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[ArawnNox]

IsaacShep wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...
A lot of the "OMG DUDEBRO" people posting in various threads on this board have stated very emphatically that they don't want Garrus (it's always Garrus, for some reason) to "be gay", but were rather less concerned about, say, Kaidan

Garrus is a 'bro' and he needs to be straight so they can talk with him about nothing but all the girls they will score and all the strip clubs they will visit together.

ElitePinecone wrote...
(and they weren't at all worried about f/f options. I wonder why?).

Because "girl-on-girl sex is hawt!!!11" of course and being bisexual they will surely invite the male to join them and focus all their attention on him.

*twitch twitch twitch*

You know, Morrigan really did describe much of the gamer demographic wen she said "A man will assume two things about a woman. One: That she is weak. And two: That she finds him attractive."

I love the idea raised in LotSB that Femshep and Liara could settle down and have kids. Would my current femshep be into that? Hm... I'm not so sure she would. Liara means a lot to her, but she's put the rest of the galaxy first so much that I don't know if she could focus on her own happiness. But then, Liara might be the one who could convince her to "hang up her guns".

[shepskisaac]

ArawnNox wrote...

You know, Morrigan really did describe much of the gamer demographic wen she said "A man will assume two things about a woman. One: That she is weak. And two: That she finds him attractive."

Damn you right. Need to revise my views. Lesbians and bi girls do it together only to arouse the straight male who will then join them. It's a very tricky way to lure the man they're attracted to into bed!

Modifié par IsaacShep, 09 juillet 2011 - 06:45 .

[ArawnNox]

IsaacShep wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

You know, Morrigan really did describe much of the gamer demographic wen she said "A man will assume two things about a woman. One: That she is weak. And two: That she finds him attractive."

Damn you right. Need to revise my views. Lesbians and bi girls do it together only to arouse the straight male who will then join them. It's a very tricky way to lure the man they're attracted to into bed!

Sounds like most hentai plots that sell themselves as "yuri". >.>

[AngelicMachinery]

Is it wrong of me to hope with all my heart that Garrus is bi? I'll never use the option, but... can you imagine?

[ArawnNox]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Is it wrong of me to hope with all my heart that Garrus is bi? I'll never use the option, but... can you imagine?

Just to watch the RAEG with sadistic glee? I'll make the popcorn.

[AngelicMachinery]

ArawnNox wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Is it wrong of me to hope with all my heart that Garrus is bi? I'll never use the option, but... can you imagine?

Just to watch the RAEG with sadistic glee? I'll make the popcorn.

Yes...  very much so,  and well,  the obsession with Garrus kind of makes me wonder.  Are people concerned about his "Continuity" or their's?

[Abispa]

ArawnNox wrote...

You know, Morrigan really did describe much of the gamer demographic wen she said "A man will assume two things about a gay man. One: That the gay man is weak. And two: That the gay man finds him attractive."

I fixed that for you.

Modifié par Abispa, 09 juillet 2011 - 08:45 .

[RobsanX]

It sounds like a lot of people can't handle the power of writing their own narrative. I say let everyone have the ability to be homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual, then let the player decide what they are. It's the player's story, let the player write it.

[KawaiiKatie]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Is it wrong of me to hope with all my heart that Garrus is bi? I'll never use the option, but... can you imagine?

Garrus isn't exactly on the top of my gayShep's wishlist.... but no way I'd turn him down. Garrus just wants something in his life to go right! He wants someone who'll treat him right! And my gayShep would treat him so very, very right~

Not gonna lie, I would adore some "Wait, you're interested in a same-sex Turian?!" dialogue.

[Abispa]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Is it wrong of me to hope with all my heart that Garrus is bi? I'll never use the option, but... can you imagine?

Garrus isn't exactly on the top of my gayShep's wishlist.... but no way I'd turn him down. Garrus just wants something in his life to go right! He wants someone who'll treat him right! And my gayShep would treat him so very, very right~

Not gonna lie, I would adore some "Wait, you're interested in a same-sex Turian?!" dialogue.

My brother has had relationships with both men and women, which doesn't bother me as much as the whole goth thing he's into. But I do notice that many of his bisexual friends I've met -- of either sex -- have different romance styles depending on gender. Some "have some fun" with women and are "serious" with men, and vice versa.

Which makes me wonder if they'll do that with, let's say, Garrus. With female Shepard he wants to wait until it's perfect and "not a distraction." Maybe with male Shepard we'll get something like the renegade Jack romance.

God, I hope they do that. The popcorn will be on me.

[AngelicMachinery]

Abispa wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Is it wrong of me to hope with all my heart that Garrus is bi? I'll never use the option, but... can you imagine?

Garrus isn't exactly on the top of my gayShep's wishlist.... but no way I'd turn him down. Garrus just wants something in his life to go right! He wants someone who'll treat him right! And my gayShep would treat him so very, very right~

Not gonna lie, I would adore some "Wait, you're interested in a same-sex Turian?!" dialogue.

