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[shepskisaac]

jlb524 wrote...
Well, it all speaks to the double standard:  it's okay when homosexual PCs have heterosexual flirtations/themes thrust upon them (it doesn't bother me, though)  but the reverse is not okay...for some, even having possible gay content that they the player must initiate is unfair and unacceptable to them.

Seriously. Did anyone ever see these guys complaining how Liara was throwing herself at FemShep?

[Puzzlewell]

Maria Caliban wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

For some reason I seem to remember Shiala making a pass at femshep.

A really awkward one at that.

 I guess I either didn't choose the right lines to get her to flirt, or my memory is fading. If it's Paragon based though I haven't played my Paragon FemShep since the game came out so that would explain why I can't remember it. I'll take a peek on Youtube later to refresh my memory... 

Modifié par CalamityRanger, 28 juin 2011 - 08:29 .

[Siven80]

Personally i dont mind if an npc hits on me or not, no matter the gender (I'm straight for what its worth). In fact its quite satisfying when people hit on you, bit of an ego boost.
A simple no thanks or im not gay/straight reply can deter advances you dont want and flag yourself as offlimits ingame to any others.

The thing i dont like is when characters have no direction or are changed to appease some customers. To me someones sexuality helps define them and having npc's with a defined sexuality improves their character. I also find it more realistic, and im sure thats what many of us want in regards companion interactions. Right?

DA2 failed in its romances because imo all romanceable characters werent fully defined other than Isabella who describes herself as open minded and a flirt. The others were just so weak and imo lacked direction.

I do think there should be more s/s romances in games, i'm all for it as theres no reason it shouldnt be in the game, but that doesnt mean make every romanceable character available for all sexuality types, as in the end it makes them lack direction, is unrealistic and is just cheap.....in my opinion.

Modifié par Siven80, 28 juin 2011 - 08:28 .

[Maria Caliban]

IsaacShep wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Well, it all speaks to the double standard:  it's okay when homosexual PCs have heterosexual flirtations/themes thrust upon them (it doesn't bother me, though)  but the reverse is not okay...for some, even having possible gay content that they the player must initiate is unfair and unacceptable to them.

Seriously. Did anyone ever see these guys complaining how Liara was throwing herself at FemShep?

I saw a large number of people complain about just that. Even people who ended up romancing her commented on how 'desperate' she seemed. I recall one person who said he expected to come in and find Liara chasing Shepard around the engine room, ripping his clothes off.

I'd say the double standard at work is that usually people complain about the LI's when they first meet them (Isabela is a ****! Fenris is emo anime elf!) or after the game comes out. Rarely do people complain about the possible romance hitting on them months before the game comes out.

CalamityRanger wrote...

 I guess I either didn't choose the right lines to get her to flirt, or my memory is fading. If it's Paragon based though I haven't played my Paragon FemShep since the game came out so that would explain why I can't remember it. I'll take a peek on Youtube later to refresh my memory... 

I played paragon, so that might be it.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 28 juin 2011 - 09:16 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'd say the double standard at work is that usually people complain about the LI's when they first meet them (Isabela is a ****! Fenris is emo anime elf!) or after the game comes out. Rarely do people complain about the possible romance hitting on them months before the game comes out.

Do you think anyone really thinks about possible LIs hitting on them before they actually see it in the game? Obviously it sticks in peoples' minds (I've seen quite a few people who seem to think that both Anders and Fenris wouldn't stop coming on to their Hawkes), but I don't really think it is thought about beforehand. I know I expected flirtatious behavior from Isabela, but that's because I knew that she was that way back in DAO. I never played DAA though, so I came in with no preconceptions about Anders. When he pushed the issue, I just selected the heartbreak icon.

[Rinji the Bearded]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'd say the double standard at work is that usually people complain about the LI's when they first meet them (Isabela is a ****! Fenris is emo anime elf!) or after the game comes out. Rarely do people complain about the possible romance hitting on them months before the game comes out.

