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[Sister Helen]

I didn't get the impression that Garrus thought of femshep as "female" (or as a sexual being potentially interested in him) per se until she joked with him about tiebreakers. Until that line, he treated her the exact same way as he treated maleshep. Perhaps his wavering and reluctance in that relationship might be due to a cultural taboo; do taurians see other taurians who have intercourse with different species (other than asari) as perverts?

That being said, it would have made sense to make him bisexual or open to the possibility back at that point in ME2. At this late date, it would feel wierd. (There was a videoclip in the Shadowbroker Lair that hinted that at least one male taurian was attracted to male humans, so it's not out of the question as a possibility.)

[Abispa]

I do find it odd that so many people have said something to the effect that if ME3 makes previously introduced party members bisexual that they will either not buy the game or never by a Bioware game again.

First, let me say that if ME3 is such a flimsy game that a romance options are the deciding factor on whether or not its a good game, the game sucks, period. You + 2 mass murdering buddies (at a time) taking on an invasion of evil, god-like sapient starships with nothing but your wits, machine guns, rocket launchers and some dramatic cut scenes of Joker piloting the Normandy is what I'm going to base my review on.

Everything else is candy. If you don't like that candy, don't try it. It's optional. Having a temper tantrum because somebody else is weeping for joy that s/he can have male Shepard romancing Garrus seems incredibly sad to me.

For the record, I was one of the ones rolling my eyes when I stumbled into discovering that you could romance Tali and Garrus in ME2, but that didn't kill the game for me. In fact, I still enjoyed it very much. If you're a Talimancer, cool, and my girlfriend loves Garrus. *sigh* I was more upset that my "survivor" Shepard didn't have the option of throwing Cerberus personnel out the airlock.

[Siansonea]

Clonedzero wrote...

Abispa wrote...

I agree that it would seem odd for Garrus to suddenly show interest in a human male since he didn't seem thrilled with the fact that female Shepard was human, but he respected Shepard and made himself open to HER advances. Of course, gay Garrus fans could argue that the same logic should apply to male Shepard.

As for Tali, Jack and Samara, I found it odd how everything seemed to be moving toward an opening for lesbian romance and it seemed artificially cut off. I have a sneaky suspicion that they were options originally, but were later dropped because Bioware/EA didn't want to be accused to more pro-lesbian/anti-gay-male hypocrisy.

Yes, I have brought this up before, and some Bioware people have denied this, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't still suspicious.

you dont brag about banging a random chick to a guy you're interested in romantically. that makes absolutely no sense

To be fair, it's not really a good tactic for picking up a woman either. In fact, in real life, it's pretty much a dealbreaker in most cases.

I always got the impression that sexytimes with Shepard simply never occurred to Garrus until she brought it up. And like a good obedient turian, he did what his commander wanted. Subconsciously, maybe. I won't lie, the Garrus romance has always seemed the most head-scratching inducing for me, no offense to Garrusmancers.

[Siansonea]

Sister Helen wrote...

I didn't get the impression that Garrus thought of femshep as "female" (or as a sexual being potentially interested in him) per se until she joked with him about tiebreakers. Until that line, he treated her the exact same way as he treated maleshep. Perhaps his wavering and reluctance in that relationship might be due to a cultural taboo; do taurians see other taurians who have intercourse with different species (other than asari) as perverts?

That being said, it would have made sense to make him bisexual or open to the possibility back at that point in ME2. At this late date, it would feel wierd. (There was a videoclip in the Shadowbroker Lair that hinted that at least one male taurian was attracted to male humans, so it's not out of the question as a possibility.)

We know that turian and quarian pairings aren't unheard of. "Fleet and Flotilla", a vid mentioned in ME2, is about a turian/quarian love story, I believe.

[Abispa]

Clonedzero wrote...

Abispa wrote...

I agree that it would seem odd for Garrus to suddenly show interest in a human male since he didn't seem thrilled with the fact that female Shepard was human, but he respected Shepard and made himself open to HER advances. Of course, gay Garrus fans could argue that the same logic should apply to male Shepard.

