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[ArawnNox]

Augoeides wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Yeah, I don't... get it. I'm not sure if the pro-heterosexuality banners are supposed to oppose homosexuality, or if they're just trying to express how really really pleased they are with Mass Effect's existing heterosexual relationships. I don't want to be too quick to judge, because I wouldn't accuse a simple "pro-homosexuality" banner of being anti-heterosexual, and none of the "pro-heterosexuality" banners I've seen have been overtly anti-homosexual. So, I don't know who started them or why, but I don't want to jump to the conclusion that they oppose homosexuality.

Just read the description of their group and everything will be clear. social.bioware.com/group/1635/

Well it seems they're trying to be respectful about it and we should respect their views, and hell, we should do that with any group regardless of whether they are trying to be respectful like this one or not. Of interest they do have a poll going that ask whether Gay romance should be included with yay/don't care or nay and I think everyone should take a moment to vote in it, why? Because I don't think they've made it to prove anything, I think they've made to honestly gauge opinion.

Respectful or not, the first sentence of their group description blatantly ignores a whole facet of gameplay: F/F relations, which are rather easy to do in the series.
And a poll about whether or not s/s romances should be included isn't going to change Bioware's mind, at this stage of the game.

[ArawnNox]

IsaacShep wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...
I wonder what their stance on Asari is.
It has to be either "Monogendered: doesn't count" or "conveniantly ignored"

It's much more simple. "ZOMG lesbians so hot ****** boner!!!11"

I wasn't going to be that crude about it. >.>

[Abispa]

The idea that having s/s relationships in Mass Effect will somehow threaten heterosexual romances is... very sad. Seriously, does anyone really doubt that Miranda fans are going to be denied some heterosexual snuggle-bunnies? However, I am happy the people with that mindset have their own forum to vent their frustrations rather than having some moderator point them here to have a debate over a topic Bioware won't let us debate.

[Augoeides]

IsaacShep wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...
I wonder what their stance on Asari is.
It has to be either "Monogendered: doesn't count" or "conveniantly ignored"

It's much more simple. "ZOMG lesbians so hot ****** boner!!!11"

OR they could be really against it and some may even view Asari f/f relationships and Kelly as big mistakes on Bioware's part. We're not a part of the group and we're not able to interview each individual member to gauge their responses so we have no idea what the group and individual motivations behind it all are.

However, given that S/S has been confirmed, campaigning against it while likely have no effect, why? Just imagine the backlash from the community and not just on here should it be removed despite being promised, I think we know how it could be spun as something akin to hate-crime by various groups. Political explosions aside, I also have faith that the ME team will live up to their promises and apply any "rights" players have to the game's content (murky at best xD) equally to the minority and majority.

[shepskisaac]

ArawnNox wrote...

I wasn't going to be that crude about it. >.>

It's unfortunately sad truth for alot of the s/s opponents. It ain't a coincidence complaints about gay romances started to appear on this scale after it was announced male/male romances will be now introduced. Few complained about female/female romances in ME1/ME2, tons of straight guys role-played them.

Augoeides wrote...
OR they could be really against it and some may even view Asari f/f relationships and Kelly as big mistakes on Bioware's part.

I have no doubts some are against any kind of homosexuality. But everyone knows the majority of these opponents is made up of straight guys who like lesbians and will only complain about gay guys.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 15 juillet 2011 - 01:30 .

[KawaiiKatie]

Augoeides wrote...

Well it seems they're trying to be respectful about it and we should respect their views, and hell, we should do that with any group regardless of whether they are trying to be respectful like this one or not. Of interest they do have a poll going that ask whether Gay romance should be included with yay/don't care or nay and I think everyone should take a moment to vote in it, why? Because I don't think they've made it to prove anything, I think they've made to honestly gauge opinion.

True, they say that they want to maintain "friendly" relations with "the homosexual group," but I'm kind of digusted by the implication that homosexuals and heterosexuals are so neatly divided. The implication that if you're pro-heterosexual, you're exclusively pro-heterosexual and therefore anti-homosexual. There are heterosexuals on this thread who support same-sex romances in ME3, and many homosexuals absolutely support heterosexuality in ME3.

When I see a group called "Supporters of Heterosexuality" I think, "Great! The heterosexual romances in Mass Effect were awesome, and they deserve support! I'll join in!"

But then I read the group description and realize that no, they're no pro-heterosexual. They're anti-homosexual. They can frame themselves however they'd like, but they are still those who "do not want a gay Shepard, gay dialog options, gay anything in future Mass Effect titles."

I'm pro-homosexual. I'm pro-heterosexual. I support homosexuality in ME3, but I also support heterosexuality. I support xenophilia and having little blue babies with Liara. I support it all. And to imply that I have to take a side is pretty insulting.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 15 juillet 2011 - 01:30 .