Do you think anyone really thinks about possible LIs hitting on them before they actually see it in the game? Obviously it sticks in peoples' minds (I've seen quite a few people who seem to think that both Anders and Fenris wouldn't stop coming on to their Hawkes), but I don't really think it is thought about beforehand. I know I expected flirtatious behavior from Isabela, but that's because I knew that she was that way back in DAO. I never played DAA though, so I came in with no preconceptions about Anders. When he pushed the issue, I just selected the heartbreak icon.

No I should be able to choose for him to never hit on me, because the game is about my the majority's  preferences, no one else's!

[AngelicMachinery]

RinjiRenee wrote...

*snip*

Cuteness!

[Master Shiori]

RinjiRenee wrote...

No I should be able to choose for him to never hit on me, because the game is about my the majority's  preferences, no one else's!

Well, you can decline his advances. And it's not common in Bioware games for the npc to take the first step and try to initiate a relationship. Usualy that's up to the player.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Master Shiori wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

No I should be able to choose for him to never hit on me, because the game is about my the majority's  preferences, no one else's!

Well, you can decline his advances. And it's not common in Bioware games for the npc to take the first step and try to initiate a relationship. Usualy that's up to the player.

Well, according to some people on these forums, him hitting on you at all was a violation of their rights.

[Maria Caliban]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'd say the double standard at work is that usually people complain about the LI's when they first meet them (Isabela is a ****! Fenris is emo anime elf!) or after the game comes out. Rarely do people complain about the possible romance hitting on them months before the game comes out.

Do you think anyone really thinks about possible LIs hitting on them before they actually see it in the game?

There was a thread last week about the possibility that Kaiden might hit on DudeShep and how horrible that would be. So, yes.

Obviously it sticks in peoples' minds (I've seen quite a few people who seem to think that both Anders and Fenris wouldn't stop coming on to their Hawkes), but I don't really think it is thought about beforehand.

There have also been threads on this board asking for a 'sexual orientation' toggle. Specifically, so that male posters would never be hit on or propositioned by male LIs.

Yes, some people are thinking about this and dislike the possibility.

I know I expected flirtatious behavior from Isabela, but that's because I knew that she was that way back in DAO. I never played DAA though, so I came in with no preconceptions about Anders. When he pushed the issue, I just selected the heartbreak icon.

I'm going to suggest that the attitudes and exceptions of a bisexual woman might be different then that of a straight man.

[Ryzaki]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

No I should be able to choose for him to never hit on me, because the game is about my the majority's  preferences, no one else's!

Well, you can decline his advances. And it's not common in Bioware games for the npc to take the first step and try to initiate a relationship. Usualy that's up to the player.

Well, according to some people on these forums, him hitting on you at all was a violation of their rights.

 

Frankly I think it's annoying no matter what gender is doing the hitting on. 

[Rinji the Bearded]

Ryzaki wrote...

Frankly I think it's annoying no matter what gender is doing the hitting on. 

Apparently it's only offensive if it's a man hitting on another man, though.  Every other time must be natural, right?

[hoorayforicecream]

Maria Caliban wrote...
I'm going to suggest that the attitudes and exceptions of a bisexual woman might be different then that of a straight man.

This appears to be the crux of the matter, though I do admit that I've seen a good number of complaints about Isabela's advances too. However, I get the distinct feeling that it wasn't her advances themselves that bothered them, but aspects of Isabela's character (how she's openly sexually promiscuous) that made them uncomfortable when she made her flirtations.

I'm really not sure how they can go about fixing this though; it's a double standard because it's widely accepted among gamer culture that girl on girl is hot. That's not something Bioware can really change (though I do applaud them for making Isabela and Merrill's relationship so loving and sisterly in DA2, compared to the more stereotypical catty possessiveness in DAO between Leliana and Morrigan).