As for Tali, Jack and Samara, I found it odd how everything seemed to be moving toward an opening for lesbian romance and it seemed artificially cut off. I have a sneaky suspicion that they were options originally, but were later dropped because Bioware/EA didn't want to be accused to more pro-lesbian/anti-gay-male hypocrisy.

Yes, I have brought this up before, and some Bioware people have denied this, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't still suspicious.

you dont brag about banging a random chick to a guy you're interested in romantically. that makes absolutely no sense

But we all love Zevran and Isabela anyway.

[Darkhour]

jlb524 wrote...

No, but you can be mean to her and lose approval, then build it back up by gifting the crap out of her so you can continue the romance.

These romances all have shortcomings and I ususally fix them in my head through RP so they make more sense to me.

Leliana high approval auto-romance is a bug. Speaking solely about the romance, ignoring the bug, even with 100% approval you would still have to have a series of conversations to trigger a romance. The bug has a oppositie effect as well for if you get too much approval too fast you can't romance her because you'll miss a particular non-romance dialog preventing further dialog progression.

DA2 "ninja" romance is working as intended.

[Darkhour]

Ryzaki wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

What more do you want? 

1. None of that happened for me. Some says s/s relationships aren't acknowledged in DA:O. I say normal relationships aren't acknowledged in DA2. That's all.

2. I don't want anything. I'm not the one complaining about rather party members mention LIs.

1. is a flat out lie. They are acknowledged. They didn't trigger for you probably because you didn't do something right (or the game is being its normal buggy self) that  doesn't mean the relationship isnt acknowledged. 

That said saying the s/s relationships aren't acknowledged in DAO is also a lie. It's not a lot but it's there. 

2. Alright. 

1. I could say the same thing to people who got no acknowledgement in DA:O. Must be a bug or they did something wrong.

[Darkhour]

Abispa wrote...

@ Darkhour -- NO game, by any company, has handled LI in a way that didn't have me thing that I wish they could be done better, but I am NOT a fan of DA:O.

I did not like the way a "good" warden could romance Morrigan by buying her presents to over-ride her evil inclinations,

 
I was a good warden a romanced her. And I only give people gifts that trigger dialog.

nor how I can convince a character to "just be friends" but then be chewed out for two-timing because I picked up an item and gave it to him/her as a gift.

That's an approval-romance bug.  That isn't intended. I had to go through alot of hoops to finally get the Leliana ninja romance to cancel, but I ackowledge it as the bug it is.


 

[Ryzaki]

Darkhour wrote...
1. I could say the same thing to people who got no acknowledgement in DA:O. Must be a bug or they did something wrong.

 

And it would be true if you said that...so your point is?  (them lying really doesn't stop the fact that what you said was a flat out lie). 

Them saying they didn't get alot of acknowledgement would be true. Them saying they got none would be false. (the relationship is acknowledged by Wynne, Morrigan and any LI you attempt to cheat on the current one with, and depending on LI might be acknowledged in banter the number of banters depending on the LI and if the relationship is m/f or s/s.) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 juin 2011 - 03:29 .

[Erani]

@Ryzaki, I love your "Joker romance rebuttal" sig! <3:lol:

Also, should we discuss DA romances in this thread? 

[Ryzaki]

Erani wrote...

@Ryzaki, I love your "Joker romance rebuttal" sig! <3:lol:

Also, should we discuss DA romances in this thread? 

 

Thank the good people at the Joker Romance Support Thread (in the ME2 forum) they made awesome banners and I merely stole one.   

Probably not. This isn't a DA2 forum. :/ 

[SilentK]

Ryzaki wrote...


Thank the good people at the Joker Romance Support Thread (in the ME2 forum) they made awesome banners and I merely stole one.   

Jupp they have some good stuff    =)  and nice pics soon. I'll update the OP in the ME3 forum with pics this evening.

