RinjiRenee wrote...
bleetman wrote...
Such an action - throwing in a token new s/s character into a game with an already extensive character pool - would only serve to confirm that they're adding in s/s for the sake of fan appeasement, rather than because they feel it's something genuinally worth including.
Pretty much this.
Ryzaki wrote...
Making an existing character a bisexual romance could be seen as the same thing.
Modifié par RinjiRenee, 10 juillet 2011 - 07:34 .
RinjiRenee wrote...
They already did it for Garrus and Tali (well not bisexual, but romanceable), so I'm not sure what would stop them now.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 juillet 2011 - 07:38 .
KawaiiKatie wrote...
Yeah, I can see people saying, "Ugh, they only made Kaidan gay to appease fans, not because they genuinely wanted to include same-sex content."
Really, the naysayers are going to complain either way, so I'm determined to make it work either way, you know?
For me, how it's written will be the true indicator of how "genuinely" Bioware wanted to include same-sex romances. If it's treated as throwaway "light" content (ala Kelly Chambers) that you can pursue while engaged in a REAL (aka, heterosexual) romance, then yeah, I'll be pretty upset, and I'll question Bioware's unfortunate implications concerning the issue... But I'm extremely hopeful and optomistic, so I doubt that'll happen.
Ryzaki wrote...
Making an existing character a bisexual romance could be seen as the same thing.
Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 10 juillet 2011 - 07:36 .
Ryzaki wrote...
Which is why I doubt "appeasement" cries are gonna factor into their decision. They'll get the appeasement crying regardless.
I do hope we do get a new s/s option. (I would prefer them be solely s/s so for *once* all the people going "OMG HE'S GAY!" would actually...be right. It would be a nice change.)
@as for not liking Vega: And what if they don't like the old squaddie and Vega? What happens then? Oh...they just have to deal with it like everyone else who doesn't like certain options.
Destroy Raiden wrote...
^ Agreed. If BW would've just waited and when they made their next ME game then they could've from the go had a bi lead character and no one would be warring over who should be and who isn't bi.
Lot's of people are fine with s/s new character options. They aren't however fine with past LI being made into s/s options for a variety or reasons. And I think the response to undeclared crewmen like Joker being made LI has been mixed if not more neutral. I'm sure those ok with new chara s/s options wouldn't even be apposed to those new ones being soly available to their s/s shep and want nothing to do with their opposite sexed sheps ie gay. But leave established characters as they were end game portrayed.
RinjiRenee wrote...
They are appeasing no matter what, but I'd rather them appease the people who have been left out rather than the people who are screaming NO ****** BRO.
It's as Gaider once eloquently put it:
"Privilege always lies with the majority. They're so used to being
catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance . . . And
the person who says that the only way to please them is to restrict
options for others is, if you ask me, the one who deserves it least."
I'd have to agree that that's not a good example since the Tali and Garrus fans were specifically requesting Tali and Garrus while the s/s romance fans have only been requesting a s/s option. Even if we don't get Ash and Kaidan we'd still be getting what we were asking for. Now the Kaidan and Ash fans, they wouldn't be getting what they want but the two groups don't overlap completely.RinjiRenee wrote...
See, that's why I'd be kind of against having only new s/s options. It'd be like the fans of Tali and Garrus being given a new female quarian and a new male turian to romance instead of becoming LI options themselves. Probably a horrible example but I think Vega would be received poorly by the "majority" if he were just there so gay male Shepards can get their groove on.
Ryzaki wrote...
And that's preference. As someone who really doesn't like any of the male squaddies as romances (save Garrus) I'd be fine with 2 new characters. Hell I'd be happy with two new characters. Or Joker.
That is a good quote but the ME team created and encouraged (with their whole Asari aren't females nonsense) this imbalance. So they can't get upset at the fans for being used to it.
Though honestly I would love LIs that were restricted not just based off gender but personality, decisions and the like. Sadly that's not likely.
Destroy Raiden wrote...
Lot's of people are fine with s/s new character options. They aren't however fine with past LI being made into s/s options for a variety or reasons.
Ryzaki wrote...
Though honestly I would love LIs that were restricted not just based off gender but personality, decisions and the like. Sadly that's not likely.
bleetman wrote...
I suppose, though being willing to, for lack of a better word, tamper with their existing characters in such a way seems a bit more dedicated to the idea than adding an entirely new one at this stage. My problem is that the combined character pool ('character' in this sense being 'the guys who join your squad at one stage or another') is, what, seventeen? Not all of them are going to be returning in ME3 on anything more than a temporary basis. Adding in an entirely new, full-time companion who also happens to be the only bisexual in the game looks a tiny bit suspect, as though he's only there to give s/s folk someone to forge the moaning statue with.
Which, were I a more cynical person, I might suspect is exactly the reason they're there at all.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 juillet 2011 - 07:47 .
Modifié par LiaraShepard, 10 juillet 2011 - 07:45 .
RinjiRenee wrote...
With the squadmates as being limited as they are in ME3, the pickings are looking kind of slim.
LiaraShepard wrote...
Heterosexual gamer always had at least two different characters. In Dragon Age Morrigan and Leliana, in DA2 Merril and Isabela, in Jade Empire Dawn Star and Silk Fox. These possible options for male gamer are characters with very different personalities. So it'd be only fair, if homosexual gamer have at least the same two options. Of course, you'll never satisfy everyone. But it's good to have two characters who are different from another, so you can choose between them. Is there only one option it's very likely that you aren't satisfied with it.
Ryzaki wrote...
To me it's more appeasement "well we'll give you the guy you want if you'll be quiet about it."
Uh...Vega was *always* gonna be in the game. He's the "encloypedia." dump for new people. Making him bi isn't just for the sake of appeasement.
Ryzaki wrote...
RinjiRenee wrote...
With the squadmates as being limited as they are in ME3, the pickings are looking kind of slim.
Thus new *characters* not new squadmates. I don't have the OMG MUST BE A SQUADDIE TO BE A LI syndrome. It could be a character onboard the normandy hat's not as headdesking to me as Kelly like a doctor or a scientist.
Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 10 juillet 2011 - 07:50 .
Destroy Raiden wrote...
And I think the response to undeclared crewmen like Joker being made LI has been mixed if not more neutral.
RinjiRenee wrote...
The last thing that I'd want was another Kelly, yikes. I'd just stay a single lone gay shep.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 juillet 2011 - 07:50 .
Destroy Raiden wrote...
Check all the closed anti s/s forms for your answer as to why it's not a good plan the dialogue is still there and would be just as badly received as the pro s/s supporters view the toggle except the character just got toggled in your dialogue wheel and you will know it weather you choose that option or not. We expect flesh and blood people to experience a change in orientation not our game characters.
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