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[ElitePinecone]

I have no idea where people are getting the idea that there'll only be one m/m LI.

- The squad won't work in the same way as ME/ME2. Characters will drop in an out all over the place depending on player choices. Bioware aren't necessarily restricted to 6-8 'permanent squadmates'.

- There will be more new characters. Bioware have confirmed this.

- Though I don't like to treat it as confirmation, Sbarge's voice acting line was reasonably interesting enough to make me think that Kaidan will be an s/s option also.

I, for one, don't think Vega will be the s/s option. It's more likely that another new male character will be a new m/m option, along with an old character (of some form).

No offense, but I find some of the cynicism and jadedness frankly alarming.

[Quething]

I'm a little torn on Kasumi. She'd be one of the harder sells for me; just personality-wise, she seems like the one person on either Normandy least likely not to just proposition Shep the first minute she can, if she's at all interested. Adding her as a LI for a Shep of any gender would feel a little artificial to me. Also, I'd be really afraid that they'd do to her what was done to Tali - who was, after all, a perky, friendly, loyal action girl in ME1. Apparently when you put that personality type through the "romance" filter at BioWare, you get "codependent insecure blushing virgin," and I'd hate for that to happen to Kasumi as much as I hated that it happened to Tali.

On the other hand, Kasumi's f**king AWESOME, I would hit that so fast, and she's certainly completely main!Shep's type. So torn!

[Ryzaki]

Jimmy Fury wrote...
I have no real preference for Drell they're just the most human looking of the male aliens. But then they were designed to be aesthetically pleasing. They really are the male Asari as far as fanservice goes. 
I mean Garrus is awesome and all but Turians on the whole are... ehhhh... and then the other options are Quarians, Krogans (no:blink:), Salarians, and Batarians? Quarians maaaaybe. Depends on what they look like under the mask. If they have ood faces then I think i will politely pass and run screaming from an airlock*. 


(*not because I'm afraid of Ood Sigma's face but because I don't want to die in the Tali Riots)

LOL manasari

LOL I want Garrus. DAT TURIAN.  Plus kinkmeme has corrupted me. And oh god the butthurt after Tali's face is revealed. *rubs hand together in glee* I can't wait. 

If Vega's not the s/s LI I'll have a sad. I already lost Alistair. Don't take Vega from me too! 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 juillet 2011 - 04:54 .

[Abispa]

I would like all the characters to be bi unless they've stated they're not. I know that Jack fans disagree with me about the "girls' club" comment.

However, I'd like each romance to fit the character. I'm not saying that a character can't surprise me, just that it has to make sense. For example, I'm not a Miranda fan because her conversion always seemed artificial to me.

Jack I have mixed feelings about since I like her but Bioware did go WAY over the top with her introduction and personal history. I'm not a fan of how the game seemed to make a punchline out of her history of being a murderer (and made sure she never confessed to killing "innocent" people). She also pissed me off 'cause wasn't as destructive in my squad as she was immediately out of the cell.

Kasumi I see as completely superficial and would be like, "Whoa! Okay, why not?" Then she'd give you that Isabela speech two seconds after you're done.

Kaidan seems to already have the groundwork laid out for an epic unrequited love for male Shepard.

Ashley strikes me as possibly being hetero-flexible more than truly bisexual, but that's a nuance that I doubt Bioware would explore. Likely if she's bisexual she'll be available for commitment, though I do worry about it seeming artificial as Miranda's did for me.

I honestly don't get a bi vibe from Miranda. I don't claim to be an expert, but I feel that any experience she had may have been some seduction in field work. Still, as with Jack, I'm not going to go all Recon Team evangelical about how MY interpretation is gospel.

I joke about the Krogans, and apparently they're off the table, but I would be happy if they were available NOT because I want my Shepards being made "squishy," but because then I'd KNOW that romance fans would be racing without restricter plates. Little NASCAR lingo there, thank you, ESPN news in the background.

[Abispa]

Ryzaki wrote...
LOL I want Garrus. DAT TURIAN.  Plus kinkmeme has corrupted me. And oh god the butthurt after Tali's face is revealed. *rubs hand together in glee* I can't wait.