SilentNukee wrote...

Have you played a FemShep to see
how Tali reacts to her? No? That's too bad, because she's the most
logical choice form what we seen in ME1/2. Garrus, not so much.

I also got that vibe, and when she's saying that she misses Shepard when you go to Freedoms Progress, and later on when you recruit her. She says that she misses my FemShep alot, but when she comes onboard the Normandy
she stops talking pretty quickly.... a little sad...

Modifié par SilentK, 14 juin 2011 - 04:06 .

[shepskisaac]

SilentNukee wrote...
Have you played a FemShep to see how Tali reacts to her? No? That's too bad, because she's the most logical choice form what we seen in ME1/2. Garrus, not so much.

Her or Kaidan. He acts like a dumped lover on Horizon towards ManShep. "Thinking you were gone was like losing a limb". "Why didnn't you try to contact?! Why didn't you let me know you were alive?!?!?" C'moooooon. If people interpret his words towards FemShep in a no-romance scenario as repressed feelings coming out in anger, he does exactly the same to ManShep.

[SilentK]

Jupp =) that was a pretty intense Kaidan moment. Gahh.... I'm a huge fan of Kaidan so horizon always makes me go *sniffle* a bit. Hoping for a good reunion in ME3. But it would be really interesting to see how they would go about the story if the VS are a new bi-LI. I want him for my FemShep but I would be happy to share =)

[shepskisaac]

SilentK wrote...

Jupp =) that was a pretty intense Kaidan moment. Gahh.... I'm a huge fan of Kaidan so horizon always makes me go *sniffle* a bit. Hoping for a good reunion in ME3. But it would be really interesting to see how they would go about the story if the VS are a new bi-LI. I want him for my FemShep but I would be happy to share =)

For Kaidan, I think they will go with the simple "I thought you were straight Shepard! If I knew blah blah" since well, that's already part of the story. He says to FemShep that he thought she was straight when FemShep's sexuality is revealed due to the romance with Liara. Actually if they forgot about this and go with something else to explain why Kaidan didn't say anything, that wouldn't make sense and would conflict with a previously established fact.

[phantomdragoness]

Just wanted to drop in and say I fully support same-sex relationships!

Everyone deserves to be happy aka spoiled rotten. XD (Because we all know BioWare usually gives us anything we want! Except for Varric...*sobs*)

[ElitePinecone]

 Just started reading the first few pages, it's great to have this thread back up again. The continuity of the name alone is nostalgic :happy:

It will be very interesting to see what happens with the characters. Here's hoping they're revealed or at least hinted at sooner rather than later. 

[Battlepope190]

I'm interested to see who is available for Manshep and Femshep, but moreso female shepard for me, as I play her exclusively. (HOPEFULLY ASHLEY!)

[Dr.MOHCTP]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

No to past LIs becoming gay or bi

fine with brandnew squadmates being bi or gay like Vegas or others.

Yes to bromances of all crewmembers.

Absolutely no to Tali or Garrus becoming s/s options. If I find out they are I'm done with 3 I'll be more upset with this then finding out I'm forced to take a Prothean squadmate.

Have you played a FemShep to see how Tali reacts to her? No? That's too bad, because she's the most logical choice form what we seen in ME1/2. Garrus, not so much.

Have you assumed things about me? Yes. I stand by my post.

Destroy Raiden in this i agree with you, all problem in ostensibly tali as bi in that that its actions in relation to mShep projected on femShep without noting obvious distinctions, that is absolutely wrong.
SilentNukee you realy want ruined tali characher for s/s li opinion? they are like a sisters.:innocent: And besides then tali became are liara №2, too many similar lines: in ME from the first gave;: are interested in Shep (in a case with tali in mShep) cute personality, close friends if not romanced.

also, don't forget about this twitt
"Casey Hudson: New LIs, presumably some of them bi or gay in #masseffect3 Straight returning chars will probably stay straight"

Modifié par Dr.MOHCTP, 14 juin 2011 - 07:51 .