[shepskisaac]

They don't want any good relationship with the homosexual group. They're playing safe to avoid getting banned and thus being unable to lobby against homosexuality. They blatantly admit it: "Getting in trouble with moderators is not the way to achieve our goal".

[Augoeides]

ArawnNox wrote...

Augoeides wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Yeah, I don't... get it. I'm not sure if the pro-heterosexuality banners are supposed to oppose homosexuality, or if they're just trying to express how really really pleased they are with Mass Effect's existing heterosexual relationships. I don't want to be too quick to judge, because I wouldn't accuse a simple "pro-homosexuality" banner of being anti-heterosexual, and none of the "pro-heterosexuality" banners I've seen have been overtly anti-homosexual. So, I don't know who started them or why, but I don't want to jump to the conclusion that they oppose homosexuality.

Just read the description of their group and everything will be clear. social.bioware.com/group/1635/

Well it seems they're trying to be respectful about it and we should respect their views, and hell, we should do that with any group regardless of whether they are trying to be respectful like this one or not. Of interest they do have a poll going that ask whether Gay romance should be included with yay/don't care or nay and I think everyone should take a moment to vote in it, why? Because I don't think they've made it to prove anything, I think they've made to honestly gauge opinion.

Respectful or not, the first sentence of their group description blatantly ignores a whole facet of gameplay: F/F relations, which are rather easy to do in the series.
And a poll about whether or not s/s romances should be included isn't going to change Bioware's mind, at this stage of the game.

Oh I know the poll won't (see above!) however upon voting, 2/3 of the voters had chosen 'yay', in a sense, if nothing more, the poll can serve as an indicator to them that statistically this is not the will of the ME community, and given that they already have heterosexual romance in ME3 no matter what, it's not like they can campaign about inequality.

I never said their points seemed particularly well thought out or logically conclusive, but they get props from me for behaving in what appears to be a mature manner. Like the creationist who instead of telling me evolution was wrong and a whole bunch of other stuff, very clearly and concisely explained his opinion on the matter to me by explaining it hinges on the hebrew word 'yom' (sp?) and then handed me a pamphlet explaining fossilization and saying he would understand completely if I chose to throw it away. I thought his points were kind of flimsy, and the pamphlet was well-mannered but kind of supported by toothpicks for pillars BUT he showed me respect and I showed him respect and our differences were there but we didn't stop getting along.

I also met a woman once who thought homosexuality was demon possession and after I very nearly lost it and slaughtered her verbally we came to an understanding that we were anti-each other, she was anti-homosexual and I am anti-hysteric-black-and-white-and-theologically-immature-perspectives. We talk, we're not friends, but we've come to an understanding that allows us to function when in each other's presence and do so respectfully.

There's a point in there somewhere.

Maybe I'm just a softie with high-hopes for humanity? D:

Modifié par Augoeides, 15 juillet 2011 - 01:38 .

[Abispa]

Dude, does this make me a traitor to my sexual persuasion? I mean, I KNOW I'm straight. I mean, sure, Jacob's ass is pretty well defined by his superhero suit, but I don't spend THAT much time looking at it. Often.

*Ahem.*

[KawaiiKatie]

IsaacShep wrote...

They don't want any good relationship with the homosexual group. They're playing safe to avoid getting banned and thus being unable to lobby against homosexuality. They blatantly admit it: "Getting in trouble with moderators is not the way to achieve our goal".

Their goal to ban all homosexual content from Mass Effect. <_<

Well, have fun with that, Opposers of Homosexuality In Mass Effect. That's the correct name of your group, by the way. Have fun trying to get Liara and the Asari and Kelly Chambers removed, or have fun convincing yourself that Liara is only romanceable by manShep, or that she isn't really a woman, or that Kelly Chamber did a little stripper-dance for femShep because femShep is a straight woman who simply appreciates the female form. SERIOUSLY, KNOCK YOURSELVES OUT.

[ArawnNox]

Yeah, it was the "gay anything" that set me off. It's like, "Hello? Did you PLAY the games? Liara hits on femshep, Tali makes an awkward pass at her (that's how I'm taking the "linking suits" talk, dammit), Liara is the result of an f/f relationship, Mornith has a thing for artsy women, Samara develops a thing for paragon femshep, Kelly fawns over femshep, al-Jilani has daliances with asari. And that's what I can think of off the top of my head.

The games are slanted towards girl/girl same-sex romances and that's without needing to read any subtext (okay, my Tali example is off, but that's wishful thinking).

For "no gay anything" to happen, you'd have to use that "R" word that's getting flung around and take out the whole Asari race, as well as gloss over several other instances of f/f stuff.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Oh well, they can just be buttpained forever.