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...
Frankly I think it's annoying no matter what gender is doing the hitting on.

Frankly, it is completly puzzling to me how can people be so annoyed/offended/pissed by something that is an expression of appreciation Not to mention it's coming from virtual characers Which is why I never understood ninjamancing complaints. To me it's just part of the story and characters, like every aspect.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 28 juin 2011 - 10:00 .

[ArawnNox]

I'm kinda postulating that this phobic backlash is a result of ME2's mechanics being tooled to attract the FPS crowd, who are, largely, fowl-mouthed teens.
Yes, ironic that I'm making a broad steriotyped generalization about a demographic who are doing the same.

[HopHazzard]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Frankly I think it's annoying no matter what gender is doing the hitting on.

Frankly, it is completly puzzling to me how can people be so annoyed/offended/pissed by something that is an expression of appreciation Not to mention it's coming from virtual characers Which is why I never understood ninjamancing complaints. To me it's just part of the story and characters, like every aspect.

Getting ninja-manced isn't the same as getting hit on. Getting ninja-manced means you've entered into a relationship with another character without realizing it. That's just bad writing (although stupidity on the part of the player does enter into the equation as well).

[ArawnNox]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Frankly I think it's annoying no matter what gender is doing the hitting on.

Frankly, it is completly puzzling to me how can people be so annoyed/offended/pissed by something that is an expression of appreciation Not to mention it's coming from virtual characers Which is why I never understood ninjamancing complaints. To me it's just part of the story and characters, like every aspect.

I think "Ninjamancing" has changed from it's original intent. I was under the impression that it reffered to romance flags getting set in Leliana's romance when they shouldn't have been, or applied to seemingly innocuous lines.

[lazuli]

Ryzaki wrote...
Frankly I think it's annoying no matter what gender is doing the hitting on. 

And yet isn't it nice to have a little variety among squadmate romances?  Should it all be talk, talk, Paragon choice, loyalty, talk, sex?  It adds variety to have some squadmates take the initiative, if nothing else.  I thought the romances in DA:O featured enough variety in this regard.  ME2?  Not so much.

[Roachbugg]

as a gay man i do not see what having another man hit on you is bad maybe my straight friends are an uber minority but the are flattered when i hit on them. They always say gay men have much better standards than straight women *no offense st8 ladies!*

And perhaps im also a in a minority who likes being hit on. But im against being hit on or ninja molested by asari with out interrupts or ability to say whoa! back off. or by any one for that manner that should be just as in real life if you get hit on you should POLITLEY say hey hold there horses just my two cents take it or leave *shrugs*

But i suppose bioware catering to the shooter crowd did not help us either i know what that crow is like. Loud mouthed rude offensive narrow minded teens and its not a generalization asa Gaymer i get treated like poo on shooters.

[bleetman]

ArawnNox wrote...

I think "Ninjamancing" has changed from it's original intent. I was under the impression that it reffered to romance flags getting set in Leliana's romance when they shouldn't have been, or applied to seemingly innocuous lines.

Or her just plain confessing her love for the player character completely out of the blue. That was great fun the first time, what with her followup talk brimming with hurt expressions and accusations of how my warden was leading Alistair on.

Good times.

[Maugrim]

HopHazzard wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Frankly I think it's annoying no matter what gender is doing the hitting on.

Frankly, it is completly puzzling to me how can people be so annoyed/offended/pissed by something that is an expression of appreciation Not to mention it's coming from virtual characers Which is why I never understood ninjamancing complaints. To me it's just part of the story and characters, like every aspect.

Getting ninja-manced isn't the same as getting hit on. Getting ninja-manced means you've entered into a relationship with another character without realizing it. That's just bad writing (although stupidity on the part of the player does enter into the equation as well).

It's not a ninja-mance if the player is stupid though   Like those boys complaining about the Antivan massage Zervan offered them...really?



