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[jlb524]

Ryzaki wrote...

 
Those banters for the most part trigger regardless of Hawke's gender. 

Varric's supposed to mention her (outside of banter. THe latest patch restored a convo Varric has with Hawke about the LI)
Isabela mentions her (in conversation with Hawke)
Several banters mentino her (one (or several) with Izzy, One with Aveline)
I believe Hawke's mother mentions her

What more do you want? 

Yes, you got all of them.  Oh, there's one Izzy/Varric banter too in addition to Izzy/Merrill, and then a Merrill/Aveline banter in Act 1 that you get if you've flirted with her the first convo in addition to an Izzy/Merrill/Anders banter if you started romancing Izzy then went for Merrill.

I found it impressive, and a huge leap from practically squat with my DA:O LI.

[Clonedzero]

Cartims wrote...

Sometimes you can just fall for someone regardless of your sexual orientation, Shepard oozes power and sex appeal....I think both sexes would swoon over Shep...just saying...so the others characters don't have to be define as gay or bi, they just fall for Shep...it's that simple...happens to me all the time...lol!

thats actually alot worse than them being secretly bi for a couple years without ever hinting, emoting, or accidently revealing a clue that they're bi.

saying that shepard is so "sexy and badass" he changes peoples sexual preference? ugh...thats hoirrble. as in stupid.

[Darkhour]

jlb524 wrote...

I'm not sure if it's any different from having to pick the 'right' option in Leliana's romance to activate it, for example.

Leliana romance requires you to pursue her. It is a combination of conversations that lead up to it. You can't just go the entire game being a dick to her and then win her over with a single comment.

[Zjarcal]

Ryzaki wrote...

Varric's supposed to mention her (outside of banter. THe latest patch restored a convo Varric has with Hawke about the LI)
Isabela mentions her (in conversation with Hawke)
Several banters mentino her (one (or several) with Izzy, One with Aveline, not sure about everyone else. Those are just the ones I've heard.)
I believe Hawke's mother mentions her (it might just be Fenris and Anders though..not sure) 
Gamlen mentions her if you visit him in act 3.

Yeah, and you're right, Leandra does mention her (she says something about how you and that elf are looking at each other).

There are plenty of mentions in the game regarding Merrill's romance.

jlb524 wrote...

I found it impressive, and a huge leap from practically squat with my DA:O LI.

I agree. My Leli romance was barely acknowledged while with Merrill's romance it really felt as if everyone else was aware we were together.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 14 juin 2011 - 12:15 .

[Genly]

FrozenFire42 wrote...Fact, yes, but Genly wasn't referencing the romances themselves, but rather, how the game world reacts to them (at least, that's what I inferred). That was done better in DA2, especially for s/s.

How the world reacts to DA2 romances was a big improvement to me, but I actually did find romances as a whole better in DA2. But I can see how that can be subjective, depending on our preferences, which particular character we romanced, etc.

In DA1, yes, a couple of other companions did comment on your relationship, but I got the feeling it was more generic, while in DA2 the comments were more specific. But I guess that alsodepends on who you romance with.

[shepskisaac]

SilentNukee wrote...

I still fully support the option of s/s on established characters that make sense.

This, especially with male s/s romance. One of the biggest draws of the romances in ME Trilogy is the fact there's a possibility of having a trilogy-spanning relationship with a LI. At this point, male gay players will not have that full trilogy experience no matter what because the first two games are out and didn't have male s/s romance option. But if one of the former LIs is available as s/s LI in ME3, it would at least be a some sort of a substitue of a trilogy-spanning romance experience, the best we could get at this point in the franchise. And it can't be a non-squaddie, at least not the only one. All the other main LIs (that unlock Paramour Achievement) were squaddies. You spent the most time with the squaddies, during the most important events, that's how you bond with them even further. Having the male s/s romance option be only with a non-squaddie would make the romance be less than straight/lesbian romances with squaddies like Ashley or Liara. So for me, having at least 1 former male LI be available for s/s romance in ME3 is a must as it's the only way to bring the romance experience for gay players anywhere close to the level straight romances or the Liara romance are. And even then, it will still not be the same simply because of lack of option in ME1 and ME2 but there's nothing that can be done about that at this point, so we have to hope for second-best solution.

