I'm not sure I could handle that! I love the Mas Effect romances, and missing out on them with my gayShep was like torture! I had to make other Shepards to romance Jack and Kaidan with, because they're my favourite love-interests, even though to do so, I had to "play it straight"....

 

Heh. The only character I really like that's a RM is Garrus and Miranda and I really really can't play FemShep and Miranda's romance scene (the engine room fiasco) is so bad to me it drives me successfully away. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 juin 2011 - 06:46 .

[Destruktor5000]

Just read through the first ten pages of the thread and this last one (no time for the rest) and I'm really surprised how little Garrus is mentioned.

Definitely want him as a LI! Heck, I even played through ME2 as fShep only for the Garrus romance and I loathe playing female chars.

[demonic_cookie]

Destruktor, it is actually rather silly he's not a bi LI... He states outright that he's never even thought of humans in that way before, and he does it simply because Shepard is so close to him as a person... It would make sense that he wouldn't care about gender either, simply because it's not much of a difference for him and it's not like any babies will ensue...

[Destruktor5000]

Agree, especially taking the Turians' whole "blowing off steam"-attitude into consideration. But maybe he just needs some more time to get his head around being with a human AND a male. Can totally make it work in my head though.
Another reason I want to see Garrus is, that in my opinion he's one of the character's that have seen a lot of development personality-wise, and Shep has helped quite a bit along the way...

Also I don't care much for Kaidan, simply I found him not all that interesting in ME1 (though I let Ash die, because I thought she was just dead-ass annoying) and he was a total **** on Horizon and didn't believe in Shepard doing the right thing...

[Abispa]

There have been a few comments made toward my female Shepards of a sexual nature, most notably the Batarian mercenary at the sign-up office at Afterlife. IRL I've heard so many times that women shouldn't be angry about such comments since it's merely some guy showing his appreciation and she should feel flattered. Yet some of those same guys making that argument worry (needlessly if you've seen them) that some gay guy could come on to them at public place if homosexuality continues to gain acceptance and "joke" that violence may even be an appropriate response.

There is definitely a more macho vibe among ME fans than DA ones (going by my forum experience), and I'm curious what such a fan's reaction would be if an openly gay NPC makes crass comments about male Shepard.

[Ryzaki]

Ugh females nor males should have to deal with unwanted advances in a video game. It's escapism for a reason.

[Abispa]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ugh females nor males should have to deal with unwanted advances in a video game. It's escapism for a reason.

I often wonder if such scenes are among the limited options developers like to use to give the male and female play-throughs a different feel: 1) have merc challenge male to a fight or 2) have merc talk about female's ass.

[Ryzaki]

Abispa wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Ugh females nor males should have to deal with unwanted advances in a video game. It's escapism for a reason.

I often wonder if such scenes are among the limited options developers like to use to give the male and female play-throughs a different feel: 1) have merc challenge male to a fight or 2) have merc talk about female's ass.

 

My problems is in ME it ends up crude. Wheres in DAO you get charmers like Teagan were you stil feel female but without the urge to punch someone in the face. 

[AngelicMachinery]

Abispa wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Ugh females nor males should have to deal with unwanted advances in a video game. It's escapism for a reason.

I often wonder if such scenes are among the limited options developers like to use to give the male and female play-throughs a different feel: 1) have merc challenge male to a fight or 2) have merc talk about female's ass.

I would prefer it to be the reverse,  I'm sick of the fact that the typical scenes where they're either objectified or considered weak simply because of gender/sex...  and I must admit I would LOVE to see see the shoe on the other foot.  It's spiteful I know,  but, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

[Abispa]

@ Ryzaki -- Hmm, I wonder what would happen if Teagan asked boy Warden to spend the night by the fire listening to Bette Midler music.

[Abispa]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I would prefer it to be the reverse,  I'm sick of the fact that the typical scenes where they're either objectified or considered weak simply because of gender/sex...  and I must admit I would LOVE to see see the shoe on the other foot.  It's spiteful I know,  but, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Which, in a way, is what this thread's all about.

[Ryzaki]

Abispa wrote...

@ Ryzaki -- Hmm, I wonder what would happen if Teagan asked boy Warden to spend the night by the fire listening to Bette Midler music.

 

I would've died of laughter. 

I still wish my male Warden could've seduced Cammen. That whole "I should get away from you." would've been so much funnier. 

