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[AngelicMachinery]

Ryzaki wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

With the squadmates as being limited as they are in ME3, the pickings are looking kind of slim.

Thus new *characters* not new squadmates. I don't have the OMG MUST BE A SQUADDIE TO BE A LI syndrome. It could be a character onboard the normandy hat's not as headdesking to me as Kelly like a doctor or a scientist. 

Eh,   mostly because it seems that in the past characters that are not directly in your squad are severely limited in character interaction.  Sure,  you can talk to Joker...  but,  you never say anything to Joker outside of a few cut scenes.  The squad members typically are stronger than the supporting staff.  Sure,  they could change this...  but,  this is what people are naturally going to assume.  I must admit though,  I wouldn't be happy if the bisexual male was just someone aboard the crew instead of chosen from amongst Shepard's battlefield buddies.

[shepskisaac]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Check all the closed anti s/s forms for your answer as to why it's not a good plan the dialogue is still there and would be just as badly received as the pro s/s supporters view the toggle except the character just got toggled in your dialogue wheel and you will know it weather you choose that option or not. We expect flesh and blood people to experience a change in orientation not our game characters.

Why would BW implement a toggle for people who illogically think any of the characters is changing his/her orientation?

[LiaraShepard]

RinjiRenee wrote...

LiaraShepard wrote...

Heterosexual gamer always had at least two different characters. In Dragon Age Morrigan and Leliana, in DA2 Merril and Isabela, in Jade Empire Dawn Star and Silk Fox. These possible options for male gamer are characters with very different personalities. So it'd be only fair, if homosexual gamer have at least the same two options. Of course, you'll never satisfy everyone. But it's good to have two characters who are different from another, so you can choose between them. Is there only one option it's very likely that you aren't satisfied with it.

There was only one heterosexual option for femshep in ME1, but then they increased that number to 3 in ME2 of course (and continuing the previous one from ME1).

Yes, But as you said, there are some options now, even for femshep. If you get only one homosexual option it's not really fair. I hope for Ash and mybe someone new or Miranda. I can't stand Jack. It'd be horrible, if she is the bi option and I don't have someone else as well. :/ Cause she is too special in her personality. So she's not everyone's taste.

[Ryzaki]

AngelicMachinery wrote...
Eh,   mostly because it seems that in the past characters that are not directly in your squad are severely limited in character interaction.  Sure,  you can talk to Joker...  but,  you never say anything to Joker outside of a few cut scenes.  The squad members typically are stronger than the supporting staff.  Sure,  they could change this...  but,  this is what people are naturally going to assume.  I must admit though,  I wouldn't be happy if the bisexual male was just someone aboard the crew instead of chosen from amongst Shepard's battlefield buddies.

Because BW didn't bother giving them enough character interaction. 

And how often does Shepard actually *talk* to Kaidan outside of commands? I remember one conversation after each mission. So that's 3 convos. I recall 4 conversations with Joker in ME2. Mostly aout him and EDI. That was the roughly the same amount of conversationI got from most of the other characters that I didn't romance (save Thane). The subject of those conversations were widely different (Joker doesn't get personal like the squaddies which he should in ME3) but they were still conversations.  

Which is why I wanted Vega (for those I want a squaddie LI people) *and* someone else (like Joker or a new guy that was a doctor or something) for those who didn't care if the LI was a squaddie. They would have an equal amount of conversations (maybe the doctor would have more to even out the time you have with the squaddie) but yeah. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 juillet 2011 - 07:56 .

[bleetman]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

the dialogue is still there and would be just as badly received as the pro s/s supporters view the toggle except the character just got toggled in your dialogue wheel and you will know it weather you choose that option or not.

Yeah, you see, stuff like this? This is why I tend not to take arguments against s/s seriously. I mean, if having that flirty conversation option there in the wheel is somehow unbareable, and as insulting as requesting that a persons sexuality be filtered, as if it's some kind of disgusting deviancy, I don't know how on earth I'm supposed to respond to that.

And I should stop saying things, because I'm getting aggravated. Sunshine and kittens. Sunshine and kittens.

Modifié par bleetman, 10 juillet 2011 - 07:55 .

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki back to her old tricks I see

Modifié par IsaacShep, 10 juillet 2011 - 07:55 .