My brother has had relationships with both men and women, which doesn't bother me as much as the whole goth thing he's into. But I do notice that many of his bisexual friends I've met -- of either sex -- have different romance styles depending on gender. Some "have some fun" with women and are "serious" with men, and vice versa.

Which makes me wonder if they'll do that with, let's say, Garrus. With female Shepard he wants to wait until it's perfect and "not a distraction." Maybe with male Shepard we'll get something like the renegade Jack romance.

God, I hope they do that. The popcorn will be on me.

I must admit this would be realistic,   I'm rarely capable of seeing men as long term relationship material.  It just doesn't seem to work,  this doesn't lessen my attraction to them of course but it does limit how far I can take an amorous relationship.  I more often than not prefer males as simply friends,  perhaps because in many ways I find it easier to be "One of the guys" over "One of the girls."  

I do think it would kind of suck though if all the M/M options were reduced to simple flings.  That seemed to be one of the problems people had with good old Zevran.

[Jimmy Fury]

Abispa wrote...
Which makes me wonder if they'll do that with, let's say, Garrus. With female Shepard he wants to wait until it's perfect and "not a distraction." Maybe with male Shepard we'll get something like the renegade Jack romance.

God, I hope they do that.

I really don't.

Very few things make me uncomfortable. Making the s/s romance a renegade option...That does.
Very much so.

Edited for clarification.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 09 juillet 2011 - 09:08 .

[ArawnNox]

Abispa wrote...

My brother has had relationships with both men and women, which doesn't bother me as much as the whole goth thing he's into. But I do notice that many of his bisexual friends I've met -- of either sex -- have different romance styles depending on gender. Some "have some fun" with women and are "serious" with men, and vice versa.

We poke some light-hearted fun at my roommate for being "hetero-flexible". She finds girls attractive/cute and loves snuggling with girls, but won't do anything else with them.

[bleetman]

Remember, folks: Adding s/s romances to existing characters is a problem, but creating completely new characters and writing them as such to begin with is perfectly fine.

...Unless you take the DA2 route and have the audacity to add more than one. Then it's pandering to the gays.

I'm not sure what I'd think about writing in a m/m or such as being fling-like, myself. If it's just the nature of their character, sure, go for it. Wouldn't be much fun for folk who'd gotten their hopes up for more, though. Then again, Kelly was a "fling", and I'd say she was about the only vaguely convincingly written romance in ME2. So, uhm, shrug.

Modifié par bleetman, 09 juillet 2011 - 09:56 .

[Abispa]

Aw, man. Bioware just closed down another thread, and it was getting fun. I think those who disagree with s/s are intimidated by the sheer number of pages on this thread and they feel the need to keep starting new ones.

[jlb524]

Yeah....I'll leave my reply to InvaderErl here if he's interested...

InvaderErl wrote...
Because that's not the debate that we're having right now and in any case I would agree with that sentiment.

Well, next time that's debated somewhere, I hope to see you there. 

InvaderErl wrote...
Regardless Morrigan being a strictly M/F option allowed her character to do certain things and play to certain conventions and tropes in a way that Leliana and Zevran do as well considering their bi-sexuality and it adds additional variety to those characters and their romances as well.

Like what?  I've actually played through the modded f/f Morrigan romance and nothing felt out of place besides gender pronoun boo boos.

InvaderErl wrote...
It was a very poor joke and one I don't necessarily believe was meant in jest. It was, I believe, a means of dismissing my argument without speaking to it however.

I apologize...I'm speaking to your argument now, however.

InvaderErl wrote...
I agree, what is the point you're making?

You keep focusing on sexuality for some reason...

InvaderErl wrote...
So you don't actually want diversity. You just to replace one homogony with another.

I don't see how that kind of diversity adds anything to romances, that's why...except it prevents me and some others from pursuing our romance of choice.

InvaderErl wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
I believe they also had similar meta-reasons for making all of the DA2 LIs available for both genders.   I don't see how one is 'okay' with most but the other isn't.

You're going to have to clarify this statement a bit, its too vague for me to respond to it with any specificity.

DA2 devs decided to remove gender checks so romance content could be seen by all (considering what a small portion of the game it is in the first place and that most don't even do the romances).  Thus, if they are still going to put X amount of time into them (when most won't see them anyway) why not open them up to as many romance fans as possible?

This really bugs some people around here, though.  However, most don't care one-lick about the lack of strictly homosexual squad mates...which are avoided for similar reasons.  If you are going to make content for a minority of gamers (romance fans) why not enable it fully for all of them?

[Ryzaki]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Is it wrong of me to hope with all my heart that Garrus is bi? I'll never use the option, but... can you imagine?

 

I'd be all over that like white on rice. 