[AngelicMachinery]

Abispa wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I would prefer it to be the reverse,  I'm sick of the fact that the typical scenes where they're either objectified or considered weak simply because of gender/sex...  and I must admit I would LOVE to see see the shoe on the other foot.  It's spiteful I know,  but, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Which, in a way, is what this thread's all about.

In a sense I suppose it is.

[VirtualStranger]

Ryzaki wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Ugh females nor males should have to deal with unwanted advances in a video game. It's escapism for a reason

I often wonder if such scenes are among the limited options developers like to use to give the male and female play-throughs a different feel: 1) have merc challenge male to a fight or 2) have merc talk about female's ass.

 
My problems is in ME it ends up crude. Wheres in DAO you get charmers like Teagan were you stil feel female but without the urge to punch someone in the face.

Other than Harkin and the Batarian merc, where did you see this? I don't remember it happening that much. With Jacob it felt more like Shepard was making crude, unwanted advances on him.

The only game I've seen this in any excessive amount is Fallout, and that fit in well with the whole "degenerate post-apocalyptic wasteland" feel. (not to mention that you could punch them in the face in that game)

[Time4Tiddy]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

On the celibate Shep notes all my Sheps save five are celibates.

Oooof, I'm not sure I could handle that! I love the Mas Effect romances, and missing out on them with my gayShep was like torture! I had to make other Shepards to romance Jack and Kaidan with, because they're my favourite love-interests, even though to do so, I had to "play it straight"....

My biggest problem with a celibate manShep is that he can't renegade Kaidan.  I already have my "canon" Shep who is fem, paragon, and romanced Kaidan and remained loyal through ME2.  This is my initial character where I just said, whatever happens happens and I live with consequences.  So considering that male/female Kaidan romances are likely to be nearly identical, I don't really need to send through a paragon male for him (other than aesthetics).

All my male Sheps romanced someone, because I think the romances are sexy regardless of gender, and I would rather see my male Shep flirting and being sexy with someone rather than nothing.

So, now that I'm working on a celibate manShep who will have been gay all the way through, I'm wishing there was a way to renegade Kaidan as a man, so I could at least get a different Kaidan into ME3.  Since they have said that the third game will feature even more and deeper repercussions of decisions from ME1 & 2, I'm -hoping- a renegade Kaidan, or a paragon Ash, will play slightly differently than if they were left "as is."

I would love an ME3 where I could have a renegade Shep and renegade Kaidan as a badass couple tearing it up.

[Abispa]

VirtualStranger wrote...

Other than Harkin and the Batarian merc, where did you see this? I don't remember it happening that much. With Jacob it felt more like Shepard was making crude, unwanted advances on him.

The only game I've seen this in any excessive amount is Fallout, and that fit in well with the whole "degenerate post-apocalyptic wasteland" feel. (not to mention that you could punch them in the face in that game)

The point is that the scenes that are DIFFERENT for the male and female Shepards the game-makers have taken to stereoytpical crass route. Just about all the other scenes are identical between the Shepards.

[Time4Tiddy]

Abispa wrote...

The point is that the scenes that are DIFFERENT for the male and female Shepards the game-makers have taken to stereoytpical crass route. Just about all the other scenes are identical between the Shepards.

True, but...  You have to admit it's much more satisfying when femShep then proceeds to kick someone's ass, lay down a bad-ass line, or punch someone mouthy.  Personally I see it as a flipside of the "issue" you mention.  When manShep hits a renegade interrupt, usually he's kind of a douche.  When femShep does the same thing, she's a total bad-ass.  It wouldn't be as powerful if they didn't toss in a few jabs about how she's a woman from time to time.

[Ryzaki]

Abispa wrote...

VirtualStranger wrote...

Other than Harkin and the Batarian merc, where did you see this? I don't remember it happening that much. With Jacob it felt more like Shepard was making crude, unwanted advances on him.

The only game I've seen this in any excessive amount is Fallout, and that fit in well with the whole "degenerate post-apocalyptic wasteland" feel. (not to mention that you could punch them in the face in that game)

The point is that the scenes that are DIFFERENT for the male and female Shepards the game-makers have taken to stereoytpical crass route. Just about all the other scenes are identical between the Shepards.

 

This pretty much. It's not the quanitity it's the quality. 

[AngelicMachinery]

Abispa wrote...

