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[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...

Only the Ashley/FemShep romance was green (and even that is missing some f/f only dialogue). Kaidan/Male Shepard is missing a good portion of dialogue and the sex scene animation.

The only reason Ash/FemShep has sex animation is because of Liara/FemShep. And Kaidan/mShep isn't missing good portion of dialogues, the majority is there.

[Ryzaki]

Abispa wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I want someone sort of naive in politics so my shepard can b*tch about Udina.

Udina. Gay only LI in ME3.

MAKER NO!  

IsaacShep wrote...

The only reason Ash/FemShep has sex animation is because of Liara/FemShep. And Kaidan/mShep isn't missing good portion of dialogues, the majority is there.

Having played the romance...uh yes yes it is. Plenty of renegade/neutral dialogue isn't recorded. Plenty =/= majority. But it's more than enough for me to go "meh" on doing the hacked romance. And all the BW s/s romances have exclusive dialogue from the m/f romances that neither Ash nor Kaidan have. Nearly every conversation there are several choices that are not voiced. The first convo, the locker room scene and the Ilos scene have fully recorded dialogue (I'm pretty sure at least). Other that though. 

And regardless of because Liara/FemShep or not. The animation is still there. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 juillet 2011 - 12:42 .

[Abispa]

Finis Valorum wrote...

The unfortunate truth however in the case of Me3 I think the producers were only reluctantly willing to finance one m/m option in the first place because financing a second slightly rewritten and rerecorded romance would take away funding from AWESOME OMNIBLADES and MARVELLOUS MELEE ACTION not to mention executive bonuses.

As much as I support giving the player as many options to hump as many voluntary partners as possible, the PRIORITY of the series should remain on solving the galaxy's problems with lethal force and explosions. That is the where Mass Effect should JUSTIFIABLY be judged as a success or failure.

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...

Having played the romance...uh yes yes it is. Plenty of renegade/neutral dialogue isn't recorded.

But overall most is recorded.

Ryzaki wrote...And all the BW s/s romances have exclusive dialogue from the m/f romances that neither Ash nor Kaidan have.

Don't understand this sentence.

[MACharlie1]

Ryzaki wrote...

Having played the romance...uh yes yes it is. Plenty of renegade/neutral dialogue isn't recorded. And all the BW s/s romances have exclusive dialogue from the m/f romances that neither Ash nor Kaidan have. Nearly every conversation there are several choices that are not voiced. 

I presume you have a save to test? If so, I'm not sure if someone has tested a theory of mine regarding animations: the game thinks male Shepard is female and that's why it's putting a female body in the animation. What if the game is switched to male right after the locker scene since you had to switch the game to think Shep was female in order to get the dialog options in the first place. 

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...

But overall most is recorded.

And I never said otherwise. There are however plenty of lines that *aren't* recorded. Plenty to me to break immersion (which is of course a YMMV). ...That said that kind of broke the second he called my dude Shep Ma'am. 

Don't understand this sentence.

Basically Kaidan nor Ashley have dialogue exclusive to a same gendered Shepard. That already means neither romance is fully complete. No BW game has the s/s romances and the m/f romances exactly the same. Most people do not romance a female and male in the same way. It might not be widely different but there will be differences. (I would personally prefer if there wasn't massive differences just because of gender). 

 

MACharlie1 wrote...
I presume you have a save to test? If so, I'm not sure if someone has tested a theory of mine regarding animations: the game thinks male Shepard is female and that's why it's putting a female body in the animation. What if the game is switched to male right after the locker scene since you had to switch the game to think Shep was female in order to get the dialog options in the first place.

I'm pretty sure someone would've tried that by now and announced success if it was possible. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 juillet 2011 - 12:51 .

[Unpleasant Implications]

Abispa wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I want someone sort of naive in politics so my shepard can b*tch about Udina.

Udina. Gay only LI in ME3.

Good god man, there are innocent people here!! Don't hurt them with this mental image!! If it weren't for that one SB video of him looking at that Asari dancer I'd be worried about this coming true.

[bleetman]

Abispa wrote...

Udina. Gay only LI in ME3.

Somehow, this made me think of this.

I should probably disappear before this particular stroll down insanity lane goes any further, anyway.

Modifié par bleetman, 16 juillet 2011 - 12:49 .

