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[Chun Hei]

@ JLB524 -- Is that supposed to be Morrigan?

[bleetman]

Chun Hei wrote...

@ JLB524 -- Is that supposed to be Morrigan?

It's her Dragon Age 2 mage character, I believe.

[jlb524]

bleetman wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

@ JLB524 -- Is that supposed to be Morrigan?

It's her Dragon Age 2 mage character, I believe.

Correct.

She has the Morrigan hair though.

[Chun Hei]

jlb524 wrote...

Correct.

She has the Morrigan hair though.

Cool beans.

[OSUP]

LiquidGrape wrote...

OSUP wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I thought they still said Liara doesn't count and there will be someone new for f/f that does?

I'm pretty sure someone tweeted that (can't remember who though).

Jesse Houston tweeted and informally confirmed at one point that the s/s love interests will be human, yes.

No M/M Garrus?

Ack! No, he didn't confirm or deny any such thing. Sorry, I put that poorly.
I meant to say, he informally confirmed at one point that FemShep will be able to romance a human female.
Whether there will be more than one s/s option, if there will also be other alien characters available or any information as for MaleShep's options is still unaccounted for.

Oh thank the maker!

[ffej96]

 Does FemShep doing Samara's loyalty mission kinda/sorta set the stage for s/s or does it not count?

[bleetman]

I wouldn't think so. Samara already turned down Paragon Shepard in ME2. Renegade Shepard she hopes not to see again, since she'd be obligated to kill him/her. Justicars and their code.

[Augoeides]

I think if Samara returns in any capacity in response to romance it will be as a sub-plot that ends in the same futility.

Try as S/he may Shepard, Paragon or Renegade, will not be able to fulfill a romance with Samara. Throw in as much sexual and romantic angst and pursuing and coming close to it as you want but it will end like it did in ME2. That's the vibe I get anyway.

[ElitePinecone]

ffej96 wrote...

 Does FemShep doing Samara's loyalty mission kinda/sorta set the stage for s/s or does it not count?

I'd like to think Samara is strong enough to resist Shepard. 

It's refresting that *one* character, at least, doesn't swoon and fall head over heels for the Commander. 

Her backstory is full of tragedy and personal sacrifice, refusing romantic advances just fits into this very well. 

[Augoeides]

Pinecone your animated sig is deliciously awesome

I also agree with your points on Samara.

[Jimmy Fury]

Quething wrote...
@Finis Valorum: It won't be only the VS; that much is guaranteed, since we've got at least one guaranteed new character for s/s (which is why everybody thinks it'll be Vega, since it'd be beyond foolhardy for BioWare to add more than two new squaddies in ME3. I think that in light of ME2 that's slightly optimistic reasoning, frankly, but I am a pessimist by nature, so...).

I wonder if the guarantee means a brand new character like Vega or if they're counting characters that are new romance options...

I'd quite like to see the s/s romance options be the VS, Liara, and Joker (duh )
That way we get some variety, we get someone who has a bond with Shep, and .... ok well someone will probably still try to argue that 2 bisexual humans is unrealistic but whatever. Heterosexuals will still have Garrus and Tali.

-edit. Wait... that doesn't cover a new female LI... crap

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 12 juillet 2011 - 01:43 .

[Quething]

bleetman wrote...

I wouldn't think so. Samara already turned down Paragon Shepard in ME2. Renegade Shepard she hopes not to see again, since she'd be obligated to kill him/her. Justicars and their code.

Especially because Samara's gold-plated Renegade herself

I actually was a little irritated by Samara's loyalty mission. I mean, the fact that Morinth is a boilerplate Depraved Bisexual is sort of negated by the fact that every other asari is bisexual too... except that negation then gets negated by the fact that every other asari we meet in a relationship is in a relationship with a male, so they're pretty much bisexual in name only, unless they're a) with Shep or a vicious sociopath. And Nef wonders if she's a freak for being attracted to a girl (really? in 2180whatever, with asari everywhere, queer humans are still so alien a concept as to seem freakish?). And IDK, I guess it just plays to my serious, serious issues with the whole concept of asari in general, the way femShep responds to the whole thing. There's a veneer of bisexuality-as-performance over the mission; femShep is flirting and seducing and engaging sexually with another woman, but only with the viewer's understanding that it's not real and she doesn't really mean it, that she's secretly repulsed by the very thought of being with Morinth and at the end of the day, both of these women were just playing a part for the benefit of some other goal.

It's just... uncomfortably familiar, regardless of that end goal ostensibly being "stop a killer/get fed" rather than "arouse the totally socially-conforming males in the audience."