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki back to her old tricks I see

Yes because ra forbid I don't want old LIs to be the only romances for personal reasons. 

RA FORBID. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 juillet 2011 - 07:57 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Ryzaki wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
Eh,   mostly because it seems that in the past characters that are not directly in your squad are severely limited in character interaction.  Sure,  you can talk to Joker...  but,  you never say anything to Joker outside of a few cut scenes.  The squad members typically are stronger than the supporting staff.  Sure,  they could change this...  but,  this is what people are naturally going to assume.  I must admit though,  I wouldn't be happy if the bisexual male was just someone aboard the crew instead of chosen from amongst Shepard's battlefield buddies.

Because BW didn't bother giving them enough character interaction. 

And how often does Shepard actually *talk* to Kaidan outside of commands? I recall 4 conversations with Joker in ME2. Mostly aout him and EDI. That was the roughly the same amount of conversationI got from most of the other characters that I didn't romance (save Thane). 

Which is why I wanted Vega (for those I want a squaddie LI people) *and* someone else (like Joker or a new guy that was a doctor or something) for those who didn't care if the LI was a squaddie. 

You can say what you will,  but, you can have conversations with Edi.  I don't really remember having conversations with Joker.  You walk up to him,  he and Edi argue he throws off a sarcastic comment and you are given the same three dialogue options for every conversation.  They didn't flesh him out,  and people may be reluctant to think that is going to change.  

I'm not really all that invested in whom the additional bisexual characters are.  There is no one in particular that I just NEED to swing both ways.  Though,  I will admit I think that it should be a squadie.

[bleetman]

Ryzaki wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki back to her old tricks I see

Yes because ra forbid I don't want old LIs to be the only romances for personal reasons. 

RA FORBID. 

Hey, I already saw your point. I wouldn't say Vega shouldn't be a s/s option, I'm just not overwhelmingly keen on him being the only s/s option.

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...
Yes because ra forbid I don't want old LIs for personal reasons. 

RA FORBID.

Lulz. It's just you bringing Kaidan and making him look 'worse' than Joker w-h-e-n-e-v-e-r possible. If Joker's such a fantastic choice, you will easily be able to show it talking solely about him.

[Jimmy Fury]

AngelicMachinery wrote...
Eh,   mostly because it seems that in the past characters that are not directly in your squad are severely limited in character interaction.  Sure,  you can talk to Joker...  but,  you never say anything to Joker outside of a few cut scenes. 

You missed a lot of Joker Banter then. He has more dialogue than any of the sqauddies in ME2. He gets new dialogue after every new squaddie is recruited, after big mission, and a lot of random banter with EDI.
And that's not including all the easter eggs you can catch just from walking around behind him.
Just sayin.

Joker is awesome.

and should totally be a romance option...

[Ryzaki]

AngelicMachinery wrote...
You can say what you will,  but, you can have conversations with Edi.  I don't really remember having conversations with Joker.  You walk up to him,  he and Edi argue he throws off a sarcastic comment and you are given the same three dialogue options for every conversation.  They didn't flesh him out,  and people may be reluctant to think that is going to change.  

I'm not really all that invested in whom the additional bisexual characters are.  There is no one in particular that I just NEED to swing both ways.  Though,  I will admit I think that it should be a squadie.

 

You can have convos with her. But the same applies for Legion and Chakwas if you want to get technical. You can have a conversation with anyone on the ship. BW chose to make the convos with your squaddies more fleshed out. I wish they hadn't but they did. Its not too late to change that however.(I miss moments with Joker where he overreacted and chewed Shep out before realizing that Shep didn't care about his syndrome. Or even talking to Chakwas about Kaidan or Pressly about his distrust of aliens).

It probably should. I just am not under the impression that it *has* to be or it'll suck.  

[Rinji the Bearded]

Hey, Kelly really doesn't deserve to be knocked on so much I think. I mean, she does feed the fish. Does any other LI feed the fish? Heck naw.

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...

Lulz. It's just you bringing Kaidan and making him look 'worse' than Joker w-h-e-n-e-v-e-r possible. If Joker's such a fantastic choice, you will easily be able to show it talking solely about him.

...It was an EXAMPLE of how little dialogue there was with squadmates in ME1 if you didn't romance them. But everything is obviously secretly trying to end your digital romance right? Please. 