I know that we'll never see certain body parts, but I'd like to see a scene where Shepard see what looks like a claw hammer on, oh, I don't know, Tali's dresser and says, "Hey, what do you need this weird looking claw hammer for?"

S/he picks it up and it starts vibrating.

And Tali says, "Um... uh... ahem... that's a... Turian... back massager. I have... a... very sore back."

[Ryzaki]

Abispa wrote...
I know that we'll never see certain body parts, but I'd like to see a scene where Shepard see what looks like a claw hammer on, oh, I don't know, Tali's dresser and says, "Hey, what do you need this weird looking claw hammer for?"

S/he picks it up and it starts vibrating.

And Tali says, "Um... uh... ahem... that's a... Turian... back massager. I have... a... very sore back."

[Charons Regale]

Abispa wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
LOL I want Garrus. DAT TURIAN.  Plus kinkmeme has corrupted me. And oh god the butthurt after Tali's face is revealed. *rubs hand together in glee* I can't wait.

I know that we'll never see certain body parts, but I'd like to see a scene where Shepard see what looks like a claw hammer on, oh, I don't know, Tali's dresser and says, "Hey, what do you need this weird looking claw hammer for?"

S/he picks it up and it starts vibrating.

And Tali says, "Um... uh... ahem... that's a... Turian... back massager. I have... a... very sore back."

:lol::lol:

[Quething]

In keeping with the theme of this thread, I submit that said vibrating 'claw hammer' would be better located in Garrus' room.

[Chun Hei]

Lesbians like toys too.

Well... that is what I have heard anyway. :innocent:

[ArawnNox]

So, I'm checking my recent submissions on one of my art sites... and I see an image of Garrus and Manshep... that I can't repost here... and would require a sign up for anyone else to see.

How can I put this...

Garrus will have sore knees.

Just thought I'd share that.

[lazuli]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Finis Valorum wrote...
Maybe because I hope it's Kaidan but fear it's Vega, or maybe I just happen to like the banner.
Hope mostly exists to be dashed after all.

What a depressing philosophy...

I move we change Finis Valorum's name to "Francis Frownface."  Realism and pessimism are not the same thing, after all.

[Ryzaki]

Would be interesting if Vega was an N7.

[Quething]

Chun Hei wrote...

Lesbians like toys too.

Well... that is what I have heard anyway. :innocent:

Well, yes, but so do straight women. Toys suggestive of male turian gentalia are more telling in the hands of a male turian than a female quarian.

(Admittedly that's an artificial social construct as well, any number of straight men enjoy penetration etc without it making them any less straight, but I'm concerned here more with what an object communicates to the audience than what the actual truth of it might be, and the audience is working from that social context of "woman who likes toys = duh, man who likes toys = gaaaaaaay").

... now quick, imagine I made a completely hilarious crude joke somewhere in there.

Modifié par Quething, 16 juillet 2011 - 07:01 .

[ArawnNox]

Quething wrote...

*snip*

... now quick, imagine I made a completely hilarious crude joke somewhere in there.

hahaha, oh you. ^^

[ElitePinecone]

Ryzaki wrote...

Would be interesting if Vega was an N7.

He may well be, we haven't heard much about the program other than through some of the books, so it'd be interesting to see what he has to say about the Alliance's best military soldiers. Given the way Bioware have been splashing around membership of exclusive societies (Kaidan and Ashley are now Spectres, for example) I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Vega was an N7 soldier. 

Plus it'd give Vega and Shepard something to talk about other than explaining galactic politics to an audience of 15 year olds. 

[Quething]

ArawnNox wrote...

Quething wrote...

*snip*

... now quick, imagine I made a completely hilarious crude joke somewhere in there.

hahaha, oh you. ^^

[ElitePinecone]

The new Vega picture got me thinking: it looks more and more likely (in my view) that he's a walking jumble of, at least visually, every stereotype of the jarhead shooter protagonist. Neck tattoo, weird-hair-thingy, uber muscles and very military armour plus casual gear.