[78stonewobble]

IMHO and kind of reiterating my post in the "Fight for the love" group.

I'm glad that there will be these options but on the other hand I feel some characters are just either bi, gay or straight.

To me thats an integral part of the character and not something that should be interchangeable.

Just my oppinion.

Wouldn't be a problem if the options would have been there from the start (ME1).

Hopefully similar games in the future will catch up our modern times.

[KawaiiKatie]

Dr.MOHCTP wrote...


also, don't forget about this twitt
"Casey Hudson: New LIs, presumably some of them bi or gay in #masseffect3 Straight returning chars will probably stay straight"

Casey Hudson never said that. The Tweet you're refering to reads:

Some game sites saying "previously straight chars now available for both
m&f chars" not necessarily true. Will have some new LI's in #ME3

Mr. Hudson was specifically replying to gaming wesbites that were making bold assumptions right after same-sex romances were confirmed for ME3. If you recall, at the time this Tweet was made, one magazine had already reported that there were to be no new romances at all in ME3, so when Casey Hudson announced that same-sex options would become available, a lot of people assumed this meant that old squadmates would be returning as bisexual. Casey Husdon neither confirmed nor denied these claims, but like most Bioware Devs on Twitter, encouraged us not to get ahead of ourselves.

So has the possibility of old love-interests returning as bisexual been completely ruled out? No. Just as the option for entirely new love-interests was never completely ruled out. It's all spectulation at this point.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 14 juin 2011 - 08:00 .

[Kidd]

Let me just drop a line in here saying I'm so happy!

I made my first ManShep a while ago (I've started several, never gotten far though) and he's going strong into the new game with no romance on his record. Let's see what kind of nice boys this paragon can pick up in ME3 ^^

[diskoh]

For months upon months I've had a lot of trouble wrapping my head around why it upsets some people if a previously unromancable character becomes a same sex option. I've heard all of the reasons, and all of them have an obvious answer to me and don't make sense. I guess it's just an emotional or intangible thing to people.

[Comsky159]

diskoh wrote...

For months upon months I've had a lot of trouble wrapping my head around why it upsets some people if a previously unromancable character becomes a same sex option. I've heard all of the reasons, and all of them have an obvious answer to me and don't make sense. I guess it's just an emotional or intangible thing to people.

It's a matter of literary integrity. Changing sexuality of characters (particularly those we've known for a while) says that blatant fetishism is more important than the ME universe. It's been discussed a number of times and it's impossible to argue effectively about it without prominant literary theory on videogames.

I know that the OP didn't want discussion about continuity but I think it is the major issue with S/S romance at the moment and gravitation towards the topic in threads like this is quite evolutionary.

[KawaiiKatie]

diskoh wrote...

For months upon months I've had a lot of trouble wrapping my head around why it upsets some people if a previously unromancable character becomes a same sex option. I've heard all of the reasons, and all of them have an obvious answer to me and don't make sense. I guess it's just an emotional or intangible thing to people.

I think a lot of people are afraid of being hit on by their previously "safe" friend. Mass Effect makes it hard not to "trip and fall" into romances, and more than enough people end up in love-triangles without meaning to... So I think that a lot of dudebros are afraid that their epic bromance with Garrus is suddenly going to be ruined with unwanted advances.

Are these legitimate concerns? Absolutely. I know that I've felt uneasy trying to navigate my way around heterosexual content, if only to avoid unintentional love-triangles. But what people have to remember is, there's always an opportunity (often several opportunities) to say no, always a chance to take back what you've said if you find that you've given your squadmate the wrong idea. The love-interests always check to make absolutely sure that you're interested, no matter what your gender is. So if you don't want a same-sex relationship, simply reject his or her advances. I promise, the offended party won't hold it against you, and you can pretend that it never happened. Your bromance will pull through, no worse for the wear!

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 14 juin 2011 - 08:22 .