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[shepskisaac]

I can't believe Kaidan's really happening! Waited so long, after it got cut from ME1 I almost thought it would never be brought back but thankfully for BW it was always a part of him as proved by allowing ManShep to finally romance him when it became possible again with ME3! Thank you BW! <3

Modifié par IsaacShep, 29 juin 2011 - 04:08 .

[AngelicMachinery]

IsaacShep wrote...

I can't believe Kaidan's really happening! Waited so long, after it got cut from ME1 I almost thought it would never be brought back but thankfully for BW it was always a part of him as proved by allowing ManShep to finally romance him when it became possible again with ME3! Thank you BW! <3

It's been 100% confirmed?

[shepskisaac]

AngelicMachinery wrote...
It's been 100% confirmed?

Not by the devs no, but Raphael Sbarge, Kaidan's voice, confirmed BW wrote it

[Siansonea]

You should link to that other thread Isaac. But yeah, based on what Raphael Sbarge has said, it's being implemented at BioWare on some level, and it might make the final cut if they're already working on it. They certainly can't claim "time constraints" this time around. 

[ElitePinecone]

Call me pessimistic or hard-headed, but I'm still not entirely sure that Sbarge was even confident in what he was saying.

We've only heard a rough description, but even in that he prefaced his comments by saying that he *thought* he'd heard something about it being in the game (and that he had no trouble with it, yadda yadda).

I hate to burst bubbles, but that's not confirmation. It's a whole lot better than nothing, but it isn't confirmation. It's positive, and it makes me fairly sure it'll be in the game, but it's far from certain.

Until Bioware says it one way or another I wouldn't want to tempt disappointment with unfounded optimism.

[ArawnNox]

From what I've heard, they extended development time, right? So, we should get all the content, this time around, rather than it getting cut. *crosses fingers*

I mean, thats what kept us from getting s/s romances since ME 1, yes?

[Wittand25]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Call me pessimistic or hard-headed, but I'm still not entirely sure that Sbarge was even confident in what he was saying.

We've only heard a rough description, but even in that he prefaced his comments by saying that he *thought* he'd heard something about it being in the game (and that he had no trouble with it, yadda yadda).

I hate to burst bubbles, but that's not confirmation. It's a whole lot better than nothing, but it isn't confirmation. It's positive, and it makes me fairly sure it'll be in the game, but it's far from certain.

Until Bioware says it one way or another I wouldn't want to tempt disappointment with unfounded optimism.

You are  right.
In fact even the table reads for the relationships only started this week, so the romances were not even written (and are still not in their final version even now) at the time those fans asked Sbarge about it.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Wittand25 wrote...

You are  right.
In fact even the table reads for the relationships only started this week, so the romances were not even written (and are still not in their final version even now) at the time those fans asked Sbarge about it.

I think he's already been reading his scripts, though, so if they were to approach him about a possible s/s romance, they would have done so before the reads began.  It's by no means confirmed but the fact that he was even aware of it tells me that he had to have known something.

Or, if he hasn't read his scripts, they have at least contacted him about something, or else I doubt he would have even said he knew anything.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 29 juin 2011 - 06:26 .

[shepskisaac]

ElitePinecone wrote...
We've only heard a rough description, but even in that he prefaced his comments by saying that he *thought* he'd heard something about it being in the game (and that he had no trouble with it, yadda yadda).

No, both accounts quote him saying that it was BW that told him about the s/s romance and that they've either already wrote it or already writing.

Wittand25 wrote...
You are  right. In fact even the table reads for the relationships only started this week, so the romances were not even written (and are still not in their final version even now) at the time those fans asked Sbarge about it.

Which goes in line what MarqueAZ quoted him to say "I believe they're still writing it".

Modifié par IsaacShep, 29 juin 2011 - 08:52 .

[Abispa]

StarsInMyEyes wrote...

Goodness, I can't believe what I am reading. I hope that BW finds a way to make the s/s romances classy, not a mere roll in the engine room. If they make Miranda a s/s LI I might have to break Liara's heart, I hate to do it but Miranda is a dream.

I hope the s/s romances fits the characters.

Tali I picture in something similar to "The Age of Innocence," though ME2's let's get it on with magic Mordin sex gel ruined any chance for such a tragic and touching love scene for male Shepard.

Miranda and Ashley both strike me as predominantly heterosexual women who MAY be open to some s/s action with a woman they love and respect, but I see their relationships as being more "It's been fun!" rather than a long term commitment.

Garrus s/s may make sense if Turian warriors are similar to Spartans in their view of sex and unit cohesion.

Wrex is a Zevran waiting to break free, but Grunt is a minor so we won't go there.

I'm curious to see if Kelly gets any real time in ME3.

Kaidan actually struck me as being a full blown romantic option for either sex, and I always found it odd and artificial that a s/s option wasn't available in the first game.