While it'd be interesting to say the least if he were bi, would Bioware really subvert convention that much? Everything we've seen of the character has stuck pretty much exactly to the tough-soldier archetype, and I don't see the marketing of "here's your CoD/Gears-esque macho shooter guy" being very open to "well, yeah, he's also into guys..."

[Finis Valorum]

ElitePinecone wrote...

- The squad won't work in the same way as ME/ME2. Characters will drop
in an out all over the place depending on player choices. Bioware
aren't necessarily restricted to 6-8 'permanent squadmates'.

- There will be more new characters. Bioware have confirmed this.


While it'd be interesting to say the least if he were bi, would Bioware really subvert convention that much? Everything we've seen of the character has stuck pretty much exactly to the tough-soldier archetype, and I don't see the marketing of "here's your CoD/Gears-esque macho shooter guy" being very open to "well, yeah, he's also into guys..."

Good call I hadn't thought about that, while I would prefer almost anything to Vega it would be sad if the only gay option joins you for just one lousy mission with the option for a quick fling afterwards and then nothing for the rest of the game until you're suddenly and magically committed in an epilogue slide.

Yet male human squaddies are almost universally the least popular, we know, the writers know it and marketing probably knows it as well so I still think the likelyhood of them introducing more than new human male into your permanent squad is astronomically small, though he might still be there for just one mission with the option for a quick fling afterwards.

It would possibly be a great way for the writers to hit back at marketing in the department wars also never underestimate the potential of subverting convention especially when doing so might be perceived as being hip and edgy. They haven't generated any real controversy since the release of Me1 after all.

[ElitePinecone]

Finis Valorum wrote...
It would possibly be a great way for the writers to hit back at marketing in the department wars also never underestimate the potential of subverting convention especially when doing so might be perceived as being hip and edgy. They haven't generated any real controversy since the release of Me1 after all.

Yeah, I totally understand your point here...

But look at the marketing for ME3 that we've seen. 

A grand total of absolutely none of it has subverted any conventions whatsoever; if anything it's jumped. frothing, into every soundbite, gimmick and feature expected of ultra-masculine, hyper-exaggerated shooters aimed at adolescent males. 

****-rock music overlaying trailers? Check. Baffling melee weapons that defy logic, sense and the game universe? Check. Set-piece mounted battles with vehicles, straight out of Gears of War? Check. Ultra-military and nonsensical dialogue ("We fight or we die. That's the plan.")? Check. New squadmate that looks like he could fit right into any of the dozen identical military shooter/space marine archetypes of the last decade? Check. Marketing executives running around randomly yelling out words like "epic", "awesome", and "visceral"? Check. 

I'm not saying it's impossible that a thoughtful (or cynical?) decision could be made to have Vega as a bisexual character as a way of subverting stereotypes and doing something 'new', narrative-wise. 

But it doesn't seem likely. 

Besides, there will be some new characters we haven't heard the faintest bit about yet. My money's on them. 

Edit: Bioware's filters are overzealous to say the least. I meant 'word-that-also-means-rooster rock'.

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 16 juillet 2011 - 10:59 .

[Finis Valorum]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I'm not saying it's impossible that a thoughtful (or cynical?) decision could be made to have Vega as a bisexual character as a way of subverting stereotypes and doing something 'new', narrative-wise. 

But it doesn't seem likely. 

Besides, there will be some new characters we haven't heard the faintest bit about yet. My money's on them. 

If I were to to run EA's marketing for this game and part of my strategy was to generate enough controversy to have the talking heads at say Faux News do a significant part of advertising for me, I also wouldn't want to start generating said controversy until the holiday 2011 season is over, say mid to late januari at the very earliest, otherwise no one (in the mainstream) remembers it when the game is finally released.
Furthermore since AWESOME OMNIBLADES, MARVELLOUS MELEE ACTION and FURIOUS VEHICLE FIGHTING are all going to be in it anyway and aren't likely to generate any controversy or garner the least bit of special attention whatsoever it doesn't hurt to start there.

Also about the new characters we don't know anything about, do you really, honestly believe they're going to introduce another human male squaddie to fill one of the 6-8 permanent companion slots? Given the low popularity of human males among the fanbase I just don't see it happening unless like I said the gay option just joins you for one mission with a short fling immediately afterwards and doesn't return until the epilogue.
If they take the latter approach then m/m content in ME really will feel like just an afterthought.