Shame too, it's easily one of the best-designed missions in the game.

Modifié par Quething, 12 juillet 2011 - 01:32 .

[KawaiiKatie]

@Quething

Yeah, try playing that mission as a gay manShep. Throwing him into a room with a killer vagina? Thanks a lot, Bioware.

Where was my option to sit way, waaaaaaaaaaay on the other side of the couch and use the cushions as a barricade between myself and Morinth? Sheesh....

[Chun Hei]

@ Quething -- I do not believe that every Asari IS bisexual. They are raised to NOT seek out their own as sexual partners and their society shuns those who do. They are all female. With the social pressure to avoid "pureblood" offspring it is easy to see how the apparent rarity of alien female romance partners could come about, if unintentionally.

In the Mass Effect universe females still have a feminine vibe that runs through all species. Well, mostly its the female VAs.

[AngelicMachinery]

Chun Hei wrote...

@ Quething -- I do not believe that every Asari IS bisexual. They are raised to NOT seek out their own as sexual partners and their society shuns those who do. They are all female. With the social pressure to avoid "pureblood" offspring it is easy to see how the apparent rarity of alien female romance partners could come about, if unintentionally.

In the Mass Effect universe females still have a feminine vibe that runs through all species. Well, mostly its the female VAs.

Yes,  but, one would assume that they would lean more towards the female of the species and not vice versa.  There aren't really any defined reasons why asari seem to instinctually throw themselves into the laps of men instead of women.  If this were so the race itself would have died out long ago,  as there would be no "Masculine" stereotype for them to latch onto.

They can easily avoid pure blood breeding and still interact with woman,  particularly human women whom are similiar to their own race.

[DaeJi]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Yes,  but, one would assume that they would lean more towards the female of the species and not vice versa.  There aren't really any defined reasons why asari seem to instinctually throw themselves into the laps of men instead of women.  If this were so the race itself would have died out long ago,  as there would be no "Masculine" stereotype for them to latch onto.

They can easily avoid pure blood breeding and still interact with woman,  particularly human women whom are similiar to their own race.

Females of other species probably need to be... open to being with another females to be with an Asari.

[KawaiiKatie]

Chun Hei wrote...

I do not believe that every Asari IS bisexual. They are raised to NOT seek out their own as sexual partners and their society shuns those who do. They are all female. With the social pressure to avoid "pureblood" offspring it is easy to see how the apparent rarity of alien female romance partners could come about, if unintentionally.

Am I the only one who hates the unfortunate implications of discouring an all-lesbian race from reproducing within their own species...?

It's, like... Okay, we have this super-advanced race of lesbians. That's right, lesbians. They've gotten by on millenniums of female-on-female reproduction. They don't need men.

Oh wait, yes they do! In fact, they need men (or femShep) so badly that they discourage themselves from seeking partnerships with one another. Of course, they're still totally attracted to females and they'll totally have that threesome that the player has always wanted, but it's genetically benefitial to not have sex with one another.

It's like... It's like Bioware said to themselves, "Oh, wait, a race of lesbians? No! Lesbians aren't hot! Bisexual women are hot! We have to make men feel needed! So even though the lesbians can reproduce with one another, they really prefer not to. They still need manlovin'."

.......yeah, I have issues with the Asari.

[Chun Hei]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Yes,  but, one would assume that they would lean more towards the female of the species and not vice versa.  There aren't really any defined reasons why asari seem to instinctually throw themselves into the laps of men instead of women.  If this were so the race itself would have died out long ago,  as there would be no "Masculine" stereotype for them to latch onto.

They can easily avoid pure blood breeding and still interact with woman,  particularly human women whom are similiar to their own race.

The Asari mantra is diversity. Seek something new. Asari can never be male so males will always have the advantage of being the most different. I do not think Asari tell their daughters to avoid other females but females are not their ideal of diversity. Kind of how kids of almost every race in America grew up thinking the blonde skinny White girl with the boobs was the hottest. Nobody told them that Black and Asian girls were not pretty, but the blonde girl was the ideal.

[AngelicMachinery]

DaeJi wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Yes,  but, one would assume that they would lean more towards the female of the species and not vice versa.  There aren't really any defined reasons why asari seem to instinctually throw themselves into the laps of men instead of women.  If this were so the race itself would have died out long ago,  as there would be no "Masculine" stereotype for them to latch onto.

They can easily avoid pure blood breeding and still interact with woman,  particularly human women whom are similiar to their own race.

Females of other species probably need to be... open to being with another females to be with an Asari.