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...
Basically Kaidan nor Ashley have dialogue exclusive to a same gendered Shepard. That already means neither romance is fully complete. No BW game has the s/s romances and the m/f romances exactly the same. Most people do not romance a female and male in the same way. It might not be widely different but there will be differences.

And that;s one of the things they've mentioned. That copy+pasted dialogues from straight (opposite-sex) romances didn't work well in same-sex context since as you said and everyone knows, males and females will romance at least a lil' bit differently with each other. They didn't want to half ass it, but at the same time to rewrite & rerecord the s/s romances so they dropped them.

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...
And that;s one of the things they've mentioned. That copy+pasted dialogues from straight (opposite-sex) romances didn't work well in same-sex context since as you said and everyone knows, males and females will romance at least a lil' bit differently with each other. They didn't want to half ass it, but at the same time to rewrite & rerecord the s/s romances so they dropped them.

My fav s/s romance is easily Fenris.  It's different between M!Hawke and F!Hawke but not ridculously so. 

[shepskisaac]

Don't play DA (or anything fantasy, hate it...) so I don't know :/

[Abispa]

IsaacShep wrote...

Don't play DA (or anything fantasy, hate it...) so I don't know :/

Um, you don't think ME is fantasy...?

*Backs away slowly.*

[shepskisaac]

Abispa wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Don't play DA (or anything fantasy, hate it...) so I don't know :/

Um, you don't think ME is fantasy...?

*Backs away slowly.*

No, I just hate dragons/medieval/witches/magic settings. Personal preference. Love sci-fi.

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...

Don't play DA (or anything fantasy, hate it...) so I don't know :/

Your loss. *plays in fantasy worlds happily* 

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Don't play DA (or anything fantasy, hate it...) so I don't know :/

Your loss. *plays in fantasy worlds happily* 

I know, esp. since well, the majority of RPGs (genre I love) are set in fantasy :/ Can't help it though...

[lazuli]

Finis Valorum wrote...

The unfortunate truth however in the case of Me3 I think the producers were only reluctantly willing to finance one m/m option in the first place because financing a second slightly rewritten and rerecorded romance would take away funding from AWESOME OMNIBLADES and MARVELLOUS MELEE ACTION not to mention executive bonuses.

Wow.  You are hopelessly jaded.  I hope you're wrong, though, and that ME3 meets your expectations.  Of all the human males possible for SS LI status, Kaidan would be my last pick.  I understand that I'm in the minority.

[Comsky159]

Abispa wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Don't play DA (or anything fantasy, hate it...) so I don't know :/

Um, you don't think ME is fantasy...?

*Backs away slowly.*

Fantasy and sci-fi are two completely different genres with completely different aesthetics.
I love sci-fi (particularly Asimov and Clarke) and generally dislike fantasy. I'd argue that in sci-fi there is room for narrative flexibility whereas fantasy plots are invariably predictable and unoriginal. I'm not a big supporter of hybrids like "star wars" either. I like a story presenting and justifying an extension of the universe we live in, rather than simply conjuring a indeterminate magical land. A lot more interesting imo.

[shepskisaac]

^ Still, having Star Wars be set in imaginary galaxy allowed for even greater flexibility. It is a problem sometimes for sci-fi being restricted by human history while with Star Wars, we got the amazing Old Republic era that I absolutely love

[Ryzaki]

I love fantasy a lot more than sci-fi. Probably because with sci-fi I expect a certain degree of realism that goes out the window in fantasy. Sci-fi also tends to bore the hell out of me. I play ME lke a fantasy game  now especially after Mecha Chtulu and Project Lazarus it's sci-fi but I treat it like fantasy. Should I? Don't know, don't care. It ticks enough of my fantasy boxes for me to consider it such. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 juillet 2011 - 01:29 .

[Finis Valorum]

Abispa wrote...

As much as I support giving the player as many options to hump as many voluntary partners as possible, the PRIORITY of the series should remain on solving the galaxy's problems with lethal force and explosions. That is the where Mass Effect should JUSTIFIABLY be judged as a success or failure.

And yet they keep recording and then scrapping the content in successive games if you're not planning to use it it would simpler not to record or design it and thus not devote any costly man hours to it whatsoever. According to Kaidans VA he recorded s/s dialogue again (and this time obviously written as s/s dialogue) yet I am 95% sure we're  only getting one m/m option and since most new MShep players have Kaidan die by default it'll most likely be Vega.
 