Clonedzero wrote...
thats actually alot worse than them being secretly bi for a couple years without ever hinting, emoting, or accidently revealing a clue that they're bi.

Tali was in love with Shepard for years without ever hinting, emoting, or accidentaly revealing a clue she was interested in a different spiece. But they've written it well in ME2 so it wasn't a problem. It all comes down to writing and the way Tali's hidden feelings were written in should give everyone confidence in BW writers' ability to handle old characters revealing they're bi well.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 14 juin 2011 - 12:18 .

[Siansonea]

paptschik wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

what about ken and gabby, they're both pretty adorable. though ken comes off as a straight horndog lol

Well, it's no secret that Gaby has a huge crush on Ken, and if those two can get past a hurdle or two, I see them ending up together.

Personally, I would like to see more pairings that don't include Shepard. I could see a Ken/Gaby relationship easily, as well as Kasumi/Jacob, Joker/Kelly, Kaidan/Miranda, and Zaeed/Chakwas. The aliens I kinda don't see pairing off with each other, except maybe Tali and Garrus.

I really really like you and your opinion.

though I am one of those that would rather see Tali with Kal'Reegar or maybe even Veetor. My main Shep is with Tali, but if I had my way, I'd see her with Kal'Reegar.
It's kinda strange, but looking back I'd rather generally have the options to play cupid for others than to have Shepard romance everyone. So many characters that I did or will romance and enjoy doing so, but I'd like it even more if I could be the damn dirty shipper that I am.

I loved that Shepard could be Aveline's "wingman/woman" in DA2, I would love to have an opportunity like that in ME3. You know, in between defeating the Reapers 'n stuff.

And I would very much rather see Tali with Kal'Reeger than with Shepard too. I always felt like Shepard was taking advantage of the poor girl. Tali and Reeger could have quarian children too, and it sounds to me like the quarians are kind of an endangered species.

[jlb524]

Darkhour wrote...

Leliana romance requires you to pursue her. It is a combination of conversations that lead up to it. You can't just go the entire game being a dick to her and then win her over with a single comment.

No, but you can be mean to her and lose approval, then build it back up by gifting the crap out of her so you can continue the romance.

These romances all have shortcomings and I ususally fix them in my head through RP so they make more sense to me.

[Ryzaki]

jlb524 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

 
Those banters for the most part trigger regardless of Hawke's gender. 

Varric's supposed to mention her (outside of banter. THe latest patch restored a convo Varric has with Hawke about the LI)
Isabela mentions her (in conversation with Hawke)
Several banters mentino her (one (or several) with Izzy, One with Aveline)
I believe Hawke's mother mentions her

What more do you want? 

Yes, you got all of them.  Oh, there's one Izzy/Varric banter too in addition to Izzy/Merrill, and then a Merrill/Aveline banter in Act 1 that you get if you've flirted with her the first convo in addition to an Izzy/Merrill/Anders banter if you started romancing Izzy then went for Merrill.

I found it impressive, and a huge leap from practically squat with my DA:O LI.

 

Yeah I figured I missed a few. 

But you're right it was a huge leap from the small trickle in DAO it did feel like everyone was aware that Hawke and the LI were together. 

[paptschik]

Siansonea II wrote...

I loved that Shepard could be Aveline's "wingman/woman" in DA2, I would love to have an opportunity like that in ME3. You know, in between defeating the Reapers 'n stuff.

And I would very much rather see Tali with Kal'Reeger than with Shepard too. I always felt like Shepard was taking advantage of the poor girl. Tali and Reeger could have quarian children too, and it sounds to me like the quarians are kind of an endangered species.

Reapers, Schmeapers, we're talking love here, that's more important.

The Aveline romance quest was fantastic. One of the best bits in Dragon Age 2. I love how she went from a dead husband to interested in another man to getting it on with him (with creepy stalker Hawke listening) to being married to him. That was glorious.

While I quite like the Tali-Shepard romance, I just think her chemistry with Kal'Reegar is great and I like the kind of character Reegar is. His bit where he keeps calling her ma'am even though she told him to call her Tali, that was the stuff that causes character shipping!