And yeah Joker has tons of dialogue. 
- When Shep's first on the ship
-Everytime you recruit someone new
-If you go out with new squaddies
- Those comments when you just stand over him
- After Horizon
- After the Collector steal the crew
- I believe there's one after the SM
- And of course him and EDI bickering.

I do wish he had more conversations even if it was only about how much the mission sucked. 

The conversations I recall are: 
- First being on the ship and trusting Cerberus
- After Horizon
- Him and EDI after the Collectors steal the crew
- There's one I'm missing. Him and EDI arguing before the collectors. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 juillet 2011 - 08:08 .

[ArawnNox]

My current hypothesis is this:
The Vermire Survivor will be an s/s option
The reasons for this have been discussed plenty of times, so I'll only repeat them if asked.

I suspect we'll also be getting s/s options in the form of our new squad mates.
Reasoning: New characters, blank slates. (I'm very much wondering who the new female squaddie will be).

I don't think any other previous squad mates will be available, if they're doing some sort of permanent/non-permanent squad system, AND the fact any of them could be dead.

As for the LI's being seen as appeasment, I think that's not giving Bioware enough credit. They've got good writing teams that present characters that appeal to different spectrums. Look at characters like Lelianna or Thane. You'll find those that LOVE the characters and those that HATE the characters.

Will everyone be happy? No, that's impossible.

[bleetman]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

You missed a lot of Joker Banter then. He has more dialogue than any of the sqauddies in ME2. He gets new dialogue after every new squaddie is recruited, after big mission, and a lot of random banter with EDI.
And that's not including all the easter eggs you can catch just from walking around behind him.

Right, but those aren't conversations. They're Shepard walking up to Joker, Joker cracking wise and Shepard I-should-go'ing.

Not that I wouldn't welcome him being further developed, up to and possibly including the level of a romance interest. I'm just nitpicking.

Modifié par bleetman, 10 juillet 2011 - 08:07 .

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...
...It was an EXAMPLE of how little dialogue there was with squadmates in ME1 if you didn't romnce them. But everything is obviously secretly trying to end your digital romance right? Please. 

Yeah and it just happened that you used Kaidan example. As for little dialogue lolololol. BS. Kaidan has one extra dialogue with ManShep over FemShep romance. Other than little unimportant tibids about his parents, ManShep and unromanced FemShep know eveyrthing about him romanced FemShep does.

[Maugrim]

bleetman wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

You missed a lot of Joker Banter then. He has more dialogue than any of the sqauddies in ME2. He gets new dialogue after every new squaddie is recruited, after big mission, and a lot of random banter with EDI.
And that's not including all the easter eggs you can catch just from walking around behind him.

Right, but those aren't conversations. They're Shepard walking up to Joker, Joker cracking wise and Shepard I-should-go'ing.

Fixed!

[AngelicMachinery]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
Eh,   mostly because it seems that in the past characters that are not directly in your squad are severely limited in character interaction.  Sure,  you can talk to Joker...  but,  you never say anything to Joker outside of a few cut scenes. 

You missed a lot of Joker Banter then. He has more dialogue than any of the sqauddies in ME2. He gets new dialogue after every new squaddie is recruited, after big mission, and a lot of random banter with EDI.
And that's not including all the easter eggs you can catch just from walking around behind him.
Just sayin.

Joker is awesome.

and should totally be a romance option...

I know joker had a lot of dialogue,  but,  he doesn't really have many conversations.  I might be saying this wrong...you didn't really interact,  for the most part you just listened and than said one of the same three lines of dialogue.  I could be totally wrong of course,  but,  I don't remember anything similiar to the squadie interaction.

I really wouldn't mind if joker became a romance option nor would I mind if doctor Chakwas did (I've always found age gaps in relationships to be horribly exciting)  I'd probably need to roll up a single inexperinced paragon Shepard just for her.  

I just think unless they overhaul the way crew members interact it doesn't look likely.  I will admit though,  I do admit part of me loves relationships that blossom amongst combat situations which may be why I myself lean more towards the idea of the inclusion of squadies and not crew members.  

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
...It was an EXAMPLE of how little dialogue there was with squadmates in ME1 if you didn't romnce them. But everything is obviously secretly trying to end your digital romance right? Please. 

