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[ElitePinecone]

bleetman wrote...

I had a hard time personally justifying why I only took two of them with me in ME2, myself. Or rather, drumming up a task for each of them that was suitably important to excuse their lack of shooty-bang-pew activities. Mordin is researching, Jacob's maintaining our equipment, Tali's doing engineering stuff. Grunt's... uhm. He's, uh. Hrmm.

Oh, sod it. They're all just wasting time playing Fleet and Flotilla, I bet. I'm only surprised they got off their arses for the suicide mission.

I still don't really retain much sympathy for people importing playthroughs with dead Garrus/Tali in them. Perhaps sympathy isn't the right word, but, well. They died in your playthroughs. It's sort of to be expected that you miss out on content featuring them as a result. "They might be dead for some reason" is the same kind of reasoning that would justify the Virmire Survivors being treated as the same person.

Yeah, this is where DA2 had a little bit of an advantage, I think. At least the characters had their own business to do *outside* of the main quest; it made sense that Aveline was busy as the captain of the guard, or that Anders would treat patients. 

Some of the more... peripheral characters from ME2, I'm thinking of Zaeed, Kasumi, Thane, Grunt, Jack, Samara (actually that's quite a lot!) existed for no other reason than to provide a nice loyalty or recruitment mission, plus an extra gun or biotic in the final fight. 

I'm hoping we see them doing 'real world' stuff outside the confines of the Normandy in ME3, and that any new squadmates we pick up have a purpose beyond being an interesting person to talk to. 

[Chun Hei]

ArawnNox wrote...

So, I'm checking my recent submissions on one of my art sites... and I see an image of Garrus and Manshep... that I can't repost here... and would require a sign up for anyone else to see.

How can I put this...

Garrus will have sore knees.

Just thought I'd share that.

How?

[Chun Hei]

Quething wrote...

(Admittedly that's an artificial social construct as well, any number of straight men enjoy penetration etc without it making them any less straight, but I'm concerned here more with what an object communicates to the audience than what the actual truth of it might be, and the audience is working from that social context of "woman who likes toys = duh, man who likes toys = gaaaaaaay").

... now quick, imagine I made a completely hilarious crude joke somewhere in there.

1) Especially if I train him.

2) Do not worry. I did.

[Chun Hei]

ElitePinecone wrote...

The new Vega picture got me thinking: it looks more and more likely (in my view) that he's a walking jumble of, at least visually, every stereotype of the jarhead shooter protagonist. Neck tattoo, weird-hair-thingy, uber muscles and very military armour plus casual gear.

While it'd be interesting to say the least if he were bi, would Bioware really subvert convention that much? Everything we've seen of the character has stuck pretty much exactly to the tough-soldier archetype, and I don't see the marketing of "here's your CoD/Gears-esque macho shooter guy" being very open to "well, yeah, he's also into guys..."

[Chun Hei]

I wonder if characters WILL HAVE to die in ME3. Virmire was interesting for the time but most fans wanted it handled better and not seem so forced. I thought the suicide mission was way too easy to beat without having anyone die. Everyone lived in the games where I was not metagaming but in my "perfect" save Tali or Mordin kept getting killed. I am not sure if I missed something.

I want and kind of do not like the idea of "random" death like in a real war. There are things you can do to help their chances but there is always at least a small chance people will die. Maybe the LI will be the most protected but there is a chance s/he could die too.

I would be mad if it were Garrus or Kaidan but I would be curious to see how Bioware could make up a dramatic death or funeral scene for that death. Or maybe the LI at Shepard's memorial.

[lazuli]

Chun Hei wrote...
I want and kind of do not like the idea of "random" death like in a real war. There are things you can do to help their chances but there is always at least a small chance people will die. Maybe the LI will be the most protected but there is a chance s/he could die too.

We're getting off topic, but I don't approve of leaving that sort of thing to chance.  If it's based on random effects that the player cannot entirely control, there's nothing stopping players from tediously reloading and playing through the same segments time after time to get the perfect result, or at least the result that they desire most.

[Jimmy Fury]

IsaacShep wrote...

The Tookah wrote...

I hope they don't add too many new permanent squad members. I like to know my squaddies.and too many squaddies, ala ME2, means there are shallow conversation opportunities.

They've already said they want smaller team to focus more the characters

I think 8 would be a nice number... 4 old and 4 new.
What I'd quite like is for it to be VS, Liara, Survivor 1, Surviror 2, Newly Recruitable, Newly Recruitable, Vega, Brand New Female. 
I'd really like it if those of us who went full No One Left Behind got to pick which 2 survivors stayed on. Including Wrex. I'd love to have Wrex back.
Then two characters who already existed but weren't squaddies before. Aria and Ferron for example. And then two entirely new characters. Which could maybe make the Vega hate moot because they could be the new LI's instead.