[bleetman]

Ryzaki wrote...

I believe Hawke's mother mentions her (it might just be Fenris and Anders though..not sure) 

She'll mention any active romances you have going (meaning the character has stayed the night at the estate) if you trigger her "I've been wondering if I shouldn't re-marry" dialogue afterwards.

Which I found amusing in Isabela's case, since her comment about it is along the lines of "I've heard that pirate girl of yours talk". ...Wait, what? You heard her talking about exploring Hawke's depths?

[Darkhour]

Ryzaki wrote...

What more do you want? 

1. None of that happened for me. Some says s/s relationships aren't acknowledged in DA:O. I say normal relationships aren't acknowledged in DA2. That's all.

2. I don't want anything. I'm not the one complaining about rather party members mention LIs.

[PMC65]

As long as the romances are well-written it could be any character (new or old).

Personally I am holding out for Ashley Williams, even though I don't share my LI's between my Shepards, I would break the rule for her.

[Siansonea]

paptschik wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I loved that Shepard could be Aveline's "wingman/woman" in DA2, I would love to have an opportunity like that in ME3. You know, in between defeating the Reapers 'n stuff.

And I would very much rather see Tali with Kal'Reeger than with Shepard too. I always felt like Shepard was taking advantage of the poor girl. Tali and Reeger could have quarian children too, and it sounds to me like the quarians are kind of an endangered species.

Reapers, Schmeapers, we're talking love here, that's more important.

The Aveline romance quest was fantastic. One of the best bits in Dragon Age 2. I love how she went from a dead husband to interested in another man to getting it on with him (with creepy stalker Hawke listening) to being married to him. That was glorious.

While I quite like the Tali-Shepard romance, I just think her chemistry with Kal'Reegar is great and I like the kind of character Reegar is. His bit where he keeps calling her ma'am even though she told him to call her Tali, that was the stuff that causes character shipping!

Who would be a ME3 equivalent of Aveline though? Dr. Chakwas maybe? I think I could see my way clear to helping Admiral Hackett woo my favorite ship's doctor. I hear she has a taste for Serrice Ice Brandy...

[PMC65]

Siansonea II wrote...

This OP is a work-in-progress, so bear with me (and feel free to make suggestions).


This thread's purpose is to discuss same-sex romance in Mass Effect 3. 


This thread's purpose is NOT to discuss real-world issues related to homosexuality, gender identity, politics, religion, etc. 

I knew that you were a brave soul ... I tip my hat to you and this thread.

S/S relationships has so many potential storylines, especially between Shepard and his/her ME1 & ME2 team members. ... Ash, I am looking at you girlfriend!

[Ryzaki]

bleetman wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I believe Hawke's mother mentions her (it might just be Fenris and Anders though..not sure) 

She'll mention any active romances you have going (meaning the character has stayed the night at the estate) if you trigger her "I've been wondering if I shouldn't re-marry" dialogue afterwards.

Which I found amusing in Isabela's case, since her comment about it is along the lines of "I've heard that pirate girl of yours talk". ...Wait, what? You heard her talking about exploring Hawke's depths?

 

... Glorious. 

[Ryzaki]

Darkhour wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

What more do you want? 

1. None of that happened for me. Some says s/s relationships aren't acknowledged in DA:O. I say normal relationships aren't acknowledged in DA2. That's all.

2. I don't want anything. I'm not the one complaining about rather party members mention LIs.

1. is a flat out lie. They are acknowledged. They didn't trigger for you probably because you didn't do something right (or the game is being its normal buggy self) that  doesn't mean the relationship isnt acknowledged. 

That said saying the s/s relationships aren't acknowledged in DAO is also a lie. It's not a lot but it's there. 

2. Alright. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 juin 2011 - 12:31 .

[Genly]

Siansonea II wrote...

Who would be a ME3 equivalent of Aveline though? Dr. Chakwas maybe? I think I could see my way clear to helping Admiral Hackett woo my favorite ship's doctor. I hear she has a taste for Serrice Ice Brandy...

Dr. Chakwas does seem a bit lonely, I could see myself helping her to find someone.