Joker strikes me as someone who has always ignored romance but when it hits it falls on him like a load of bricks. Probably the type of guy who'll try to say something "cool" or "silly" when the mood calls for him being serious.

I'm not going to restart an argument over Jack, but I believe she and Samara have made their positions clear.

Thane also strikes me as a bisexual being that seemed artificially limited to a heterosexual option.

LEGION would just be a vibrator that won't shut up and EDI would be very, very sad and stereotypical nerdy sci fi.

I have no read on Jacob for s/s, Zaeed or Kasumi for any romance. Even Kasumi's interest in Jacob seemed superficial.

EDIT: For grammar. Maybe.

Modifié par Abispa, 29 juin 2011 - 09:08 .

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[King Gigglez]

Man... I was hoping for a SS relation ship with Grunt... don't get why every one liked Kaidan he seemed like a wimp too me... and well I have a feeling most Krogans are bi, actually I am willing to place a bet on that!

[ArawnNox]

Hmm... *takes off s/s fanboy hat and puts on flimmaker hat*

Well, looking at each character in turn, lets postulate on how s/s fits to the character.

Available Love Interests

Liara - Already established that gender (both in terms of role and biology) holds no real meaning to the asari species. Considering unions outside their species are encouraged, they would naturally have little qualms regarding the biological gender of thier partner. Since Liara is already an s/s option and a romance from ME 1, there's little to discuss.

Ashley - A character we know a lot about, but also so little. We know she comes from a strong military family and holds firm belifs in a higher power and an afterlife. Many have jumped to the conclusion that Faith = Christiantiy = Catholosism =  Straight, which any rational mind will tell you is not always true. That discussion is riddled with flame bait, but lets accept the fact that we don't know what form of dogma her faith takes. So, could Ash be open to a same-sex relationship? Not having played through her romance with Male-Shepard, I have to admit I'm not much of an authority, but I'm willing to bet that, if handled in such a way that "She never considered it until she was given the option." it could work and not be detrimental to her characterization up to this point. If, instead we get an "I was always interested." That would be harder to believe.

Kaidan - Another victim of "Planned for Same-Sex, but dropped", like Ashley. Talking about this is tough, as he's all but confirmed for s/s in ME 3. However, how does this impact the character? As many have said, Kaiden could simply have assumed that a male Shepard wouldn't be interested. It's possible, Kaidan certainly comes off as awkward in interpersonal relationships. He's all too ready to miss-read female Shepard's freindlyness as romantic interest. Really, apart from his biotic boot camp story, we know next to nothing about Kaidan as a person and s/s availabilty won't hurt his character.

Miranda - Strong, self-confident, and closed off. Could Miranda be interested in a female Shepard, just like she is in a male Shepard? It's tough for me to say. I haven't done any of the ME2 romances yet, so my personal knowledge is lacking (its also been a while since I played through the game). Her past, outside Cerberus, is nebulous. We don't know if she may have gone through an experimentation phase or not. Thats neither here nor there, but, she could be open to both, but shows a preference for men. So much of her character is stil up in the air, at the end of ME 2, that theres ample room for her to be open to both sexes. Does it hurt her character? It depends on how it's handled and what it does to the character. If she becomes clingy and dependant on Shepard, then that's going to hurt the character. I could see it being similar to Ashley in a "I didn't know you were intrested." way.

Jack - I used to think that her not being a same-sex option was silly, considering she was a confessed bisexual. However, others have pointed out that the relationship she was in as exploitive. Jack seems to prefer men. While not being against women as a rule, but if she was given the choice, she'd opt for a male partner. Thats the vibe I'm getting. Making her available to a female Shepard would invalidate a lot of her disinterest that has already been displayed. Could she change her mind? Maybe.

Tali - Of all the unavailble-turned-available LI's, he lack of a same-sex option makes the least amount of sense. He's was written as a case of hero-worship turning into romantic-interest. The writing that had her always being into male shep did a disservice to that development and to Tali. Theres little logical argument that she should be only interested in Male shep. If anything, Tali is one of the ones who could probably be described as Shepard-Sexual. But then, if LotSB is to be belived, she might also have a thing for humans in general.

Jacob - I'll admit a level of bias against Jacob as I think he's a poorly realized character. Now, his same-sex viablility. He seems to come off as more interested in women anyway, given his past with Miranda. However, he did have a "its not you, it's me" style break up with her, maybe he harbors some repressed homosexual feelings? Thats pure conjecture, but it points out that the opportunity is there. Can it be done and not hurt the character? Possibly.

Thane - Again, another character I didn't like and didn't delve into a whole lot. I'm not sure what to say here. Is his race open to such things? Is he? He had a wife and has a son. Could and should he be available for s/s? I'm not convinced, but others who know more about him can probably fill in my blanks.

Garrus - This one will be short. Garrus has said he wasn't into humans and it takes a come-on from Shepard to make him consider it. Being of the same gender seems like small peas in comparison. Making him a s/s option wouldnt really impact his character in any negative way, really.

