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#3101
King Gigglez

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KawaiiKatie wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

King Gigglez wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Legion - What is this? I dont even?

Do you have a problem with Robosexuality? :pinched:


OMG! I'm a robophobe! *flails*



Hey, I have no problem with robosexuals, but making Legion robosexual would ruin his character! He showed no interest in Shepard throughout ME2, and I don't want him suddenly comimg on to me in ME3! It would ruin our epic ro-bromance! Like I said, I have no problem with robosexuals, but robomances should be restricted to new robotic characters. I don't want to see Legion butchered like that.

[/hopefully obvious satire]

Actually... he does take intrest in Shepard, well hints to it... Once you beat the game if you talk to him the right way, he starts to stumble and side step the questions... which at least to me would signal he is interested in Shepard.... but that could just be my viewpoint of Legion >v< And yes I do agree it would butcher his character... but it would be so awesome! The best butcher ever! >v<

#3102
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Dhiro wrote...
Voice actors say many things. I have no idea how people are getting the impression that it is going to happen just from what he says.

He said that it was BW that told him about Kaidan s/s romance and that they've already wrote it. I mean, why would he say it if it wasn't the case? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

King Gigglez wrote...
Wait so... Kaiden can be S/S and then there would be a second S/S M/M LI? I thought there was only going to be one?! *jumps and does a backflip in celabration*

Yes, Casey Hudson tweeted:

Some game sites saying "previously straight chars now available for both m&f chars" not necessarily true. Will have some new LI's in #ME3
twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/70154686367404032

This tweet basically onfirms that not all previous LIs will be available for s/s romance, only some (Kaidan being one of them most likely) and that there'll be some entirely new s/s LIs as well (Vega is considered the likliest candidate but it's purely speculation at this point).

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#3103
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I'm just going to say it bluntly, Garrus had a hard and awkward enough time in a romance with a femshep. When I imagine maleshep coming on to him, I see him throwing himself out of an airlock. However, if it is written, I expect it to be as awkward and embarassing if not more than femshep's relationship.

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IsaacShep wrote...

Dhiro wrote...
Voice actors say many things. I have no idea how people are getting the impression that it is going to happen just from what he says.

He said that it was BW that told him about Kaidan s/s romance and that they've already wrote it. I mean, why would he say it if it wasn't the case? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

Are you talking about this:

A podcaster asked if
he was going to be recording lines for m/m romance, and he confirmed it
and said he was all for it.


Because if so, I don't really see any confirmation. That said, I'm not up to date with all the information, I'm missing something?

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Unpleasant Implications wrote...

I'm just going to say it bluntly, Garrus had a hard and awkward enough time in a romance with a femshep. When I imagine maleshep coming on to him, I see him throwing himself out of an airlock. However, if it is written, I expect it to be as awkward and embarassing if not more than femshep's relationship.


Yes, because suicide is preferable to homosexual advances. Thank you.

.......your name is very fitting, good sir or madam. "Unpleasant Implications" indeed.

But I agree with your overall point that Garrus' relationship with manShep would be just as awkward as his relationship with femShep. I'm not sure if it would be more awkward, considering that Garrus seems more focused on Shepard's species than his/her gender, but if male Shepard made a move on Garrus, I can easily see Garrus having a "Wait, what?" moment very similiar to femShep's first flirtations.

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IsaacShep wrote...
This tweet basically onfirms that not all previous LIs will be available for s/s romance, only some (Kaidan being one of them most likely) and that there'll be some entirely new s/s LIs as well (Vega is considered the likliest candidate but it's purely speculation at this point).

That is awesome! I didn't know about that! (I don't have twiiter so... also I didn't look into the full details) But now I am really excited! I hope it is a Raloi member >v< I would of die happiness!

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

I'm just going to say it bluntly, Garrus had a hard and awkward enough time in a romance with a femshep. When I imagine maleshep coming on to him, I see him throwing himself out of an airlock. However, if it is written, I expect it to be as awkward and embarassing if not more than femshep's relationship.


It would be akward... but at the same moments doesn't everyone have those akward moments in a relationship at least once in their lives? I would love to see how it is written! ^v^

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Dhiro wrote...
That said, I'm not up to date with all the information, I'm missing something?

Yup: social.bioware.com/group/4616/discussion/15972/

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IsaacShep wrote...

Dhiro wrote...
That said, I'm not up to date with all the information, I'm missing something?

Yup: social.bioware.com/group/4616/discussion/15972/


Closed group. But I'll take your word, then.

#3109
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Dhiro wrote...
Closed group. But I'll take your word, then.

The only thing you need to do to view is click "Join". It's a big post, but if you really don't want to join the group I'll paste it here:

Raphael Sbarge (the voice of Kaidan) was a guest at Albuquerque Comic Expo where he confirmed there will be s/s romance with Kaidan for MaleSheps at the Voice Acting panel (Friday, June 24th, 2pm)!