Yeah and it just happened that you used Kaidan example. As for little dialogue lolololol. BS. Kaidan has one extra dialogue with ManShep over FemShep romance. Other than little unimportant tibids about his parents, ManShep and unromanced FemShep know eveyrthing about him romanced FemShep does.

OMG this is pathetic. 

You're really acting like this is some personal attack against the Kaidan mance and not a demonstration of how little dialogue difference there is between a non romanced squaddie and Joker? For reals? 

You'd rather I used Garrus then? Because obviously you're far too sensitive about the issue. 

Fine *Garrus* only has a few conversations with Shepard in ME1. He has the three (or four) convos you can use to push him towards paragon/renegade then the Dr. Saleon convo. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 juillet 2011 - 08:11 .

[jlb524]

Destroy Raiden wrote...
Check all the closed anti s/s forms for your answer as to why it's not a good plan the dialogue is still there and would be just as badly received as the pro s/s supporters view the toggle except the character just got toggled in your dialogue wheel and you will know it weather you choose that option or not. We expect flesh and blood people to experience a change in orientation not our game characters.

My Paragon got toggled to Renegade b/c of all those Renegade options on meh wheel!

[AngelicMachinery]

Ryzaki wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
You can say what you will,  but, you can have conversations with Edi.  I don't really remember having conversations with Joker.  You walk up to him,  he and Edi argue he throws off a sarcastic comment and you are given the same three dialogue options for every conversation.  They didn't flesh him out,  and people may be reluctant to think that is going to change.  

I'm not really all that invested in whom the additional bisexual characters are.  There is no one in particular that I just NEED to swing both ways.  Though,  I will admit I think that it should be a squadie.

 

You can have convos with her. But the same applies for Legion and Chakwas if you want to get technical. You can have a conversation with anyone on the ship. BW chose to make the convos with your squaddies more fleshed out. I wish they hadn't but they did. Its not too late to change that however.(I miss moments with Joker where he overreacted and chewed Shep out before realizing that Shep didn't care about his syndrome. Or even talking to Chakwas about Kaidan or Pressly about his distrust of aliens).

It probably should. I just am not under the impression that it *has* to be or it'll suck.  

I was greatly dissapointed with the lack of character interaction with legion,  I got the character and than it was off to the end of the game.  This was my BIG problem with the way the story was told,  I get this fantastic well spring of knowledge on the geth (Whom I heart immensely) and I couldn't get really anything out of him.  As for Chakwas she's a crew member and not a squadie so,  she kind of gets pushed to the curb when it comes to dialogue outside of her awesome fetch quest scene.

I'd like a return to ME style crew dialogue,  but, even than the conversations were for the most part limited to one dialogue tree.

[Jimmy Fury]

bleetman wrote...
Right, but those aren't conversations. They're Shepard walking up to Joker, Joker cracking wise and Shepard I-should-go'ing.

Really? They aren't conversations compared to saaaay.... :innocent:

[ArawnNox]

jlb524 wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...
Check all the closed anti s/s forms for your answer as to why it's not a good plan the dialogue is still there and would be just as badly received as the pro s/s supporters view the toggle except the character just got toggled in your dialogue wheel and you will know it weather you choose that option or not. We expect flesh and blood people to experience a change in orientation not our game characters.

My Paragon got toggled to Renegade b/c of all those Renegade options on meh wheel!

XD

On a tangental note: My Renagon from ME1 is getting far more Paragon points in ME2, because flipping the bird to cerberus keeps getting her Paragon Points. >.>

[Ryzaki]

AngelicMachinery wrote...
I was greatly dissapointed with the lack of character interaction with legion,  I got the character and than it was off to the end of the game.  This was my BIG problem with the way the story was told,  I get this fantastic well spring of knowledge on the geth (Whom I heart immensely) and I couldn't get really anything out of him.  As for Chakwas she's a crew member and not a squadie so,  she kind of gets pushed to the curb when it comes to dialogue outside of her awesome fetch quest scene.

I'd like a return to ME style crew dialogue,  but, even than the conversations were for the most part limited to one dialogue tree.

If you play after the end doing N7 missions opens his conversations up. There's not many but they're pretty good. 

They were which was pretty eh. I didn't realize how little dialogue ME1 happened until it played DAO. I was like "that's it?!?" afterwards.