Maybe I'm alone in this but if all the ME2 squadmates are religated to cameos I'll feel a little cheated. How is it my fault other people sucked at being commander? Give them a 6 person squad and give the rest of us an 8 person squad as a reward for not getting everyone killed.  It's not like their games will be unplayable, 6 worked just fine in ME.

[Chun Hei]

lazuli wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...
I want and kind of do not like the idea of "random" death like in a real war. There are things you can do to help their chances but there is always at least a small chance people will die. Maybe the LI will be the most protected but there is a chance s/he could die too.

We're getting off topic, but I don't approve of leaving that sort of thing to chance.  If it's based on random effects that the player cannot entirely control, there's nothing stopping players from tediously reloading and playing through the same segments time after time to get the perfect result, or at least the result that they desire most.

That is my problem with it as well. But I think the "choices" we have to "save" everyone have been too easy to make. If you read the forum you will see that most party deaths happen BECAUSE the player did no like Tali and wanted her to die, or Jacob, or Miranda. That is not drama but maybe the lesser of two evils in RPGs.

I want to keep it on topic by saying this could apply to s/s male Shepard. Poor guy has to wait three games for snuggle-bunnies and the love of his life dies or he dies and the love is left behind. If that happened there should be an EPIC funeral scene.

[ElitePinecone]

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Maybe I'm alone in this but if all the ME2 squadmates are religated to cameos I'll feel a little cheated. How is it my fault other people sucked at being commander? Give them a 6 person squad and give the rest of us an 8 person squad as a reward for not getting everyone killed.  It's not like their games will be unplayable, 6 worked just fine in ME.

It's not your fault, per se, it's Bioware's fault for designing a game in which people could die and then creating a sequel for it. 

Importing squadmates would be a logistical nightmare; the number of combinations of surviving characters means basing a squad or even any really important decisions on these characters is virtually impossible. 

Besides, how do you pick which two characters out of the 12 ME2 squadmates play a larger (non-cameo) role in ME3, akin to squadmate status? They can all die, different probabilities aside. 

It makes a lot more sense to have ME2 characters turn up as significant cameos (as in, joining Shepard for a whole mission or series of missions) rather than trying to shoehorn them into a squad, with all the questions of balancing and fairness that poses. 

[Finis Valorum]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Maybe I'm alone in this but if all the ME2 squadmates are religated to cameos I'll feel a little cheated. How is it my fault other people sucked at being commander? Give them a 6 person squad and give the rest of us an 8 person squad as a reward for not getting everyone killed.  It's not like their games will be unplayable, 6 worked just fine in ME.

It's likely you won't be alone if you count Tali and Garrus as being Me2 squaddies since their universal popularity makes them the most likely "suicide mission" survivors to be included as permanent squad mates in ME3 of those other six we most likely already know four, Liara, Kaidan or Ashley, Vega and the new human female lead. My guess is on at least one of the other two being our Batarian ally and the other will also most likely be some sort of alien thus leaving Vega as the only guaranteed male human squad mate and therefore the most likely m/m option.

[King Gigglez]

Personally, I see Garrus and Tali coming back as full squads, as long as they survived. I know on my save that I will be importing, I purposely killed all the humans... except for Kasumi. I want to see a male alien be romancable. Females have Liara (In ME1), so why can't males get an alien as well >v<

[AngelicMachinery]

King Gigglez wrote...

Personally, I see Garrus and Tali coming back as full squads, as long as they survived. I know on my save that I will be importing, I purposely killed all the humans... except for Kasumi. I want to see a male alien be romancable. Females have Liara (In ME1), so why can't males get an alien as well >v<

Because for the most part humans would be the best choice for S/S,  if it's limited to one person.  Not everyone is into Xenophelia.

[lazuli]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

King Gigglez wrote...

Personally, I see Garrus and Tali coming back as full squads, as long as they survived. I know on my save that I will be importing, I purposely killed all the humans... except for Kasumi. I want to see a male alien be romancable. Females have Liara (In ME1), so why can't males get an alien as well >v<

Because for the most part humans would be the best choice for S/S,  if it's limited to one person.  Not everyone is into Xenophelia.

Yeah.  If Garrus is the only male S/S option I would be seriously underwhelmed.

[Comsky159]

lazuli wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

King Gigglez wrote...

Personally, I see Garrus and Tali coming back as full squads, as long as they survived. I know on my save that I will be importing, I purposely killed all the humans... except for Kasumi. I want to see a male alien be romancable. Females have Liara (In ME1), so why can't males get an alien as well >v<

Because for the most part humans would be the best choice for S/S,  if it's limited to one person.  Not everyone is into Xenophelia.