Nothing much to see there, y'all.

[Abispa]

What about Nef calling herself a "freak" in ME2? That is acceptable but male Shepard and... um... Jacob... ahem... Jacob kissing is something that needs to be stopped?

[Chun Hei]

@ Abispa -- Is there something I should know?

[lietk12]

Don't forget Captain Gavorn and his tricks!

[Abispa]

@ Chun Hei -- Just that the brother needs some play. Thousands of gay men on this thread are all, "Oh Kaidan!" and they get a wave going, but what does Jacob get? Nothing, that's what. Oh, maybe one or two people have chimed in, but I don't know if they're legit or they just feel sorry for him like I do.

[silentassassin264]

Hey, if you are going to bring up Khalisah, you also have to bring up Gavorn and the human male.

[Ryzaki]

Abispa wrote...

I'm just pro-sexual period. If the partners are consenting adults, they can have relations with anyone they wish.

This is pretty much how I see it. Though I'm odd enough to go "if you wanna sleep with your family/boss/whatever. as long as said person is consenting. Not my business, do not care." 

A rare breed it seems.

Nah I'm fine with whoever the m/m romance is along as I don't have the urge to throw them under a bus. And in which case I'll just do the widower thing. 

Oh yeah anyone else watch Suits? It's coming on in about 20 minutes. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 juillet 2011 - 01:52 .

[shepskisaac]

Abispa wrote...

@ Chun Hei -- Just that the brother needs some play. Thousands of gay men on this thread are all, "Oh Kaidan!" and they get a wave going, but what does Jacob get? Nothing, that's what. Oh, maybe one or two people have chimed in, but I don't know if they're legit or they just feel sorry for him like I do.

For these amazing pecs, Jacob can get my Shep's ass.

[Siansonea]

Is there some reason we're discussing some group that opposes same-sex content? Call me a hall monitor, but that seems pretty off-topic to me. And also a whole lot of no fun. Those people can have their group, we have ours, and that's that. In any case, it's a moot point, since the content is ALREADY in the game, and MORE is promised. It would be like creating a "no aliens in ME3" group. Whatever.

Now let's talk about something fun.

[Blacklash93]

Am I the only one who wonders if the only reason we got our confirmation on s/s romances so early is because we flooded Casey's twitter...

[ipgd]

Abispa wrote...

@ Chun Hei -- Just that the brother needs some play. Thousands of gay men on this thread are all, "Oh Kaidan!" and they get a wave going, but what does Jacob get? Nothing, that's what. Oh, maybe one or two people have chimed in, but I don't know if they're legit or they just feel sorry for him like I do.

Poor Jacob was just blessed with an unfortunate resemblance to Kanye West and nobody wants to spend too much time thinking about that guy. We've just dashed Jacob from our memories.

[Ryzaki]

Abispa wrote...

@ Chun Hei -- Just that the brother needs some play. Thousands of gay men on this thread are all, "Oh Kaidan!" and they get a wave going, but what does Jacob get? Nothing, that's what. Oh, maybe one or two people have chimed in, but I don't know if they're legit or they just feel sorry for him like I do.

The priiize drove everyone away. 

[Siansonea]

ipgd wrote...

Abispa wrote...

@ Chun Hei -- Just that the brother needs some play. Thousands of gay men on this thread are all, "Oh Kaidan!" and they get a wave going, but what does Jacob get? Nothing, that's what. Oh, maybe one or two people have chimed in, but I don't know if they're legit or they just feel sorry for him like I do.

Poor Jacob was just blessed with an unfortunate resemblance to Kanye West and nobody wants to spend too much time thinking about that guy. We've just dashed Jacob from our memories.

I still think Jacob's lack of popularity is more about his facial animation than the design itself. When he's not speaking, he's sexay. But as soon as he opens his mouth he looks like a complete weirdo. And he's not very good at telling Shepard "I have no new dialog choices yet".

[AngelicMachinery]

Siansonea II wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Abispa wrote...

@ Chun Hei -- Just that the brother needs some play. Thousands of gay men on this thread are all, "Oh Kaidan!" and they get a wave going, but what does Jacob get? Nothing, that's what. Oh, maybe one or two people have chimed in, but I don't know if they're legit or they just feel sorry for him like I do.

Poor Jacob was just blessed with an unfortunate resemblance to Kanye West and nobody wants to spend too much time thinking about that guy. We've just dashed Jacob from our memories.

I still think Jacob's lack of popularity is more about his facial animation than the design itself. When he's not speaking, he's sexay. But as soon as he opens his mouth he looks like a complete weirdo. And he's not very good at telling Shepard "I have no new dialog choices yet".

It's Leliana and Jacob's greatest flaws.