Two people independently informed us about it.

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The first person was the one who asked Raphael the question about Kaidan's s/s romance in ME3 at the panel, from "Talk Nerdy To Me" podcast group:

https://twitter.com/...362040130551808

You heard it first here from Talk Nerdy To Me at the ACE that you CAN pursue an intimate relationship with Kaidan Alenko as male Shepherd.

https://twitter.com/...363839591813120

Voice/Actor Raphael Sbarge who voices Kaidan Alenko has confirmed that you can pursue an intimate relationship with him as male Shepherd

https://twitter.com/...770404333404160

he said bioware wrote it into the game that it is possible and that he likes that they did that

Listen to the Episode #2 of the "Talk Nerdy To Me Podcast" to hear the podcaster talk about asking the question about Kaidan s/s romance and Raphael's answer to it: http://www.planetidl...pisode_Two.html (starts at around 17:10) *note: this is NOT an actual audio from the panel but the podcaster's retelling!

Picture of the podcaster with Raphael: (source)
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The second person to confirm it was MarqueAZ from BSN:

Marque's first post: (source & full post)

Met Raphael Sbarge at Albuquerque Comic Expo (going on through this Sunday). [...] Mass Effect 3 Update from him: For those wondering, he has started recording his lines. He's definitely not done yet. A podcaster asked if he was going to be recording lines for m/m romance, and he confirmed it and said he was all for it. (He said voice actors prefer emotional scenes, and not 'screamy' scenes.. like being on a dragon and screaming :P I wasn't sure what that reference was).

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Marque's second post - MORE DETAILED AND ACCURATE RECOUNT: (source & full post)

Since there is a big deal about the S/S coming up which is partly my fault (had no idea the news would be so big for you all!), I’ll paraphrase it as best as I can.

A podcaster (I forgot their name, but you all tracked down who it was!) introduced himself and asked Raphael “Let’s say I played a Male Shepard. In Mass Effect 3, would I be able to romance/engage a romance with you/Kaidan?” The audience chuckled a bit, and Raphael started to respond, then thought for a moment, then nodded a few times and said (paraphrasing). “You know! I think so! They mentioned it. I believe they’re still working on the writing.” Some people in the audience looked confused/amused, so he asserted: “Now, I’m all for it. I think it’s great.”



#3110
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Glad for those that wanted S/S Kaidan.

I always thought it believable for Kaidan to be Bi.

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it's kind of funny, but in a sweet way to see this smiling,unassuming, slightly pudgy guy with goofy hair as being Kaidan . But i love the voice nonetheless and it suits the character perfectly.
wonder if his wife plays ME . ;p
now i want to see the guy/or girl who drew Kaidan originally. Or are those figures team work ?
i really know nothing of the video game industry.

Modifié par xassantex, 30 juin 2011 - 12:46 .


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xassantex wrote...

it's kind of funny, but in a sweet way to see this smiling,unassuming, slightly pudgy guy with goofy hair as being Kaidan . But i love the voice nonetheless and it suits the character perfectly.
wonder if his wife plays ME . ;p

Actually, when with shorter hair he looks more like Kaidan :P
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xassantex wrote...
now i want to see the guy/or girl who drew Kaidan originally. Or are those figures team work ?
i really know nothing of the video game industry.

We *assume* Kaidan's face is scanned from some real-life model, like they did with the default Shepard (the one in your avatar). There's one guy who we think could've been the one to provide the face for Kaidan, but it was never confirmed, not even if Kaida really had a face model or is it an entirely fantasy face. Here's the guy we *think* could perhaps be real-life Kaidan, model Jeff Zalzali:
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BlaznZero wrote...

Glad for those that wanted S/S Kaidan.

I always thought it believable for Kaidan to be Bi.



Glad I killed him on Virmire :P

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ArawnNox wrote...

King Gigglez wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Legion - What is this? I dont even?

Do you have a problem with Robosexuality? :pinched:


OMG! I'm a robophobe! *flails*


I think the sexuality of all robots in ME1 and ME2 have been firmly established and any changes in ME3 will ruin the game and destroy my immersion. My immersion is important, damn you!

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Abispa wrote...

I think the sexuality of all robots in ME1 and ME2 have been firmly established and any changes in ME3 will ruin the game and destroy my immersion. My immersion is important, damn you!

Luckily none of the squad members have explicitly said they aren't gay dolphins, so I am still hoping for that gay dolphin squad mate.

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Abispa wrote...

I think the sexuality of all robots in ME1 and ME2 have been firmly established and any changes in ME3 will ruin the game and destroy my immersion. My immersion is important, damn you!


Changing my robots' sexuality would be wrong and therefore be a retcon.

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*Obligatory joke about how only one of them is doing all the moving*

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RinjiRenee wrote...

Abispa wrote...

I think the sexuality of all robots in ME1 and ME2 have been firmly established and any changes in ME3 will ruin the game and destroy my immersion. My immersion is important, damn you!