Yeah.  If Garrus is the only male S/S option I would be seriously underwhelmed.

The male aliens were actually obvious variant species, whereas the female aliens seemed to bear predominantly human characteristics and fit a relatable human paradigm. When I romanced females I barely considered that it was xenophilia, while their male counterparts made me perpetually conscious of the fact.

[Finis Valorum]

While Garrus wouldn't be my first choice (mainly because I still feel like I'm his mentor or perhaps older brother) he would at least be better than Vega. If of those multiple (new) romance options we do get two m/m options you can be almost certain the second will be some sort of alien, though considering his popularity I don't think It'll be Garrus.
Besides if marketing still goes with the whole Asari aren't technically female thing the girls will only have 1.5 options in the franchise. Due to Kelly that'll still be .5 more than m/m will get with Vega though.

[ElitePinecone]

Finis Valorum wrote...

While Garrus wouldn't be my first choice (mainly because I still feel like I'm his mentor or perhaps older brother) he would at least be better than Vega. If of those multiple (new) romance options we do get two m/m options you can be almost certain the second will be some sort of alien, though considering his popularity I don't think It'll be Garrus.
Besides if marketing still goes with the whole Asari aren't technically female thing the girls will only have 1.5 options in the franchise. Due to Kelly that'll still be .5 more than m/m will get with Vega though.

There'll quite possibly be two m/m and f/f romances in ME3, especially considering Bioware steadfastly refuses to concede that Shepard and Liara is a lesbian romance. 

As I said before, my best guess would be that a new male and female squadmate, plus a returning one, will be available for s/s. If not, then two new squadmates would seem likely. 

I highly doubt it would be restricted to one option.

[lazuli]

Finis Valorum wrote...

While Garrus wouldn't be my first choice (mainly because I still feel like I'm his mentor or perhaps older brother) he would at least be better than Vega. If of those multiple (new) romance options we do get two m/m options you can be almost certain the second will be some sort of alien, though considering his popularity I don't think It'll be Garrus.
Besides if marketing still goes with the whole Asari aren't technically female thing the girls will only have 1.5 options in the franchise. Due to Kelly that'll still be .5 more than m/m will get with Vega though.

So you'd take the claw hammer over the man-hulk?  The breadth and depth of human diversity never ceases to amaze me.

No, I don't think Garrus would be better than Vega.  At least with Vega you can't get people raging over retcons.  I know that most of the regulars in this thread wouldn't necessarily view Garrus taking an interest in male Shepard as a retcon, but that is certainly not a universally held view.

[Aoba]

Ryzaki wrote...

Would be interesting if Vega was an N7.

[delurk]

Speaking of N7, I'm not sure if this means anything, but I took a few screenshots during GameTrailer.com's Pop-Up version of the ME3 debut trailer (I've gone so far back in time I'd swear it's the VGA's all over again).

They noted a similarity between Big Ben's and Shepard's N7 shin guards: they share the same striped pattern. Does this mean BB is/was an N7er? Could Vega be one as well? Or is the striped pattern not unique to just N7 gear? No idea, but thought it was interesting enough to post.

Anyway, to the pics.

Here's pic 1:



Pic 2:



It'd be awesome if Vega was a fellow N7er. He and my manShep Malcolm would already have something in common, aside from both being seasoned soldiers. I wonder if they'll be able to trade snipin' secrets? Hmm... 

Okay, better get back to workin' on some ME1 runs to be ready for import to ME2, then ME3. I'm gonna continue to keep my fingers crossed and hope Joker, Vega, and Kaidan are available for cuddlin' come March.

[/delurk]

[Jimmy Fury]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Maybe I'm alone in this but if all the ME2 squadmates are religated to cameos I'll feel a little cheated. How is it my fault other people sucked at being commander? Give them a 6 person squad and give the rest of us an 8 person squad as a reward for not getting everyone killed.  It's not like their games will be unplayable, 6 worked just fine in ME.

It's not your fault, per se, it's Bioware's fault for designing a game in which people could die and then creating a sequel for it. 

Importing squadmates would be a logistical nightmare; the number of combinations of surviving characters means basing a squad or even any really important decisions on these characters is virtually impossible. 

Besides, how do you pick which two characters out of the 12 ME2 squadmates play a larger (non-cameo) role in ME3, akin to squadmate status? They can all die, different probabilities aside. 

It makes a lot more sense to have ME2 characters turn up as significant cameos (as in, joining Shepard for a whole mission or series of missions) rather than trying to shoehorn them into a squad, with all the questions of balancing and fairness that poses.