[mopotter]

paptschik wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

what about ken and gabby, they're both pretty adorable. though ken comes off as a straight horndog lol

Well, it's no secret that Gaby has a huge crush on Ken, and if those two can get past a hurdle or two, I see them ending up together.

Personally, I would like to see more pairings that don't include Shepard. I could see a Ken/Gaby relationship easily, as well as Kasumi/Jacob, Joker/Kelly, Kaidan/Miranda, and Zaeed/Chakwas. The aliens I kinda don't see pairing off with each other, except maybe Tali and Garrus.

I really really like you and your opinion.

though I am one of those that would rather see Tali with Kal'Reegar or maybe even Veetor. My main Shep is with Tali, but if I had my way, I'd see her with Kal'Reegar.
It's kinda strange, but looking back I'd rather generally have the options to play cupid for others than to have Shepard romance everyone. So many characters that I did or will romance and enjoy doing so, but I'd like it even more if I could be the damn dirty shipper that I am.

Agree with all of this.  Tali and Kal'Reegar if you didn't romance her would be great.  I'd like to have Ken/Gaby talk about their honeymoon down in their cubby hole.   One of the parts of DA2 I did really like was Aveline.  Somone other than Shepard getting a bit of romance would be a very nice addition.

[Abispa]

@ Darkhour -- NO game, by any company, has handled LI in a way that didn't have me thing that I wish they could be done better, but I am NOT a fan of DA:O.

I did not like the way a "good" warden could romance Morrigan by buying her presents to over-ride her evil inclinations, nor how I can convince a character to "just be friends" but then be chewed out for two-timing because I picked up an item and gave it to him/her as a gift.

Yes, thank you "love" icons. And rivalry romances, though I'd still like the concept to be improved upon.

[Genly]

Abispa wrote...
Yes, thank you "love" icons. And rivalry romances, though I'd still like the concept to be improved upon.

Agreed! I can see how people don't like the icons (it can break immersion?), but I like that concept to avoid ninjamacing. And also how you can romance someone without either always agreeing with or throwing tons of gifts. Rivalry system as a whole could be better implemented though.

[Sister Helen]

I'm cool with same sex romances in games. They add a nice option.

I certainly enjoyed them in Dragon Age Origins (canon Warden with Zevran) and Dragon Age 2 (canon Hawke with Anders).

Back in the day, I suspected my bard in Baldurs Gate (2, I think?) was close to having one with the other bard; he kept calling my character his "Raven" in a very sexy voice. I really should replay that game sometime.

[Abispa]

When drinking with Dr. Chakwas, Shepard discovers that she and Joker are quite close, but I don't remember ever seeing the two of them together. That would be one relationship I'd love to see develop since it could be very intimate and touching while having nothing to do with romance. I wouldn't mind DA2 style cut scenes of the two of them interacting.

Kelly and Grunt romance would be fun to walk in on, too. No need to have detailed graphics, mind you, just have Shepard and Liara/Ashley trying to find a nice place to *ahem* catch up and then focus on their horrified expressions while a disturbing shadow is cast on the wall next to them. I actually dreamed of this scene, and I'd really like confirmation that it was merely my budding powers of prophecy and NOT some deep seeded mental illness.

[paptschik]

Siansonea II wrote...

Who would be a ME3 equivalent of Aveline though? Dr. Chakwas maybe? I think I could see my way clear to helping Admiral Hackett woo my favorite ship's doctor. I hear she has a taste for Serrice Ice Brandy...

Ken and Gaby. Ken for male Shepard, Gaby for FemShep.
Make it happen.
Better yet, have the other try toget help from Shepard love interest. THEN: Double-date.
Much potential for comedic gold there.

[Ryzaki]

Genly wrote...

Abispa wrote...
Yes, thank you "love" icons. And rivalry romances, though I'd still like the concept to be improved upon.

Agreed! I can see how people don't like the icons (it can break immersion?), but I like that concept to avoid ninjamacing. And also how you can romance someone without either always agreeing with or throwing tons of gifts. Rivalry system as a whole could be better implemented though.

Yeah. Ninjamancing needs to die in a fire. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU BECAUSE I TALKED ABOUT YOUR FAMILY!

Sorry. I'm just a wee bit peeved about that. >_>