The only real ninjamances in the Bioware games were in ME1 with Liara and Ashley.  This was usually only a problem if you weren't trying to romance anyone at all because if you accidentally romanced both you'd usually get the confrontation scene where you can make your choice.  Even after that you could shut them down at the locker scene or deny them at the night before Ilos.   

At no point does Ander's ninjamance anyone, thanks to the heart icons.  He acts like the desperate needy fellow he is and if you shut him down once he stays shut down. Leliana and Alistair get a few complaints but they are both the types to take the least bit of kindness and non-romantic interest the wrong way.  I would deliberately tease Alistair all the time and he took it as romantic interest...this is where tone icons can be handy

Sometimes NPC do things we don't like, as indicated in their names because they aren't controlled by us.  Now if you want to advocate for such writings not to happen that's your business but personally I have no metagame problem with any character hitting on my PC as long as it's in character.  My response will depend on my character as well

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 28 juin 2011 - 10:19 .

[Ryzaki]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Frankly I think it's annoying no matter what gender is doing the hitting on. 

Apparently it's only offensive if it's a man hitting on another man, though.  Every other time must be natural, right?

 

When did I say that?  Tali hitting on my dude Shep made me headdesk and screw up her loyalty mission to avoid it. Kaidan would likely lead to the same reaction. 

I might try siding with Legion during the fight a few times too. 

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Frankly I think it's annoying no matter what gender is doing the hitting on.

Frankly, it is completly puzzling to me how can people be so annoyed/offended/pissed by something that is an expression of appreciation Not to mention it's coming from virtual characers Which is why I never understood ninjamancing complaints. To me it's just part of the story and characters, like every aspect.

 

And that's why people are different. 

Ninjamancing is irksome but not the same thing though the "oh I like you!" usually precludes ninjamancing if one's not careful. I don't want to get stuck in a romance, have to reject someone then get no more dialogue. That's just awkward. If you don't care you don't. I do. 

lazuli wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Frankly I think it's annoying no matter what gender is doing the hitting on. 

And yet isn't it nice to have a little variety among squadmate romances?  Should it all be talk, talk, Paragon choice, loyalty, talk, sex?  It adds variety to have some squadmates take the initiative, if nothing else.  I thought the romances in DA:O featured enough variety in this regard.  ME2?  Not so much.

 

No it isn't. I don't mind variation I do not want someone's feelings (especially not on a military vessel where people shouldn't be confessing to me out of the blue anyhow) shoved downmy throat. It's a video game. Some parts of reality are better left out. Not to mention there's those that have no interest in the romances period. Why force it on them? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 juin 2011 - 10:21 .

[jlb524]

makenzieshepard wrote...
It's not a ninja-mance if the player is stupid though   Like those boys complaining about the Antivan massage Zervan offered them...really?

Well, it could mean...um...aaaa....

makenzieshepard wrote...
The only real ninjamances in the Bioware games were in ME1 with Liara and Ashley.  This was usually only a problem if you weren't trying to romance anyone at all because if you accidentally romanced both you'd usually get the confrontation scene where you can make your choice.  Even after that you could shut them down at the locker scene or deny them at the night before Ilos.   

And Leliana (happened to me once...it was painful b/c I was forcing myself to romance Morrigan).

Also, with Liara, you can't turn her down at the locker....if you get the ninjamance, it sticks....until breaking up in DLC.

[HopHazzard]

Something is really wrong with the way the romance works in ME1. I had all of two conversations with Ashley, wasn't particularly nice to her and took every opportunity to tell her that her hitting on me was unprofessional and I still got the confrontation scene.

In my first playthrough of ME2, I ended up ninja-mancing Jack. I was just trying to be nice and take an interest in her as a person!

[Ryzaki]

With any of the LIs I don't think turning them down after a certain point does anything. I turned down Ash at(it was Ilos not the locker room) and I still was considered in a romance * 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 juin 2011 - 10:22 .