I said it was what I'd like, not what I expect. I'm well aware of the problems it presents but i think it would be nice if my team didn't suck just because other people couldn't be bothered to break their thumbs mining for stupid elements in order to upgrade their ship. <_<
My thumbs have earned Legion as a perma-squaddie darnit.

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Finis Valorum wrote...
their universal popularity makes them

I'd be careful about using the forums as indicators of "universal" anything. Remember the heartbreak and outrage from fem!Shep fans when the meta data proved them a tiny minority. Forum popularity doesn't always mean universal popularity.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 16 juillet 2011 - 05:16 .

[ElitePinecone]

ACWolfe wrote...
It'd be awesome if Vega was a fellow N7er.

Yeah, I'd love to have someone in the Alliance who could relate to Shepard's service history. And then cuddle a bit.

Also, James Vega bears a striking resemblence to this character first mentioned in the marketing for Mass Effect.

There are probably (literally) a billion people called James in the galaxy, but it may be something to keep in mind. Bioware had access to all the narrative information and reviewed it all before writing the plot and characters for ME3; it's not inconceivable that they're the same person. The (very limited) information in the letter matches up almost perfectly with what we've been told about Vega.

[Finis Valorum]

lazuli wrote...


So you'd take the claw hammer over the man-hulk?  The breadth and depth of human diversity never ceases to amaze me.

No, I don't think Garrus would be better than Vega.  At least with Vega you can't get people raging over retcons.  I know that most of the regulars in this thread wouldn't necessarily view Garrus taking an interest in male Shepard as a retcon, but that is certainly not a universally held view.

Yes, especially if Garrus leadership abilities would get a few moments to really shine so he doesn't feel so much like a student anymore. Aside from the whole student thing Garrus looks cute (but then again most Bioware aliens do) and has damned sexy voice.

I did say that getting Garrus as the alien m/m Li would be highly unlikely due to precisely those reasons you mention most likely the alien m/m Li if there is an alien m/m Li would be one of the new permanent squaddies.
My vain and foolish hopes for the male alien Li are actually Mordin deciding he does want to try human or being able to take Wrex up on that breeding request.

Furthermore I still regard the possibility of enough zots being allocated to realise more than one m/m option as slim at best. I also think there's only going to be one real human f/f Li, though females  straight males might always get another lipstick lesbian bisexual alien or new Kelly just because f/f is hawt.
However while a cute alien m/m Li would at least prevent the celibate hero thing I'm still not going to be happy about Vega being the only bisexual male human we encounter in the whole franchise.

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 16 juillet 2011 - 05:17 .

[ElitePinecone]

Finis Valorum wrote...
I'm still not going to be happy about Vega being the only bisexual male human we encounter in the whole franchise.

I think you'll be surprised, honestly.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm far more positive for both more s/s options and for Vega to remain the happy gun totin', fauxhawk-wearing, steroid-popping, Gears-emulating space marine archetyoe that he appears to be. Bisexual isn't something I'd add to that list, but I could be wrong. 

It's very early to be ruling anything or anyone in or out. 

[Cuddlezarro]

lazuli wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

King Gigglez wrote...

Personally, I see Garrus and Tali coming back as full squads, as long as they survived. I know on my save that I will be importing, I purposely killed all the humans... except for Kasumi. I want to see a male alien be romancable. Females have Liara (In ME1), so why can't males get an alien as well >v<

Because for the most part humans would be the best choice for S/S,  if it's limited to one person.  Not everyone is into Xenophelia.

Yeah.  If Garrus is the only male S/S option I would be seriously underwhelmed.

ditto

I like Garrus and think he has a sexy as hell voice but...hes a alien dinosaur...which is...no just no give me a human any day hell id even have kaidan as the S/S romance and I dont even like him =/

[lazuli]

Finis Valorum wrote...

Yes, especially if Garrus leadership abilities would get a few moments to really shine so he doesn't feel so much like a student anymore. Aside from the whole student thing Garrus looks cute (but then again most Bioware aliens do) and has damned sexy voice.

I don't find Garrus physically attractive or "cute," but I will agree that he has a great voice.

[PrinceLionheart]

lazuli wrote...

Finis Valorum wrote...

Yes, especially if Garrus leadership abilities would get a few moments to really shine so he doesn't feel so much like a student anymore. Aside from the whole student thing Garrus looks cute (but then again most Bioware aliens do) and has damned sexy voice.

I don't find Garrus physically attractive or "cute," but I will agree that he has a great voice.

It's what's on the inside that counts lazuli.

I guess Garrus could make sense as a LI for ManShep, he just comes off too much like a bro. I'm still think it'll be either Thane or Kaidan if it's not anyone new.