Changing my robots' sexuality would be wrong and therefore be a retcon.


Nothing is worse than ruining the believability of potential robot lovers.

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BlaznZero wrote...

Glad for those that wanted S/S Kaidan.

I always thought it believable for Kaidan to be Bi.

The good old gaydar always gave a suspiciously high reaction when Kaidan was around.

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lovgreno wrote...

The good old gaydar always gave a suspiciously high reaction when Kaidan was around.

Probably all that wiping the sweat off his brow every time you get near (lord knows picking at those holo controls all day long isn't back-breaking work). That, and he stays right outside your cabin, just in case.


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He said that it was BW that told him about Kaidan s/s romance and that they've already wrote it. I mean, why would he say it if it wasn't the case?

While I think Kaidan is the most likely gay male romance, and it'd be a shame to have BioWare not follow through on it, I will point out that the actor recording lines and those lines actually ending up in the game are two entirely different things.

You can be excited, sure, but cuts do happen. Until BioWare confirms the romances that will appear, there is no confirmation.

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ArawnNox wrote...


Garrus - This one will be short. Garrus has said he wasn't into humans and it takes a come-on from Shepard to make him consider it. Being of the same gender seems like small peas in comparison. Making him a s/s option wouldnt really impact his character in any negative way, really.



My thoughts exactly! Still want Garrus...

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devSin wrote...
 Until BioWare confirms the romances that will appear, there is no confirmation.


This is very much my perspective also. It would be premature to take Sbarge as complete confirmation, even if he were correct that he'd been told of a Kaidan s/s romance. 

I'm more confident about it than I was before the convention and his comments, but it's not anything like confirmation of it actually happening in the game. 

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I think we're going to need "Gay dolphin for S/S LI in ME3" banners. :lol: You folks make me so happy. :P

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IsaacShep wrote...

xassantex wrote...

it's kind of funny, but in a sweet way to see this smiling,unassuming, slightly pudgy guy with goofy hair as being Kaidan . But i love the voice nonetheless and it suits the character perfectly.
wonder if his wife plays ME . ;p

Actually, when with shorter hair he looks more like Kaidan :P


xassantex wrote...
now i want to see the guy/or girl who drew Kaidan originally. Or are those figures team work ?
i really know nothing of the video game industry.

We *assume* Kaidan's face is scanned from some real-life model, like they did with the default Shepard (the one in your avatar). There's one guy who we think could've been the one to provide the face for Kaidan, but it was never confirmed, not even if Kaida really had a face model or is it an entirely fantasy face. Here's the guy we *think* could perhaps be real-life Kaidan, model Jeff Zalzali:


thanks for that info. Sparge, with short hair and a couple years in a gym cold be quite hot,lol. and yeah, vaguely kaidanesque .
Zalzali does look very close to kaidan, though with a more bony look , more skinny . 
well if they just scan pics all the time no wonder they look so good, as opposed to Sheps we completely build  in the Lazarus lab!!! boy have i ended up with some scary zombies. 

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ElitePinecone wrote...

devSin wrote...
 Until BioWare confirms the romances that will appear, there is no confirmation.


This is very much my perspective also. It would be premature to take Sbarge as complete confirmation, even if he were correct that he'd been told of a Kaidan s/s romance. 

I'm more confident about it than I was before the convention and his comments, but it's not anything like confirmation of it actually happening in the game. 


This is kind of how I feel about it. I take it as a very good indicator of s/s Kaidan, (which hopefully will be handled very well) but not engraved in stone. It's interesting that BioWare is remaining mum on this, to me that's a tacit admission that Sbarge was on target. I think that if it was for sure NOT happening, we would have heard a retraction of some sort.

I'm just hoping that this isn't also an indicator that Ashley is automatically the f/f option. Not that I have a problem with s/s Ashley per se, I know she has a lot of fans. I'm just tired of the "Virmire Survivor As Single Quantum Character" thing. I know that Ash and Kaidan both have to get from Story Point A to Story Point B, but I'd like it if they took unique paths to get there. If we've got m/m Kaidan and f/f Ashley, it just reinforces that they're really just a composite character and not true individuals. Horizon "broke my immersion", if you will, because it played out so similarly with Ashley and Kaidan. They literally said the exact same lines in a few places. Do Not Want. Now in some situations there are some lines that should be the same, but that's not going to be that often, so I hope to whatever extent BioWare can bring back Kaidan and Ashley's individual personalities, they do so. 

If they do go this route of s/s VS, I at least hope the romance subplots play out very differently. Kaidan is more a "bottle of wine" type of guy, whereas Ashley is more of a tackle-and-glom type. Ash has feelings, certainly, but she expresses them through action for the most part. She's a woman of action, though I will expect some poetry thrown in for good measure. Kaidan is more talky. That's my take on the characters anyways. ;)

Modifié par Siansonea II, 30 juin 2011 - 03:15 .