[ElitePinecone]

Finis Valorum wrote...
do you really, honestly believe they're going to introduce another human male squaddie to fill one of the 6-8 permanent companion slots? 

Yes.

Garrus and Tali aren't permanent squad members; they can't be. Including them in the permanent squad would majorly imbalance the game for players who imported a game with them dead. What happens if players have both of them killed? Are they two squad members down for the entirety of the game? Do they have huge gaps in their tech/sniping ability as a squad? 

With only Vega, Liara and the VS confirmed as 'permanent', there's a tonne of space for new characters. 

The way the squad system works hasn't been explained clearly, there might not even be any *permanent* squad mates, from what devs are hinting. It may well be that the player picks and chooses who they bring along for significant portions of the game. 

More to the point, Hudson has confirmed multiple new characters for romance interests. Not just one for males and one for females. 

[Finis Valorum]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Finis Valorum wrote...
do you really, honestly believe they're going to introduce another human male squaddie to fill one of the 6-8 permanent companion slots? 

Yes.

Garrus and Tali aren't permanent squad members; they can't be. Including them in the permanent squad would majorly imbalance the game for players who imported a game with them dead. What happens if players have both of them killed? Are they two squad members down for the entirety of the game? Do they have huge gaps in their tech/sniping ability as a squad? 

With only Vega, Liara and the VS confirmed as 'permanent', there's a tonne of space for new characters. 

More to the point, Hudson has confirmed multiple new characters for romance interests. Not just one for males and one for females. 

Garrus and Tali are so immensely popular it's virtually certain they will be, besides you yourself hinted that every copy of Mass Effect 3 will get a free "previously on Mass Effect" interactive comic so not saving Garrus or Tali and not having them replaced in the permanent squad might just be advertised as a consequence that adds replay value to the game like not being able to import saves where Shepard died in Me2. Any gaps in tech or sniping ability might also be filled by new non human characters like a Female turian and male Batarian for example besides actual classes and abilities ultimately mattered very little in Me2. while I love Garrus he was just about useless as a sniper on the harder difficulties for me because of his tendency to run around outside cover.

Yes but multiple new romance interests does not mean multiple new s/s romance interests or multiple new m/m romance interests it's far more likely the vast majority of those multiple new romance interests are going to be strictly het.

I still think it's far more likely our new permanent squad might end up looking something like this, Liara, VS, Vega, new leading human female, Garrus, Tali, new alien 1, new alien 2.  Presto all permanent squad slots filled and if the new aliens and leading female are diverse enough in their builds and abilities no one needs to end up lacking any neccessary abilities in their squad, true they might have just one choice for those abilities, like only new leading female for sniping if you choose to let Garrus die and don't play a sniping focused Shepard yourself but that's just a matter of choice. 

[The Tookah]

I hope they don't add too many new permanent squad members. I like to know my squaddies.and too many squaddies, ala ME2, means there are shallow conversation opportunities.

[shepskisaac]

The Tookah wrote...

I hope they don't add too many new permanent squad members. I like to know my squaddies.and too many squaddies, ala ME2, means there are shallow conversation opportunities.

They've already said they want smaller team to focus more the characters

[bleetman]

I had a hard time personally justifying why I only took two of them with me in ME2, myself. Or rather, drumming up a task for each of them that was suitably important to excuse their lack of shooty-bang-pew activities. Mordin is researching, Jacob's maintaining our equipment, Tali's doing engineering stuff. Grunt's... uhm. He's, uh. Hrmm.

Oh, sod it. They're all just wasting time playing Fleet and Flotilla, I bet. I'm only surprised they got off their arses for the suicide mission.

I still don't really retain much sympathy for people importing playthroughs with dead Garrus/Tali in them. Perhaps sympathy isn't the right word, but, well. They died in your playthroughs. It's sort of to be expected that you miss out on content featuring them as a result. "They might be dead for some people" is the same kind of reasoning that would justify the Virmire Survivors being treated as the same person.

Modifié par bleetman, 16 juillet 2011 - 02:38 .