At the same time I'm also hoping for more political maneouvering and dialogue since it's also still supposed to be an RPG an action RPG but an RPG nonetheless. Otherwise they might just as well have structered it like a real shooter with a minimal amount of personal choice where, for example, Shepard is always totally renegade, romances Ashley in ME1 then dumps her for Miranda in ME2, with all of the background story playing itself out in between mission cutscenes a la Red Alert with no or minimal player input.

[shepskisaac]

Finis Valorum wrote...
since most new MShep players have Kaidan die by default

No, there'll be a comic of some sort to make all the decision installed by default in all ME3s. Every gay guy will be able to save Kaidan and romance him.

[Jimmy Fury]

Finis Valorum wrote...

Abispa wrote...

As much as I support giving the player as many options to hump as many voluntary partners as possible, the PRIORITY of the series should remain on solving the galaxy's problems with lethal force and explosions. That is the where Mass Effect should JUSTIFIABLY be judged as a success or failure.

And yet they keep recording and then scrapping the content in successive games if you're not planning to use it it would simpler not to record or design it and thus not devote any costly man hours to it whatsoever. According to Kaidans VA he recorded s/s dialogue again (and this time obviously written as s/s dialogue) yet I am 95% sure we're  only getting one m/m option and since most new MShep players have Kaidan die by default it'll most likely be Vega.

Perhaps I'm missing something. I don't understand how you can be so certain Vega is going to be the only LI when you know full well Sparge said he's pretty sure Kaidan will be a s/s romance?
I'm not confused about how you can think it's possible but 95% sure? really? No confirmation, no anecdotal evidence, not even any substantial rumors (well one but it directly contradicts your theory...) that back it and you're still that sure you're right?
I have to be missing something.

[Jademoon121]

Finis Valorum wrote...

Abispa wrote...

As much as I support giving the player as many options to hump as many voluntary partners as possible, the PRIORITY of the series should remain on solving the galaxy's problems with lethal force and explosions. That is the where Mass Effect should JUSTIFIABLY be judged as a success or failure.

And yet they keep recording and then scrapping the content in successive games if you're not planning to use it it would simpler not to record or design it and thus not devote any costly man hours to it whatsoever. According to Kaidans VA he recorded s/s dialogue again (and this time obviously written as s/s dialogue) yet I am 95% sure we're  only getting one m/m option and since most new MShep players have Kaidan die by default it'll most likely be Vega.
 
At the same time I'm also hoping for more political maneouvering and dialogue since it's also still supposed to be an RPG an action RPG but an RPG nonetheless. Otherwise they might just as well have structered it like a real shooter with a minimal amount of personal choice where, for example, Shepard is always totally renegade, romances Ashley in ME1 then dumps her for Miranda in ME2, with all of the background story playing itself out in between mission cutscenes a la Red Alert with no or minimal player input.

If Kaidan's the M/M Li, the only M/M LI, and you leave him on Virmire like I did, I'm outta luck. It makes more logical sense for Vega to be the LI even though he won't have the same history; but like anyother memorable characters, it all comes down to the writing. Bioware isn't going to write off something so many of their fans want.

[Jademoon121]

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Perhaps I'm missing something. I don't understand how you can be so certain Vega is going to be the only LI when you know full well Sparge said he's pretty sure Kaidan will be a s/s romance?
I'm not confused about how you can think it's possible but 95% sure? really? No confirmation, no anecdotal evidence, not even any substantial rumors (well one but it directly contradicts your theory...) that back it and you're still that sure you're right?
I have to be missing something.

I left Kaidan dead on Virmire. If he's going to be the M/M LI, alot of people who made that decision aren't going to be happy if they've been clamouring for some M/M action in the last two games. I could be wrong though. Kaidan has a much larger fanbase.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 16 juillet 2011 - 01:43 .

[shepskisaac]

Jademoon121 wrote...

If Kaidan's the M/M Li, the only M/M LI, and you leave him on Virmire like I did, I'm outta luck. It makes more logical sense for Vega to be the LI even though he won't have the same history; but like anyother memorable characters, it all comes down to the writing. Bioware isn't going to write off something so many of their fans want.

And if Vega's the only M/M LI, then gay guys won't have any romance that will be able to provide any trilogy experience every other option (straight/lesbian) got. That why ideally there would be at least 2, 1 new and 1 old.