VirtualStranger wrote...

Other than Harkin and the Batarian merc, where did you see this? I don't remember it happening that much. With Jacob it felt more like Shepard was making crude, unwanted advances on him.

The only game I've seen this in any excessive amount is Fallout, and that fit in well with the whole "degenerate post-apocalyptic wasteland" feel. (not to mention that you could punch them in the face in that game)

The point is that the scenes that are DIFFERENT for the male and female Shepards the game-makers have taken to stereoytpical crass route. Just about all the other scenes are identical between the Shepards.

One must point out that all the male differences involve how "Bad Ass" Male Shepard is...  or getting the tongue slipped to him by some random woman.  For males it seems to be a means to enhance the prototypical macho image and for women it's about how they're HAWT or not taken seriously.

[Abispa]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

One must point out that all the male differences involve how "Bad Ass" Male Shepard is...  or getting the tongue slipped to him by some random woman.  For males it seems to be a means to enhance the prototypical macho image and for women it's about how they're HAWT or not taken seriously.

I remember some Fable II players complaining that as their female character became stronger, she began to look more muscular and masculine, and I believe that no longer happens in Fable III. There seems to be an attitide that the athletic female body is unattractive and that the male hero has to look like a body builder. I wonder if future Bioware games should provide for diverse body types that ignores the VG RPG norm.

EDIT: Tying it back into the thread topic, I wonder how many people, for personal preferances or for "fun," would like to design an effeminate male Shepard or a masculine female Shepard, especially now that all sexual choices are open. It need not be stereotypical, I appreciated how masculine Aveline fell in love with a man. Until Donnic, I assumed that Bioware had placed a "Lesbian! Here!" sign over her head.

Modifié par Abispa, 28 juin 2011 - 03:24 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Abispa wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

One must point out that all the male differences involve how "Bad Ass" Male Shepard is...  or getting the tongue slipped to him by some random woman.  For males it seems to be a means to enhance the prototypical macho image and for women it's about how they're HAWT or not taken seriously.

I remember some Fable II players complaining that as their female character became stronger, she began to look more muscular and masculine, and I believe that no longer happens in Fable III. There seems to be an attitide that the athletic female body is unattractive and that the male hero has to look like a body builder. I wonder if future Bioware games should provide for diverse body types that ignores the VG RPG norm.

EDIT: Tying it back into the thread topic, I wonder how many people, for personal preferances or for "fun," would like to design an effeminate male Shepard or a masculine female Shepard, especially now that all sexual choices are open. It need not be stereotypical, I appreciated how masculine Aveline fell in love with a man. Until Donnic, I assumed that Bioware had placed a "Lesbian! Here!" sign over her head.

It would be nice to have more physical builds for female and male characters.  Until than I'm sick of bad ass female marines having to deal with creepy flirting and scenes where males question her abilities.  Personally I wish there was a krogan head butt interupt whenever such a scene comes up.

[Nashiktal]

Abispa wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

One must point out that all the male differences involve how "Bad Ass" Male Shepard is...  or getting the tongue slipped to him by some random woman.  For males it seems to be a means to enhance the prototypical macho image and for women it's about how they're HAWT or not taken seriously.

I remember some Fable II players complaining that as their female character became stronger, she began to look more muscular and masculine, and I believe that no longer happens in Fable III. There seems to be an attitide that the athletic female body is unattractive and that the male hero has to look like a body builder. I wonder if future Bioware games should provide for diverse body types that ignores the VG RPG norm.

EDIT: Tying it back into the thread topic, I wonder how many people, for personal preferances or for "fun," would like to design an effeminate male Shepard or a masculine female Shepard, especially now that all sexual choices are open. It need not be stereotypical, I appreciated how masculine Aveline fell in love with a man. Until Donnic, I assumed that Bioware had placed a "Lesbian! Here!" sign over her head.

You are kinda downplaying the transformation in fable2. In fable 2, if you play a woman and put more than one point into strength... You turn from shapely woman, into hulk hogan mashed with the hulk. You lose your breasts to a rippling chest, your muscles get obscenely large, and you lose all shape.

While you have another hero in the game, Hanna (AKA Hammer) who has large muscles (like the hero, only it works on her), is masculine, while still being a woman. Hanna was my favorite hero in that game, and indeed one of my favorite female hero's in gaming.