Psuedo-Romances

Kelly - The girl with the big heard and open mind. There's little to discuss as she seemingly swings in every direction. For those who were endeared to her, a fully realized romance would be nice.

Samara - In ME 2, all advances are halted due to Samara's adhearance to the code. Can Justicars give up their lifestyles? I dont know. Could it happen for Shepard? Maybe.

Mornith - That's just hazardous to your health.

Other Squad Members

Wrex - Um... considering his focus on repopulating the Krogan, I don't think he'd be interested.

Grunt - He just went through puberty... yeah... (though, Shep should be able to follow up on that mating request following the Thresher Maw encounter )

Moradin - I donno, as a salarian he can't have a lot of good years left in him and from what I recall, salarian mating isn't exactly done for emotional reasons. Nore is Moradin particularly interested.

Legion - What is this? I dont even?


(Yeah, I kinda ran out of steam at the end)

[shepskisaac]

EDIT: nevermind

Modifié par IsaacShep, 29 juin 2011 - 10:35 .

[King Gigglez]

ArawnNox wrote...

Legion - What is this? I dont even?

Do you have a problem with Robosexuality? 

[ArawnNox]

King Gigglez wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Legion - What is this? I dont even?

Do you have a problem with Robosexuality? 

OMG! I'm a robophobe! *flails*

[King Gigglez]

ArawnNox wrote...

King Gigglez wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Legion - What is this? I dont even?

Do you have a problem with Robosexuality? 

OMG! I'm a robophobe! *flails*

It's all right... we all have are flaws ^v^ Even though it would never happen... but a romance with Legion would be so... EPIC! almost as epic as a S/S relation ship with Grunt >v<

[Dhiro]

You guys really shouldn't get your hopes that high for a m/m Kaidanmance.

[King Gigglez]

Dhiro wrote...

You guys really shouldn't get your hopes that high for a m/m Kaidanmance.

I don't even want a m/m Kaidan Romance! I don't see the point in why he is so popular...! All of my bi/gay friends agree with me (I have a good 50 or so online... got to love the internet!) Anyway Kaidan is just not that awesome, plus he is killable in ME1 so it really limits the choices -v-

[shepskisaac]

Dhiro wrote...
You guys really shouldn't get your hopes that high for a m/m Kaidanmance.

His voice actor said it's gonna happen (as told by BW). "Kinda" hard not to get hopes up in such case.

King Gigglez wrote...
I don't even want a m/m Kaidan Romance! I don't see the point in why he is so popular...! All of my bi/gay friends agree with me (I have a good 50 or so online... got to love the internet!) Anyway Kaidan is just not that awesome, plus he is killable in ME1 so it really limits the choices -v-

And all of my bi/gay friends want Kaidan. It's fine you don't like him, you don't need to see why he's so popular nor think he's awesome, it's all personal preferences, but you can't change the fact he's hugely popular and most gay guys want him for s/s romance. Also, Grunt is killable in as well (in ME2). And actually you can even never wake him up so. Not to mention at least one entirely new male s/s LI is confirmed for ME3 so no one will be deprived of a possibility to have a s/s romance even if he killed every male character in ME1 & ME2.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 29 juin 2011 - 11:11 .

[King Gigglez]

IsaacShep wrote...
Not to mention at least one entirely new male s/s LI is confirmed for ME3 so no one will be deprived of a possibility to have a s/s romance even if he killed every male character in ME1 & ME2.

Wait so... Kaiden can be S/S and then there would be a second S/S M/M LI? I thought there was only going to be one?! *jumps and does a backflip in celabration* I can understand partly why he is popular... I just dont see him as gay or bi, same thing with Garrus... I love him to death, but I know that he won't be a M/M relationship... he just doesn't seem like it... Well at least that is the most common argument against Garrus for a M/M relationship...

Me <3 Garrus to Death!

[KawaiiKatie]

ArawnNox wrote...

King Gigglez wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Legion - What is this? I dont even?

Do you have a problem with Robosexuality? 

OMG! I'm a robophobe! *flails*

Hey, I have no problem with robosexuals, but making Legion robosexual would ruin his character! He showed no interest in Shepard throughout ME2, and I don't want him suddenly comimg on to me in ME3! It would ruin our epic ro-bromance! Like I said, I have no problem with robosexuals, but robomances should be restricted to new robotic characters. I don't want to see Legion butchered like that.

[/hopefully obvious satire]

[Dhiro]

IsaacShep wrote...

Dhiro wrote...
You guys really shouldn't get your hopes that high for a m/m Kaidanmance.

His voice actor said it's gonna happen (as told by BW). "Kinda" hard not to get hopes up in such case.

Voice actors say many things. I have no idea how people are getting the impression that it is going to happen just from what he says.

But of course, I'm spoiling the fun. Go on, then.