With all the xenophilia we see,  I don't see this as a huge problem.  For some reason woman are willing to throw themselves at dinosaur birds that they're alergic too, but lesbians and bisexual woman are still rare.  I'm sorry,  I can't take that seriously.

[AngelicMachinery]

Chun Hei wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Yes,  but, one would assume that they would lean more towards the female of the species and not vice versa.  There aren't really any defined reasons why asari seem to instinctually throw themselves into the laps of men instead of women.  If this were so the race itself would have died out long ago,  as there would be no "Masculine" stereotype for them to latch onto.

They can easily avoid pure blood breeding and still interact with woman,  particularly human women whom are similiar to their own race.

The Asari mantra is diversity. Seek something new. Asari can never be male so males will always have the advantage of being the most different. I do not think Asari tell their daughters to avoid other females but females are not their ideal of diversity. Kind of how kids of almost every race in America grew up thinking the blonde skinny White girl with the boobs was the hottest. Nobody told them that Black and Asian girls were not pretty, but the blonde girl was the ideal.

Asari don't gain any additional genetic diversity from a male,  they receive the same genetic markers and the like from a female of the same species.  One would assume that the XY chromosome would actually be nothing more than a waste as it can't be integrated into there own genetic background.  I think it's bull**** that an intergalactic race of former lesbians are just begging for the ****.

[Chun Hei]

KawaiiKatie wrote...
.......yeah, I have issues with the Asari.

I wonder who comes up with all the nonhuman females in fantasy and sci/fi. Very lonely men I guess sometimes. Do not get me started on female Drow Elves. The scantily clad dark dominatrix willl kill you... AFTER she has sex with you. I cannot believe there is an entire race of women like that.

There is only me.

[bleetman]

I had some issues with Samara's loyalty mission too. It's genuinely the only one I can't extract any enjoyment out of. Which is a shame, as it's probably the most unique. Solve a problem without using your guns for once?

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Am I the only one who hates the unfortunate implications of discouring an all-lesbian race from reproducing within their own species...?

No. It's a little iffy.

[Augoeides]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

@Quething

Yeah, try playing that mission as a gay manShep. Throwing him into a room with a killer vagina? Thanks a lot, Bioware.

Where was my option to sit way, waaaaaaaaaaay on the other side of the couch and use the cushions as a barricade between myself and Morinth? Sheesh....

I have.

It was horrible, almost degrading having to play the part of horny/flirtatious heterosexual male.

Can we get a semi-important mission in ME3 where people have to pretend,(or not pretend) to hit on a gay guy or gal (mission moprhs character to same-sex of Shepard) to finish it? 

[KawaiiKatie]

Augoeides wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

@Quething

Yeah, try playing that mission as a gay manShep. Throwing him into a room with a killer vagina? Thanks a lot, Bioware.

Where was my option to sit way, waaaaaaaaaaay on the other side of the couch and use the cushions as a barricade between myself and Morinth? Sheesh....

I have.

It was horrible, almost degrading having to play the part of horny/flirtatious heterosexual male.

Can we get a semi-important mission in ME3 where people have to pretend,(or not pretend) to hit on a gay guy or gal (mission moprhs character to same-sex of Shepard) to finish it? 

RIGHT? UGH. WHY, BIOWARE? WHY?

Especially after the Dark Ritual in DA:O! I'm sorry, but I'll never let that go. It's like, "Oh, yeah, you can be a gay man, but heterosexual sex is where the plot is at, so I'll just be waiting over here without any underwear."

I just... I hated it. Seducing Morinth was awful.

"Hey handsome, wanna come sit over here in the dark with me?"

"Oh, cuddle up with you and your murderous vag? I'd like nothing better... apparently."

"So, tell me about yourself. What're you into?"

"Dicks, mostly."

"What?"

"I mean, art."

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 12 juillet 2011 - 02:10 .

[Quething]

bleetman wrote...

I had some issues with Samara's loyalty mission too. It's genuinely the only one I can't extract any enjoyment out of. Which is a shame, as it's probably the most unique. Solve a problem without using your guns for once?

Samara does say that if Morinth sees a gun on you she'll run. I'd say it's better addressed than, like, "why did Kasumi come to Hock's party dressed like a thief instead of swanked out as Shep's date" (and see, that would have been a fun use of faking fem!Shep's bisexuality. Kasumi's even totally
main!Shep's type).

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Am I the only one who hates the unfortunate implications of discouring an
all-lesbian race from reproducing within their own species...?

No. It's a little iffy.

Yup. Also, space is a little big. Stars are a little hot. Fandom is a little contentious.