[KawaiiKatie]

Ryzaki wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Is it wrong of me to hope with all my heart that Garrus is bi? I'll never use the option, but... can you imagine?

 

I'd be all over that like white on rice. 

Or brown. Or red.

........suffice to say that we find Garrus very agreeable. 

[Abispa]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Abispa wrote...
Which makes me wonder if they'll do that with, let's say, Garrus. With female Shepard he wants to wait until it's perfect and "not a distraction." Maybe with male Shepard we'll get something like the renegade Jack romance.

God, I hope they do that.

I really don't.

Very few things make me uncomfortable. Making the s/s romance a renegade option...That does.
Very much so.

Edited for clarification.

Oh, I'm not saying it should be a renegade option, I just mean that the love scene should be handled like the scene that renegade Shepard has. I can see clearing off counters quickly, tearing off clothes, slamming each other onto tables and arching head and neck back in joyous sexual rapture between male Shepard and Garrus being done in a wonderful paragon romance.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Abispa wrote...

Aw, man. Bioware just closed down another thread, and it was getting fun. I think those who disagree with s/s are intimidated by the sheer number of pages on this thread and they feel the need to keep starting new ones.

Not always more likely the majority start the anti s/s threads because of this thread's lovely rule: This thread doesn't exist for people to express that they are against the inclusion of same-sex romance

so basically if you're against s/s for any reason what so ever in this thread you should shove off and create one against it so you can get closed down in 10min. - 1hr.

[Abispa]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Aw, man. Bioware just closed down another thread, and it was getting fun. I think those who disagree with s/s are intimidated by the sheer number of pages on this thread and they feel the need to keep starting new ones.

Not always more likely the majority start the anti s/s threads because of this thread's lovely rule: This thread doesn't exist for people to express that they are against the inclusion of same-sex romance

so basically if you're against s/s for any reason what so ever in this thread you should shove off and create one against it so you can get closed down in 10min. - 1hr.

Well, the EXISTENCE of s/s romance in ME3 is not up for debate. It's GOING to happen. It may even be in a way that WE supporters aren't happy with. But as I understand the thread, you should be allowed to express your concern on HOW it is implemented. I can't speak for everyone I've been chatting with, but I don't mind debating with those I don't agree with.

[KawaiiKatie]

Abispa wrote...

Oh, I'm not saying it should be a renegade option, I just mean that the love scene should be handled like the scene that renegade Shepard has. I can see clearing off counters quickly, tearing off clothes, slamming each other onto tables and arching head and neck back in joyous sexual rapture between male Shepard and Garrus being done in a wonderful paragon romance.

There definitely need to be more "steamy" romances, if that's how the character rolls. Like Isabela in DA2. Hot, passionate sexytimes really fit her, while Anders took things softly and slowly. It wouldn't have to be a strict Paragon versus Renegade thing like it was with Jack, but maybe just a "fiery passion" versus "slow smolder" kind of thing.

[Abispa]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Oh, I'm not saying it should be a renegade option, I just mean that the love scene should be handled like the scene that renegade Shepard has. I can see clearing off counters quickly, tearing off clothes, slamming each other onto tables and arching head and neck back in joyous sexual rapture between male Shepard and Garrus being done in a wonderful paragon romance.

There definitely need to be more "steamy" romances, if that's how the character rolls. Like Isabela in DA2. Hot, passionate sexytimes really fit her, while Anders took things softly and slowly. It wouldn't have to be a strict Paragon versus Renegade thing like it was with Jack, but maybe just a "fiery passion" versus "slow smolder" kind of thing.

I want Barry White music to start playing in the background when male Shepard activates the Garrus romance.

[Jimmy Fury]

Abispa wrote...
Oh, I'm not saying it should be a renegade option, I just mean that the love scene should be handled like the scene that renegade Shepard has. I can see clearing off counters quickly, tearing off clothes, slamming each other onto tables and arching head and neck back in joyous sexual rapture between male Shepard and Garrus being done in a wonderful paragon romance.

ooooh... Well that's fine then.
Although making the straight version of the romance about emotion and the gay version about sex could send an awkward message but I digress I can get a bit paranoid about that.

Destroy Raiden wrote...
Not always more likely the majority start the anti s/s threads because of this thread's lovely rule: This thread doesn't exist for people to express that they are against the inclusion of same-sex romance
so basically if you're against s/s for any reason what so ever in this thread you should shove off and create one against it so you can get closed down in 10min. - 1hr.

Does it?
[checks]
It does... huh. And yeah it even says if you want to express anything against the inclusion to go somewhere else...
Well that's just rude.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 09 juillet 2011 - 11:15 .

[Ryzaki]

Which is why I don't understand why the anti-s/s people don't have a thread and are told to come here.

If they want to debate about which LIs should be s/s this is the place for it. Not if the debate is about should s/s be possible. The former is fine the latter isn't up for discussion I thought.